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19 Jun Mississippi Kite breeding question. [Donna Haynes ] 19 Jun Re: Bird Seed and weevils [Jeffrey Short ] 19 Jun FW: Bird feather Identification piece [Jeffrey Short ] 19 Jun Re: Bird Seed and weevils [Ricky Corder ] 19 Jun Bird Seed and weevils [Tom Harden ] 18 Jun Red Slough Bird Survey - June 18 [David Arbour ] 18 Jun Buffalo River outhouses again open to birders [Karen Konarski-Hart ] 18 Jun Re: Sara Caulk [Sara Caulk ] 17 Jun Re: Colorado vacation. [Jacque Brown ] 17 Jun Colorado vacation. [Jacque Brown ] 17 Jun Re: Jim and Karen Rowe [Jim and Karen Rowe ] 17 Jun Jim and Karen Rowe [Jim and Karen Rowe ] 17 Jun Studying Lesser Prairie Chicken survival in Kansas [Joan Reynolds ] 17 Jun White-winged Dove update [Terry & Judy Butler ] 17 Jun Readings [Luann Glenn ] 17 Jun Re: Glenda Cooper [Glenda Cooper ] 17 Jun Carol Joan Patterson [Carol Joan Patterson ] 16 Jun Sightings/Hearings Monroe Co. [Tim Tyler ] 16 Jun Re: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area ["George R. Hoelzeman" ] 16 Jun Breeding Bird Routes - 2013 thoughts ["Anderson, Leif E -FS" ] 16 Jun Re: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area [Bill Shepherd ] 16 Jun Re: Places to reliably get Whip-poor-will? [Dan Scheiman ] 16 Jun Sightings/hearings at home [Gail Miller ] 16 Jun Re: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area [Herschel Raney ] 16 Jun Re: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area [Judy & Don ] 15 Jun Re: Places to reliably get Whip-poor-will? ["George R. Hoelzeman" ] 15 Jun Re: Places to reliably get Whip-poor-will? [Jack and Pam ] 15 Jun Places to reliably get Whip-poor-will? [Jim Dixon ] 15 Jun Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area [Dan Scheiman ] 15 Jun spring bird count data request ["Anderson, Leif E -FS" ] 15 Jun Re: Doves [Michael Verser ] 15 Jun Re: Doves [akcmueller ] 15 Jun Re: Sighting, and hearing .... Barred Owl & Great Horned Owl & Cooper's Hawk update [Gail Miller ] 14 Jun Sighting, and hearing .... Great Horned Owl & Cooper's Hawk update [Gail Miller ] 15 Jun CLEOPATRA on the KINGS ["Joseph C. Neal" ] 14 Jun Re: Barn Swallows nesting in storm drains at XNA [Jeffrey Short ] 14 Jun New and Improved observation. [Larry Jernigan ] 14 Jun Re: Doves [] 14 Jun Doves [Terry & Judy Butler ] 14 Jun Re: Barn Swallows nesting in storm drains at XNA [] 14 Jun Barn Swallows nesting in storm drains at XNA ["Kimberly G. Smith" ] 14 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Bill Shepherd ] 14 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds ["hudsonre AT aristotle.net" ] 14 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [CK ] 14 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [David Quinn ] 14 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Kenny Nichols ] 14 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [swamp_fox ] 14 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [David Quinn ] 14 Jun Re: Dan's letter "Fallacious reasoning" [Judy & Don ] 14 Jun Re: Dan's letter "Fallacious reasoning" [Craig Provost ] 13 Jun Dan's letter "Fallacious reasoning" [Barry Haas ] 13 Jun Re: Politician eats bird caught by cat! [Jack and Pam ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Jeffrey Short ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds ["George R. Hoelzeman" ] 13 Jun Re: Cooper's Hawk nest update [] 14 Jun The list serve ["Jonathan C. Perry" ] 13 Jun Cooper's Hawk nest update [Gail Miller ] 13 Jun Great Blue and The ListServ [Sara Caulk ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Rick Farrar ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Elizabeth Shores ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Donna Haynes ] 13 Jun Re: baby bird photo [Janine Perlman ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Judy & Don ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Holly Childs ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [CK Franklin ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Joan Reynolds ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [DeLynn Mearn ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Bill Shepherd ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Jack and Pam ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Allan Mueller ] 13 Jun Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [Bill Shepherd ] 13 Jun Re: more on Mt Magazine June 21-22 [Don Simons ] 13 Jun Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds [swamp_fox ] 13 Jun Re: NONPARTISAN AND FOR BIRDS AND OBSCURE [swamp_fox ] 13 Jun Inca doves [Sara Cain-Bartlett ] 13 Jun more on Mt Magazine June 21-22 ["Joseph C. Neal" ] Subject: Mississippi Kite breeding question. From: Donna Haynes <birdiehaynes AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:21:48 -0700 I saw the local MIKI pair breeding on May 8.  My neighbors say them breeding a couple of days later.  I have read that the incubation is 30-32 days.  My question is what is the length of time between breeding and egg laying?  I have been checking the nest every couple of days and as of yesterday afternoon, there are still no signs of chicks.  They seem to still be sitting.  We are looking forward to seeing the chicks grow up this year.  Last year we didn't find the nest until the day before the single chick fledged.  I have read about MIKI dive-bombing people getting too close to their nests.  These birds don't seem phased by people.  They nested right next to the road.  People walk and drive right under them all day long.  In fact last year, I had walked Lincoln to the sitter right under the nest each day for over a month before we finally saw the nest, thanks to the chick calling at the right moment.  Donna Haynes West Pulaski Co. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android Subject: Re: Bird Seed and weevils From: Jeffrey Short <bashman AT EARTHLINK.NET> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:57:09 -0500 You can place pantry moth traps-available at big box hardware stores or farmer's supply stores-- around the area where you store your bird feed. I usually put my feed in a metal trashcan to keep the moths out. Sometimes nothing works since the eggs are inside the bags, but at least they won't get out into the house or garage once they hatch. The moths/larvae are good protein for the birds. Jeff Short From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List [mailto:ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Ricky Corder Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:53 AM To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Bird Seed and weevils That's probably the Indian meal moth. Here's some info to get you started: http://www.uaex.edu/Other_Areas/publications/PDF/FSA-7024.pdf Ricky On Jun 19, 2013 7:47 AM, "Tom Harden" wrote: I need advice on how to keep bugs (weevils, I think) out of my birdseed. It has gotten to where when I try to fill my feeders, the seed is stuck together with webs and small moths are flying out into my garage. Take Care, Tom Harden Subject: FW: Bird feather Identification piece From: Jeffrey Short <bashman AT EARTHLINK.NET> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:46:35 -0500 Carla Dove is breaking new ground on feather ids: Burmese python stomach contents. Also some nice discussion about birdstrikes: http://www.npr.org/2013/06/19/184827651/animal-csi-inside-the-smithsonians-f eather-forensics-lab . Virtual tour of the Smithsonian feather lab available at the end. Jeff Short Subject: Re: Bird Seed and weevils From: Ricky Corder <rfcorder AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:53:08 -0500 That's probably the Indian meal moth. Here's some info to get you started: http://www.uaex.edu/Other_Areas/publications/PDF/FSA-7024.pdf Ricky On Jun 19, 2013 7:47 AM, "Tom Harden" wrote: > I need advice on how to keep bugs (weevils, I think) out of my birdseed. > It has gotten to where when I try to fill my feeders, the seed is stuck > together with webs and small moths are flying out into my garage. > > > > *Take Care,* > *Tom Harden* > Subject: Bird Seed and weevils From: Tom Harden <ltcnukem AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:47:32 -0700 I need advice on how to keep bugs (weevils, I think) out of my birdseed.  It has gotten to where when I try to fill my feeders, the seed is stuck together with webs and small moths are flying out into my garage.   Take Care, Tom Harden Subject: Red Slough Bird Survey - June 18 From: David Arbour <arbour AT WINDSTREAM.NET> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:30:52 -0500 It was partly cloudy, warm, and humid on the bird survey today. Worked a bit of a different route today so missed some things and got lower numbers on others. Here is my list for today: Black-bellied Whistling-Duck - 5 Wood Duck - 18 Hooded Merganser - 7 Pied-billed Grebe - 2 Neotropic Cormorant - 6 Anhinga - 1 Least Bittern - 3 (2 sitting on nests) Great Blue Heron - 15 Great Egret - 31 Snowy Egret - 1 Little Blue Heron - 2 Cattle Egret - 6 Green Heron - 3 White Ibis - 121 Black Vulture - 1 Turkey Vulture - 18 Mississippi Kite - 3 Purple Gallinule - 1 Common Gallinule - 1 American Coot - 2 Mourning Dove - 15 Yellow-billed Cuckoo - 3 Ruby-throated Hummingbird - 2 Red-headed Woodpecker - 1 Red-bellied Woodpecker - 1 Downy Woodpecker - 2 Hairy Woodpecker - 1 Eastern Wood-Pewee - 1 Acadian Flycatcher - 1 Eastern Phoebe - 2 Great Crested Flycatcher - 1 Eastern Kingbird - 6 White-eyed Vireo - 12 Bell's Vireo - 4 Red-eyed Vireo - 1 American Crow - 16 Fish Crow - 3 Purple Martin - 4 Tree Swallow - 20 Cliff Swallow - 41 Barn Swallow - 53 Carolina Chickadee - 5 Tufted Titmouse - 3 Carolina Wren - 6 Blue-gray Gnatcatcher - 3 Eastern Bluebird - 3 Prairie Warbler - 2 Prothonotary Warbler - 7 Common Yellowthroat - 11 Yellow-breasted Chat - 10 Summer Tanager - 3 Northern Cardinal - 13 Blue Grosbeak - 1 Indigo Bunting - 13 Painted Bunting - 7 Dickcissel - 19 Red-winged Blackbird - 58 Common Grackle - 19 Brown-headed Cowbird - 9 Orchard Oriole - 6 Odonates: Elegant Spreadwing Fragile Forktail Citrine Forktail Lilypad Forktail Common Green Darner Cyrano Darner Swamp Darner Regal Darner Jade Clubtail Stillwater Clubtail Mocha Emerald Prince Baskettail Four-spotted Pennant Halloween Pennant Eastern Pondhawk Slaty Skimmer Great Blue Skimmer Widow Skimmer Common Whitetail Eastern Amberwing Blue Dasher Spot-winged Glider Carolina Saddlebags Black Saddlebags Good birding! David Arbour De Queen, AR Visit the Red Slough Photo Gallery: www.pbase.com/red_slough_wma Subject: Buffalo River outhouses again open to birders From: Karen Konarski-Hart <karen AT KONARSKICLINIC.COM> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:02:17 +0000 Neill just read me the article on 8B of AR DemGaz. Ya asks, ya might get. Karen Hart way to GO! Subject: Re: Sara Caulk From: Sara Caulk <sara_caulk AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 04:37:59 -0700 Hello! http://www.zeitrevolte.de/vai/idxc/byclw/rtx.html?bg=kpdy Sara Caulk cilh Subject: Re: Colorado vacation. From: Jacque Brown <bluebird2 AT COX.NET> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:42:35 -0500 I had one error, the Swallows were Cliff not Cave swallows up on the top of the Mountain at Vail. I also forgot to mention at least 6 other birds that are common here. ---- bluebird2 AT cox.net wrote: ============= Before we go changing any formats...I thought I'd share the birds from my vacation last week. I went to visit my Sister and Brother-in-Law so it wasn't like most of my trips where I was out at the crack of dawn to bird. it was more like we were out at the crack of noon. They are non birders and I attempted to introduce them to the additional beauty that surrounds them. At any rate, the birds weren't as plentiful as I would have thought. They live on a golf course so I saw a lot of Violet Green Swallows, Magpies, Mountain Chickadees, also a lot of Brewer's Blackbirds and American Crows. (we found a Brewers Blackbird nest) We put up a hummer feeder and attracted Broad-tailed Hummingbirds and potentially Calliope Hummers. I have not sorted through all the hummer photos but did not see any males of that variety. But the Broad-tailed sound like a high pitched George Jetson Mobile. TRRRRRRRR. We also found Yellow Warbler and Yellow-rumped Warblers (Audubon's) Away from the golf course I am embarrassed to admit it took me three days to ID a Song Sparrow, They were skulky and I couldn't get a clear look until we went to a nature science center where they sang from the bush tops. Their version is very pale. we also found Black-headed Grosbeak, Warbling Vireo, and a finch singing high in a tree, not a House Finch, it had to be the other type, Cassin's, but it was not Rosy I saw two of these, the other at the golf course. Both tan, both singing. I can only guess they were both juvenile males. The first day there a Peregrine Falcon buzzed the length of the course. There were also Red-tailed Hawks about. We went to Mt Evans on June 12th, at 14,120 ft there were White-crowned Sparrows. Up where we should have found Ptarmigans ( but did not.) we did find Mountains Goats, Big Horn Sheep, and Yellow-bellied Marmots up there. A little lower were Mountain Bluebirds. Yet lower but still high in elevation at Echo Lake were Stellar's Jay, and a Clark's Nutcracker. all we had to do was crinkle a wrapper and they flew in. On the lake were Common Goldeneyes, 3 female and a male. Mallards were nearly everywhere we went. We took a Gondola ride in Vail and hiked a few trails at the top. no birds around. I played the Dark-eyed Junco song for fun and attracted 6 Juncos and a Gray Jay, which they refer to as "Camp Robbers". Of the Junco's two were slate backed, one Oregon and two were Red-backed Gray Headed. a new type for me. Back at the gondola the, Rough-winged, Tree and Cave Swallows were flying high. Also a Common Raven or two. I neither saw nor heard any Woodpeckers. I played Lewis and Nuttalls Woodpecker calls and hammering, several young children walking by said Oh Woodpeckers! and were looking around for the birds. My number one target bird was American Dipper. We had several areas to look but the rivers and streams were raging from snow melt and most had no exposed boulders, we finally stopped at one spot that looked perfect. We ate lunch and had a beer and I went looking down stream. My brother-in-Law saw a fat gray bird on a rock and watched it dive into the water. He thought it had committed birdy suicide and realized it was the Dipper, they had not believed me when I told them we needed rocks standing in rapids. We were able to watch it for 20 minutes. The Dipper sighting made for some lively conversation when we went to dinner Saturday night, the restaurant was near another Dipper location some folks from Florida we met at the gondola said to try. No Dippers for us but the locals saw them often. One the way back from a site where we found a small flycatcher in bad light (I haven't figured out which one), and an Osprey in good light we passed the Osprey nest built on a platform near the road . It was HUGE and had another Osprey standing on the platform for scale. We also stopped at a historical marker, the area was a wetlands that had been drained so the military could set up training for troops that could ski. Another couple there saw the bins and camera and asked if I was a birder, they said they had just watched "The Big Year" and thought it was funny, then said "You mean it's all true?" There are really people like that? It was a fun week, of all the birds 8 were lifers for me. -- Jacque Brown Centerton Benton, Co AR, bluebird2 AT cox.net -- Jacque Brown Centerton Benton, Co AR, bluebird2 AT cox.net Subject: Colorado vacation. From: Jacque Brown <bluebird2 AT COX.NET> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:20:46 -0500 Before we go changing any formats...I thought I'd share the birds from my vacation last week. I went to visit my Sister and Brother-in-Law so it wasn't like most of my trips where I was out at the crack of dawn to bird. it was more like we were out at the crack of noon. They are non birders and I attempted to introduce them to the additional beauty that surrounds them. At any rate, the birds weren't as plentiful as I would have thought. They live on a golf course so I saw a lot of Violet Green Swallows, Magpies, Mountain Chickadees, also a lot of Brewer's Blackbirds and American Crows. (we found a Brewers Blackbird nest) We put up a hummer feeder and attracted Broad-tailed Hummingbirds and potentially Calliope Hummers. I have not sorted through all the hummer photos but did not see any males of that variety. But the Broad-tailed sound like a high pitched George Jetson Mobile. TRRRRRRRR. We also found Yellow Warbler and Yellow-rumped Warblers (Audubon's) Away from the golf course I am embarrassed to admit it took me three days to ID a Song Sparrow, They were skulky and I couldn't get a clear look until we went to a nature science center where they sang from the bush tops. Their version is very pale. we also found Black-headed Grosbeak, Warbling Vireo, and a finch singing high in a tree, not a House Finch, it had to be the other type, Cassin's, but it was not Rosy I saw two of these, the other at the golf course. Both tan, both singing. I can only guess they were both juvenile males. The first day there a Peregrine Falcon buzzed the length of the course. There were also Red-tailed Hawks about. We went to Mt Evans on June 12th, at 14,120 ft there were White-crowned Sparrows. Up where we should have found Ptarmigans ( but did not.) we did find Mountains Goats, Big Horn Sheep, and Yellow-bellied Marmots up there. A little lower were Mountain Bluebirds. Yet lower but still high in elevation at Echo Lake were Stellar's Jay, and a Clark's Nutcracker. all we had to do was crinkle a wrapper and they flew in. On the lake were Common Goldeneyes, 3 female and a male. Mallards were nearly everywhere we went. We took a Gondola ride in Vail and hiked a few trails at the top. no birds around. I played the Dark-eyed Junco song for fun and attracted 6 Juncos and a Gray Jay, which they refer to as "Camp Robbers". Of the Junco's two were slate backed, one Oregon and two were Red-backed Gray Headed. a new type for me. Back at the gondola the, Rough-winged, Tree and Cave Swallows were flying high. Also a Common Raven or two. I neither saw nor heard any Woodpeckers. I played Lewis and Nuttalls Woodpecker calls and hammering, several young children walking by said Oh Woodpeckers! and were looking around for the birds. My number one target bird was American Dipper. We had several areas to look but the rivers and streams were raging from snow melt and most had no exposed boulders, we finally stopped at one spot that looked perfect. We ate lunch and had a beer and I went looking down stream. My brother-in-Law saw a fat gray bird on a rock and watched it dive into the water. He thought it had committed birdy suicide and realized it was the Dipper, they had not believed me when I told them we needed rocks standing in rapids. We were able to watch it for 20 minutes. The Dipper sighting made for some lively conversation when we went to dinner Saturday night, the restaurant was near another Dipper location some folks from Florida we met at the gondola said to try. No Dippers for us but the locals saw them often. One the way back from a site where we found a small flycatcher in bad light (I haven't figured out which one), and an Osprey in good light we passed the Osprey nest built on a platform near the road . It was HUGE and had another Osprey standing on the platform for scale. We also stopped at a historical marker, the area was a wetlands that had been drained so the military could set up training for troops that could ski. Another couple there saw the bins and camera and asked if I was a birder, they said they had just watched "The Big Year" and thought it was funny, then said "You mean it's all true?" There are really people like that? It was a fun week, of all the birds 8 were lifers for me. -- Jacque Brown Centerton Benton, Co AR, bluebird2 AT cox.net Subject: Re: Jim and Karen Rowe From: Jim and Karen Rowe <rollingrfarm AT ROCKETMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:35:29 -0700 sorry, please do not open this my account was hacked. Karen ________________________________ From: Jim and Karen Rowe To: ARBIRD L ; HECKHAVEN ; RaptorCare digest ; lynnemctigrit ; k franklin Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 1:27 PM Subject: Jim and Karen Rowe wer    http://thewealthyhippy.com/ftx/kgnizlk/nspe/xacyfuyyzr.php    Jim and Karen Rowe Subject: Jim and Karen Rowe From: Jim and Karen Rowe <rollingrfarm AT ROCKETMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:27:29 -0700 wer http://thewealthyhippy.com/ftx/kgnizlk/nspe/xacyfuyyzr.php Jim and Karen Rowe Subject: Studying Lesser Prairie Chicken survival in Kansas From: Joan Reynolds <joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:11:02 -0500 Hi, ARBirders, If you are interested, here's a link to an article in the Wichita Eagle newspaper about efforts to study and help the Lesser Prairie Chicken survive: http://www.kansas.com/2013/06/15/2849780/study-looks-for-clues-to-lesser.html --Joan Rogers, AR Subject: White-winged Dove update From: Terry & Judy Butler <twbutler AT WINDSTREAM.NET> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 09:52:10 -0500 Three days have passed without sighting the White-winged Dove. (:< Terry Butler Pangburn, AR Subject: Readings From: Luann Glenn <landwalker66 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:28:46 +0000 For those who love to read when not birding - Chapter IV "A Paradise of Birds" in John Muir's Nature Writings is sweetly written. Luann Glenn Little Rock  Subject: Re: Glenda Cooper From: Glenda Cooper <toucancoop AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:17:05 -0700 http://cafeysirope.com/bqojfj/etf/ygzxg/pchfw.html?ylx=mzo Best regards, Glenda Cooper Subject: Carol Joan Patterson From: Carol Joan Patterson <joanie.patterson AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:16:50 -0700 http://bregerlaw.com/jhyicnh/qmlv/shpzfe/hyoq/ylb/vumjew.html Carol Joan Patterson imhs/div> Subject: Sightings/Hearings Monroe Co. From: Tim Tyler <tylertim204 AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:40:54 -0500 Pines Golf Course at the intersection of hwy79&hwy49. Large Mimosa tree in bloom that was dropping worms. Several species of birds were very interested and camped out underneath the tree to include Summer Tanager, Eastern King Bird, Cow birds, American robin, Brown Thrasher. Bob white were calling nearby. A most elusive pair of Great Crested flycatchers were near also. Subject: Re: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area From: "George R. Hoelzeman" <vogel AT GRHSTUDIOS.COM> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 21:39:18 -0500 I still have trouble distinguishing between Painted bunting and Indigo bunting. This could information could be helpful in that regard. Thanks! George (n. Conway Co. enjoying a bit of rain) On 6/16/2013 3:02 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: > This is in response to Judith's post, which I can't find in my IN box. > > I used to have trouble distinguishing between the songs of Painted > Buntings and those of Common Yellowthroats. Roger Peterson's mnemonic > /Peweata-peweata-I-eaty-you-too!/ is helpful. Not too different from > /Witchety-witchety-witchety-witch!/ and often in similar habitat. > > Notice that the first note is not accented, but the second note is. > Blue Grosbeaks accent the first note of their song, as I recall. > > Bill Shepherd > > Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 > Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 09:32:59 -0500 > From: herschel.raney AT CONWAYCORP.NET > Subject: Re: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > The Bunting has a high pitched whistled quality like a wandering toned > Warbling Vireo. Tends to trickle off. > > The Grosbeak is significantly lower pitched overall. With buzzy middle > notes. And tends to end stronger like it wasn't quite finished. > > They can always make you stop and check. If you can't see many trees > where you are listening, it is likely a Blue. Painteds tend to get up > higher to sing and often in the isolated tree just off the woods > margin. Blues will call from a barb wired fence or a phone wire. > > Herschel Raney > Conway AR (where both call at my mailbox) > > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT gmail.com > > wrote: > > After reading Dan's post about the painted buntings that > definitely live in our near vicinity but that I have not seen > specifically at Ninestone, I took his advice and listened to their > songs to familiarize myself with the "difference". Wow! They are > very similar to my ears and now I wonder if I have been missing > some painted buntings here on our land. > > My take on the difference is that the bunting songs are quite a > bit faster warbled melodies than the blue grosbeak songs. > > How would others here describe the difference? It's helpful to > have other perceptions to go by. > > Thanks, > > Judith > Ninestone, Carroll County > > On Jun 15, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Dan Scheiman > wrote: > > > The Painted Bunting is a sought-after species so there are > periodic requests on this listserv for locations. The species is > relatively abundant throughout the Arkansas River Valley as > evidenced by the Coal Hill Breeding Bird Survey route that Bill > Shepherd and I ran this morning. Over the 50 stops we counted 14 > birds at 13 stops, plus two birds between stops. This route starts > in Coal Hill to the west of Clarksville, runs east along US-64, > then onto S. Crawford St., north along Rt. 109, through > Clarksville, and finally east of town on AR-164 and AR-123/164. > Listen for their song along the more rural parts of this route > (and I'm sure surrounding county roads) and you can't miss. Blue > Grosbeaks are just as numerous so know the difference between the > songs. > > > > Dan Scheiman > > Little Rock, AR > > -- George R. Hoelzeman North Conway County Subject: Breeding Bird Routes - 2013 thoughts From: "Anderson, Leif E -FS" <leanderson AT FS.FED.US> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:40:41 +0000 Greetings all, I'm finally done with my BBS routes and FS point counts. My highlights were 5 Swainson's Warblers along Crowley's Ridge of the St. Francis NF & Mississippi River SP. Cerulean & Black-throated Green Warblers at many locations on the Ozark NF. Lark Sparrows seemed up in numbers across all the routes. (Just an observation, I haven't looked at the numbers yet.) Blue-winged Warbler seemed up in numbers, with the farthest south near Poyen. 1 Yellow Warbler continues in the proper habitat, but a marginal location, near Wilson. Had 1 Least Tern looking for food in a muddy irrigation ditch, near Wilson. A nice surprise for me, but maybe not so good for the species... The MS & AR rivers are up, so where does a tern nest or eat? Probably the best bird was a nesting Sharpy near Locust Bayou. Only the 3rd time that I've had the species in South AR, in 44 routes over the years. In its typical habitat of thick to thinned 6-10" dia, 25' plus in height, pine plantation. I'd call it a rare nester in northern AR. A ton more habitat in the South, but very rarely seen nesting, so it must be something more than habitat. Maybe temperature? That's all for now. Time to sleep for a month or two. Cheers, Leif This electronic message contains information generated by the USDA solely for the intended recipients. Any unauthorized interception of this message or the use or disclosure of the information it contains may violate the law and subject the violator to civil or criminal penalties. If you believe you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete the email immediately. Subject: Re: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area From: Bill Shepherd <stoneax63 AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:02:26 -0500 This is in response to Judith's post, which I can't find in my IN box. I used to have trouble distinguishing between the songs of Painted Buntings and those of Common Yellowthroats. Roger Peterson's mnemonic Peweata-peweata-I-eaty-you-too! is helpful. Not too different from Witchety-witchety-witchety-witch! and often in similar habitat. Notice that the first note is not accented, but the second note is. Blue Grosbeaks accent the first note of their song, as I recall. Bill Shepherd Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 09:32:59 -0500 From: herschel.raney AT CONWAYCORP.NET Subject: Re: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU The Bunting has a high pitched whistled quality like a wandering toned Warbling Vireo. Tends to trickle off. The Grosbeak is significantly lower pitched overall. With buzzy middle notes. And tends to end stronger like it wasn't quite finished. They can always make you stop and check. If you can't see many trees where you are listening, it is likely a Blue. Painteds tend to get up higher to sing and often in the isolated tree just off the woods margin. Blues will call from a barb wired fence or a phone wire. Herschel Raney Conway AR (where both call at my mailbox) On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT gmail.com> wrote: After reading Dan's post about the painted buntings that definitely live in our near vicinity but that I have not seen specifically at Ninestone, I took his advice and listened to their songs to familiarize myself with the "difference". Wow! They are very similar to my ears and now I wonder if I have been missing some painted buntings here on our land. My take on the difference is that the bunting songs are quite a bit faster warbled melodies than the blue grosbeak songs. How would others here describe the difference? It's helpful to have other perceptions to go by. Thanks, Judith Ninestone, Carroll County On Jun 15, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Dan Scheiman wrote: > The Painted Bunting is a sought-after species so there are periodic requests on this listserv for locations. The species is relatively abundant throughout the Arkansas River Valley as evidenced by the Coal Hill Breeding Bird Survey route that Bill Shepherd and I ran this morning. Over the 50 stops we counted 14 birds at 13 stops, plus two birds between stops. This route starts in Coal Hill to the west of Clarksville, runs east along US-64, then onto S. Crawford St., north along Rt. 109, through Clarksville, and finally east of town on AR-164 and AR-123/164. Listen for their song along the more rural parts of this route (and I'm sure surrounding county roads) and you can't miss. Blue Grosbeaks are just as numerous so know the difference between the songs. > > Dan Scheiman > Little Rock, AR Subject: Re: Places to reliably get Whip-poor-will? From: Dan Scheiman <birddan AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:42:09 -0500 Subject: Sightings/hearings at home From: Gail Miller <gail.miller AT CONWAYCORP.NET> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:37:58 -0500 Up early this morning to walk the dogs while it was still 'cool'. Nice cloud cover here.... I checked the Cooper's Hawk nest first. The female was at the nest. I heard the male across the pasture down in the woods, cack-cack-cack, then heard the Barred Owl in the same vicinity. The dogs and I headed that way and once at the edge of the woods, I saw the Cooper's and again heard the Barred. Then I heard cack-cack-cack-cack from behind me, turned around and the female Cooper's (being chased by a smaller bird) flew over to join the male. They were both in the same tree ... I never saw the owl, I assume this is displeasure for sharing their food source hunting ground. Yesterday, on my way home from town, I saw what I thought might be a Cooper's (again being chased by a smaller bird) over by Antioch Baptist Church. It's not far from my house, a mile or so, and I wondered if it was 'my' hawk broadening it's hunting ground. Nestlings in the Cooper's nest are barely visible through the loose sticks of the nest, white fuzzy little things flapping their wings about. Can't tell how many. Yesterday, late, the female was constantly shaking her head, I assumed the gnats and mosquitoes were as bad up were she was as they were down low. While I was watching the female, via binoculars, a hummingbird came and hovered within 2-3 feet of the hawk's tail ... guess it figured it was way to fast to get caught, but I was amazed! Saw a quick 'cloacal kiss' from a pair of Great Crested Flycatchers, not sure if this would be their first 'breeding'. I haven't seen them feeding young yet and don't know where they might be nesting. I re-worked a hollow log house, hoping to accommodate them, as that was their preference years again, a house long since rotted and fallen. They've nested in plastic Purple Martin houses here and once in a compartment of a Martin house. I haven't found their nest in the past several years ... probably just not looking hard enough. I have a VERY noisy, curious White-eye Vireo here. I'm sure it has a nest in one of my many thickets. The Caroline Wren is adding nesting materials to her nest on the back porch where she had an early clutch back when it was still very cool. Bluebirds remind me, as soon as I get outside, that they are ready for their morning meal worms (they remind me in the afternoon too). The adults come with their first clutch of young ones for mealworms that they have to share with the Blue Jays. The Bluebirds have eggs in a second nest box now. Yellow-billed Cuckoos can be heard and the White-breasted Nuthatch comes to the feeder station for peanuts, I see two, but not sure if I'm seeing any young. The Downy and Red-bellied Woodpeckers still visit the suet and hang around the feeder if it's empty. Only see a couple of hummingbirds. I look forward to the larger numbers during their migration Aug. - early Oct. (Not seeing a lot of butterflies yet ...., don't really know why, a few though. Spicebush has several Spicebush Swallowtail caterpillars and I bought some dill yesterday at the garden center that had 2 big caterpillars on it. The dill looked so bad, I wondered if the lady wondered why I wanted it .... I sort of kept quiet about the caterpillars, which would be Black Swallowtail :-) Gail Miller Conway - Faulkner Co. - AR See my recent photos at http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/root&view=recent See my photography at: http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/root "Don't forget what your failures have taught you or else you'll learn them all over again." Dan Fogelberg 1951 - 2007 Subject: Re: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area From: Herschel Raney <herschel.raney AT CONWAYCORP.NET> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 09:32:59 -0500 The Bunting has a high pitched whistled quality like a wandering toned Warbling Vireo. Tends to trickle off. The Grosbeak is significantly lower pitched overall. With buzzy middle notes. And tends to end stronger like it wasn't quite finished. They can always make you stop and check. If you can't see many trees where you are listening, it is likely a Blue. Painteds tend to get up higher to sing and often in the isolated tree just off the woods margin. Blues will call from a barb wired fence or a phone wire. Herschel Raney Conway AR (where both call at my mailbox) On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT gmail.com> wrote: > After reading Dan's post about the painted buntings that definitely live > in our near vicinity but that I have not seen specifically at Ninestone, I > took his advice and listened to their songs to familiarize myself with the > "difference". Wow! They are very similar to my ears and now I wonder if I > have been missing some painted buntings here on our land. > > My take on the difference is that the bunting songs are quite a bit faster > warbled melodies than the blue grosbeak songs. > > How would others here describe the difference? It's helpful to have other > perceptions to go by. > > Thanks, > > Judith > Ninestone, Carroll County > > On Jun 15, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Dan Scheiman wrote: > > > The Painted Bunting is a sought-after species so there are periodic > requests on this listserv for locations. The species is relatively abundant > throughout the Arkansas River Valley as evidenced by the Coal Hill Breeding > Bird Survey route that Bill Shepherd and I ran this morning. Over the 50 > stops we counted 14 birds at 13 stops, plus two birds between stops. This > route starts in Coal Hill to the west of Clarksville, runs east along > US-64, then onto S. Crawford St., north along Rt. 109, through Clarksville, > and finally east of town on AR-164 and AR-123/164. Listen for their song > along the more rural parts of this route (and I'm sure surrounding county > roads) and you can't miss. Blue Grosbeaks are just as numerous so know the > difference between the songs. > > > > Dan Scheiman > > Little Rock, AR > Subject: Re: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area From: Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 09:20:14 -0500 After reading Dan's post about the painted buntings that definitely live in our near vicinity but that I have not seen specifically at Ninestone, I took his advice and listened to their songs to familiarize myself with the "difference". Wow! They are very similar to my ears and now I wonder if I have been missing some painted buntings here on our land. My take on the difference is that the bunting songs are quite a bit faster warbled melodies than the blue grosbeak songs. How would others here describe the difference? It's helpful to have other perceptions to go by. Thanks, Judith Ninestone, Carroll County On Jun 15, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Dan Scheiman wrote: > The Painted Bunting is a sought-after species so there are periodic requests on this listserv for locations. The species is relatively abundant throughout the Arkansas River Valley as evidenced by the Coal Hill Breeding Bird Survey route that Bill Shepherd and I ran this morning. Over the 50 stops we counted 14 birds at 13 stops, plus two birds between stops. This route starts in Coal Hill to the west of Clarksville, runs east along US-64, then onto S. Crawford St., north along Rt. 109, through Clarksville, and finally east of town on AR-164 and AR-123/164. Listen for their song along the more rural parts of this route (and I'm sure surrounding county roads) and you can't miss. Blue Grosbeaks are just as numerous so know the difference between the songs. > > Dan Scheiman > Little Rock, AR Subject: Re: Places to reliably get Whip-poor-will? From: "George R. Hoelzeman" <vogel AT GRHSTUDIOS.COM> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 23:43:46 -0500 We have them going nutz right now . . . Whips and Chucks, but more the latter than former. But we're also about 1hr15min from LR and it can be something of an adventure finding our place. But its not unusual for us to see as many as we hear if we sit outside with a flashlight long enough. George (n. Conway Co. "We Brake for Nightjars." On 6/15/2013 8:43 PM, Jim Dixon wrote: > I can get Chuck-will's-widow without going too far and Common > Nighthawk by stepping outside but I rarely hear Whip-poor-will. Is > there a place where I could go and stand a better than even chance of > hearing one? Preferably near Little Rock? > > On a side note, I visited Ebird to ask this question and limited my > search to Pulaski County. To my surprise, the graph showed green for > just April and May. I was surprised, I never knew these were > migrants. Then I expanded my scope to the entire state and found I was > right the first time, they are in the state all summer just not so > much where I live. > > > -- > > Jim Dixon > > Little Rock, AR > > www.JamesDixon.us > > Birding Hotspots of Central Arkansas > > > "There are two kinds of people in the world, the givers and the > takers. The takers may eat better but the givers sleep better." > -- George R. Hoelzeman North Conway County Subject: Re: Places to reliably get Whip-poor-will? From: Jack and Pam <jackstewart_us AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:42:25 -0700 Jim, This isn't close to Little Rock, but if you are ever in Newton County you can hear both Chuck and Whip at the same time in most places near the Buffalo River.  In fact, I'm listening to them here at Erbie as I type.  The Chuck-wills-widow are nearly always down the hill from us nearer the river bottom and the Whip-poor-wills up here in the field.   Every now and then, for some unknown reason, a Chuck will wander this way and start calling around the house.  Next night he will be back where he belongs.   Clear moon lit nights are best. Jack Stewart Newton County ________________________________ From: Jim Dixon To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:43 PM Subject: Places to reliably get Whip-poor-will? I can get Chuck-will's-widow without going too far and Common Nighthawk by stepping outside but I rarely hear Whip-poor-will.  Is there a place where I could go and stand a better than even chance of hearing one? Preferably near Little Rock? On a side note, I visited Ebird to ask this question and limited my search to Pulaski County.  To my surprise, the graph showed green for just April and May.  I was surprised, I never knew these were migrants. Then I expanded my scope to the entire state and found I was right the first time, they are in the state all summer just not so much where I live. -- Jim Dixon Little Rock, AR www.JamesDixon.us Birding Hotspots of Central Arkansas "There are two kinds of people in the world, the givers and the takers. The takers may eat better but the givers sleep better." Subject: Places to reliably get Whip-poor-will? From: Jim Dixon <jamesdixonlr AT ATT.NET> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 20:43:10 -0500 I can get Chuck-will's-widow without going too far and Common Nighthawk by stepping outside but I rarely hear Whip-poor-will. Is there a place where I could go and stand a better than even chance of hearing one? Preferably near Little Rock? On a side note, I visited Ebird to ask this question and limited my search to Pulaski County. To my surprise, the graph showed green for just April and May. I was surprised, I never knew these were migrants. Then I expanded my scope to the entire state and found I was right the first time, they are in the state all summer just not so much where I live. -- Jim Dixon Little Rock, AR www.JamesDixon.us Birding Hotspots of Central Arkansas "There are two kinds of people in the world, the givers and the takers. The takers may eat better but the givers sleep better." Subject: Painted Buntings, Coal Hill BBS, Clarksville area From: Dan Scheiman <birddan AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:11:27 -0500 The Painted Bunting is a sought-after species so there are periodic requests on this listserv for locations. The species is relatively abundant throughout the Arkansas River Valley as evidenced by the Coal Hill Breeding Bird Survey route that Bill Shepherd and I ran this morning. Over the 50 stops we counted 14 birds at 13 stops, plus two birds between stops. This route starts in Coal Hill to the west of Clarksville, runs east along US-64, then onto S. Crawford St., north along Rt. 109, through Clarksville, and finally east of town on AR-164 and AR-123/164. Listen for their song along the more rural parts of this route (and I'm sure surrounding county roads) and you can't miss. Blue Grosbeaks are just as numerous so know the difference between the songs. Dan Scheiman Little Rock, AR Subject: spring bird count data request From: "Anderson, Leif E -FS" <leanderson AT FS.FED.US> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 20:43:09 +0000 Greetings all, I've been compiling the data for the International Migratory Bird Count. I've gotten data from several counties that did a concentrated day and then others from eBird. So far we're up to 134 checklists and 247 total species seen. I need to limit it to 3 different count days per county and at least 43sp. The following counties are full - Arkansas, Benton, Carroll, Faulkner, Jefferson, Pulaski, Saline, Scott, Washington and White. But there is still room for your sightings in other counties!! If you counted birds between 4/23 - 5/20, had > 43sp in a county/day and it isn't already in eBird, than I'd be thrilled to add your count to the list. It doesn't have to be in any special format. Just whatever is easiest for you. You can email or land-mail me the data. Hopefully by 6/27, so I can start writing the article. Cheers, Leif AT Hector This electronic message contains information generated by the USDA solely for the intended recipients. Any unauthorized interception of this message or the use or disclosure of the information it contains may violate the law and subject the violator to civil or criminal penalties. If you believe you have received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete the email immediately. Subject: Re: Doves From: Michael Verser <ozarkwildbird AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 09:53:15 -0700 What, no Ground Dove? Bo ________________________________ From: akcmueller To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: Sat, June 15, 2013 11:41:05 AM Subject: Re: Doves DOVES!!! Allan Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: fsbirdlady AT YAHOO.COM Date: To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Doves That's awesome Terry. Good post. Sandy B. Sent from my iPad On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Terry & Judy Butler wrote: I’m so confused I don’t know what I’m supposed to post. Anyway, I just now had a Mourning, Eurasian Collared, Inca, and White-winged Doves feeding in my driveway all together. > >Terry Butler >Pangburn, AR (White Co) Subject: Re: Doves From: akcmueller <akcmueller AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:39:23 -0500 DOVES!!! Allan Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: fsbirdlady AT YAHOO.COM Date: To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Doves That's awesome Terry.  Good post.  Sandy B. Sent from my iPad On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Terry & Judy Butler wrote: I’m so confused I don’t know what I’m supposed to post.  Anyway, I just now had a Mourning, Eurasian Collared, Inca, and White-winged Doves feeding in my driveway all together.   Terry Butler Pangburn, AR  (White Co) Subject: Re: Sighting, and hearing .... Barred Owl & Great Horned Owl & Cooper's Hawk update From: Gail Miller <gail.miller AT CONWAYCORP.NET> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 07:49:55 -0500 Shortly after I went to bed last night, I heard the Barred Owl in the front yard. Gail -----Original Message----- From: Gail Miller Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 9:25 PM To: ARBirdlist Subject: Sighting, and hearing .... Great Horned Owl & Cooper's Hawk update I sat on the front porch steps a while this evening. Heard a Great Horned Owl in the woods behind the house, haven't heard one in a while. Did not hear my toad in the fountain, but his job may be done as there are LOTS of tiny tadpoles in the pond now. (I love tadpoles) Cooper's Hawks are still feeding chicks......they seem to have my yard birds rather stirred up and after reading their food preferences, I understand why. I had to mow grass after work, so no photos today. Gail Miller Conway - Faulkner Co. - AR See my recent photos at http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/root&view=recent See my photography at: http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/root Subject: Sighting, and hearing .... Great Horned Owl & Cooper's Hawk update From: Gail Miller <gail.miller AT CONWAYCORP.NET> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:25:09 -0500 I sat on the front porch steps a while this evening. Heard a Great Horned Owl in the woods behind the house, haven't heard one in a while. Did not hear my toad in the fountain, but his job may be done as there are LOTS of tiny tadpoles in the pond now. (I love tadpoles) Cooper's Hawks are still feeding chicks......they seem to have my yard birds rather stirred up and after reading their food preferences, I understand why. I had to mow grass after work, so no photos today. Gail Miller Conway - Faulkner Co. - AR See my recent photos at http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/root&view=recent See my photography at: http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/root Subject: CLEOPATRA on the KINGS From: "Joseph C. Neal" <joeneal AT UARK.EDU> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:13:50 +0000 FLIP PUTTHOFF invited me to go birding on the Kings River. All I had to do was spot birds and such, as we floated, with me enthroned under a gilded canopy atop his barge; actually front paddler in his Buffalo canoe. Experienced helmsman Flip guided us down the Nile (oops, Kings). We floated about 5 miles, from Trigger Gap to McMullen Farm. This is rugged Ozarks country, a little south of Eureka Springs. In just a few hours our list topped 50: Yellow-billed Cuckoos (5), Great Crested Flycatchers (6), Northern Rough-winged Swallows (6), Yellow-throated Warblers (9), Kentucky Warblers (5), Belted Kingfishers (5) including one carrying food (crayfish? to a nest?), and at least 10 Louisiana Waterthrushes scattered on shady banks and walking on fallen snags. We also saw a Yellow-crowned Night-Heron on a little tributary. Kings today was an immaculate series of smooth riffles, clean gravel bars, beds of green water willow covered with masses of purple, orchid-like blooms, and water like a well-tended aquarium. Cleopatra never had it that good. Riffles murmured spring easing into summer: Indigo Buntings, Eastern Wood-Pewees, from a shady spot, an Acadian Flycatcher, and bullfrogs starting up. I got an eco-happy rush when I saw what had been done at the boat launch area near Kings River Outfitters. Periodic flooding tends to damage the best places to launch. One way to fix this would be to run your tractor in the river, scoop up gravel, and dump it on the bank. But instead of messing up gravel bars and the hydrology of the river, they hauled in crushed limestone. Seeing folks go the extra mile like this sets me up comfortable and easy for collecting floating-down-river bird data. Green Herons on a gravel bar, Summer Tanager singing atop a forested bluff, White-eyed Vireos (5) in the thickets of willows and young sycamores, Northern Parulas (6, probably more) where river birches lean over the Kings. We came through a shallow s-riffle out onto a broad rock shelf and northern hogsuckers, 20 or 30 of them, large and small. It was easy to spot this heavy-bodied, fast-moving fish with a series of broad dark stripes on its side, hugging the bottom. Hogsuckers are super sensitive to all of the usual manmade problems that degrade streams – deforestation that leads to sedimentation, other types of pollution, dam building, etc. See hogsuckers, you’re seeing a wild and relatively free river. Of course we’d heard that already in the singing of Louisiana Waterthrushes. I don’t know if they are nesting in the Kings valley, but presence of an adult Bald Eagle along the river today suggests it. We watched as it lifted off from a tall sycamore. I silently thanked all of you who have supported the Endangered Species Act, rational thinking about our relationship to the planet, those sensible personal acts of kindness to nature. Subject: Re: Barn Swallows nesting in storm drains at XNA From: Jeffrey Short <bashman AT EARTHLINK.NET> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:11:15 -0500 BASW can be a serious concern for light, jet aircraft operations. Next year, they should be excluded from the drains with appropriate wire. Jeff Short From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List [mailto:ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Kimberly G. Smith Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 3:26 PM To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Barn Swallows nesting in storm drains at XNA Several years ago, I noticed that BASW were apparently nesting in the storm drains in the parking lots at the Northwest Arkansas regional airport. Last week I was able to confirm that they still are using them as nesting sites, or they still are flying in and out of the drains. These drains have relatively small openings and are nearly flush with the parking surface. BASW commonly nest in culverts under roads, but I think this is the first reported use of subterranean storm drains. **************************************** Kimberly G. Smith University Professor of Biology Department of Biological Sciences University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 USA phone 479-575-6359 fax 479-575-4010 email kgsmith AT uark.edu **************************************** Subject: New and Improved observation. From: Larry Jernigan <larryjernigan6 AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:15:22 -0500 Thanks to Kenny Nichols who brought it to my attention that the Least Flycatchers have already left the area ---- so today when my "deer" friends arrived for a snack I carried my camera out with the corn. Within minutes of the arrival of the deer the bird showed up.The light was much better when everyone showed up and I was able get a photo of the feathered follower. Low and behold ---- it turned out to be an Eastern Phoebe. I have much better results making the photo than making the identification. Thanks Kenny for keeping me on the straight and narrow! Subject: Re: Doves From: fsbirdlady AT YAHOO.COM Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:34:02 -0500 That's awesome Terry. Good post. Sandy B. Sent from my iPad On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Terry & Judy Butler wrote: > I’m so confused I don’t know what I’m supposed to post. Anyway, I just now had a Mourning, Eurasian Collared, Inca, and White-winged Doves feeding in my driveway all together. > > Terry Butler > Pangburn, AR (White Co) Subject: Doves From: Terry & Judy Butler <twbutler AT WINDSTREAM.NET> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 18:20:29 -0500 I'm so confused I don't know what I'm supposed to post. Anyway, I just now had a Mourning, Eurasian Collared, Inca, and White-winged Doves feeding in my driveway all together. Terry Butler Pangburn, AR (White Co) Subject: Re: Barn Swallows nesting in storm drains at XNA From: fsbirdlady AT YAHOO.COM Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 17:31:09 -0500 While in Searcy a few years ago, I found Purple Martins nesting in yellow 3 to 4 inch pipes that made up the frame of a tall sign at the Walmart entrance. I was amazed. So thankful a lot of birds can adapt to man-made structures. Sandy B. FS, AR Sent from my iPad On Jun 14, 2013, at 3:25 PM, "Kimberly G. Smith" wrote: > Several years ago, I noticed that BASW were apparently nesting in the storm drains in the parking lots at the Northwest Arkansas regional airport. Last week I was able to confirm that they still are using them as nesting sites, or they still are flying in and out of the drains. These drains have relatively small openings and are nearly flush with the parking surface. BASW commonly nest in culverts under roads, but I think this is the first reported use of subterranean storm drains. > > **************************************** > Kimberly G. Smith > University Professor of Biology > Department of Biological Sciences > University of Arkansas > Fayetteville, AR 72701 USA > phone 479-575-6359 fax 479-575-4010 > email kgsmith AT uark.edu > **************************************** Subject: Barn Swallows nesting in storm drains at XNA From: "Kimberly G. Smith" <kgsmith AT UARK.EDU> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:25:46 +0000 Several years ago, I noticed that BASW were apparently nesting in the storm drains in the parking lots at the Northwest Arkansas regional airport. Last week I was able to confirm that they still are using them as nesting sites, or they still are flying in and out of the drains. These drains have relatively small openings and are nearly flush with the parking surface. BASW commonly nest in culverts under roads, but I think this is the first reported use of subterranean storm drains. **************************************** Kimberly G. Smith University Professor of Biology Department of Biological Sciences University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 USA phone 479-575-6359 fax 479-575-4010 email kgsmith AT uark.edu **************************************** Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Bill Shepherd <stoneax63 AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:02:13 -0500 There is more than one way to help the reader save time. David Arbour does it by boldfacing the unexpected birds, so that we are given the choice of reading his entire report or of quickly scanning for rarities of interest. Too often I have to read through an entire account of an outing to find, only in the final sentence, some mention of a rare bird species that I'm glad to learn about. Another way to accomplish what I would like to see would be to be more honest in our title lines. But that has been suggested before, and very few contributors comply. I probably don't myself. Bill Shepherd Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:02:33 -0500 From: hudsonre AT ARISTOTLE.NET Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Amen! I often delete items without reading--just a quick scan. But I read Joe Neal's musings, often save to read again, and usually forward to a couple of friends that are not on the ARBird list. I, too, enjoy reports of yard birds, etc. Rules are important, but this site is for enjoyment, so please don't ruin it with lots of strict regulations. From what I have seen during a few discussions, we have a "moderator" who can ask for a subject to be dropped or carried on off-site. On another note, I would like to see the area or county of special sighting in the subject line or at least at the beginning of the notice. ------- Original Message ------- From : Holly Childs[mailto:hollychilds AT me.com] Sent : 6/13/2013 6:37:16 PM To : ARBIRD-L AT listserv.uark.edu Cc : Subject : RE: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds My first question about proposed guidelines is: Will these guidelines permit the publication of Joe Neal's essays? If so, good. If not, let's try again. Holly Childs 1126 Reed Valley Rd. Fayetteville AR 72704-5976 479-571-1727 On Jun 13, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: In my opinion, it would be best merely to put that kind of stuff in an attached and labeled file. That way I don't have to read all the way through it to learn that it contains nothing of interest to me. In other words, post only a brief, descriptive line. Those interested can pursue it while those not interested don't need to. Bill Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:23:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: akcmueller AT gmail.com To: stoneax63 AT hotmail.com CC: ARBIRD-L AT listserv.uark.edu For what its worth, I disagre with items 4 and 7. Item 4 - political messages, no; environmental issues relavant to birds, yes. I do agree that if the discussion becomes prolonged it should be moved off AR-Bird, but routine environmental issues should be OK. Item 7 - why not let folks list the birds they saw somewhere else? If you don't want to read it, delete. Some people enjoy sharing their adventures. Allan Mueller On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this isnot the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouraging more solid content of broad interest. So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. Bill Shepherd Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. Charles Mills ARBirds Posting Guidelines What Can Be Posted 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society:http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. -- Allan Mueller 20 Moseley Lane Conway, AR 72032 501-327-8952 home 501-339-8071 cell "I ain't never did no wrong." Elvis Presley in "One Night" Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: "hudsonre AT aristotle.net" <hudsonre@ARISTOTLE.NET> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:02:33 -0500 Amen! I often delete items without reading--just a quick scan. But I read Joe Neal's musings, often save to read again, and usually forward to a couple of friends that are not on the ARBird list. I, too, enjoy reports of yard birds, etc. Rules are important, but this site is for enjoyment, so please don't ruin it with lots of strict regulations. From what I have seen during a few discussions, we have a "moderator" who can ask for a subject to be dropped or carried on off-site. On another note, I would like to see the area or county of special sighting in the subject line or at least at the beginning of the notice. ------- Original Message ------- From : Holly Childs[mailto:hollychilds AT me.com] Sent : 6/13/2013 6:37:16 PM To : ARBIRD-L AT listserv.uark.edu Cc : Subject : RE: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds My first question about proposed guidelines is: Will these guidelines permit the publication of Joe Neal's essays? If so, good. If not, let's try again. Holly Childs 1126 Reed Valley Rd. Fayetteville AR 72704-5976 479-571-1727 On Jun 13, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: In my opinion, it would be best merely to put that kind of stuff in an attached and labeled file. That way I don't have to read all the way through it to learn that it contains nothing of interest to me. In other words, post only a brief, descriptive line. Those interested can pursue it while those not interested don't need to. Bill Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:23:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: akcmueller AT gmail.com To: stoneax63 AT hotmail.com CC: ARBIRD-L AT listserv.uark.edu For what its worth, I disagre with items 4 and 7. Item 4 - political messages, no; environmental issues relavant to birds, yes. I do agree that if the discussion becomes prolonged it should be moved off AR-Bird, but routine environmental issues should be OK. Item 7 - why not let folks list the birds they saw somewhere else? If you don't want to read it, delete. Some people enjoy sharing their adventures. Allan Mueller On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this isnot the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouraging more solid content of broad interest. So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. Bill Shepherd Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. Charles Mills ARBirds Posting Guidelines What Can Be Posted 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society:http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. -- Allan Mueller 20 Moseley Lane Conway, AR 72032 501-327-8952 home 501-339-8071 cell "I ain't never did no wrong." Elvis Presley in "One Night" Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: CK <meshoppen AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:33:35 -0500 I like the idea of a forum. I recommend adding a section on backyard habitat. Cindy LR ________________________ On 2013-06-14 15:00:50 +0000 David Quinn wrote: > > Great work. I just joined. Everyone should check it out! > > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Kenny Nichols wrote: > >> Interestingly, I created just such a forum a few weeks ago. I've only told >> a few people about it as I'm still tinkering with the settings and layout >> and trying to decide if its worth pursuing. I've been a member of other >> forums for years so I'm use to and like the format. Another advantage of >> a forum is the ability to submit photos with your post. >> >> One of those that I'd told (Mitchell Pruitt) informed me that Dallas >> Audubon has been using this format for years so there is precedent. >> >> If you want to check it out, go to: >> http://arkansasbirders.proboards.com/ >> >> I'm open to suggestions (I'll even create a politics section if people >> want) but, I'm no technical genius so don't be too harsh. >> >> Kenny Nichols >> Cabot >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:13 AM, David Quinn wrote: >> >> Perhaps it's time to move on from a listserve to a forum. Web forums from >> my other hobbies are much easier to follow and work with. We could have >> subforums for all the various topics: >> Rare sightings >> Trip reports >> Ecology >> Bird ID help >> Feeder talk >> Hummingbirds (other than rarity reports) >> etc. >> Just a thought. >> >> David Quinn >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Jeffrey Short >> wrote: >> >>> I think I first heard about the Mt. Judea hog CAFO, and other important >>> issues through ARBIRDS. New guidelines should allow complex threads for >>> those that want to follow these issues—either here or elsewhere. This >>> may >>> be the stuff that will ultimately matter, even as our elected officials >>> feign ignorance. [(I’ll be glad to share their responses off-listserv); >>> I >>> might add, in an non-political way, of course, that we not only need >>> remove >>> the elected officials, but also their staff who prepared their >>> responses.)] >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I’m not so interested in the common sightings ARBIRd, though I know that >>> they—over time—will provide insights into what many of us >>> (non-birthers) >>> already know: we had better start putting your “stuff” into one sock >>> â€�cause bad, or at least really adverse conditions, are coming to a >>> zipcode >>> near you within a generation or two.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Top five (today):**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Turk Plant sellout**** >>> >>> Hog CAFO nearby the Buffalo National River**** >>> >>> (antiquated) Pegasus Pipeine crossings of sensitive ecological areas >>> across Arkansas**** >>> >>> Eminent domain for new powerlines in NW Arkansas and around Hot Springs** >>> ** >>> >>> Upcoming lignite removal (strip-mining) in south central Arkansas**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> Or maybe six:**** >>> >>> ADEQ economic blinders/incompetence. **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Anyone got a seven+?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Jeff Short**** >>> >>> “What, me worry?”**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> *From:* The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List [mailto: >>> ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Donna Haynes >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:58 PM >>> >>> *To:* ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >>> *Subject:* Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I for one read each and every post. During the day when I am busy, I >>> check my email often and scan for possible rare bird or notable sightings. >>> At night I sit and read all of the wonderful posts by so many different >>> types of birders. I enjoy the beautifully and profound writing of some of >>> the list subscribers. I love to read about what people see whether it be a >>> pair of cardinals feeding their babies in their backyards or some Mega >>> rarity that makes me giddy with excitement. I like to read unusual >>> experiences that people have or observe with birds. I love to read about >>> nests whether they are a majestic Bald Eagle or a tiny chickadee. I don't >>> mind some guidelines and rules, but I would hate to see he list turn into >>> one that is void of joy and wonder. >>> Donna Haynes >>> West Pulaski Co.**** >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM>; >>> *To: *; >>> *Subject: *Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >>> *Sent: *Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:56:44 PM **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> I can't believe some folks have to read through every single line of >>> every single post to find out if it contains "anything of interest" to >>> them. >>> I also delete most of them after a quick scan. Who has the time? >>> >>> Additionally, instead of short infrequent lists of rare birds with the >>> allowed pre-specified initials in the subject line, I would much rather >>> read Herschel's ecstatic experiences, Joe's insightful and educational >>> essays, David Arbour's amazing identifications, Janine's sensitive >>> observations, Jerry's valuable habitat information, Bill's nature >>> observations, Cindy's entertaining bird anecdotes, Mitchell's posts, tales >>> of nearby prairies even if they are NOT in Arkansas or on the 'permitted >>> list' of preserves, and stories about bluebirds and wrens nesting on the >>> back porch - during nesting season!**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Judith**** >>> >>> Ninestone**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, CK Franklin wrote:** >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ARBirds is fixing to become a much duller place if the proposed strict >>> orthodoxy is applied. More's the pity if all of this comes to pass. >>> >>> Most email accounts allow for message sorting and ability to delete >>> multiple messages at one time. >>> >>> >>> Cindy >>> Little Rock >>> >>> >>> >>> **** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 >>> From: joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM >>> Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >>> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU**** >>> >>> I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care >>> so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far >>> from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever >>> being opened. **** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super >>> easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that >>> I >>> want to read.**** >>> >>> **** >>> >>> --Joan**** >>> >>> Rogers**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn >>> wrote:**** >>> >>> Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the >>> RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further >>> info.**** >>> >>> DeLynn Hearn**** >>> >>> 317 West K St. **** >>> >>> N. Little Rock, AR 72116**** >>> >>> (501)472-8769(c)**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone**** >>> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: >>> **** >>> >>> In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And >>> Charles has made an excellent start. >>> >>> But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would >>> help to make clear that this is *not* the place to report every species >>> that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being >>> equal--what >>> common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected >>> season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal >>> blog. >>> >>> The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives >>> and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to >>> the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas >>> who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because >>> reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. >>> >>> Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect >>> of encouraging*more* solid content of broad interest. >>> >>> So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for >>> appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of >>> us--have >>> to take the time to do it for him/her individually. >>> >>> Bill Shepherd >>> >>> Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 >>> Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com(501) 375-3918 >>> **** >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 >>> From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM >>> Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >>> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU**** >>> >>> Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the >>> information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be >>> done. >>> Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us >>> all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from >>> COBirds.**** >>> >>> Charles Mills**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ARBirds Posting Guidelines **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> What Can Be Posted **** >>> >>> 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is *the sharing of bird >>> sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas >>> birds*. >>> 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is >>> considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare >>> is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field >>> List >>> for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the >>> name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as >>> “California >>> Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not >>> absolutely >>> certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or >>> “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the >>> interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly >>> delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining >>> to >>> plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have >>> a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, >>> either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase >>> or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. >>> If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the >>> landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable >>> conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are >>> reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird >>> Records >>> Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or >>> asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to >>> document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to >>> ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon >>> Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the >>> Arkansas Audubon Society: >>> http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php >>> 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so >>> that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds >>> you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may >>> specify >>> that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW >>> Arkansas Birding and Date”. >>> 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) >>> sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. >>> 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in >>> Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that >>> as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit >>> organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or >>> preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done >>> another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or >>> privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details >>> pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of >>> the Arkansas birding community be posted. >>> 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, >>> audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement >>> and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. >>> 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and >>> should be posted to ARBirds.**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? >>> 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be >>> attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through >>> attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow >>> Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download >>> a >>> message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture >>> or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your >>> post >>> or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. >>> 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. >>> 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. >>> what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) >>> 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not >>> allowed. >>> 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. >>> 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on >>> ARBirds are not allowed. >>> 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside >>> of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough >>> Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are >>> not >>> allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from >>> other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single >>> announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that >>> location. >>> 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you >>> have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. >>> 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal >>> from >>> the listserv. >>> >>> **** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >> >> > > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: David Quinn <quinnlabs AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:08:54 -0500 Great work. I just joined. Everyone should check it out! On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Kenny Nichols wrote: > Interestingly, I created just such a forum a few weeks ago. I've only told > a few people about it as I'm still tinkering with the settings and layout > and trying to decide if its worth pursuing. I've been a member of other > forums for years so I'm use to and like the format. Another advantage of > a forum is the ability to submit photos with your post. > > One of those that I'd told (Mitchell Pruitt) informed me that Dallas > Audubon has been using this format for years so there is precedent. > > If you want to check it out, go to: > http://arkansasbirders.proboards.com/ > > I'm open to suggestions (I'll even create a politics section if people > want) but, I'm no technical genius so don't be too harsh. > > Kenny Nichols > Cabot > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:13 AM, David Quinn wrote: > > Perhaps it's time to move on from a listserve to a forum. Web forums from > my other hobbies are much easier to follow and work with. We could have > subforums for all the various topics: > Rare sightings > Trip reports > Ecology > Bird ID help > Feeder talk > Hummingbirds (other than rarity reports) > etc. > Just a thought. > > David Quinn > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Jeffrey Short wrote: > >> I think I first heard about the Mt. Judea hog CAFO, and other important >> issues through ARBIRDS. New guidelines should allow complex threads for >> those that want to follow these issues—either here or elsewhere. This may >> be the stuff that will ultimately matter, even as our elected officials >> feign ignorance. [(I’ll be glad to share their responses off-listserv); I >> might add, in an non-political way, of course, that we not only need remove >> the elected officials, but also their staff who prepared their responses.)] >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> I’m not so interested in the common sightings ARBIRd, though I know that >> they—over time—will provide insights into what many of us (non-birthers) >> already know: we had better start putting your “stuff” into one sock >> ‘cause bad, or at least really adverse conditions, are coming to a zipcode >> near you within a generation or two.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Top five (today):**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Turk Plant sellout**** >> >> Hog CAFO nearby the Buffalo National River**** >> >> (antiquated) Pegasus Pipeine crossings of sensitive ecological areas >> across Arkansas**** >> >> Eminent domain for new powerlines in NW Arkansas and around Hot Springs** >> ** >> >> Upcoming lignite removal (strip-mining) in south central Arkansas**** >> >> **** >> >> Or maybe six:**** >> >> ADEQ economic blinders/incompetence. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Anyone got a seven+?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Jeff Short**** >> >> “What, me worry?”**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List [mailto: >> ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Donna Haynes >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:58 PM >> >> *To:* ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >> *Subject:* Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I for one read each and every post. During the day when I am busy, I >> check my email often and scan for possible rare bird or notable sightings. >> At night I sit and read all of the wonderful posts by so many different >> types of birders. I enjoy the beautifully and profound writing of some of >> the list subscribers. I love to read about what people see whether it be a >> pair of cardinals feeding their babies in their backyards or some Mega >> rarity that makes me giddy with excitement. I like to read unusual >> experiences that people have or observe with birds. I love to read about >> nests whether they are a majestic Bald Eagle or a tiny chickadee. I don't >> mind some guidelines and rules, but I would hate to see he list turn into >> one that is void of joy and wonder. >> Donna Haynes >> West Pulaski Co.**** >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android**** >> >> ** ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM>; >> *To: *; >> *Subject: *Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> *Sent: *Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:56:44 PM **** >> >> ** ** >> >> I can't believe some folks have to read through every single line of >> every single post to find out if it contains "anything of interest" to >> them. >> I also delete most of them after a quick scan. Who has the time? >> >> Additionally, instead of short infrequent lists of rare birds with the >> allowed pre-specified initials in the subject line, I would much rather >> read Herschel's ecstatic experiences, Joe's insightful and educational >> essays, David Arbour's amazing identifications, Janine's sensitive >> observations, Jerry's valuable habitat information, Bill's nature >> observations, Cindy's entertaining bird anecdotes, Mitchell's posts, tales >> of nearby prairies even if they are NOT in Arkansas or on the 'permitted >> list' of preserves, and stories about bluebirds and wrens nesting on the >> back porch - during nesting season!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Judith**** >> >> Ninestone**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, CK Franklin wrote:** >> ** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> ARBirds is fixing to become a much duller place if the proposed strict >> orthodoxy is applied. More's the pity if all of this comes to pass. >> >> Most email accounts allow for message sorting and ability to delete >> multiple messages at one time. >> >> >> Cindy >> Little Rock >> >> >> >> **** >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 >> From: joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU**** >> >> I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care >> so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far >> from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever >> being opened. **** >> >> **** >> >> I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super >> easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that I >> want to read.**** >> >> **** >> >> --Joan**** >> >> Rogers**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn >> wrote:**** >> >> Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the >> RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further >> info.**** >> >> DeLynn Hearn**** >> >> 317 West K St. **** >> >> N. Little Rock, AR 72116**** >> >> (501)472-8769(c)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Sent from my iPhone**** >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: >> **** >> >> In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And >> Charles has made an excellent start. >> >> But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would >> help to make clear that this is *not* the place to report every species >> that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what >> common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected >> season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal >> blog. >> >> The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives >> and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to >> the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas >> who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because >> reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. >> >> Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect >> of encouraging*more* solid content of broad interest. >> >> So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for >> appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have >> to take the time to do it for him/her individually. >> >> Bill Shepherd >> >> Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 >> Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com(501) 375-3918 >> **** >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 >> From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM >> Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU**** >> >> Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the >> information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. >> Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us >> all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from >> COBirds.**** >> >> Charles Mills**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ARBirds Posting Guidelines **** >> >> ** ** >> >> What Can Be Posted **** >> >> 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is *the sharing of bird >> sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas >> birds*. >> 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is >> considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare >> is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List >> for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the >> name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California >> Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely >> certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or >> “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the >> interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly >> delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to >> plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have >> a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, >> either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase >> or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. >> If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the >> landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable >> conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are >> reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records >> Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or >> asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to >> document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to >> ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon >> Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the >> Arkansas Audubon Society: >> http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php >> 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so >> that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds >> you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify >> that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW >> Arkansas Birding and Date”. >> 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) >> sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. >> 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in >> Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that >> as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit >> organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or >> preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done >> another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or >> privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details >> pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of >> the Arkansas birding community be posted. >> 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, >> audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement >> and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. >> 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and >> should be posted to ARBirds.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? >> 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be >> attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through >> attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow >> Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a >> message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture >> or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post >> or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. >> 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. >> 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. >> what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) >> 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not >> allowed. >> 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. >> 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on >> ARBirds are not allowed. >> 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside >> of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough >> Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not >> allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from >> other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single >> announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that >> location. >> 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you >> have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. >> 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from >> the listserv. >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> > > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Kenny Nichols <kingbird AT YMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:49:34 -0500 Interestingly, I created just such a forum a few weeks ago. I've only told a few people about it as I'm still tinkering with the settings and layout and trying to decide if its worth pursuing. I've been a member of other forums for years so I'm use to and like the format. Another advantage of a forum is the ability to submit photos with your post. One of those that I'd told (Mitchell Pruitt) informed me that Dallas Audubon has been using this format for years so there is precedent. If you want to check it out, go to: http://arkansasbirders.proboards.com/ I'm open to suggestions (I'll even create a politics section if people want) but, I'm no technical genius so don't be too harsh. Kenny Nichols Cabot Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:13 AM, David Quinn wrote: > Perhaps it's time to move on from a listserve to a forum. Web forums from my other hobbies are much easier to follow and work with. We could have subforums for all the various topics: > Rare sightings > Trip reports > Ecology > Bird ID help > Feeder talk > Hummingbirds (other than rarity reports) > etc. > Just a thought. > > David Quinn > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Jeffrey Short wrote: >> I think I first heard about the Mt. Judea hog CAFO, and other important issues through ARBIRDS. New guidelines should allow complex threads for those that want to follow these issues—either here or elsewhere. This may be the stuff that will ultimately matter, even as our elected officials feign ignorance. [(I’ll be glad to share their responses off-listserv); I might add, in an non-political way, of course, that we not only need remove the elected officials, but also their staff who prepared their responses.)] >> >> >> >> I’m not so interested in the common sightings ARBIRd, though I know that they—over time—will provide insights into what many of us (non-birthers) already know: we had better start putting your “stuff” into one sock â€�cause bad, or at least really adverse conditions, are coming to a zipcode near you within a generation or two. >> >> >> >> Top five (today): >> >> >> >> Turk Plant sellout >> >> Hog CAFO nearby the Buffalo National River >> >> (antiquated) Pegasus Pipeine crossings of sensitive ecological areas across Arkansas >> >> Eminent domain for new powerlines in NW Arkansas and around Hot Springs >> >> Upcoming lignite removal (strip-mining) in south central Arkansas >> >> >> Or maybe six: >> >> ADEQ economic blinders/incompetence. >> >> >> >> Anyone got a seven+? >> >> >> >> Jeff Short >> >> “What, me worry?” >> >> >> >> From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List [mailto:ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Donna Haynes >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:58 PM >> >> >> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >> Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> >> >> I for one read each and every post. During the day when I am busy, I check my email often and scan for possible rare bird or notable sightings. At night I sit and read all of the wonderful posts by so many different types of birders. I enjoy the beautifully and profound writing of some of the list subscribers. I love to read about what people see whether it be a pair of cardinals feeding their babies in their backyards or some Mega rarity that makes me giddy with excitement. I like to read unusual experiences that people have or observe with birds. I love to read about nests whether they are a majestic Bald Eagle or a tiny chickadee. I don't mind some guidelines and rules, but I would hate to see he list turn into one that is void of joy and wonder. >> Donna Haynes >> West Pulaski Co. >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >> >> >> >> From: Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM>; >> To: ; >> Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> Sent: Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:56:44 PM >> >> >> >> I can't believe some folks have to read through every single line of every single post to find out if it contains "anything of interest" to them. >> I also delete most of them after a quick scan. Who has the time? >> >> Additionally, instead of short infrequent lists of rare birds with the allowed pre-specified initials in the subject line, I would much rather read Herschel's ecstatic experiences, Joe's insightful and educational essays, David Arbour's amazing identifications, Janine's sensitive observations, Jerry's valuable habitat information, Bill's nature observations, Cindy's entertaining bird anecdotes, Mitchell's posts, tales of nearby prairies even if they are NOT in Arkansas or on the 'permitted list' of preserves, and stories about bluebirds and wrens nesting on the back porch - during nesting season! >> >> >> >> Judith >> >> Ninestone >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, CK Franklin wrote: >> >> >> >> >> ARBirds is fixing to become a much duller place if the proposed strict orthodoxy is applied. More's the pity if all of this comes to pass. >> >> Most email accounts allow for message sorting and ability to delete multiple messages at one time. >> >> >> Cindy >> Little Rock >> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 >> From: joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >> >> I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever being opened. >> >> >> >> I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that I want to read. >> >> >> >> --Joan >> >> Rogers >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn wrote: >> >> Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further info. >> >> DeLynn Hearn >> >> 317 West K St. >> >> N. Little Rock, AR 72116 >> >> (501)472-8769(c) >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: >> >> In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. >> >> But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. >> >> The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. >> >> Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouragingmore solid content of broad interest. >> >> So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. >> >> Bill Shepherd >> >> Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com(501) 375-3918 >> >> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 >> From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM >> Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >> >> Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. >> >> Charles Mills >> >> >> >> ARBirds Posting Guidelines >> >> >> >> What Can Be Posted >> >> 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. >> 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society:http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php >> 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. >> 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. >> 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. >> 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. >> 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. >> >> >> >> What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? >> 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. >> 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. >> 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) >> 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. >> 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. >> 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. >> 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. >> 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. >> 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: swamp_fox <swamp_fox AT MAC.COM> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:47:28 -0500 Actually, thanks to the efforts and progressive thinking of Kenny Nichols, something like this already exists. It's a recently begun work in progress so I'm sure that it can and will be tweaked further but it already holds tremendous promise. For example, adiscussion "board" not there yet that I would love to see added would be one in which people could submit photos for identification. Those on dial-up internet would not have their access hindered by the mandatory downloading of unnecessarily large files as is presently the case on ARBirds or any other listserv. They could optionally view the images or not. Their choice. This link ought to take you to the ArkansasBirds.net homepage: http://arkansasbirders.proboards.com Do yourself a favor and take a look. Charles Mills On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:13 AM, David Quinn wrote: > Perhaps it's time to move on from a listserve to a forum. Web forums from my other hobbies are much easier to follow and work with. We could have subforums for all the various topics: > Rare sightings > Trip reports > Ecology > Bird ID help > Feeder talk > Hummingbirds (other than rarity reports) > etc. > Just a thought. > > David Quinn > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Jeffrey Short wrote: > I think I first heard about the Mt. Judea hog CAFO, and other important issues through ARBIRDS. New guidelines should allow complex threads for those that want to follow these issues—either here or elsewhere. This may be the stuff that will ultimately matter, even as our elected officials feign ignorance. [(I’ll be glad to share their responses off-listserv); I might add, in an non-political way, of course, that we not only need remove the elected officials, but also their staff who prepared their responses.)] > > > > I’m not so interested in the common sightings ARBIRd, though I know that they—over time—will provide insights into what many of us (non-birthers) already know: we had better start putting your “stuff” into one sock ‘cause bad, or at least really adverse conditions, are coming to a zipcode near you within a generation or two. > > > > Top five (today): > > > > Turk Plant sellout > > Hog CAFO nearby the Buffalo National River > > (antiquated) Pegasus Pipeine crossings of sensitive ecological areas across Arkansas > > Eminent domain for new powerlines in NW Arkansas and around Hot Springs > > Upcoming lignite removal (strip-mining) in south central Arkansas > > > Or maybe six: > > ADEQ economic blinders/incompetence. > > > > Anyone got a seven+? > > > > Jeff Short > > “What, me worry?” > > > > From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List [mailto:ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Donna Haynes > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:58 PM > > > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > > > > > I for one read each and every post. During the day when I am busy, I check my email often and scan for possible rare bird or notable sightings. At night I sit and read all of the wonderful posts by so many different types of birders. I enjoy the beautifully and profound writing of some of the list subscribers. I love to read about what people see whether it be a pair of cardinals feeding their babies in their backyards or some Mega rarity that makes me giddy with excitement. I like to read unusual experiences that people have or observe with birds. I love to read about nests whether they are a majestic Bald Eagle or a tiny chickadee. I don't mind some guidelines and rules, but I would hate to see he list turn into one that is void of joy and wonder. > Donna Haynes > West Pulaski Co. > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > > > From: Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM>; > To: ; > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > Sent: Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:56:44 PM > > > > I can't believe some folks have to read through every single line of every single post to find out if it contains "anything of interest" to them. > I also delete most of them after a quick scan. Who has the time? > > Additionally, instead of short infrequent lists of rare birds with the allowed pre-specified initials in the subject line, I would much rather read Herschel's ecstatic experiences, Joe's insightful and educational essays, David Arbour's amazing identifications, Janine's sensitive observations, Jerry's valuable habitat information, Bill's nature observations, Cindy's entertaining bird anecdotes, Mitchell's posts, tales of nearby prairies even if they are NOT in Arkansas or on the 'permitted list' of preserves, and stories about bluebirds and wrens nesting on the back porch - during nesting season! > > > > Judith > > Ninestone > > > > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, CK Franklin wrote: > > > > > ARBirds is fixing to become a much duller place if the proposed strict orthodoxy is applied. More's the pity if all of this comes to pass. > > Most email accounts allow for message sorting and ability to delete multiple messages at one time. > > > Cindy > Little Rock > > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 > From: joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever being opened. > > > > I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that I want to read. > > > > --Joan > > Rogers > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn wrote: > > Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further info. > > DeLynn Hearn > > 317 West K St. > > N. Little Rock, AR 72116 > > (501)472-8769(c) > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: > > In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. > > But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. > > The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. > > Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouragingmore solid content of broad interest. > > So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. > > Bill Shepherd > > Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com(501) 375-3918 > > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 > From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM > Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. > > Charles Mills > > > > ARBirds Posting Guidelines > > > > What Can Be Posted > > 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. > 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society:http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php > 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. > 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. > 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. > 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. > 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. > > > > What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? > 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. > 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. > 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) > 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. > 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. > 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. > 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. > 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. > 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: David Quinn <quinnlabs AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:13:41 -0500 Perhaps it's time to move on from a listserve to a forum. Web forums from my other hobbies are much easier to follow and work with. We could have subforums for all the various topics: Rare sightings Trip reports Ecology Bird ID help Feeder talk Hummingbirds (other than rarity reports) etc. Just a thought. David Quinn On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Jeffrey Short wrote: > I think I first heard about the Mt. Judea hog CAFO, and other important > issues through ARBIRDS. New guidelines should allow complex threads for > those that want to follow these issues—either here or elsewhere. This may > be the stuff that will ultimately matter, even as our elected officials > feign ignorance. [(I’ll be glad to share their responses off-listserv); I > might add, in an non-political way, of course, that we not only need remove > the elected officials, but also their staff who prepared their responses.)] > **** > > ** ** > > I’m not so interested in the common sightings ARBIRd, though I know that > they—over time—will provide insights into what many of us (non-birthers) > already know: we had better start putting your “stuff” into one sock > ‘cause bad, or at least really adverse conditions, are coming to a zipcode > near you within a generation or two.**** > > ** ** > > Top five (today):**** > > ** ** > > Turk Plant sellout**** > > Hog CAFO nearby the Buffalo National River**** > > (antiquated) Pegasus Pipeine crossings of sensitive ecological areas > across Arkansas**** > > Eminent domain for new powerlines in NW Arkansas and around Hot Springs*** > * > > Upcoming lignite removal (strip-mining) in south central Arkansas**** > > **** > > Or maybe six:**** > > ADEQ economic blinders/incompetence. **** > > ** ** > > Anyone got a seven+?**** > > ** ** > > Jeff Short**** > > “What, me worry?”**** > > ** ** > > *From:* The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List [mailto: > ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Donna Haynes > *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:58 PM > > *To:* ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > *Subject:* Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds**** > > ** ** > > I for one read each and every post. During the day when I am busy, I check > my email often and scan for possible rare bird or notable sightings. At > night I sit and read all of the wonderful posts by so many different types > of birders. I enjoy the beautifully and profound writing of some of the > list subscribers. I love to read about what people see whether it be a pair > of cardinals feeding their babies in their backyards or some Mega rarity > that makes me giddy with excitement. I like to read unusual experiences > that people have or observe with birds. I love to read about nests whether > they are a majestic Bald Eagle or a tiny chickadee. I don't mind some > guidelines and rules, but I would hate to see he list turn into one that is > void of joy and wonder. > Donna Haynes > West Pulaski Co.**** > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM>; > *To: *; > *Subject: *Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > *Sent: *Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:56:44 PM **** > > ** ** > > I can't believe some folks have to read through every single line of every > single post to find out if it contains "anything of interest" to them. > I also delete most of them after a quick scan. Who has the time? > > Additionally, instead of short infrequent lists of rare birds with the > allowed pre-specified initials in the subject line, I would much rather > read Herschel's ecstatic experiences, Joe's insightful and educational > essays, David Arbour's amazing identifications, Janine's sensitive > observations, Jerry's valuable habitat information, Bill's nature > observations, Cindy's entertaining bird anecdotes, Mitchell's posts, tales > of nearby prairies even if they are NOT in Arkansas or on the 'permitted > list' of preserves, and stories about bluebirds and wrens nesting on the > back porch - during nesting season!**** > > ** ** > > Judith**** > > Ninestone**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, CK Franklin wrote:*** > * > > > > **** > > ARBirds is fixing to become a much duller place if the proposed strict > orthodoxy is applied. More's the pity if all of this comes to pass. > > Most email accounts allow for message sorting and ability to delete > multiple messages at one time. > > > Cindy > Little Rock > > > > **** > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 > From: joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU**** > > I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care > so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far > from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever > being opened. **** > > **** > > I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super > easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that I > want to read.**** > > **** > > --Joan**** > > Rogers**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn > wrote:**** > > Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the > RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further > info.**** > > DeLynn Hearn**** > > 317 West K St. **** > > N. Little Rock, AR 72116**** > > (501)472-8769(c)**** > > ** ** > > Sent from my iPhone**** > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote:* > *** > > In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And > Charles has made an excellent start. > > But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would > help to make clear that this is *not* the place to report every species > that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what > common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected > season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal > blog. > > The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and > don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person > posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't > subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd > posts can be so very time-consuming. > > Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect > of encouraging*more* solid content of broad interest. > > So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for > appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have > to take the time to do it for him/her individually. > > Bill Shepherd > > Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 > Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com(501) 375-3918 > **** > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 > From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM > Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU**** > > Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the > information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. > Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us > all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from > COBirds.**** > > Charles Mills**** > > ** ** > > ARBirds Posting Guidelines **** > > ** ** > > What Can Be Posted **** > > 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is *the sharing of bird > sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas > birds*. > 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is > considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare > is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List > for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the > name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California > Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely > certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or > “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the > interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly > delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to > plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have > a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, > either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase > or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. > If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the > landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable > conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are > reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records > Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or > asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to > document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to > ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon > Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the > Arkansas Audubon Society:http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php > 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so > that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds > you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify > that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW > Arkansas Birding and Date”. > 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) > sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. > 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in > Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that > as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit > organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or > preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done > another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or > privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details > pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of > the Arkansas birding community be posted. > 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, > audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement > and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. > 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and > should be posted to ARBirds.**** > > ** ** > > What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? > 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached > to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments > and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet > connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message > with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or > pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or > offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. > 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. > 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. > what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) > 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. > 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. > 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on > ARBirds are not allowed. > 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of > Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough > Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not > allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from > other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single > announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that > location. > 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you > have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. > 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from > the listserv. > > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > Subject: Re: Dan's letter "Fallacious reasoning" From: Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:27:09 -0500 Excellent letter! I was certainly aware of poachers, but not of wildlife paparrazzi before this was pointed out. Thanks to Dan and Barry. J On Jun 14, 2013, at 6:59 AM, Craig Provost wrote: > Well reasoned and well written! > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 23:55, Barry Haas wrote: > >> Dear ARBIRDers, >> >> Audubon Arkansas ornithologist Dan Scheiman's letter in Wednesday's Arkansas Democrat in response to the May 30 column by Bryan Hendricks titled "Next to feral cats, birdwatchers might be the greatest threat to wild nesting birds" is below. Good letter, Dan. >> >> Note- borrowing and reprinting without permission entire articles from publications like the ArDem is illegal, a violation of copyright laws, but Dan's letter was submitted to them and it's my understanding is not copyrighted material. >> >> Barry Haas >> >> >> Fallacious reasoning >> >> The logic in Bryan Hendricks’ opinion piece on limiting wildlife interaction is questionable at best and destructive at worst. He makes a generalization fallacy by using the specific case of overzealous and unethical photography guides at a breeding colony in Tampa Bay, Fla., to suggest that all wildlife watchers may be harmful to wildlife. >> >> Colonial breeding waterbirds are indeed sensitive to disturbance, which is why the National Audubon Society is working hard to protect rookeries and beach nests in Florida and elsewhere. If a rookery occurs on a Wildlife Management Area in Arkansas, it should be protected from intrusion. But to say that promoting hiking, birding, photography, etc., conflicts with the Game and Fish Commission’s mission is a sweeping generalization without merit. >> >> Contrary to Mr. Hendricks’ statement, the effects of nonconsumptive activities on wildlife have been well-studied. Researchers have investigated the conservation and societal benefits of nature tourism, as well as the ways to minimize harm. The North American Nature Photography Association and the American Birding Association each have a code of ethics regarding interactions with wildlife, as does the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission. In my experience, most photographers and birders follow these guidelines. A few photography profiteers do not represent birders or the nature tourism industry, just as poachers do not epitomize hunters. >> >> It is a shame that the piece seeks to promote divisions when all who love and enjoy using the outdoors should unite to protect it. >> >> DAN SCHEIMAN >> >> Little Rock >> Subject: Re: Dan's letter "Fallacious reasoning" From: Craig Provost <craig-daleprovost AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 06:59:58 -0500 Well reasoned and well written! On Jun 13, 2013, at 23:55, Barry Haas wrote: > Dear ARBIRDers, > > Audubon Arkansas ornithologist Dan Scheiman's letter in Wednesday's Arkansas Democrat in response to the May 30 column by Bryan Hendricks titled "Next to feral cats, birdwatchers might be the greatest threat to wild nesting birds" is below. Good letter, Dan. > > Note- borrowing and reprinting without permission entire articles from publications like the ArDem is illegal, a violation of copyright laws, but Dan's letter was submitted to them and it's my understanding is not copyrighted material. > > Barry Haas > > > Fallacious reasoning > > The logic in Bryan Hendricks’ opinion piece on limiting wildlife interaction is questionable at best and destructive at worst. He makes a generalization fallacy by using the specific case of overzealous and unethical photography guides at a breeding colony in Tampa Bay, Fla., to suggest that all wildlife watchers may be harmful to wildlife. > > Colonial breeding waterbirds are indeed sensitive to disturbance, which is why the National Audubon Society is working hard to protect rookeries and beach nests in Florida and elsewhere. If a rookery occurs on a Wildlife Management Area in Arkansas, it should be protected from intrusion. But to say that promoting hiking, birding, photography, etc., conflicts with the Game and Fish Commission’s mission is a sweeping generalization without merit. > > Contrary to Mr. Hendricks’ statement, the effects of nonconsumptive activities on wildlife have been well-studied. Researchers have investigated the conservation and societal benefits of nature tourism, as well as the ways to minimize harm. The North American Nature Photography Association and the American Birding Association each have a code of ethics regarding interactions with wildlife, as does the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission. In my experience, most photographers and birders follow these guidelines. A few photography profiteers do not represent birders or the nature tourism industry, just as poachers do not epitomize hunters. > > It is a shame that the piece seeks to promote divisions when all who love and enjoy using the outdoors should unite to protect it. > > DAN SCHEIMAN > > Little Rock Subject: Dan's letter "Fallacious reasoning" From: Barry Haas <bhaas AT SBCGLOBAL.NET> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:55:32 -0500 Dear ARBIRDers, Audubon Arkansas ornithologist Dan Scheiman's letter in Wednesday's Arkansas Democrat in response to the May 30 column by Bryan Hendricks titled "Next to feral cats, birdwatchers might be the greatest threat to wild nesting birds" is below. Good letter, Dan. Note- borrowing and reprinting without permission entire articles from publications like the ArDem is illegal, a violation of copyright laws, but Dan's letter was submitted to them and it's my understanding is not copyrighted material. Barry Haas Fallacious reasoning The logic in Bryan Hendricks’ opinion piece on limiting wildlife interaction is questionable at best and destructive at worst. He makes a generalization fallacy by using the specific case of overzealous and unethical photography guides at a breeding colony in Tampa Bay, Fla., to suggest that all wildlife watchers may be harmful to wildlife. Colonial breeding waterbirds are indeed sensitive to disturbance, which is why the National Audubon Society is working hard to protect rookeries and beach nests in Florida and elsewhere. If a rookery occurs on a Wildlife Management Area in Arkansas, it should be protected from intrusion. But to say that promoting hiking, birding, photography, etc., conflicts with the Game and Fish Commission’s mission is a sweeping generalization without merit. Contrary to Mr. Hendricks’ statement, the effects of nonconsumptive activities on wildlife have been well-studied. Researchers have investigated the conservation and societal benefits of nature tourism, as well as the ways to minimize harm. The North American Nature Photography Association and the American Birding Association each have a code of ethics regarding interactions with wildlife, as does the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission. In my experience, most photographers and birders follow these guidelines. A few photography profiteers do not represent birders or the nature tourism industry, just as poachers do not epitomize hunters. It is a shame that the piece seeks to promote divisions when all who love and enjoy using the outdoors should unite to protect it. DAN SCHEIMAN Little Rock Subject: Re: Politician eats bird caught by cat! From: Jack and Pam <jackstewart_us AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:03:20 -0700 Just kidding. Here is how you sign-up for the Fellowship of the Wings discussion list.  There are currently 38 members.    In the "To" box of your email program put     Leave the subject blank In the body write  "Subscribe fellowshipofwings Your first name Your last name" Write nothing else.  You are communicating with a computer which doesn't care what bird you saw or who you voted for in the last election. If you have problems send me an email and I'll add you to the list manually. We could, following up on Jeff's suggestion, announce something here on Arbird and then conduct further discussion on the fellowship list. Jack Stewart Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Jeffrey Short <bashman AT EARTHLINK.NET> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:58:18 -0500 I think I first heard about the Mt. Judea hog CAFO, and other important issues through ARBIRDS. New guidelines should allow complex threads for those that want to follow these issues—either here or elsewhere. This may be the stuff that will ultimately matter, even as our elected officials feign ignorance. [(I’ll be glad to share their responses off-listserv); I might add, in an non-political way, of course, that we not only need remove the elected officials, but also their staff who prepared their responses.)] I’m not so interested in the common sightings ARBIRd, though I know that they—over time—will provide insights into what many of us (non-birthers) already know: we had better start putting your “stuff” into one sock â€�cause bad, or at least really adverse conditions, are coming to a zipcode near you within a generation or two. Top five (today): Turk Plant sellout Hog CAFO nearby the Buffalo National River (antiquated) Pegasus Pipeine crossings of sensitive ecological areas across Arkansas Eminent domain for new powerlines in NW Arkansas and around Hot Springs Upcoming lignite removal (strip-mining) in south central Arkansas Or maybe six: ADEQ economic blinders/incompetence. Anyone got a seven+? Jeff Short “What, me worry?” From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List [mailto:ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Donna Haynes Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:58 PM To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds I for one read each and every post. During the day when I am busy, I check my email often and scan for possible rare bird or notable sightings. At night I sit and read all of the wonderful posts by so many different types of birders. I enjoy the beautifully and profound writing of some of the list subscribers. I love to read about what people see whether it be a pair of cardinals feeding their babies in their backyards or some Mega rarity that makes me giddy with excitement. I like to read unusual experiences that people have or observe with birds. I love to read about nests whether they are a majestic Bald Eagle or a tiny chickadee. I don't mind some guidelines and rules, but I would hate to see he list turn into one that is void of joy and wonder. Donna Haynes West Pulaski Co. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _____ From: Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM>; To: ; Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds Sent: Thu, Jun 13, 2013 11:56:44 PM I can't believe some folks have to read through every single line of every single post to find out if it contains "anything of interest" to them. I also delete most of them after a quick scan. Who has the time? Additionally, instead of short infrequent lists of rare birds with the allowed pre-specified initials in the subject line, I would much rather read Herschel's ecstatic experiences, Joe's insightful and educational essays, David Arbour's amazing identifications, Janine's sensitive observations, Jerry's valuable habitat information, Bill's nature observations, Cindy's entertaining bird anecdotes, Mitchell's posts, tales of nearby prairies even if they are NOT in Arkansas or on the 'permitted list' of preserves, and stories about bluebirds and wrens nesting on the back porch - during nesting season! Judith Ninestone On Jun 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, CK Franklin > wrote: ARBirds is fixing to become a much duller place if the proposed strict orthodoxy is applied. More's the pity if all of this comes to pass. Most email accounts allow for message sorting and ability to delete multiple messages at one time. Cindy Little Rock _____ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 From: joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever being opened. I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that I want to read. --Joan Rogers On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn > wrote: Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further info. DeLynn Hearn 317 West K St. N. Little Rock, AR 72116 (501)472-8769(c) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd > wrote: In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouragingmore solid content of broad interest. So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. Bill Shepherd Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 _____ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. Charles Mills ARBirds Posting Guidelines What Can Be Posted 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society:http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: "George R. Hoelzeman" <vogel AT GRHSTUDIOS.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:55:11 -0500 I don't even read that far. I just look at the subject line and if that doesn't pique my interest I just delete. If it says joeneal in the 'from' line I'll read it even if I'm not interested in the subject since Joe's writing is worth the read. ;) George (n. Conway Co. watching Chuck-Will's Widows in the headlights, which is of interest to no one but himself and some insects). On 6/13/2013 6:56 PM, Judy & Don wrote: > I can't believe some folks have to read through every single line of > every single post to find out if it contains "anything of interest" to > them. > I also delete most of them after a quick scan. Who has the time -- George R. Hoelzeman North Conway County Subject: Re: Cooper's Hawk nest update From: fsbirdlady AT YAHOO.COM Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:52:24 -0500 I watched the coolest PBS show on hummingbirds. Apparently Black-chinned Hummers in NM build their nests in the same vicinity, like a cluster. And in the middle of this area, a Coopers Hawk will nest. The Cooper's prey are all the critters that might eat the hummers tiny eggs and babies. But hummers are too little, and too quick, for hawks to mess with. The hummers have learned that they are protected. The Cooper's unintentionally aid the hummers. So cool. Love your pics. Sandy B. Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Gail Miller wrote: > The hawks are feeding chicks. The female, the larger of the two, seems to stay at the nest while the male, smaller of the two, brought food late this afternoon (after work). > > A few new photos here: http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/coopers_hawk_nest > > Gail Miller > Conway - Faulkner Co. - AR > See my recent photos at http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/root&view=recent > See my photography at: http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/root > > "Don't forget what your failures have taught you or else you'll learn them all over again." Dan Fogelberg 1951 - 2007 Subject: The list serve From: "Jonathan C. Perry" <jperry AT UARK.EDU> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:42:54 +0000 I have mostly watched quietly as this debate has played out. I have my opinions, as do so many of us; frankly, I don't think they much matter. The owner of the list is Kim Smith, who I know and trust, so whatever he decides is okay with me. I think it should be the list he wants it to be; he's doing the work. If it ends up being something enough of us want to be elsewhere, then somebody start a different list, or blog, or whatever. The web is cheap in terms of access, and as people have indicated, they'll attend to what matters to them. The market prevails. I love hearing about unusual or vagrant bird sightings; I love the essays; I even love the arguments. But the list is Kim's. We get sort of out of control as a conversational community sometimes. Our personalties emerge (I'm a clinical psychologist), mostly benignly but occasionally unattractively. Kim gets to decide. I stand by him. Subject: Cooper's Hawk nest update From: Gail Miller <gail.miller AT CONWAYCORP.NET> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:37:06 -0500 The hawks are feeding chicks. The female, the larger of the two, seems to stay at the nest while the male, smaller of the two, brought food late this afternoon (after work). A few new photos here: http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/coopers_hawk_nest Gail Miller Conway - Faulkner Co. - AR See my recent photos at http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/root&view=recent See my photography at: http://www.pbase.com/gnmimiller/root "Don't forget what your failures have taught you or else you'll learn them all over again." Dan Fogelberg 1951 - 2007 Subject: Great Blue and The ListServ From: Sara Caulk <sara_caulk AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:19:52 -0700 I love the delete button.. In a world where so many things are beyond our contorl, it's such a powerful feeling to just make something disappear.... POOF  Go ahead delete this post...   BTW, we've had a Great Blue Heron snacking on the goldfish in the pond. He's managed to get 3 so far and the fish are a bit traumatized.   It's fun to watch him skulking around trying to be invisible..   Sara Mt. Sequoyah, Fayetteville   POOF. Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Rick Farrar <sundogshadow AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:35:39 -0500 Yeah, I'm with Judy, for all the same reasons, in case we're taking a poll here. :-) Rick Farrar On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM> wrote: > I can't believe some folks have to read through every single line of every single post to find out if it contains "anything of interest" to them. > I also delete most of them after a quick scan. Who has the time? > > Additionally, instead of short infrequent lists of rare birds with the allowed pre-specified initials in the subject line, I would much rather read Herschel's ecstatic experiences, Joe's insightful and educational essays, David Arbour's amazing identifications, Janine's sensitive observations, Jerry's valuable habitat information, Bill's nature observations, Cindy's entertaining bird anecdotes, Mitchell's posts, tales of nearby prairies even if they are NOT in Arkansas or on the 'permitted list' of preserves, and stories about bluebirds and wrens nesting on the back porch - during nesting season! > > Judith > Ninestone > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, CK Franklin wrote: > >> ARBirds is fixing to become a much duller place if the proposed strict orthodoxy is applied. More's the pity if all of this comes to pass. >> >> Most email accounts allow for message sorting and ability to delete multiple messages at one time. >> >> >> Cindy >> Little Rock >> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 >> From: joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >> >> I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever being opened. >> >> I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that I want to read. >> >> --Joan >> Rogers >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn wrote: >> Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further info. >> >> DeLynn Hearn >> 317 West K St. >> N. Little Rock, AR 72116 >> (501)472-8769(c) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: >> >> In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. >> >> But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. >> >> The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. >> >> Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouragingmore solid content of broad interest. >> >> So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. >> >> Bill Shepherd >> >> Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com(501) 375-3918 >> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 >> From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM >> Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >> >> Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. >> Charles Mills >> >> ARBirds Posting Guidelines >> >> What Can Be Posted >> 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. >> 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society:http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php >> 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. >> 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. >> 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. >> 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. >> 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. >> >> What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? >> 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. >> 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. >> 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) >> 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. >> 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. >> 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. >> 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. >> 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. >> 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Elizabeth Shores <efshores AT SWBELL.NET> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:58:18 -0500 Hear, hear. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM> wrote: > I can't believe some folks have to read through every single line of every single post to find out if it contains "anything of interest" to them. > I also delete most of them after a quick scan. Who has the time? > > Additionally, instead of short infrequent lists of rare birds with the allowed pre-specified initials in the subject line, I would much rather read Herschel's ecstatic experiences, Joe's insightful and educational essays, David Arbour's amazing identifications, Janine's sensitive observations, Jerry's valuable habitat information, Bill's nature observations, Cindy's entertaining bird anecdotes, Mitchell's posts, tales of nearby prairies even if they are NOT in Arkansas or on the 'permitted list' of preserves, and stories about bluebirds and wrens nesting on the back porch - during nesting season! > > Judith > Ninestone > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, CK Franklin wrote: > >> ARBirds is fixing to become a much duller place if the proposed strict orthodoxy is applied. More's the pity if all of this comes to pass. >> >> Most email accounts allow for message sorting and ability to delete multiple messages at one time. >> >> >> Cindy >> Little Rock >> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 >> From: joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM >> Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >> >> I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever being opened. >> >> I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that I want to read. >> >> --Joan >> Rogers >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn wrote: >> Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further info. >> >> DeLynn Hearn >> 317 West K St. >> N. Little Rock, AR 72116 >> (501)472-8769(c) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: >> >> In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. >> >> But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. >> >> The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. >> >> Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouragingmore solid content of broad interest. >> >> So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. >> >> Bill Shepherd >> >> Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com(501) 375-3918 >> >> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 >> From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM >> Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds >> To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU >> >> Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. >> Charles Mills >> >> ARBirds Posting Guidelines >> >> What Can Be Posted >> 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. >> 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society:http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php >> 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. >> 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. >> 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. >> 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. >> 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. >> >> What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? >> 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. >> 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. >> 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) >> 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. >> 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. >> 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. >> 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. >> 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. >> 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Donna Haynes <birdiehaynes AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:57:56 -0700 I for one read each and every post.  During the day when I am busy, I check my email often and scan for possible rare bird or notable sightings.  At night I sit and read all of the wonderful posts by so many different types of birders.  I enjoy the beautifully and profound writing of some of the list subscribers.  I love to read about what people see whether it be a pair of cardinals feeding their babies in their backyards or some Mega rarity that makes me giddy with excitement.  I like to read unusual experiences that people have or observe with birds.  I love to read about nests whether they are a majestic Bald Eagle or a tiny chickadee.  I don't mind some guidelines and rules, but I would hate to see he list turn into one that is void of joy and wonder.  Donna Haynes West Pulaski Co. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android Subject: Re: baby bird photo From: Janine Perlman <jpandjf AT SWBELL.NET> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:39:09 -0500 The bird still has an egg tooth (so it just hatched) but is feathered, has eyes open, and is upright, so is precocial and not altricial (passerines are of course altricial). Thus it's not even distantly related to crows. I don't know what it is, but assuming it's not a product of photoshopping, I'd guess it's not North American. Get out the image-analysis app! :) -Janine On 6/13/2013 10:40 AM, Judy & Don wrote: > This article begins with a picture of a "cute baby crow" that does NOT > look like any a baby crow I have ever seen. It doesn't have a baby > bird bill, and look at those feet! WHAT is it? > > http://www.buzzfeed.com/meganm15/reasons-why-the-crow-will-be-your-new-favorite-ani-3f0z > > The author of the article is attempting to encourage admiration of > crows, but her information and photos are unsettling to me in their > anecdotal inaccuracy. I see Ravens, young Carrion Crows and maybe some > Rooks, and if only I could find my book on Corvidae... where did I put > that? > > Unfortunately this is one illustration of how far our world has > departed from the Natural. Maybe I'm being too picky, but I admire the > accuracy of the biologists and other naturalists I know when it comes > to identification and knowledge. > > So can anyone tell me what the first little fuzzy bird is? > > Thanks, > > Judith > Ninestone > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Judy & Don <9waterfall9 AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:56:44 -0500 I can't believe some folks have to read through every single line of every single post to find out if it contains "anything of interest" to them. I also delete most of them after a quick scan. Who has the time? Additionally, instead of short infrequent lists of rare birds with the allowed pre-specified initials in the subject line, I would much rather read Herschel's ecstatic experiences, Joe's insightful and educational essays, David Arbour's amazing identifications, Janine's sensitive observations, Jerry's valuable habitat information, Bill's nature observations, Cindy's entertaining bird anecdotes, Mitchell's posts, tales of nearby prairies even if they are NOT in Arkansas or on the 'permitted list' of preserves, and stories about bluebirds and wrens nesting on the back porch - during nesting season! Judith Ninestone On Jun 13, 2013, at 5:58 PM, CK Franklin wrote: > ARBirds is fixing to become a much duller place if the proposed strict orthodoxy is applied. More's the pity if all of this comes to pass. > > Most email accounts allow for message sorting and ability to delete multiple messages at one time. > > > Cindy > Little Rock > > > > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 > From: joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever being opened. > > I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that I want to read. > > --Joan > Rogers > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn wrote: > Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further info. > > DeLynn Hearn > 317 West K St. > N. Little Rock, AR 72116 > (501)472-8769(c) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: > > In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. > > But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. > > The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. > > Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouragingmore solid content of broad interest. > > So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. > > Bill Shepherd > > Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com(501) 375-3918 > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 > From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM > Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. > Charles Mills > > ARBirds Posting Guidelines > > What Can Be Posted > 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. > 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society:http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php > 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. > 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. > 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. > 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. > 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. > > What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? > 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. > 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. > 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) > 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. > 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. > 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. > 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. > 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. > 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. > > > > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Holly Childs <hollychilds AT ME.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:37:16 -0500 My first question about proposed guidelines is: Will these guidelines permit the publication of Joe Neal's essays? If so, good. If not, let's try again. Holly Childs 1126 Reed Valley Rd. Fayetteville AR 72704-5976 479-571-1727 On Jun 13, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: > In my opinion, it would be best merely to put that kind of stuff in an attached and labeled file. That way I don't have to read all the way through it to learn that it contains nothing of interest to me. > > In other words, post only a brief, descriptive line. Those interested can pursue it while those not interested don't need to. > > Bill > > Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:23:55 -0500 > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > From: akcmueller AT gmail.com > To: stoneax63 AT hotmail.com > CC: ARBIRD-L AT listserv.uark.edu > > For what its worth, I disagre with items 4 and 7. Item 4 - political messages, no; environmental issues relavant to birds, yes. I do agree that if the discussion becomes prolonged it should be moved off AR-Bird, but routine environmental issues should be OK. > > Item 7 - why not let folks list the birds they saw somewhere else? If you don't want to read it, delete. Some people enjoy sharing their adventures. > > Allan Mueller > > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: > In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. > > But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this isnot the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. > > The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. > > Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouraging more solid content of broad interest. > > So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. > > Bill Shepherd > > Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 > > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 > From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM > Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > > Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. > Charles Mills > > ARBirds Posting Guidelines > > What Can Be Posted > 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. > 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society:http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php > 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. > 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. > 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. > 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. > 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. > > What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? > 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. > 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. > 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) > 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. > 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. > 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. > 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. > 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. > 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. > > > > > > -- > Allan Mueller > 20 Moseley Lane > Conway, AR 72032 > 501-327-8952 home > 501-339-8071 cell > > > "I ain't never did no wrong." > Elvis Presley in "One Night" > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: CK Franklin <meshoppen AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:58:57 -0500 ARBirds is fixing to become a much duller place if the proposed strict orthodoxy is applied. More's the pity if all of this comes to pass. Most email accounts allow for message sorting and ability to delete multiple messages at one time. Cindy Little Rock Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 From: joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever being opened. I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that I want to read. --Joan Rogers On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn wrote: Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further info. DeLynn Hearn317 West K St. N. Little Rock, AR 72116(501)472-8769(c) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouraging more solid content of broad interest. So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. Bill Shepherd Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. Charles Mills ARBirds Posting Guidelines What Can Be Posted 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society: http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Joan Reynolds <joanreynolds AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:57:44 -0500 I did not join ARBIRD-L for a very long time because I really don't care so much about rare bird sightings at Texarkana or most any where else far from home. Sorry, ya'll, but many of your posts go into trash without ever being opened. I would suggest you all try the delete key for yourselves. It is super easy and efficient, and best of all it lets me select only the posts that I want to read. --Joan Rogers On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, DeLynn Mearn wrote: > Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the > RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further > info. > > DeLynn Hearn > 317 West K St. > N. Little Rock, AR 72116 > (501)472-8769(c) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: > > In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And > Charles has made an excellent start. > > But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would > help to make clear that this is *not* the place to report every species > that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what > common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected > season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal > blog. > > The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and > don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person > posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't > subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd > posts can be so very time-consuming. > > Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect > of encouraging *more* solid content of broad interest. > > So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for > appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have > to take the time to do it for him/her individually. > > Bill Shepherd > > Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 > Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 > From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM > Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the > information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. > Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us > all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from > COBirds. > Charles Mills > > > ARBirds Posting Guidelines > > What Can Be Posted > > 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is *the sharing of bird > sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas > birds*. > > 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is > considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare > is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List > for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the > name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California > Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely > certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or > “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the > interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly > delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to > plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have > a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, > either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase > or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. > If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the > landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable > conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are > reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records > Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or > asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to > document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to > ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon > Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the > Arkansas Audubon Society: > http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php > > 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so > that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds > you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify > that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW > Arkansas Birding and Date”. > > 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) > sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. > > 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in > Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that > as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit > organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or > preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done > another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or > privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details > pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of > the Arkansas birding community be posted. > > 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, > audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement > and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. > > 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and > should be posted to ARBirds. > > What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? > > 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached > to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments > and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet > connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message > with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or > pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or > offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. > > 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. > > 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. > what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) > > 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. > > 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. > > 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on > ARBirds are not allowed. > > 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of > Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough > Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not > allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from > other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single > announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that > location. > > 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you > have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. > > 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from > the listserv. > > > Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: DeLynn Mearn <warblingvireo AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:50:29 -0700 Postings should include location, location, location! As I compile the RBA, I'm amazed at how often there is just "at my house" withno further info. DeLynn Hearn 317 West K St. N. Little Rock, AR 72116 (501)472-8769(c) Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouraging more solid content of broad interest. So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. Bill Shepherd Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. Charles Mills ARBirds Posting Guidelines What Can Be Posted 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society: http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Bill Shepherd <stoneax63 AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:03:41 -0500 In my opinion, it would be best merely to put that kind of stuff in an attached and labeled file. That way I don't have to read all the way through it to learn that it contains nothing of interest to me. In other words, post only a brief, descriptive line. Those interested can pursue it while those not interested don't need to. Bill Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:23:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: akcmueller AT gmail.com To: stoneax63 AT hotmail.com CC: ARBIRD-L AT listserv.uark.edu For what its worth, I disagre with items 4 and 7. Item 4 - political messages, no; environmental issues relavant to birds, yes. I do agree that if the discussion becomes prolonged it should be moved off AR-Bird, but routine environmental issues should be OK. Item 7 - why not let folks list the birds they saw somewhere else? If you don't want to read it, delete. Some people enjoy sharing their adventures. Allan Mueller On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouraging more solid content of broad interest. So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. Bill Shepherd Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. Charles Mills ARBirds Posting Guidelines What Can Be Posted 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society: http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. -- Allan Mueller 20 Moseley Lane Conway, AR 72032 501-327-8952 home 501-339-8071 cell "I ain't never did no wrong." Elvis Presley in "One Night" Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Jack and Pam <jackstewart_us AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:30:06 -0700 I'm in agreement with both Bill and Charles.  I would add that it is possible to arrange for a daily digest if you don't wish to receive individual postings.  To do this follow these steps: set listname digest Receive a daily digest of list email.  Replace the word "listname" with the name of a Listserv mailing list, for example, "set UARKList digest." You will receive one message daily containing all posts from that day. In the next posting on this list I'll remind those who are interested in how to join the Fellowship of the Wings list where discussion of conservation issues is welcome, but also where politeness reigns. Jack Stewart Newton County (870)715-0260 ________________________________ From: Bill Shepherd To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one.  And Charles has made an excellent start.   But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point.  It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season.  In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog.   The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them.  In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming.   Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouraging more solid content of broad interest.   So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually.   Bill Shepherd Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918   ________________________________ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Kindly forgive the formatting issues.  I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done.  Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. Charles Mills ARBirds Posting Guidelines  What Can Be Posted  1.     ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. 2.     Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted.  What is considered interesting or rare?  Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance.  Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post.  Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information.  Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post.  If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post.  Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them.  If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property.  Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting.  Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society.  Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society: http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php 3.     Trip details:  Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw.  If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. 4.     Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. 5.     Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization.  Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers.  It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. 6.     Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. 7.     Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? 1.     ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file.  As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. 2.     Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. 3.     Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) 4.     Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. 5.     Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. 6.     Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. 7.     Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed.  It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. 8.     “Test” message to the list are not permitted.  If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. 9.     Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Allan Mueller <akcmueller AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:23:55 -0500 For what its worth, I disagre with items 4 and 7. Item 4 - political messages, no; environmental issues relavant to birds, yes. I do agree that if the discussion becomes prolonged it should be moved off AR-Bird, but routine environmental issues should be OK. Item 7 - why not let folks list the birds they saw somewhere else? If you don't want to read it, delete. Some people enjoy sharing their adventures. Allan Mueller On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Bill Shepherd wrote: > In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And > Charles has made an excellent start. > > But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would > help to make clear that this is *not* the place to report every species > that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what > common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected > season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal > blog. > > The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and > don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person > posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't > subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd > posts can be so very time-consuming. > > Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect > of encouraging *more* solid content of broad interest. > > So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for > appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have > to take the time to do it for him/her individually. > > Bill Shepherd > > Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 > Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 > From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM > Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds > To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > > > Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the > information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. > Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us > all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from > COBirds. > Charles Mills > > > ARBirds Posting Guidelines > > What Can Be Posted > > 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is *the sharing of bird > sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas > birds*. > > 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is > considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare > is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List > for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the > name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California > Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely > certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or > “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the > interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly > delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to > plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have > a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, > either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase > or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. > If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the > landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable > conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are > reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records > Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or > asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to > document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to > ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon > Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the > Arkansas Audubon Society: > http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php > > 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so > that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds > you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify > that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW > Arkansas Birding and Date”. > > 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) > sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. > > 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in > Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that > as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit > organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or > preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done > another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or > privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details > pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of > the Arkansas birding community be posted. > > 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, > audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement > and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. > > 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and > should be posted to ARBirds. > > What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? > > 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached > to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments > and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet > connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message > with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or > pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or > offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. > > 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. > > 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. > what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) > > 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. > > 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. > > 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on > ARBirds are not allowed. > > 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of > Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough > Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not > allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from > other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single > announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that > location. > > 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you > have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. > > 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from > the listserv. > > > -- Allan Mueller 20 Moseley Lane Conway, AR 72032 501-327-8952 home 501-339-8071 cell "I ain't never did no wrong." Elvis Presley in "One Night" Subject: Re: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: Bill Shepherd <stoneax63 AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:53:45 -0500 In my estimation, the idea of posting guidelines is a good one. And Charles has made an excellent start. But I'd suggest a little elaboration on Charles's second point. It would help to make clear that this is not the place to report every species that you or your group saw on a field trip or--all things being equal--what common bird species are nesting on your home property at the expected season. In other words, this list should not serve as anyone's personal blog. The issue here is that lots of Arbird subscribers lead very busy lives and don't have time to read items that may be of interest only to the person posting them. In fact, we have some good birders in Arkansas who don't subscribe to Arbird-L for exactly that reason--because reading Aribrd posts can be so very time-consuming. Thus a good set of guidelines for Arbird-L could have the longterm effect of encouraging more solid content of broad interest. So we should ask every reporter to filter his/her own material for appropriateness before submitting it--so that we won't--all 400 of us--have to take the time to do it for him/her individually. Bill Shepherd Bill Shepherd 2805 Linden, Apt. 3 Little Rock, Arkansas 72205-5964 Stoneax63 AT hotmail.com (501) 375-3918 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 From: swamp_fox AT MAC.COM Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds.Charles Mills ARBirds Posting Guidelines What Can Be Posted 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds.2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society: http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”.4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants.5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted.6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site.7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds?1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them.2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited.3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.)4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed.5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed.6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed.7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location.8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager.9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. Subject: Re: more on Mt Magazine June 21-22 From: Don Simons <Don.Simons AT ARKANSAS.GOV> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:06:39 +0000 Thanks for the plug guys. For a list of activities scheduled for the butterfly fest go to: www.mountmagazinestatepark.com. Don From: The Birds of Arkansas Discussion List [mailto:ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph C. Neal Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:21 AM To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: [ARBIRD-L] more on Mt Magazine June 21-22 Mary Bess is too modest to tell us who Still on the Hill is -- just one of the finest groups recording and performing today, also members of her family, also veteran teachers in Arkansas Audubon Society's Halberg Ecology Camp! Also, not included in my note yesterday about hummingbird trapping and banding, the hummer team will present a PowerPoint presentation on hummingbirds Friday night from 7:00-9:00 PM. Time for lots of questions and discussion after the visual part is completed. A chance to meet and mingle with the Hummers R Us team in a relaxed environment. Key moving parts in all of this machinery is the couple that includes Don Simons from the park -- former President of Arkansas Audubon Society and discoverer of that impossible Gray-crowned Rosy-Finch in the park last year -- and Lori Spencer, of Arkansas Butterflies and Moths (Ozark Society Foundation, 2006). ________________________________ From: Mary Bess Mulhollan [marybess AT cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:33 AM To: Joseph C. Neal; ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.uark.edu Cc: RubyThroat AT AOL.COM Subject: Re: Its a miracle if we just take time to watch: hummers return to Mt Magazine June 21-22 To all Arbird list folks, My husband, Paige, and I have visited Bob and Martha Sargent's Hummer/Bird Study camp in Alabama twice and hate to leave each time. Adults and children are equally delighted with them, and Bob shares so much information about the birds that you never find in the books. This is an event everyone should have the pleasure of seeing. Thank you Mr. Magazine Butterfly Festival. A little note added, Still On the Hill will be entertaining Saturday evening at the Festival. Mary Bess Mulhollan ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph C. Neal To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.uark.edu Cc: RubyThroat AT AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:21 PM Subject: Its a miracle if we just take time to watch: hummers return to Mt Magazine June 21-22 BOB SARGENT of the Hummer/Bird Study Group -- AKA, Hummers R US -- and the hard working team including Martha Sargent and Tana Beasley, will be trapping and banding Ruby-throated Hummingbirds at Mt Magazine State Park Visitor's Center on Friday-Saturday, June 21-22. This is the same weekend as Mt Magazine's Butterfly Festival XVII. Y'all are invited. This is a come and go as you see fit program, from about 9 AM to 11 AM each day. Folks who come to the program can help if interested. Participants in hummer releases last year ranged from 5 to 80, plus a lot in between. Kids really got into the whole program. Sargent is author of the book Ruby-throated Hummingbird (Stackpole), various scientific papers, including coauthor in the prestigious Birds of North America Series. This is hands-on banding and allowing the rest of us watch and take part, as we see fit. Last year, hundreds of people, young and old, streamed in and out like a county fair. Attired in magnifying headgear, Bob presided in a comfortable and informal manner, while formally and systematically collecting weights, lengths, nesting status of each bird. Martha handled data sheets and Tana kept bringing in newly trapped birds. Most of us couldn't stay in our chairs and wound up crowding around three grams of emerald green fluff. With a hummer in hand, Bob explains "In this tiny brain half the size of a BB is all the information needed to build a nest and feed young hummers. That brain holds all the information concerning the habits of her successful ancestors . . . We get busy in our lives and don't notice what's going on around us," he continues. YOU can hold and release banded birds. A girl of 7 or 8 wanted to help. Grandpa said ok. "Don't let that monster rip off your hand," he joked. Suddenly and with buzz, the hummer was off. "It's a miracle, if we just take time to watch." That's Bob philosophizing. So here's a good chance for miracles, and coming to a place near us, in one of the state's most beautiful parks. There is no charge and everyone, all ages, is welcome. Subject: Potential posting guidelines for ARBirds From: swamp_fox <swamp_fox AT MAC.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:42 -0500 Kindly forgive the formatting issues. I just copied and pasted the information rather than post an attachment which isn't supposed to be done. Again, these suggested guidelines, which I think would be helpful to us all but especially new list subscribers, are modeled after those from COBirds. Charles Mills ARBirds Posting Guidelines What Can Be Posted 1. ARBirds is a listserv whose primary focus is the sharing of bird sightings and discussion about the distribution and occurrence of Arkansas birds. 2. Interesting or rare bird sightings may be posted. What is considered interesting or rare? Whatever you think is interesting or rare is acceptable, but refer to the current Arkansas Audubon Society Field List for guidance. Report you sighting to ARBirds as soon as possible with the name of the bird and its location in the subject line such as “California Gull at Delaware Bay Recreation Area on Lake Dardanelle” If not absolutely certain of your identification, indicate this by using “possible” or “probable” in your post. Mention as much as you can about the interesting/rare bird: date, time, plumage, sex and age, but do not unduly delay your initial post to include this information. Details pertaining to plumage, sex, age, etc. can be provided in a subsequent post. If you have a photo or photos available, DO NOT include them with your post. Instead, either include a link to the uploaded photos on a site like Flikr or PBase or offer to email the photos privately to those who request to see them. If the interesting/rare bird was seen on PRIVATE property, mention if the landowner is willing to allow birders access, with any applicable conditions, to his/her property. Please remember that all rarities are reviewed either by the Arkansas Audubon Society Curator and or Bird Records Committee, so don’t be offended or discouraged if you are questioned or asked to provide written details, photographs or sound recordings to document your sighting. Finally, also remember that posting a sighting to ARBirds does not constitute an official submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society. Be sure to follow up your ARBirds post with a submission to the Arkansas Audubon Society: http://www.arbirds.org/mycaptcha/captcha-page.php 3. Trip details: Feel free to post accounts of your birding trips so that others can duplicate your route or may be informed about what birds you saw. If your visited multiple sites in a general area, you may specify that in the subject line by including something along the lines of “SW Arkansas Birding and Date”. 4. Migration news: Please feel free to share first of season (FOS) sightings or significant concentrations of migrants. 5. Announcements: If you are planning a bird outing anywhere in Arkansas or a conference on Arkansas birds, please feel free to share that as long as it is free to the public or sponsored by a non-profit organization. Pending legislation relevant to the conservation or preservation of birds may be announced but discussions must either be done another listserv established with that specific purpose in mind or privately between interested subscribers. It is encouraged that details pertaining to the death, funeral arrangements or memorials of members of the Arkansas birding community be posted. 6. Personal websites: If you maintain a website with bird photos, audio recordings or video clips, please feel free to post an announcement and link from time to time when updates are made to your site. 7. Interesting, rare and chaseable bird in neighboring states can and should be posted to ARBirds. What shouldn’t be posted to ARBirds? 1. ARBirds does not allow any file, including pictures, to be attached to your message primarily because viruses are spread through attachments and, secondarily, because those list subscribers with slow Internet connections are unduly inconvenienced when they have to download a message with a large attached file. As a reminder, if you have a picture or pictures to share, instead include a link to their location in your post or offer to send them privately to those who request to see them. 2. Discussions about feral and outdoor cats are prohibited. 3. Discussions about bird feeding techniques are not allowed (i.e. what to feed, how to place feeders, which feeders work best, etc.) 4. Discussions of political and environmental messages are not allowed. 5. Pro-hunting vs anti-hunting messages are not allowed. 6. Commercial advertising, solicitation or “For Sale” messages on ARBirds are not allowed. 7. Trip lists and or bird related travel reports from areas outside of Arkansas, with the exception of Moffett Bottoms (Oklahoma), Red Slough Wildlife Management Area (Oklahoma) and Ensley Bottoms (Tennessee), are not allowed. It is permissible that, if you want to share trip reports from other locations, you may post them elsewhere and then make a single announcement on ARBirds that directs interested subscribers to that location. 8. “Test” message to the list are not permitted. If you think you have a problem with receiving list messages, contact the list manager. 9. Violation of these rules may result in a subscriber’s removal from the listserv. Subject: Re: NONPARTISAN AND FOR BIRDS AND OBSCURE From: swamp_fox <swamp_fox AT MAC.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:24:24 -0500 Kim Smith kindly gave me permission to post this. Oh heck. I'm feeling a bit Mark Twainish today and, as such, might as well join in the fray with some background information. Bear with me, there is relevance in the paragraphs that follow so please read on. In the early to mid-1990's, a close friend of mine, Bill Lisowsky moved his family from Hot Springs to Ft Collins, Colorado and a new job with the U S Forest Service. Bill and I were members of the AR bird records committee and, among our other collaborations in the mid-to late 1980's, we retooled and restarted the Holla Bend NWR CBC which had been suspended in the mid-1960's Having always enjoyed Colorado, I visited Bill and his family at least once a year while they lived there. Towards the end of his time there, an email discussion detailing the distribution and occurrence of birds in Colorado began to periodically circulate around the state's more active birders. Because of my interest (continued interest I might add) in Colorado birds, Bill added me to the distribution list. Eventually, this group email developed into the Colorado Birds (COBirds) listserv and I've been a subscriber ever since. Understanding how much of an asset such a thing would be for the Arkansas birding community, I contacted Doug James about the possibility of setting up such a listserv in Arkansas to DISCUSS THE DISTRIBUTION AND OCCURRENCE OF ARKANSAS BIRDS. Doug referred me to Kim Smith who promptly had ARBirds up and running in a matter of days. Initially, posts to ARBirds adhered to the principles under which it was created. Then, the digression began with the cat threads, the cane threads, the punctuation threads, the pig farm threads, the mosquito threads, the political snarking threads and on and on and on and on. Now lest anyone think that I don't regard at least many of these issues (feral cats, conservation legislation, natural area preservation, etc.) as important topics for discussion, let me here and now unequivocally state that I ABSOLUTELY, TOTALLY and WITHOUT RESERVATION do consider these issues to be important and indeed worthy of discussion but, given its original intended purpose, do respectfully disagree that they are appropriate topics for discussion on ARBirds. I don't at all see a problem with announcing off-topic issues, such as conservation legislation or the protection of natural areas or species, on ARBirds. However, the discussion of these topics need to be done on a listserv set up for such a purpose (Isn't there one already in existence? Fellowship of the Wings?) and not on ARBirds. The Colorado listserv (COBirds) remains a listserv which all others, including ARBirds, should aspire to being. One of the plusses that it has and that ARBirds lacks is a set of posting guidelines which are excellent and do a fine job of keeping COBird posts on topic. I shall post a set of guidelines that I'd like to see adopted (perhaps with some tweaking) and implemented for ARBirds. I think such guidelines would be beneficial to both long-time and recent list subscribers. Forgive me this getting up on the soapbox but ARBirds (and especially how it came to be) is a important and sentimental issue for me. I understand and accept there are different interests and opinions from my own. Ultimately, I see this as an issue of lack of focus and I don't have any doubt that it can be resolved so that there is an appropriate place or places suitable for the discussion of all these topics. Charles Mills On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:39 AM, "Joseph C. Neal" wrote: > I have been posting to ARBIRD-L 10+ years. One of my first posts was like many others: short on list, long on thinking. > > From ARBIRD-L in 2002: ". . . we tend to focus on birds rare and somewhat novel . . . quality habitat for even more common species is important if these creatures are to avoid the downward slide into rarity." > > Is this political and advocating voting preferences? That is, partisan and inappropriate for a public space? > > That 2002 and subsequent comments was aimed, not at those who denounce protection of "obscure species," but rather at our then liberal Democrat Fayetteville mayor, who had approved development on property that should have been left in nature. > > Since my maiden Buffalo National River trip, I have been an advocate for its protection. Just for clarity: Buffalo is a unique reservoir of avian, botanical, aquatic species diversity -- obscure species in some cases -- for the Ozarks region, for Arkansas, for the USA and North America. This is demonstrated fact. There is no political dimension. > > Buffalo dams were dreams of Democratic Congressman Trimble. They were opposed by segregationist Democrat, Governor Faubus. A conservative Republican, Hammerschmidt, campaigned against using Federal tax dollars for dams with support from the Ozark Society. Its founder, Neil Compton, was a lifelong Benton County Republican, with support from a membership heavy with Fayetteville Democrats. > > Discussion of impacts, real and potential, to obvious species like Louisiana Waterthrushes and Great Blue Herons, and the world in which they thrive, and noticing less obvious obscure species like rare mussels, aquatic insects, and plants, belongs on ARBIRD-L, along with the nesting habits of the tanagers in the oaks of our backyards. It is all one picture. > > We live in a partisan world full of messages in mass media about HOW and WHAT we should think: politics, party affiliation, 24 hour news TV. A world with healthy rivers, waterthrushes, herons, and obscure species is best for us, too, so that's where I start. > > ARBIRD-L, a public space, is not for partisanship. It is not about whether you like or dislike a particular party or a particular President of the United States. But how do you feel about protecting Louisiana Waterthrushes in the Buffalo, Great Blue Heron nesting rookeries in the valley of the White River? The obscure species we don't recognize? > > > Subject: Inca doves From: Sara Cain-Bartlett <saracnbrtltt9 AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:22:03 -0500 A very healthy INCA DOVE has joined my Mourning doves feeding on the cracked corn and white millet. His coloring seems darker now. The feeders are active every morning with the blue grosbeaks and indigo buntings, what a colorful mix! I've heard the calls of the roadrunner and numbers in RTH are picking up now. Just wanted to insert a 'back to the birds' post. Sara Cain-Bartlett, LCSW Fayetteville, Arkansas HOME: 479-521-3125 OFFICE: 479-521-4406 Cell: 479-466-0611 Subject: more on Mt Magazine June 21-22 From: "Joseph C. Neal" <joeneal AT UARK.EDU> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:21:18 +0000 Mary Bess is too modest to tell us who Still on the Hill is -- just one of the finest groups recording and performing today, also members of her family, also veteran teachers in Arkansas Audubon Society's Halberg Ecology Camp! Also, not included in my note yesterday about hummingbird trapping and banding, the hummer team will present a PowerPoint presentation on hummingbirds Friday night from 7:00-9:00 PM. Time for lots of questions and discussion after the visual part is completed. A chance to meet and mingle with the Hummers R Us team in a relaxed environment. Key moving parts in all of this machinery is the couple that includes Don Simons from the park -- former President of Arkansas Audubon Society and discoverer of that impossible Gray-crowned Rosy-Finch in the park last year -- and Lori Spencer, of Arkansas Butterflies and Moths (Ozark Society Foundation, 2006). ________________________________ From: Mary Bess Mulhollan [marybess AT cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:33 AM To: Joseph C. Neal; ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.uark.edu Cc: RubyThroat AT AOL.COM Subject: Re: Its a miracle if we just take time to watch: hummers return to Mt Magazine June 21-22 To all Arbird list folks, My husband, Paige, and I have visited Bob and Martha Sargent's Hummer/Bird Study camp in Alabama twice and hate to leave each time. Adults and children are equally delighted with them, and Bob shares so much information about the birds that you never find in the books. This is an event everyone should have the pleasure of seeing. Thank you Mr. Magazine Butterfly Festival. A little note added, Still On the Hill will be entertaining Saturday evening at the Festival. Mary Bess Mulhollan ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph C. Neal To: ARBIRD-L AT LISTSERV.uark.edu Cc: RubyThroat AT AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:21 PM Subject: Its a miracle if we just take time to watch: hummers return to Mt Magazine June 21-22 BOB SARGENT of the Hummer/Bird Study Group -- AKA, Hummers R US -- and the hard working team including Martha Sargent and Tana Beasley, will be trapping and banding Ruby-throated Hummingbirds at Mt Magazine State Park Visitor’s Center on Friday-Saturday, June 21-22. This is the same weekend as Mt Magazine’s Butterfly Festival XVII. Y’all are invited. This is a come and go as you see fit program, from about 9 AM to 11 AM each day. Folks who come to the program can help if interested. Participants in hummer releases last year ranged from 5 to 80, plus a lot in between. Kids really got into the whole program. Sargent is author of the book Ruby-throated Hummingbird (Stackpole), various scientific papers, including coauthor in the prestigious Birds of North America Series. This is hands-on banding and allowing the rest of us watch and take part, as we see fit. Last year, hundreds of people, young and old, streamed in and out like a county fair. Attired in magnifying headgear, Bob presided in a comfortable and informal manner, while formally and systematically collecting weights, lengths, nesting status of each bird. Martha handled data sheets and Tana kept bringing in newly trapped birds. Most of us couldn’t stay in our chairs and wound up crowding around three grams of emerald green fluff. With a hummer in hand, Bob explains "In this tiny brain half the size of a BB is all the information needed to build a nest and feed young hummers. That brain holds all the information concerning the habits of her successful ancestors . . . We get busy in our lives and don't notice what's going on around us," he continues. YOU can hold and release banded birds. A girl of 7 or 8 wanted to help. Grandpa said ok. "Don't let that monster rip off your hand," he joked. Suddenly and with buzz, the hummer was off. "It's a miracle, if we just take time to watch." That’s Bob philosophizing. So here’s a good chance for miracles, and coming to a place near us, in one of the state’s most beautiful parks. There is no charge and everyone, all ages, is welcome.