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Chestnut-collared Longspur,©Chris Kerrigan

3 Jul Banding Purple Martins ["R.D. Everhart" ]
3 Jul Banding Purple Martins ["R.D. Everhart" ]
1 Jul Chuck-wills Widow [Lester Peyton ]
30 Jun Re: Mist-nets - message approved by BIRDBAND/Jean Bickal [Spidertech ]
30 Jun Re: Mist-nets - message approved by BIRDBAND/Jean Bickal [Lester Peyton ]
28 Jun Hilton Pond 06/15/09 [Research at Hilton Pond ]
25 Jun Re: permit fee [Bill Mattox ]
25 Jun banders in NC and GA? [Dawn Garcia ]
22 Jun Mist-nets - message approved by BIRDBAND/Jean Bickal [SpiderTech ]
20 Jun Interesting article on evolution of feather molt. ["R.D. Everhart" ]
20 Jun Interesting article on evolution of feather molt. ["R.D. Everhart" ]
17 Jun Re: feeder trap ["Allen T. Chartier" ]
17 Jun feeder trap ["C. John Ralph" ]
16 Jun Colour-banded Brewster spotted near Montreal [Marie-Anne Hudson ]
16 Jun Hilton Pond 06/08/09 [Research at Hilton Pond ]
16 Jun North American Pine Siskin Invasion of 2009 [John and Sue Gregoire ]
14 Jun Baby Bluebirds ["R.D. Everhart" ]
14 Jun Baby Bluebirds ["R.D. Everhart" ]
13 Jun Re: Ageing birds in the summer ["Allen T. Chartier" ]
12 Jun Wing tagged White Pelican [bewickwren ]
12 Jun Ageing birds in the summer ["R.D. Everhart" ]
12 Jun Ageing birds in the summer ["R.D. Everhart" ]
12 Jun Ageing birds in the summer ["R.D. Everhart" ]
12 Jun How to Contact the BBL [Research at Hilton Pond ]
11 Jun Spring 2009 banding summary - Metro Beach Metropark ["Allen T. Chartier" ]
9 Jun Hilton Pond 06/10/09 (Fledgling Birds) [Research at Hilton Pond ]
8 Jun Metro Beach Banding Report - June 5-6, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ]
8 Jun Re: problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411 [Michael Lancaster ]
7 Jun Radar Still Indicating Migration ["R.D. Everhart" ]
7 Jun Radar Still Indicating Migration ["R.D. Everhart" ]
7 Jun Radar Still Indicating Migration ["R.D. Everhart" ]
7 Jun Re: problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411 [Andrew Boyle ]
7 Jun Re: problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411 [Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick ]
7 Jun Re: problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411 [Research at Hilton Pond ]
7 Jun problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411 [Elizabeth Copper ]
6 Jun Banding Rainout, Friday Night Radar, ["R.D. Everhart" ]
5 Jun Re: USFWS clarifies banding permit question [Robert Mulvihill ]
5 Jun Re: USFWS clarifies banding permit question [Research at Hilton Pond ]
4 Jun Advanced Bird Banding Class [Danielle Kaschube ]
4 Jun Strange Injury to Red-winged Blackbird ["R.D. Everhart" ]
4 Jun Strange Injury to Red-winged Blackbird ["R.D. Everhart" ]
4 Jun Strange Injury to Red-winged Blackbird ["R.D. Everhart" ]
4 Jun burrowing owl - color banded []
4 Jun Long Point Bird Observatory [LPBO Coordinator ]
3 Jun Opening and closing stainless steel bands [DRMeyer ]
2 Jun Walter added you as a friend on MyLife! [Walter Sakai ]
2 Jun Hilton Pond 05/22/09 [Research at Hilton Pond ]
2 Jun Powdermill Bird Banding [Andrew Vitz ]
1 Jun Buteo lineatus (RSHA) eye color [Anthony Hill ]
1 Jun Blog update ["Allen T. Chartier" ]
31 May Metro Beach banding report - May 29, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ]
31 May Eye color, Red-shouldered hawk ["Ingold, James" ]
29 May marked American Kestrels in Florida [Jessi Brown ]
29 May Submitting data to Bandit ["Lisa M. Gardner" ]
29 May Re: Marked American Kestrels [Charlie ]
28 May Re: Marked American Kestrels [Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick ]
28 May Marked American Kestrels [Marianne Korosy ]
27 May have you caught my siskin? [Charlie ]
27 May Metro Beach banding report - May 23 & 25, 2009 ["Allen T. Chartier" ]
25 May Memorial Day Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
25 May Memorial Day Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
25 May Memorial Day Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
25 May Re: re-captured tree swallow Tachycineta bicolor [Charlie ]
24 May Sunday Bird Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
24 May Re: re-captured tree swallow Tachycineta bicolor [Robert Frey ]
24 May Sunday Bird Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
24 May Sunday Bird Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
24 May re-captured tree swallow Tachycineta bicolor [David Mitchell ]
23 May Saturday morning banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
23 May Saturday morning banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
23 May Saturday morning banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
23 May Re: spidertech [John and Sue Gregoire ]
22 May spidertech [Lester Peyton ]
21 May Hilton Pond 05/01/09 [Research at Hilton Pond ]
21 May An Australian bird banding blog [Anthony Overs ]
19 May Bulk of Migrants Have Left the South ["R.D. Everhart" ]

Subject: Banding Purple Martins
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:47:21 -0500
Over the last 3 days Mark Newstrom and I have banded close to 200
young Purple Martins. This year marks the first year of a color
banding program to track birds. I have posted photos and a video clip
for anyone interested at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

We will be banding more martins until mid-July. If anyone sees color
banded Purple Martins, please record color of band and if possible
the 3 number code on the band. This info can then be reported to the
Bird Banding Lab.

Good Birding,
Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
www.ncbo.org

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Subject: Banding Purple Martins
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:47:21 -0500
Over the last 3 days Mark Newstrom and I have banded close to 200
young Purple Martins. This year marks the first year of a color
banding program to track birds. I have posted photos and a video clip
for anyone interested at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

We will be banding more martins until mid-July. If anyone sees color
banded Purple Martins, please record color of band and if possible
the 3 number code on the band. This info can then be reported to the
Bird Banding Lab.

Good Birding,
Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
www.ncbo.org


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Subject: Chuck-wills Widow
From: Lester Peyton <lesterap AT FUSE.NET>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 21:09:11 -0400
Hello,

Does anyone have experience mist netting Chucks? I have heard they are 
difficult to catch but respond well to playback. Any advice, tips, or 
experience with this species would be most appreciated. 


Lester Peyton
Harrison, Ohio

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Subject: Re: Mist-nets - message approved by BIRDBAND/Jean Bickal
From: Spidertech <jan AT SPIDERTECH.FI>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:09:58 +0300
Lester,
the address jan AT spidertech.fi is correct and receives messages daily

Try this one jan AT naccanil.fi


Best wish
-jan

Lester Peyton kirjoitti:
> I am (still) trying to get a hold of Jan at Spidertech. This email 
> address jan AT spidertech.fi keep bouncing back. If you read this Jan 
> please contact me. I am in need of some passerine nets.
>
> Lester Peyton
> Harrison, OHio
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "SpiderTech" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:01 PM
> Subject: [BIRDBAND] Mist-nets - message approved by BIRDBAND/Jean Bickal
>
>
>> Hello folks,
>> we are back with a new passerine net from a new producer.
>>
>> The nets were tailor-made for us according to following specs
>> Thread 110d/2 polyamide
>> Mesh 30 mm
>> Height 2.7 m (200 meshes)
>> Length 9 m & 12 m (540 & 600 meshes)
>> Shelves 4
>> Tethered at strings 2 and 4
>> Upper end loop white
>>
>> During Spring the nets were tested for knots etc. in Finland and for 
>> color fastness in Brazil.
>> They have worked well and after 6 weeks in Amazonian sun haze still 
>> look nice mat black.
>>
>> These nets are available from our stock in Helsinki at following prices
>> 9 m     USD 42
>> 12 m   USD 49
>> Shipping added at self cost.
>>
>> Sample nets available for banding organizations at above prices 
>> including shipping.
>>
>> A new mystery bird on our web-site www.spidertech.fi.
>> It is an European species so a free net for first correct answer from 
>> USA.
>>
>> Hope to hear from you.
>>
>>
>> Have a Good Summer
>>
>> SPIDERTECH
>> -jan
>>
>> -- 
>> SpiderTech
>> Mist-nets - Bands - Whoosh-nets
>> Speranskintie 3
>> FI-00150 HELSINKI
>> Tel +358-9-6822020
>> Fax +358-9-6822080
>> Cell +358-400-416652
>> www.spidertech.fi
>> http://vlsblog.blogit.fi/
>>
>> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand 
>> web site:
>> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm 
>
> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand 
> web site:
> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm
>


-- 
SpiderTech
Speranskintie 3
FI-00150 HELSINKI
Tel +358-9-6822020
Fax +358-9-6822080
Cell +358-400-416652
www.spidertech.fi
http://vlsblog.blogit.fi/

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Subject: Re: Mist-nets - message approved by BIRDBAND/Jean Bickal
From: Lester Peyton <lesterap AT FUSE.NET>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:01:39 -0400
I am (still) trying to get a hold of Jan at Spidertech. This email address 
jan AT spidertech.fi keep bouncing back. If you read this Jan please contact 
me. I am in need of some passerine nets.

Lester Peyton
Harrison, OHio
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SpiderTech" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:01 PM
Subject: [BIRDBAND] Mist-nets - message approved by BIRDBAND/Jean Bickal


> Hello folks,
> we are back with a new passerine net from a new producer.
>
> The nets were tailor-made for us according to following specs
> Thread 110d/2 polyamide
> Mesh 30 mm
> Height 2.7 m (200 meshes)
> Length 9 m & 12 m (540 & 600 meshes)
> Shelves 4
> Tethered at strings 2 and 4
> Upper end loop white
>
> During Spring the nets were tested for knots etc. in Finland and for color 
> fastness in Brazil.
> They have worked well and after 6 weeks in Amazonian sun haze still look 
> nice mat black.
>
> These nets are available from our stock in Helsinki at following prices
> 9 m     USD 42
> 12 m   USD 49
> Shipping added at self cost.
>
> Sample nets available for banding organizations at above prices including 
> shipping.
>
> A new mystery bird on our web-site www.spidertech.fi.
> It is an European species so a free net for first correct answer from USA.
>
> Hope to hear from you.
>
>
> Have a Good Summer
>
> SPIDERTECH
> -jan
>
> -- 
> SpiderTech
> Mist-nets - Bands - Whoosh-nets
> Speranskintie 3
> FI-00150 HELSINKI
> Tel +358-9-6822020
> Fax +358-9-6822080
> Cell +358-400-416652
> www.spidertech.fi
> http://vlsblog.blogit.fi/
>
> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web 
> site:
> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm 

subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site:
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Subject: Hilton Pond 06/15/09
From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:45:26 -0400
What better way might there be to spend the longest day of the year 
than exploring woods and meadows of the Carolina Piedmont, taking 
snapshots of flora and fauna? That's what we did for the recent 
Summer Solstice, and we're pleased to share some images in the 
current installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond." To view our photo 
essay for 15-21 June 2009--complete with info about midsummer 
wildflowers, fungi, amphibians, birds, and pollinators, too--visit 
http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek090615.html .

After reading the essay, be sure to scroll down for a list of all 
birds banded or recaptured during the period, plus some info about 
the new EarthTrek citizen science initiative that involves 
hummingbirds.

Please also note the special $75 discount for our 2010 hummingbird 
expeditions to Costa Rica expires on 1 July, so sign up now to take 
advantage of this offer.


Happy Nature Watching!

BILL
-- 

RESEARCH PROGRAM
c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845

Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org
"Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org

**********

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Subject: Re: permit fee
From: Bill Mattox <wgmattox2 AT EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:57:58 -0600
> Hi All
> 
> I just received my application for my Kentucky State banding permit. The
> annual fee is $250.00. I was wondering how this compares to other state
> banding permit fees.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site:
> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm

Jeff,
An update from Idaho: Bird-banding is listed as one activity under a
scientific collectors permit, which has been issued up until now at no
charge. As a result of recently-passed legislation which attempts to beat
the bushes for revenue, such a permit will now cost a bird-bander fifty
dollars ($50) a year.
Many activities fall under "scientific collecting", e.g., removal of biota
from the wild by commercial operations, as well as bona fide collecting for
science.
Since we band at our own expense under BBL's permits (which are free), do
not collect anything from the wild, and are required to submit our data to
the State of Idaho, it seems illogical and unfair to charge bird-banders.
I will appeal this fee and ask for a waiver. Failing approval of that, I'll
hang it up. The fifty dollars is not the issue. The principle of charging us
to perform a public service at our own expense, and require that we submit
data therefrom to the State makes no sense whatsoever. One legislator who I
know offered to go before our Fish and Game Commission about this issue. But
I consider that to be too heavy-handed (He stated that the intent of the
legislation was never to tax volunteers who work for the State at their own
expense). There will, however, surely be some adverse publicity for the
agency unless things change.
Bill Mattox

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Subject: banders in NC and GA?
From: Dawn Garcia <mel.dawn AT SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:35:57 -0700
HI, I'm traveling to Georgia and North Carolina in October (7th-15).  I'd like 
to fit in a visit and help band at an southern banding station.  Is anyone up 
and running during these dates?  Please contact me at 

mel.dawn AT sbcglobal.net
 
Dawn Garcia
mel.dawn AT sbcglobal.net
MS student-CSU Chico
Chico, CA 

"and listen to them sing
the wind becomes a thing alive
with music whistles squawks and chirps
a melody of world"
From "Suicide Aside" Bruce Dethlefsen 

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Subject: Mist-nets - message approved by BIRDBAND/Jean Bickal
From: SpiderTech <jan AT SPIDERTECH.FI>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:01:35 +0300
Hello folks,
we are back with a new passerine net from a new producer.

The nets were tailor-made for us according to following specs
Thread 110d/2 polyamide
Mesh 30 mm
Height 2.7 m (200 meshes)
Length 9 m & 12 m (540 & 600 meshes)
Shelves 4
Tethered at strings 2 and 4
Upper end loop white

During Spring the nets were tested for knots etc. in Finland and for 
color fastness in Brazil.
They have worked well and after 6 weeks in Amazonian sun haze still look 
nice mat black.

These nets are available from our stock in Helsinki at following prices
9 m     USD 42
12 m   USD 49
Shipping added at self cost.

Sample nets available for banding organizations at above prices 
including shipping.

A new mystery bird on our web-site www.spidertech.fi.
It is an European species so a free net for first correct answer from USA.

Hope to hear from you.


Have a Good Summer

SPIDERTECH
-jan

-- 
SpiderTech
Mist-nets - Bands - Whoosh-nets
Speranskintie 3
FI-00150 HELSINKI
Tel +358-9-6822020
Fax +358-9-6822080
Cell +358-400-416652
www.spidertech.fi
http://vlsblog.blogit.fi/

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Subject: Interesting article on evolution of feather molt.
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:25:06 -0500
I came across an interesting article on feather molt in a large
ancient bird species. I've posted a link at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN (but currently in Cedar Falls, Iowa)
www.ncbo.org


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Subject: Interesting article on evolution of feather molt.
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:25:06 -0500
I came across an interesting article on feather molt in a large
ancient bird species. I've posted a link at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN (but currently in Cedar Falls, Iowa)
www.ncbo.org

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Subject: Re: feeder trap
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:37:19 -0400
C.J.

There was a trap that Geoff Hill devised to catch House Finches, which he 
used to catch them as part of a study that he did, which was eventually 
published. My mentor had a trap constructed by him, and she donated it to a 
station where I was working (but am no longer). I have since reproduced this 
design in a couple different sizes and made my own, and have had good 
success catching American Goldfinches (and others) on a thistle sock hung 
inside, and House Finches with sunflower, and even Downy Woodpeckers and 
White-breasted Nuthatches with suet hung inside (chickadees seem to be able 
to find their way out very quickly).

Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1 AT comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C. John Ralph" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 4:10 PM
Subject: [BIRDBAND] feeder trap


> Hi... I saw a trap that enclosed a hanging feeder, like a sunflower or 
> niger seed feeder.  This entered by a series of perhaps  six 1.5 inches 
> funnels that went into the trap.  This was offered up for auction at the 
> Erie EBBA meeting.  Does anybody know who made this trap?
>
>                        thanks,  c.j.
> -- 
>                                               -----Dr. C. John Ralph
> --- U.S. Forest Service, Redwood Sciences Laboratory,
>          1700 Bayview Drive, Arcata, California 95521.
> (707) 825-2992 (fax: 825-2901)  home: 822-2015   cell: 499-9707
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  cjralph AT humboldt1.com  cjr2 AT humboldt.edu  cralph AT fs.fed.us
>  http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/programs/TimberManagement/staff/cralph/
>
> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web 
> site:
> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm
> 

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Subject: feeder trap
From: "C. John Ralph" <cjralph AT HUMBOLDT1.COM>
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:10:05 -0700
Hi... I saw a trap that enclosed a hanging feeder, like a sunflower or 
niger seed feeder.  This entered by a series of perhaps  six 1.5 inches 
funnels that went into the trap.  This was offered up for auction at the 
Erie EBBA meeting.  Does anybody know who made this trap?

                        thanks,  c.j.
-- 
                                               -----Dr. C. John Ralph
--- U.S. Forest Service, Redwood Sciences Laboratory,
          1700 Bayview Drive, Arcata, California 95521.
(707) 825-2992 (fax: 825-2901)  home: 822-2015   cell: 499-9707
----------------------------------------------------------------------
  cjralph AT humboldt1.com  cjr2 AT humboldt.edu  cralph AT fs.fed.us
  http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/programs/TimberManagement/staff/cralph/

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Subject: Colour-banded Brewster spotted near Montreal
From: Marie-Anne Hudson <marieanne.hudson AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:58:29 -0400
Hi all,

A birder in the Montreal area just posted the following (translated from
french).  Is this your bird?

"I just photographed a hybrid Golden-winged X Blue-winged Warbler (Brewster
type) near Godmanchester this morning. It was singing like a Blue-winged
Warbler and had an aluminium band on its left leg, and a red band on its
right leg. The photo was taken from afar and so no details are available for
the band number."

Happy banding,
Marie-Anne Hudson
McGill Bird Observatory




Marie-Anne Hudson
Director, McGill Bird Observatory
Ph.D. candidate, McGill University
Natural Resource Sciences MS3-039
21,111 Lakeshore Road
Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue, Quebec
H9X 3V9

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Subject: Hilton Pond 06/08/09
From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:12:00 -0400
When folks are out looking over nature, they often overlook 
clover--ubiquitous plants that despite being foreign and possibly 
invasive in North America play important roles from enriching soil to 
nurturing cattle to serving as host plants for butterflies and moths. 
"This Week at Hilton Pond" we look closely at clover in our photo 
essay for 8-14 June 1009, viewable at 
http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek090608.html

After pondering clover's eye-pleasing appearance and ecological 
significance, don't forget to scroll down for a tally of all birds 
banded or recaptured during the period. And our miscellaneous nature 
notes include photos of the season's first Trumpet Creeper flowers 
and a female House Finch that looked like a male--as well as a 
description of THREE banding milestones reached this week.

Happy Nature Watching!

BILL
-- 

RESEARCH PROGRAM
c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845

Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org
"Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org

**********

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Subject: North American Pine Siskin Invasion of 2009
From: John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT EMPACC.NET>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:11:45 -0400
Dear Friends,

I have volunteered as the bander liaison to a small group of independent
researchers seeking to aggregate and quantify the incredible Pine Siskin 
invasion we 

experienced this winter/spring. Your banding data and anecdotal information 
will be 

critical to making this effort a success. We intend to consolidate the 
information 

and submit the result to North American Bird Bander for publication. We hope 
you 

will all participate in this national effort.


Please provide input in the following format:

1.Bander Name
Federal permit #
Station Name, location and state
Geographic Coordinates

1a. A short statement granting your permission to use your data for this 
purpose. 


2. Period banded

2a. Period  Observed (if different)

3. Number of Pine Siskins banded, # SY, #ASY , # AHY, # Unknown, # HY
# males
#females
#unknowns
# of "green morphs"

4. Comments and anecdotal information.

5. Please comment on any evidence of breeding or breeding behavior.

Send your reports as soon as possible to khmo AT empacc.net and
grosbeak AT clarityconnect.com. We will use a cut off date of 1 August for your
submissions. If that's not adequate time, let us know. The sooner we get this
together, the better,

Thanks in advance for your assistance and data! Please pass this along to
those not on Birdband that may have input.

John


-- 
John and Sue Gregoire
Field Ornithologists
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Burdett,NY 14818-9626
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Subject: Baby Bluebirds
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:10:36 -0500
Banded my first brood of bluebirds this morning. 4 healthy chicks and
parents that were pretty tolerant of my presence. I have a couple of
photos posted:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

I'm headed for Iowa today for 10 days at the University of Northern
Iowa but will try to keep up with my blog from there.

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Subject: Baby Bluebirds
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:10:36 -0500
Banded my first brood of bluebirds this morning. 4 healthy chicks and
parents that were pretty tolerant of my presence. I have a couple of
photos posted:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

I'm headed for Iowa today for 10 days at the University of Northern
Iowa but will try to keep up with my blog from there.

Roger Everhart
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Subject: Re: Ageing birds in the summer
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:03:05 -0400
Roger,

Interesting blog, as always.

I don't band very many Brown Thrashers, but I have seen the buff-tipped 
outer two greater secondary coverts on every one I've handled, spring or 
fall, known hatch-year or after hatch-year (based on eye color in fall). It 
has always been my assumption that these buff-tipped coverts were a pseudo 
molt limit and not useful for ageing.

Allen T. Chartier
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Subject: [BIRDBAND] Ageing birds in the summer


With the end of northward migration coming soon and many young birds
beginning to leave their nests, we banders begin the season when
ageing becomes more of a chore. I have posted some photos showing
some of the subtle differences that can help determine a birds age
when in the hand.

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

I am heading to Iowa on Sunday to participate in an NSF Institute
where the subject is wind energy. My focus is the siting of wind
farms and their impact on wildlife (primarily birds and bats) If
anybody has some good studies that you think I should access, feel
free to pass along a link or reference. Thanks.

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
www.ncbo.org

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Subject: Wing tagged White Pelican
From: bewickwren <bewickwren AT EARTHLINK.NET>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:45:41 -0700
Hi All,

 

My friend Chet McGaugh has been taking pictures at the Salton Sea again
(Southern California).  This time he photographed a white pelican with a red
tag towards the leading edge of its inner right wing.   This was on 10 June.
The tag does not appear to be numbered or lettered, and he says that the
legs appeared to be unbanded.  You all were real helpful with the Brant that
he photographed a few weeks ago, so I hope someone knows this bird too.  I
can send you a picture upon request.

 

Thanks,

 

John Green

Riverside, CA


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Subject: Ageing birds in the summer
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:42:34 -0500
With the end of northward migration coming soon and many young birds
beginning to leave their nests, we banders begin the season when
ageing becomes more of a chore. I have posted some photos showing
some of the subtle differences that can help determine a birds age
when in the hand.

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

I am heading to Iowa on Sunday to participate in an NSF Institute
where the subject is wind energy. My focus is the siting of wind
farms and their impact on wildlife (primarily birds and bats) If
anybody has some good studies that you think I should access, feel
free to pass along a link or reference. Thanks.

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: Ageing birds in the summer
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:42:34 -0500
With the end of northward migration coming soon and many young birds
beginning to leave their nests, we banders begin the season when
ageing becomes more of a chore. I have posted some photos showing
some of the subtle differences that can help determine a birds age
when in the hand.

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

I am heading to Iowa on Sunday to participate in an NSF Institute
where the subject is wind energy. My focus is the siting of wind
farms and their impact on wildlife (primarily birds and bats) If
anybody has some good studies that you think I should access, feel
free to pass along a link or reference. Thanks.

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: Ageing birds in the summer
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:42:34 -0500
With the end of northward migration coming soon and many young birds
beginning to leave their nests, we banders begin the season when
ageing becomes more of a chore. I have posted some photos showing
some of the subtle differences that can help determine a birds age
when in the hand.

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

I am heading to Iowa on Sunday to participate in an NSF Institute
where the subject is wind energy. My focus is the siting of wind
farms and their impact on wildlife (primarily birds and bats) If
anybody has some good studies that you think I should access, feel
free to pass along a link or reference. Thanks.

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
www.ncbo.org

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Subject: How to Contact the BBL
From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:36:45 -0400
Ellen Paul  asked me to post the following 
message to BIRDBAND.

============

Some recent posts on BirdBand 

 

regarding band quality issues were brought to my attention and I in 
turn suggested that the posters contact the Bird Banding Lab. Not for 
the first time, I was told that banders aren't quite sure who at the 
BBL is responsible for specific aspects of BBL operations.

I called this to the attention of Bruce Peterjohn, the BBL chief, who 
told me that the BBL general mailbox *is* monitored every day, and 
that all contact can go through that e-mail as the BBL will then 
direct it to the right person.

So you might want to add this e-mail address to your address book: 
BBL AT usgs.gov

Many people - including me - are leery of general e-mail addresses, 
general voice-mail boxes, and "to whom it may concern" letters. 
However, here the BBL is assuring us that they do in fact monitor 
that general e-mail box every day so everyone can and should feel 
comfortable using it.

Ellen

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Subject: Spring 2009 banding summary - Metro Beach Metropark
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:07:14 -0400
Birders and Banders,

I have just posted a brief summary of results from Spring 2009 banding at 
Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com

In a few weeks I'll post a detailed summary of the entire season, which will 
be viewable at: www.amazilia.net/MetroBeachBanding

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Subject: Hilton Pond 06/10/09 (Fledgling Birds)
From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:57:57 -0400
Lots of things about fledgling birds make them look their age, even 
when they don't particularly look like their parents. For a photo 
essay about what characteristics make young birds look young, please 
visit the 1-7 June 2009 edition of "This Week at Hilton Pond" at 
http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek090601.html

After viewing the installment--which includes a quickie quiz on a 
Mystery Fledgling--don't forget to scroll down for a list of all 
birds banded or recaptured during the period. We also provide a few 
miscellaneous nature notes, including one about our first banded 
Ruby-throated Hummingbirds of the season.

Enrollment is now open for all of our 2010 hummingbird expeditions to 
Central America: Costa Rica, Guatemala, and Belize. (Just one slot 
left for the latter!) For more information or to sign up, see the 
link from the current installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond."

Happy Nature Watching!

BILL
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Subject: Metro Beach Banding Report - June 5-6, 2009
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:48:06 -0400
Birders and Banders,

I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from the final week of 
spring banding at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. 
In a week or so, I'll post a brief summary of the entire season.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com

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Subject: Re: problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411
From: Michael Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 06:21:45 -0700
Interesting, my old 1B bands leave a gap, my new 1B bands (2431) are 
perfect.  Pliers obviously effect the issue as well.

Barry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411


>I COMPLETELY agree about the 2291 1B's - the oil is disgusting and they are
> VERY thick and difficult to open/close.  I also feel the shape isn't
> exactly right because my pliers which previously closed 1B's perfectly 
> leave a
> small space that I have to close carefully with the 1 hole.
>
> I've also been having issues with 0 and 1 - I have only been banding for
> several years but I see a pretty clear difference in quality control 
> myself.
> The 0's, I literally have to shape them myself with pliers before  opening
> them because they're completely lopsided and will overlap if not  shaped
> individually and the 1's are already spiraled on the strand!
>
> Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick
> Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory
> Branchville, NJ
>
>
> In a message dated 6/7/2009 11:34:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> research AT HILTONPOND.ORG writes:
>
> ELIZABETH . . .
>
> I have just the opposite problem; my 2301 series  1A bands--I only got
> 200 of them--open TOO easily and are TOO thin for the  species on
> which I use them most: Northern Cardinal. Adult cardinals have  been
> smashing and/or removing the 2301 bands, which aren't as sturdy as
> the various 1A series that preceded them.
>
> However, in my experience  the new 1B bands (series 2291) are like
> your 2411 series 1A bands--too  thick and stiff, hard to close
> properly, and capable of breaking the pins  on pliers. Those bands
> also have a black sheen to them; I wonder if this  is some sort of
> alloy contamination.
>
> Incidentally, my latest 1B  bands came coated with machine oil that
> was soaking through the envelope  and difficult to clean from inside
> the bands. This oil can't possibly be  good for birds.
>
> It seems to me bands in the past few years are not  going through the
> same quality control at the manufacturer. I looks like  they're
> changing alloys and perhaps metal thickness without regard for the
> end user, or for the birds that receive the bands.
>
> And I don't even  want to talk about how illegible many of the band
> numbers are these  days--and it isn't because my eyes are getting
> worse!
>
> I can imagine  that getting bands just right is a real engineering
> challenge. Here's  hoping the BBL can resolve some of these
> difficulties with the current  manufacturer.
>
> Happy  Banding!
>
> BILL
>
> ==========
>
>>Re: Serious Problems with  new (prefix 2411) 1A
>>bands - use extra care
>>
>>We are  having significant problems with the bands that we received  this
>>season, prefix 2411. The bands appear to be a different alloy than  those
>>in the 2301 series. While the inner diameter is apparently  correct (high
>>rate of loss from chicks?) the bands do not close  completely or evenly 
>>and
>>so there is a tendency to overlap trying to do  the final closure. They 
>>are
>>difficult to open. Three pairs of banding  pliers have broken trying to
>>open bands. The edges appear uneven.  Because of the thickness they tend 
>>to
>>stick in the banding pliers. They  appear to be more brittle - in trying 
>>to
>>open bands evenly, second  attempts which are regularly necessary often
>>result in the band  breaking. We are at the beginning of our hatching
> season
>>with nearly  3,000 nests in San Diego County that we need to band and
> because
>>of the  problems the bands we are going to have to curtail our banding  or
>>stop.
>>
>>Unfortunately, BBL apparently does not have any  of the older 2301 bands
>>(last year's) which despite being thin and  having faint imprinting
>>suddenly look much  better.
>>
>>Elizabeth Copper
>>Coronado, CA
>>
>
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Subject: Radar Still Indicating Migration
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:12:26 -0500
Hi everyone-


Tonight's radar images at 10 pm show what appears to be migration
movement ahead of a low moving through the upper Midwest.

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Subject: Radar Still Indicating Migration
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:12:26 -0500
Hi everyone-


Tonight's radar images at 10 pm show what appears to be migration
movement ahead of a low moving through the upper Midwest.

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Subject: Radar Still Indicating Migration
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:12:26 -0500
Hi everyone-


Tonight's radar images at 10 pm show what appears to be migration
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Image posted at:

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Subject: Re: problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411
From: Andrew Boyle <andybgator AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 15:54:11 -0700
Hello, All. 

--- On Sun, 6/7/09, Elizabeth Copper  wrote:
> From: Elizabeth Copper 
> We are having significant problems with the bands that we
> received this season, prefix 2411.

We have this same inventory number and the main problem we find is that the 
metal seems a lot more 'soft'. 


I always use my typical pliers for this size to get the bands closed most of 
the way and then switch to the smaller size available to get them closed 
completely. 


I haven't had any problems with overlap this way but squeezing the bands closed 
with the smaller size pliers seems to cling onto the bands (the pliers sinking 
into the metal a bit) and then I have to make an additional effort to get the 
band unstuck from the pliers before releasing the birds. 


I find that going slowly helps, though we only have a small number of birds 
each session so I have a little more time. 


We also have noticed this with 1B bands for the last couple of years and it 
seems some change was made with the composition of the alloys. The 1Bs for us 
often seem to crimp the numbers almost to illegibility. 


Not happy with it but, as I mentioned, we have smaller numbers so we can 
usually track down the recaps that we have banded. 


In conclusion, maybe just go carefully when you can.

Andrew Boyle
Orlando, FL 


      

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Subject: Re: problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411
From: Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick <CelticCail AT AOL.COM>
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 12:20:49 EDT
I COMPLETELY agree about the 2291 1B's - the oil is disgusting and they are 
 VERY thick and difficult to open/close.  I also feel the shape isn't  
exactly right because my pliers which previously closed 1B's perfectly leave a 

small space that I have to close carefully with the 1 hole.  
 
I've also been having issues with 0 and 1 - I have only been banding for  
several years but I see a pretty clear difference in quality control  myself. 
 The 0's, I literally have to shape them myself with pliers before  opening 
them because they're completely lopsided and will overlap if not  shaped 
individually and the 1's are already spiraled on the strand!
 
Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick
Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory
Branchville, NJ
 
 
In a message dated 6/7/2009 11:34:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
research AT HILTONPOND.ORG writes:

ELIZABETH . . .

I have just the opposite problem; my 2301 series  1A bands--I only got 
200 of them--open TOO easily and are TOO thin for the  species on 
which I use them most: Northern Cardinal. Adult cardinals have  been 
smashing and/or removing the 2301 bands, which aren't as sturdy as  
the various 1A series that preceded them.

However, in my experience  the new 1B bands (series 2291) are like 
your 2411 series 1A bands--too  thick and stiff, hard to close 
properly, and capable of breaking the pins  on pliers. Those bands 
also have a black sheen to them; I wonder if this  is some sort of 
alloy contamination.

Incidentally, my latest 1B  bands came coated with machine oil that 
was soaking through the envelope  and difficult to clean from inside 
the bands. This oil can't possibly be  good for birds.

It seems to me bands in the past few years are not  going through the 
same quality control at the manufacturer. I looks like  they're 
changing alloys and perhaps metal thickness without regard for the  
end user, or for the birds that receive the bands.

And I don't even  want to talk about how illegible many of the band 
numbers are these  days--and it isn't because my eyes are getting 
worse!

I can imagine  that getting bands just right is a real engineering 
challenge. Here's  hoping the BBL can resolve some of these 
difficulties with the current  manufacturer.

Happy  Banding!

BILL

==========

>Re: Serious Problems with  new (prefix 2411) 1A
>bands - use extra care
>
>We are  having significant problems with the bands that we received  this
>season, prefix 2411. The bands appear to be a different alloy than  those
>in the 2301 series. While the inner diameter is apparently  correct (high
>rate of loss from chicks?) the bands do not close  completely or evenly and
>so there is a tendency to overlap trying to do  the final closure. They are
>difficult to open. Three pairs of banding  pliers have broken trying to
>open bands. The edges appear uneven.  Because of the thickness they tend to
>stick in the banding pliers. They  appear to be more brittle - in trying to
>open bands evenly, second  attempts which are regularly necessary often
>result in the band  breaking. We are at the beginning of our hatching 
season
>with nearly  3,000 nests in San Diego County that we need to band and 
because
>of the  problems the bands we are going to have to curtail our banding  or
>stop.
>
>Unfortunately, BBL apparently does not have any  of the older 2301 bands
>(last year's) which despite being thin and  having faint imprinting 
>suddenly look much  better.
>
>Elizabeth Copper
>Coronado, CA
>

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Subject: Re: problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411
From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:34:27 -0400
ELIZABETH . . .

I have just the opposite problem; my 2301 series 1A bands--I only got 
200 of them--open TOO easily and are TOO thin for the species on 
which I use them most: Northern Cardinal. Adult cardinals have been 
smashing and/or removing the 2301 bands, which aren't as sturdy as 
the various 1A series that preceded them.

However, in my experience the new 1B bands (series 2291) are like 
your 2411 series 1A bands--too thick and stiff, hard to close 
properly, and capable of breaking the pins on pliers. Those bands 
also have a black sheen to them; I wonder if this is some sort of 
alloy contamination.

Incidentally, my latest 1B bands came coated with machine oil that 
was soaking through the envelope and difficult to clean from inside 
the bands. This oil can't possibly be good for birds.

It seems to me bands in the past few years are not going through the 
same quality control at the manufacturer. I looks like they're 
changing alloys and perhaps metal thickness without regard for the 
end user, or for the birds that receive the bands.

And I don't even want to talk about how illegible many of the band 
numbers are these days--and it isn't because my eyes are getting 
worse!

I can imagine that getting bands just right is a real engineering 
challenge. Here's hoping the BBL can resolve some of these 
difficulties with the current manufacturer.

Happy Banding!

BILL

==========

>Re: Serious Problems with new (prefix 2411) 1A
>bands - use extra care
>
>We are having significant problems with the bands that we received this
>season, prefix 2411. The bands appear to be a different alloy than those
>in the 2301 series. While the inner diameter is apparently correct (high
>rate of loss from chicks?) the bands do not close completely or evenly and
>so there is a tendency to overlap trying to do the final closure. They are
>difficult to open. Three pairs of banding pliers have broken trying to
>open bands. The edges appear uneven. Because of the thickness they tend to
>stick in the banding pliers. They appear to be more brittle - in trying to
>open bands evenly, second attempts which are regularly necessary often
>result in the band breaking. We are at the beginning of our hatching season
>with nearly 3,000 nests in San Diego County that we need to band and because
>of the problems the bands we are going to have to curtail our banding or
>stop.
>
>Unfortunately, BBL apparently does not have any of the older 2301 bands
>(last year's) which despite being thin and having faint imprinting 
>suddenly look much better.
>
>Elizabeth Copper
>Coronado, CA
>

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Subject: problems with new 1A bands - prefix 2411
From: Elizabeth Copper <ecopper AT HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 04:45:41 +0000
Re: Serious Problems with new (prefix 2411) 1A
bands - use extra care



We are having significant problems with the bands that we received this

season, prefix 2411. The bands appear to be a different alloy than those

in the 2301 series. While the inner diameter is apparently correct (high

rate of loss from chicks?) the bands do not close completely or evenly and

so there is a tendency to overlap trying to do the final closure. They are

difficult to open. Three pairs of banding pliers have broken trying to

open bands. The edges appear uneven. Because of the thickness they tend to

stick in the banding pliers. They appear to be more brittle - in trying to

open bands evenly, second attempts which are regularly necessary often

result in the band breaking. We are at the beginning of our hatching season

with nearly 3,000 nests in San Diego County that we need to band and because

of the problems the bands we are going to have to curtail our banding or

stop. 



Unfortunately, BBL apparently does not have any of the older 2301 bands

(last year's) which despite being thin and having faint imprinting suddenly 
look much better. 




Elizabeth Copper
Coronado, CA









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Subject: Banding Rainout, Friday Night Radar,
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:35:47 -0500
I had hoped to get in some late spring bird banding this weekend but
it looks like the weather might not cooperate. Rain all weekend here
in Minnesota.

I checked the radar last night and it appeared there might still be
some migration going on. Returns all over the eastern U.S. (as far
south as Texas) looked like there was movement but with fairly low
densities.

Might be worth going out and looking for some "stragglers".

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: Re: USFWS clarifies banding permit question
From: Robert Mulvihill <mulvihill AT PABIRDATLAS.ORG>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:04:06 -0400
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Research at Hilton Pond <
research AT hiltonpond.org> wrote:

> We owe Ellen Paul a vote of thanks for taking the initiative to clear up
> this matter with USFWS, some of whose employees apparently were
> misinterpreting federal guidelines for handling birds. ...


Bill,

Yes, we (all) do!


> Ellen does her work behind the scenes, with no fanfare, and sometimes
> against pressure from folks who have contrary political agendas. I, for one,
> appreciate everything she does on behalf of birds, ornithologists, banders,
> and the public.


I do, too!

Thank you, Ellen!


Best,
Bob
-- 
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Carnegie Museum of Natural History
Project Coordinator
2nd PA Breeding Bird Atlas
Powdermill Nature Reserve
1847 Route 381
Rector, PA  15677
(724) 593-6022
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Subject: Re: USFWS clarifies banding permit question
From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:10:14 -0400
We owe Ellen Paul a vote of thanks for taking the initiative to clear 
up this matter with USFWS, some of whose employees apparently were 
misinterpreting federal guidelines for handling birds. According to 
them, no one except the master bander or subpermittee would be 
allowed to handle a bird in any way. Such policy would have severely 
restricted the work done by many of us who use bird banding as a 
research and education tool.

Ellen does her work behind the scenes, with no fanfare, and sometimes 
against pressure from folks who have contrary political agendas. I, 
for one, appreciate everything she does on behalf of birds, 
ornithologists, banders, and the public.

Happy Banding,

BILL

================

>Following a discussion with the U.S. Bird Banding Lab about the need 
>for permits for field assistants who handle bird (e.g., remove birds 
>from nets, carry birds to banders, release birds) the Ornithological 
>Council consulted with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Divisions 
>of Migratory Bird Management and Law Enforcement).
>
>After investigation, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service determined 
>that because "50 CFR 13.25(d) states that "Except as otherwise 
>stated on the face of the permit, any person who is under the direct 
>control of the permittee, or who is employed by or under contract to 
>the permittee for purposes authorized by the permit, may carry out 
>the activity authorized by the permit ...that a volunteer or 
>assistant working with a permitted individual need not get his or 
>her own permit."
>
>Generally, the rule is that Master Banders should apply for permits 
>for "subpermittees if they require assistants to work independently 
>(out of direct supervision)." The Ornithological Council encourages 
>those who band birds to review the North American Bander's Manual 

> 

>and/or contact the Banding Lab should there be a question about the 
>need for a permit in any particular case.*
>
>The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Division of Migratory Bird 
>Management and the U.S. Bird Banding Lab are considering changes to 
>the regulations pertaining to bird banding and marking. Any proposed 
>changes will be published in the Federal Register for comment. The 
>Ornithological Council will distribute the Federal Register notice 
>through Ornith-L, OCNET, and BirdBand-L and encourages 
>ornithologists and banders to share their views with these agencies 
>and with the Ornithological Council.
>
>*As is the case with any communication pertaining to a permit, it is 
>always a good idea to keep a written record.
>
>--
>Ellen Paul
>Executive Director
>The Ornithological Council
>Email: ellen.paul AT verizon.net
>"Providing Scientific Information about Birds"
>http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET"


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Subject: Advanced Bird Banding Class
From: Danielle Kaschube <dkaschube AT BIRDPOP.ORG>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 22:16:38 -0400
An advanced bird banding class will be hosted by Environmental 
Studies on the Piedmont in western Virginia, Oct 7 - 11, 2009, in 
cooperation with The Institute for Bird Populations. The cost is $650 
for the class. Please click the link below to visit the Environmental 
Studies on the Piedmont's website which contains the registration 
form and more information.
http://envstudies.org/Sections/CalendarPage/BirdBandingClass.html

During a typical day, mornings are spent at mist nets with birds in 
the hand and afternoons consist of classroom lecture sessions. The 
pace of the course is fast but is tailored to the skill levels of the 
participants.

The course is designed for experienced banders who wish to improve 
their sexing and ageing skills. It will focus on understanding and 
identifying the differences between specific adult age classes using 
the Identification Guide to North American Birds by Peter Pyle but 
time will also be spent addressing other advanced skills, such as skulling.

Please pass this notice to friends, family, and colleagues who may 
have an interest in banding.

Hope to see you there!

******************************
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MAPS Coordinator
dkaschube AT birdpop.org
In New Jersey :  609-625-0767

California Main Office:
The Institute for Bird Populations
P.O. Box 1346
Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1346
Phone: 415-663-1436
Fax: 415-663-9482
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Subject: Strange Injury to Red-winged Blackbird
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:13:31 -0500
I've posted a couple of photos on my blog of an injured Red-winged
Blackbird female that we netted on Sunday during a banding session.
The injury does not seem to be impeding the bird in any way. An
attempt to rectify the injury was not successful.

I'm curious to know if anyone else has ever seen a similar injury on
other birds.

The blog link is:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: Strange Injury to Red-winged Blackbird
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:13:31 -0500
I've posted a couple of photos on my blog of an injured Red-winged
Blackbird female that we netted on Sunday during a banding session.
The injury does not seem to be impeding the bird in any way. An
attempt to rectify the injury was not successful.

I'm curious to know if anyone else has ever seen a similar injury on
other birds.

The blog link is:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

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Subject: Strange Injury to Red-winged Blackbird
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:13:31 -0500
I've posted a couple of photos on my blog of an injured Red-winged
Blackbird female that we netted on Sunday during a banding session.
The injury does not seem to be impeding the bird in any way. An
attempt to rectify the injury was not successful.

I'm curious to know if anyone else has ever seen a similar injury on
other birds.

The blog link is:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: burrowing owl - color banded
From: shawolf AT SAN.RR.COM
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:39:13 +0000
A color banded burrowing owl was observed outside my dentist's office in Chula 
Vista, California on Oct. 20, 2008. Based on photos of the bird the left leg 
had a metal band above an orange plastic band (possibly orange above metal), 
and the right leg had an orange plastic band above a blue plastic band. The owl 
spent the day at the base of a small palm tree by a busy parking lot. The band 
combination has been reported to the BBL. Any information about the bird would 
be appreciated. 

Shauna Wolf
San Diego, CA
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Subject: Long Point Bird Observatory
From: LPBO Coordinator <lpbo AT BSC-EOC.ORG>
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 01:05:53 -0400
We are currently winding down what was easily one of the busiest spring seasons 
to date. Approximately 17,000 individuals of over 65 species were banded since 
April 1st. For a detailed account of this seasons highlights please visit our 
sightings board http://www.bsc-eoc.org/longpoint/index.jsp?targetpg=lpbosight 


The latest LPBO E-Newsletter can be viewed at:
http://www.bsc-eoc.org/download/LPBOenews.pdf

Yousif S. Attia

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Long Point Bird Observatory
c/o Bird Studies Canada/Etudes d'Oiseaux Canada
P.O. Box 160, 115 Front Rd.
Port Rowan, ON. N0E 1M0
519 586 3531 ext. 162 BSC HQ
519 586 2885 Old Cut Field Station
403 585 1125 Cell
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Subject: Opening and closing stainless steel bands
From: DRMeyer <drmeyer AT BIGFORK.NET>
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 08:34:22 -0500
Use a needle nose pliers, the tip of which should just fit into the band. Place 
the band on the flat surface of the 2-3 size banding pliers just below opening 
post or other hard surface. Line up the crease of the pliers with the crease in 
the band so that the rounded edges of the pliers are at 9 and 3 o'clock on the 
band from the crease. Push pliers down, then turn band over and repeat. 

Depending on the size of the needlenose you may have to hold the banding plies 
up in the air and open tip slightly to slide the bird's tarsus into the banding 
pliers. Close using the appropriate size pliers. 

To finish closing the band flush use the flat surface on the tip of the size 
2-3 banding plies or larger and work each side of the opening in the band 
several times until it closes flush. The tendency is not to apply much pressure 
for fear of over lapping the band, these bands are very hard to over lap and if 
it does sligthly it is easy to fix by applying pressure to the center of the 
band opening. Practice to find the right pressure needed to get the band closed 
to a flush position. 


Another tool can be used for opening the band. A Phillip's screw driver with 
the flare edges filed down. Pound it into the band with a small hammer, turn 
over and repeat. 


Dennis Meyer
Bigfork, MN 56628

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Subject: Hilton Pond 05/22/09
From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:34:13 -0400
We got almost 50 entries in response to our "Mayflower Quiz 2009"--an 
on-line test in which folks tried to figure out identities of 
flowering plants we photographed during the first three weeks of May. 
We're pleased to provide IDs for the mystery plants in the current 
installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond," along with some additional 
natural history info about the plants in question.

To learn more about the "Mayflowers"--and to find out who won the 
contest--just visit our photo essay for 22-31 May 2009 at 
http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek090522.html

While you're there, please scroll down for a list of all birds banded 
or recaptured during the period, as well as some general nature notes.

We've also finally worked out details for our first-ever hummingbird 
expedition to Guatemala in February 2010. Details are linked from the 
page above or at 
http://www.hiltonpond.org/GuatemalaAnnounceMain10.html . We also have 
openings for our trips to Costa Rica and Belize.

Happy Nature Watching!

BILL
-- 

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c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845

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Subject: Powdermill Bird Banding
From: Andrew Vitz <acvitz AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:33:24 -0700
Spring migration banding has been completed at the Powdermill Avian Research
Center in western Pennsylvania (biological field station of the Carnegie
Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh).  Our website has been updated and
includes information on what we captured this spring.  We also have included
a lengthy pictorial section on the use of molt limits in ageing birds.  You
can check out our website at 

http://www.westol.com/~banding/index.htm

Please forward this message to other bird banders who may not be a part of
this listserv.

Cheers.  Andrew Vitz

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Subject: Buteo lineatus (RSHA) eye color
From: Anthony Hill <anhinga13 AT HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 20:42:19 -0400
Part II of Pyle lists grayish to pale grayish brown iris for Juv. and pale 
grayish brown to medium dark brown for HY/SY. 


Anthony Hill
Massachusetts, USA

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Subject: Blog update
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:59:03 -0400
Hello everyone,

I have updated the blog post I made yesterday. Several closet entomologists 
:-) have corrected my initial identification of the "bug", one birder has 
provided a photo of a similar melanistic Black-and-white Warbler from 
Pennsylvania in 2003 (his photo is not posted), and I've put forth an 
explanation for why Canada Geese would be observed migrating north this time 
of year. I've also replied to those who have commented directly on the blog 
site.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com

Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1 AT comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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You may wonder how it weighs the food.
It doesn't. It just eats another hummingbird.
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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - May 29, 2009
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:50:09 -0400
Birders and Banders,

I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from the banding session 
on May 29, 2009 at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog. 
Also included in this installment is a brief description and a poor photo of 
a melanistic (and tardy) Black-and-white Warbler that was observed but not 
banded, as well as a strange invertebrate visitor.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com

Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1 AT comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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Subject: Eye color, Red-shouldered hawk
From: "Ingold, James" <James.Ingold AT LSUS.EDU>
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 16:04:01 -0500
Does anyone know if nestling red-shouldered hawks normally have blue
irises?  I know baby crows do.  They do not mention it in the BNA
account which they do for crows.

 

Jim

 


 
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Subject: Eye color, Red-shouldered hawk

 

All,

I got a couple of close photos of a red-shouldered hawk fledgling with
blue eyes. In other photos I've seen the eye color is either
indeterminate or yellow.  Anyone have information about what is "normal"
eye colors for a red-shouldered hawk? Do they change color with age?
Here are links to photos of the blue-eyed fledgling:

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18276798 AT N07/3579397349/sizes/o/

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18276798 AT N07/3580208294/sizes/o/in/photostr
eam/

 

Any input would be welcomed.

Thanks,

Dan

 

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djodokla AT sbcglobal.net

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Subject: marked American Kestrels in Florida
From: Jessi Brown <jessilbrown AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:15:48 -0400
Hello, fellow BIRDBANDers. The patagial tagged kestrel picked up in
Ocala, FL (apparently, downtown Ocala by the hospital!) is from my
project, and I have already been placed in contact with the rehab
folks who have him. He is one of now approximately 400 adult and
nestling kestrels that have been fitted with unique combinations of
colored patagial tags over the past two years. All of them were tagged
in Levy and Marion counties (between Ocala and Gainesville, FL), and
are all the local Falco sparverius paulus subspecies. This general
region also has a number of Richard Melvin's (subpermit under John
Smallwood) SINGLE patagial tagged kestrels, as well as a handful of
the old Tim Breen/Brian Millsap COLOR BANDED kestrels. The subspecies
is reputed to be quite sedentary, so I would be very surprised if any
of ours wandered up to the projects in Georgia, or vice-versa - but
then again, you never know. Thanks to everyone who helped me get in
touch with the recoverers.

cheers, Jessi Brown

Program in Ecology, Evolution, and Conservation Biology
University of Nevada-Reno

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Subject: Submitting data to Bandit
From: "Lisa M. Gardner" <lisa.m.gardner AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 14:43:02 -0500
Hi all,

Can anybody help me with my data submission through Bandit? I live in
Huntsville, Alabama. I would greatly appreciate your time and knowledge of
the program. I can't pay you (I'm a very poor student), but I can cook and
bake  :o)

Thanks in advance.



Cheers,


Lisa

-- 
Lisa Gardner
Graduate Research Assistant
Center for Forestry, Ecology, and Wildlife
Dept. of Natural Resources and Environmental Science
Alabama A&M University
P. O. Box 1927
Normal, AL 35762
Ph. 256-372-5950  Fax. 256-372-8404

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Subject: Re: Marked American Kestrels
From: Charlie <cmmbirds AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:31:39 -0700
We can't respond directly to her, as you did not include an email 
Hi,

We can't respond directly to her, as you did not include an email address.

It would also help tremendously if she could share with us where the bird was?

I know that there is a lot of work being done in Georgia with the 
"Southeastern" American Kestrel. I don't know that they are using this method, 
but they are doing radio telemetry, color banding, nest boxes, etc. 


Cheers,
Charlie Muise
Lamar County, Georgia, USA

--- On Thu, 5/28/09, Marianne Korosy  wrote:

> From: Marianne Korosy 
> Subject: [BIRDBAND] Marked American Kestrels
> To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 5:01 PM
> (I am posting on behalf of Stefani
> Melvin. Respond directly to her, please.)
> Hello,
> Is anyone aware of a project color marking kestrels with
> colored patagial
> tags?  The tags are different than normal, they are
> long and rectangular.
>  The bird I saw had red and yellow flags as well as an
> aluminum FWS band.
> 
> Any help in finding the person in charge of this project
> would be greatly
> appreciated!
> 
> stefani
> 
> Stefani Melvin
> Florida/Caribbean Bird Conservation Coordinator
> U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Region 4
> 1875 Century Blvd.
> Atlanta, GA 30345
> phone: 404-679-7227
> fax: 404-679-4180
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Subject: Re: Marked American Kestrels
From: Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick <CelticCail AT AOL.COM>
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 18:14:54 EDT
There's a very good chance it's Dr. John Smallwood of Montclair State  
University, Montclair, NJ.. _smallwoodj AT mail.montclair.edu_ 
(mailto:smallwoodj AT mail.montclair.edu) . I worked on his kestrel project for 
four years here 

in NJ but previously, he  worked on kestrels in FL for many years.
 
Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick
bander-in-charge
Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory
Branchville, NJ
 
 
In a message dated 5/28/2009 5:02:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mkorosy AT GMAIL.COM writes:

(I am  posting on behalf of Stefani Melvin. Respond directly to her,  
please.)
Hello,
Is anyone aware of a project color marking kestrels with  colored patagial
tags?  The tags are different than normal, they are  long and rectangular.
The bird I saw had red and yellow flags as well as an  aluminum FWS band.

Any help in finding the person in charge of this  project would be greatly
appreciated!

stefani

Stefani  Melvin
Florida/Caribbean Bird Conservation Coordinator
U.S. Fish and  Wildlife Service, Region 4
1875 Century Blvd.
Atlanta, GA  30345
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Subject: Marked American Kestrels
From: Marianne Korosy <mkorosy AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:01:53 -0400
(I am posting on behalf of Stefani Melvin. Respond directly to her, please.)
Hello,
Is anyone aware of a project color marking kestrels with colored patagial
tags?  The tags are different than normal, they are long and rectangular.
 The bird I saw had red and yellow flags as well as an aluminum FWS band.

Any help in finding the person in charge of this project would be greatly
appreciated!

stefani

Stefani Melvin
Florida/Caribbean Bird Conservation Coordinator
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Region 4
1875 Century Blvd.
Atlanta, GA 30345
phone: 404-679-7227
fax: 404-679-4180
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Subject: have you caught my siskin?
From: Charlie <cmmbirds AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:56:07 -0700
Hi folks,

I got the dreaded "up for banding" email last week. I immediately turned in all 
my data (it was already entered, but not emailed - dumb of me). So now I'm 
waiting to hear who caught the bird. Perhaps it was one of you? 


Pine Siskin 2360 10629 SY/U wing 73, fat 1, no molt.  Didn't get mass.

By the way, we had siskins at our house in the piedmont of Georgia, until April 
28. Our high count was between 200 and 250. We had them every day we were home, 
beginning around Thanksgiving. Others in Georgia report much higher numbers 
than usual, or even higher than ever before. Most also report many more 
sightings than before. 



Charlie Muise
Lamar County, Georgia, USA


      

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Subject: Metro Beach banding report - May 23 & 25, 2009
From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 08:32:41 -0400
Birders and Banders,

I have just posted results, highlights, and photos from banding sessions on 
May 23 & 25 at Metro Beach Metro Park, Macomb Co., Michigan on my blog.

Go to: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com

Allen T. Chartier
amazilia1 AT comcast.net
Inkster, Michigan, USA
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Subject: Memorial Day Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:15 -0500
Hey everybody,

  Strong winds impacted this mornings banding but I was able to run
nets until about noon. From where I was sitting it didn't appear as
if migration was still going on. I'm jealous of all the people seeing
good numbers of birds. All the birds I caught today could stay in the
area for the summer.

   I did manage to band 32 birds of 18 species this weekend. Not bad
in spite of the lack of warblers and vireos. First bird into a net
today was an Indigo Bunting.

   Pictures can be seen at:
http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

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Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: Memorial Day Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:15 -0500
Hey everybody,

  Strong winds impacted this mornings banding but I was able to run
nets until about noon. From where I was sitting it didn't appear as
if migration was still going on. I'm jealous of all the people seeing
good numbers of birds. All the birds I caught today could stay in the
area for the summer.

   I did manage to band 32 birds of 18 species this weekend. Not bad
in spite of the lack of warblers and vireos. First bird into a net
today was an Indigo Bunting.

   Pictures can be seen at:
http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
http://www.ncbo.org





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Subject: Memorial Day Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:15 -0500
Hey everybody,

  Strong winds impacted this mornings banding but I was able to run
nets until about noon. From where I was sitting it didn't appear as
if migration was still going on. I'm jealous of all the people seeing
good numbers of birds. All the birds I caught today could stay in the
area for the summer.

   I did manage to band 32 birds of 18 species this weekend. Not bad
in spite of the lack of warblers and vireos. First bird into a net
today was an Indigo Bunting.

   Pictures can be seen at:
http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
http://www.ncbo.org

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Subject: Re: re-captured tree swallow Tachycineta bicolor
From: Charlie <cmmbirds AT YAHOO.COM>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:47:54 -0700
Actually, that is likely a size 0 band (TRES would not take a 1, I don't 
think?) and I have received 8-digit bands from the BBL as recently as 4 years 
ago. In these cases, you assume that the first of 9 digits is a zero. Thus the 
3rd (technically 4th) digit is the band size indicator. 


Cheers,
Charlie Muise
Lamar County, Georgia, USA

--- On Sun, 5/24/09, Robert Frey  wrote:

> From: Robert Frey 
> Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] re-captured tree swallow Tachycineta bicolor
> To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
> Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 7:32 PM
> Hi David,
> 
> The band is one issued by the (North American) Bird Banding
> Offices prior to
> 1970 and it is a size 1.  Prior to 1970, the small
> size bands (0 through 1A)
> did not have a band-size indicator in the prefix and the
> prefixes were 2- or
> 3-digits (and a 5-digit suffix).  Since 1970, the
> final digit of the prefix
> is a band-size indicator.  There is more information
> about band numbering
> systems on the Bird Banding Laboratory website. 
>  
> We inherited (and had transferred to our permit) from a
> retired bander
> several older strings of bands including a couple size 1
> (still in
> original-issue envelope) with the prefix "840".  I
> reckon someone is using
> some of these old-style bands (your swallow isn't one of
> ours though).
> 
> Good day,
> Bob
> 
> Robert I. Frey
> Biologist and Banding Project Leader
> (541) 621-5690 (mobile)
> bif AT klamathbird.org
>  
> Klamath Bird Observatory
> P.O. Box 758
> Ashland, Oregon 97520
> (541) 201-0866 (office)
> (541) 201-1009 (fax)
> www.klamathbird.org
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU]
> On Behalf
> Of David Mitchell
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:48 PM
> To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
> Subject: [BIRDBAND] re-captured tree swallow Tachycineta
> bicolor
> 
>     A banded female tree swallow Tachycineta
> bicolor is nesting in a box
> on a monitored nest-box trail near Purcellville, Virginia
> USA.
> 
>  I am guessing the band is not USGS issued. The metal
> seemed different than
> that of the bands from the USGS Bird Banding Lab. Plus the
> 8 digit number,
> with a 3 digit prefix ending in 0, was unexpected.
> 
> 840 50609
> 
> I submitted a report through http://www.reportband.gov.
> 
> Does anybody have a notion of who banded this bird? If you
> do can you let me
> know? 
> 
> I have more information about the bird and can share it if
> you are the
> bander and would like more details.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Mitchell
> Virginia Bluebird Society
> 
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Subject: Sunday Bird Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:17:25 -0500
Hi everyone,

Day 2 of the three day weekend was beautiful and allowed me to get
out banding again. Numbers were not as high as yesterday but had a
couple of beauties!

Pictures are posted at http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com


Totals for the morning are -

Tennessee Warbler - 1
American Goldfinch - 1
Black-capped Chickadee - 3 ( 2 new, 1 retrap)
House Wren - 1
Gray Catbird - 1
Brown Thrasher - 1
Great Crested Flycatcher - 1 (retrap from 2004, bird is at least 6
years old)


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Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: Re: re-captured tree swallow Tachycineta bicolor
From: Robert Frey <bif AT KLAMATHBIRD.ORG>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:32:17 -0700
Hi David,

The band is one issued by the (North American) Bird Banding Offices prior to
1970 and it is a size 1.  Prior to 1970, the small size bands (0 through 1A)
did not have a band-size indicator in the prefix and the prefixes were 2- or
3-digits (and a 5-digit suffix).  Since 1970, the final digit of the prefix
is a band-size indicator.  There is more information about band numbering
systems on the Bird Banding Laboratory website. 
 
We inherited (and had transferred to our permit) from a retired bander
several older strings of bands including a couple size 1 (still in
original-issue envelope) with the prefix "840".  I reckon someone is using
some of these old-style bands (your swallow isn't one of ours though).

Good day,
Bob

Robert I. Frey
Biologist and Banding Project Leader
(541) 621-5690 (mobile)
bif AT klamathbird.org
 
Klamath Bird Observatory
P.O. Box 758
Ashland, Oregon 97520
(541) 201-0866 (office)
(541) 201-1009 (fax)
www.klamathbird.org
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf
Of David Mitchell
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:48 PM
To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
Subject: [BIRDBAND] re-captured tree swallow Tachycineta bicolor

	A banded female tree swallow Tachycineta bicolor is nesting in a box
on a monitored nest-box trail near Purcellville, Virginia USA.

 I am guessing the band is not USGS issued. The metal seemed different than
that of the bands from the USGS Bird Banding Lab. Plus the 8 digit number,
with a 3 digit prefix ending in 0, was unexpected.

840 50609

I submitted a report through http://www.reportband.gov.

Does anybody have a notion of who banded this bird? If you do can you let me
know? 

I have more information about the bird and can share it if you are the
bander and would like more details.

Regards,

David Mitchell
Virginia Bluebird Society

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Subject: Sunday Bird Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:17:25 -0500
Hi everyone,

Day 2 of the three day weekend was beautiful and allowed me to get
out banding again. Numbers were not as high as yesterday but had a
couple of beauties!

Pictures are posted at http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com


Totals for the morning are -

Tennessee Warbler - 1
American Goldfinch - 1
Black-capped Chickadee - 3 ( 2 new, 1 retrap)
House Wren - 1
Gray Catbird - 1
Brown Thrasher - 1
Great Crested Flycatcher - 1 (retrap from 2004, bird is at least 6
years old)


Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: Sunday Bird Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 18:17:25 -0500
Hi everyone,

Day 2 of the three day weekend was beautiful and allowed me to get
out banding again. Numbers were not as high as yesterday but had a
couple of beauties!

Pictures are posted at http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com


Totals for the morning are -

Tennessee Warbler - 1
American Goldfinch - 1
Black-capped Chickadee - 3 ( 2 new, 1 retrap)
House Wren - 1
Gray Catbird - 1
Brown Thrasher - 1
Great Crested Flycatcher - 1 (retrap from 2004, bird is at least 6
years old)


Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
www.ncbo.org

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Subject: re-captured tree swallow Tachycineta bicolor
From: David Mitchell <davidmitchell3 AT HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 15:48:21 -0400
	A banded female tree swallow Tachycineta bicolor is nesting in a box
on a monitored nest-box trail near Purcellville, Virginia USA.

 I am guessing the band is not USGS issued. The metal seemed different than
that of the bands from the USGS Bird Banding Lab. Plus the 8 digit number,
with a 3 digit prefix ending in 0, was unexpected.

840 50609

I submitted a report through http://www.reportband.gov.

Does anybody have a notion of who banded this bird? If you do can you let me
know? 

I have more information about the bird and can share it if you are the
bander and would like more details.

Regards,

David Mitchell
Virginia Bluebird Society

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Subject: Saturday morning banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:31:53 -0500
I banded this morning at my school site after the rain stopped.
Things started slow but by 1:00 pm I had 13 birds of 8 species. "Best
bird" was a Yellow-bellied Flycatcher. Photos are posted at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Totals are:

Tennessee Warbler - 1
American Redstart - 3
Trail's Flycatcher (Willow/Alder complex) - 1
Least Flycatcher - 1
Yellow-bellied Flycatcher - 1
American Goldfinch - 4
Red-eyed Vireo - 1
Gray Catbird - 1

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: Saturday morning banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:31:53 -0500
I banded this morning at my school site after the rain stopped.
Things started slow but by 1:00 pm I had 13 birds of 8 species. "Best
bird" was a Yellow-bellied Flycatcher. Photos are posted at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Totals are:

Tennessee Warbler - 1
American Redstart - 3
Trail's Flycatcher (Willow/Alder complex) - 1
Least Flycatcher - 1
Yellow-bellied Flycatcher - 1
American Goldfinch - 4
Red-eyed Vireo - 1
Gray Catbird - 1

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
www.ncbo.org

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Subject: Saturday morning banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 15:31:53 -0500
I banded this morning at my school site after the rain stopped.
Things started slow but by 1:00 pm I had 13 birds of 8 species. "Best
bird" was a Yellow-bellied Flycatcher. Photos are posted at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Totals are:

Tennessee Warbler - 1
American Redstart - 3
Trail's Flycatcher (Willow/Alder complex) - 1
Least Flycatcher - 1
Yellow-bellied Flycatcher - 1
American Goldfinch - 4
Red-eyed Vireo - 1
Gray Catbird - 1

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
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Subject: Re: spidertech
From: John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT EMPACC.NET>
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:00:23 -0400
Lester,

 Try Jan at the above address. We also have a link to his site on our website. 
I 

believe you could order that way as well.
John
-- 
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Field Ornithologists
Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory
5373 Fitzgerald Road
Burdett,NY 14818-9626
 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/
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> Hi,
>
> Anyone know how I can get a hold of Jan at Spidertech? I need to order some
> nets.....
>
> Thanks
>
> Lester Peyton
> Harrison, Ohio
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Subject: spidertech
From: Lester Peyton <lesterap AT FUSE.NET>
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:31:32 -0400
Hi,

Anyone know how I can get a hold of Jan at Spidertech? I need to order some 
nets..... 


Thanks

Lester Peyton
Harrison, Ohio

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Subject: Hilton Pond 05/01/09
From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 22:40:18 -0400
It's been a while since we posted a contest to our Web site, so "This
Week at Hilton Pond" we've designed a Mayflower Quiz. No, it's not a
test about your knowledge of the Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock
but of plants we found blooming in South Carolina or West Virginia
during the first part of this month. To view our photo essay for
1-21 May 2009--and to see how many Mayflowers you can identify--please
visit
<>

As always we include a tally of all birds banded or recaptured, and
there were quite a few of both during the period. Of particular
interest is a mug shot of a Prothonotary Warbler female in breeding
plumage--a species not previously reported as nesting in York County SC.

Happy Nature Watching!

BILL
-- 

RESEARCH PROGRAM
c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845

Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org
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Subject: An Australian bird banding blog
From: Anthony Overs <anthony.overs AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 22:08:51 +1000
Hi all

If you are interested, I have just started a blog about my bird banding
trips. I am involved in several projects in Australia. The blog is a
convenient way of keeping various people updated with what we've been doing
(in particular, the rangers responsible for the parks we work in!).

The address is http://birdbander.blogspot.com/

Any feedback welcome

Regards

Anthony Overs
Canberra, Australia

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Subject: Bulk of Migrants Have Left the South
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:28:24 -0500
For those of you wondering where all the migrants are, the radar from
Sunday night shows that the bulk of migrants have moved out of the
gulf states (with a few still in Texas) and are concentrated in the
mid-Mississippi Valley. States like Iowa, Illinois and Nebraska. The
area of heaviest radar returns should continue to creep north over
the next couple of weeks.

Sunday night image can be seen at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Roger Everhart
North Central Bird Observatory
Apple Valley, MN
www.ncbo.org



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