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17 Mar Re: One more Junco photo [M Lancaster ] 17 Mar One more Junco photo ["R.D. Everhart" ] 16 Mar any news of migration?? [Manuel Grosselet ] 15 Mar Another Hybrid Puzzle ["R.D. Everhart" ] 15 Mar Another Hybrid Puzzle ["R.D. Everhart" ] 15 Mar Another Hybrid Puzzle ["R.D. Everhart" ] 9 Mar new email address ["scraig10 AT juno.com" ] 7 Mar Re: moving Bandit between computers [Bob Reilly ] 7 Mar Re: moving Bandit between computers [M Lancaster ] 6 Mar moving Bandit between computers [Bob Reilly ] 5 Mar Re: Distance sampling workshops, August/September 2010, University of St. Andrews [Eric Rexstad ] 3 Mar Possible Early Migratory Movements in Southern Great Plains ["R.D. Everhart" ] 3 Mar Possible Early Migratory Movements in Southern Great Plains ["R.D. Everhart" ] 3 Mar Possible Early Migratory Movements in Southern Great Plains ["R.D. Everhart" ] 2 Mar Re: Fw: [BIRDBAND] mist net sales [Mara McDonald ] 2 Mar Re: Fw: [BIRDBAND] mist net sales [Geert De Smet ] 2 Mar mist net sales [Steven Gabrey ] 2 Mar Fw: [BIRDBAND] mist net sales [M Lancaster ] 1 Mar Re: mist net sales [Adrienne Leppold ] 1 Mar Re: mist net sales [Scott Weidensaul ] 1 Mar mist net sales ["T. K. Tolford" ] 28 Feb Re: Non-licensed Mist Net Sales [Scott Weidensaul ] 28 Feb Non-licensed Mist Net Sales ["T. K. Tolford" ] 27 Feb Re: Is this net selling co on the up and up? [James Cracknell ] 26 Feb Re: Is this net selling co on the up and up? [Anya Illes ] 26 Feb Is this net selling co on the up and up? [bill elrick ] 26 Feb Hilton Pond 02/15/10 (Costa Rica Portfolio) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 25 Feb Vancouver Avian Research Centre - Banding Position ["Derek J. 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["Thorndill, David T." ] 8 Jan RFI: cold weather banding? - thanks!! [Charlie ] 8 Jan Re: HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? [Andrew Boyle ] 8 Jan Re: HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? [Mara McDonald ] 8 Jan Re: HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? [Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick ] 8 Jan Re: HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 8 Jan HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? [Charlie ] 8 Jan NEW EMAIL ADDRESS ["scraig10 AT juno.com" ] 7 Jan 2009 hummingbird banding report ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 7 Jan bird plumage study [Jonathan Drury ] 5 Jan Blog update ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 3 Jan Hilton Pond 12/29/09 (Banding Highlights) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 2 Jan Vancouver Avian Research Centre - New Website ["Derek J. Matthews" ] 1 Jan Hilton Pond 12/22/09 (Christmas Bird Count) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 31 Dec Colour banded Northern Flickers ["Derek J. Matthews" ] 24 Dec Bird banding blog update [Anthony Overs ] 23 Dec Hilton Pond 12/12/09 ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] 22 Dec Metro Beach Fall 2009 Banding Report ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 15 Dec Hummingbird blog update ["Allen T. Chartier" ] 11 Dec Hilton Pond 12/01/09 (Rufous Hummingbird) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ] Subject: Re: One more Junco photo From: M Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:08:48 -0000 Juvenile Juncos have streaking on the back and at least some show vague 'moustachial stripes'. I believe this to be a 'first winter' bird possibly with aberrant plumage. But who knows? Barry M B Lancaster Currently, Addlestone UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.D. Everhart" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:19 PM Subject: [BIRDBAND] One more Junco photo I have had quite a few responses about the possible hybrid junco photos I posted without an easy consensus. There is some thought it might just be an aberrant bird and others suggest it could be a hybrid but not with White-throated Sparrow. I have posted one more photo on my blog that shows a back pattern that might be another clue. If you double click on the photo it will give you a pretty good look at a pattern that suggests a non-junco lineage. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: One more Junco photo From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:19:59 -0500 I have had quite a few responses about the possible hybrid junco photos I posted without an easy consensus. There is some thought it might just be an aberrant bird and others suggest it could be a hybrid but not with White-throated Sparrow. I have posted one more photo on my blog that shows a back pattern that might be another clue. If you double click on the photo it will give you a pretty good look at a pattern that suggests a non-junco lineage. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: any news of migration?? From: Manuel Grosselet <birdinnet AT YAHOO.COM.MX> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:59:35 -0700 we are working in the southern part of Mexico, and we get alm Hi Guys, we are working in the southern part of Mexico, and we get almost nothing as migratory birds, moving around. we have local recapture of the COYE, YEWA and OROR.. Somebody have something interesting to told us...Some radar data? or banding station?? Let us know Manuel www.tierradeaves.com Encuentra las mejores recetas en Yahoo! Cocina. http://mx.mujer.yahoo.com/cocina/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Another Hybrid Puzzle From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:56:44 -0500 Since we're on the subject of hybrids, I have a friend in Texas doing bird surveys this winter who sent me some photos of a bird which suggests a hybrid Dark-eyed Junco with a White-throated Sparrow. I have posted his photos on my blog and welcome any comments on this bird. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, Minnesota www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Another Hybrid Puzzle From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:56:44 -0500 Since we're on the subject of hybrids, I have a friend in Texas doing bird surveys this winter who sent me some photos of a bird which suggests a hybrid Dark-eyed Junco with a White-throated Sparrow. I have posted his photos on my blog and welcome any comments on this bird. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, Minnesota www.ncbo.org #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: Another Hybrid Puzzle From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:56:44 -0500 Since we're on the subject of hybrids, I have a friend in Texas doing bird surveys this winter who sent me some photos of a bird which suggests a hybrid Dark-eyed Junco with a White-throated Sparrow. I have posted his photos on my blog and welcome any comments on this bird. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, Minnesota www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: new email address From: "scraig10 AT juno.com" <scraig10@JUNO.COM> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:52:22 GMT Please change my email address to scraig10 AT q.com Thank you - Susan Craig ---------- Original Message ---------- From: BIRDBAND automatic digest system To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: BIRDBAND Digest - 2 Mar 2010 to 3 Mar 2010 (#2010-29) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 00:23:47 -0700 There is 1 message totalling 26 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Possible Early Migratory Movements in Southern Great Plains subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:39:37 -0600 From: "R.D. Everhart" Subject: Possible Early Migratory Movements in Southern Great Plains Hey everybody, I just checked doppler radar and it looks like there might be some migratory movement in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebraska=2E This is the second night in a row I've seen this pattern=2E From the color of the returns it appears the numbers of birds moving is not high but it's something=2E Image is posted on my blog=2E=20 http://minnesotabirdnerd=2Eblogspot=2Ecom Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www=2Encbo=2Ecom subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm ------------------------------ End of BIRDBAND Digest - 2 Mar 2010 to 3 Mar 2010 (#2010-29) ************************************************************ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: moving Bandit between computers From: Bob Reilly <rjreilly AT VCU.EDU> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:08:35 -0500 Thanks Robert and Barry. Your recommendations to install the latest Bandit version and then just restore to that from an up-to-date backup file worked flawlessly. Best, Bob M Lancaster wrote: > Bob, > The simplest solution is to download the latest version, then restore > from backup taken from the old computer. > > I have had a problem (now solved) with bandit crashing every time I > wished to send a submission ( for some reason 'MAIL' files were > missing on my laptop - did not occur with my desktop). The only method > to get back to square one (at least for me) was the above recommendation. > > However, any columns that you have moved to suit a personal preference > will have to be 'dragged' again as Bandit automatically goes default. > Something that ought to be fixed, otherwise every time there is a new > version (:-)) this will occur. > > Barry > M B Lancaster > Currently, Addlestone UK > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Reilly" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 4:09 PM > Subject: [BIRDBAND] moving Bandit between computers > > >> Am wondering what the current procedure is for moving Bandit(with >> inverntory and all records) from one computer to another. >> >> Best, >> Bob Reilly >> >> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand >> web site: >> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand > web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: moving Bandit between computers From: M Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:22:46 -0000 Bob, The simplest solution is to download the latest version, then restore from backup taken from the old computer. I have had a problem (now solved) with bandit crashing every time I wished to send a submission ( for some reason 'MAIL' files were missing on my laptop - did not occur with my desktop). The only method to get back to square one (at least for me) was the above recommendation. However, any columns that you have moved to suit a personal preference will have to be 'dragged' again as Bandit automatically goes default. Something that ought to be fixed, otherwise every time there is a new version (:-)) this will occur. Barry M B Lancaster Currently, Addlestone UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Reilly" To: Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: [BIRDBAND] moving Bandit between computers > Am wondering what the current procedure is for moving Bandit(with > inverntory and all records) from one computer to another. > > Best, > Bob Reilly > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: moving Bandit between computers From: Bob Reilly <rjreilly AT VCU.EDU> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 11:09:58 -0500 Am wondering what the current procedure is for moving Bandit(with inverntory and all records) from one computer to another. Best, Bob Reilly subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Distance sampling workshops, August/September 2010, University of St. Andrews From: Eric Rexstad <ericr AT MCS.ST-AND.AC.UK> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:02:23 +0000 The Centre for Research into Ecological and Environmental Modelling (CREEM) is hosting two linked workshops in the summer of 2010 in our purpose-built facilities at the University of St Andrews, Scotland. The aim of these workshops is to train participants in the latest methods for design and analysis of distance sampling surveys, including line and point transects. The workshops are taught by leading researchers in the field, using industry-standard software. The first workshop (24-27 August) will run at an introductory level, and will focus on "conventional" distance sampling methods, as described in the standard reference book "Introduction to Distance Sampling." The workshop will be a blend of theory and practice and participants will learn how to use the program "Distance." Participants will gain a solid grounding in both survey design and methods of analysis for distance sampling surveys. The advanced distance sampling workshop (30 August - 1 September) will include advanced treatment of: incorporating covariates in detection function modelling, analyses in which detectability on the transect line is not assumed to be perfect (the so-called g(0) problem), automated survey design, advanced stratified survey analysis, advanced trend analysis, and adaptive survey designs. The aim of this workshop is to bring participants up to date with the latest developments in distance sampling methods and software. It is also an opportunity for those actively engaged in the design, analysis and execution of distance sampling surveys to discuss common issues and problems, and set future research directions. The workshop will be a combination of lectures and computer sessions, with considerable time for discussion. For both workshops, participants are encouraged to bring their own data sets, and can expect to do some preliminary analyses with their data. Computer sessions take place in our modern computer classroom (attached to the seminar room); participants can use our computers or bring their own laptop computers. Additional details regarding the workshop can be found at our website http://www.ruwpa.st-and.ac.uk/distance.workshops/distance2010/workshop_overview.html subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Possible Early Migratory Movements in Southern Great Plains From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:39:37 -0600 Hey everybody, I just checked doppler radar and it looks like there might be some migratory movement in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebraska. This is the second night in a row I've seen this pattern. >From the color of the returns it appears the numbers of birds moving is not high but it's something. Image is posted on my blog. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.com _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Possible Early Migratory Movements in Southern Great Plains From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:39:37 -0600 Hey everybody, I just checked doppler radar and it looks like there might be some migratory movement in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebraska. This is the second night in a row I've seen this pattern. From the color of the returns it appears the numbers of birds moving is not high but it's something. Image is posted on my blog. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.com #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: http://www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn. Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: http://www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn. Subject: Possible Early Migratory Movements in Southern Great Plains From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:39:37 -0600 Hey everybody, I just checked doppler radar and it looks like there might be some migratory movement in the states of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Nebraska. This is the second night in a row I've seen this pattern. From the color of the returns it appears the numbers of birds moving is not high but it's something. Image is posted on my blog. http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN www.ncbo.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Fw: [BIRDBAND] mist net sales From: Mara McDonald <mamcdona AT WISC.EDU> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 13:25:13 -0600 I actually assumed that was true for mist nets in this country. I think it might be well-worth those of us concerned about this situation to contact BBL and FWS, as well as individual senators. Mara McDonald Biocore Prairie Bird Observatory University of Wisconsin-Madison On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Geert De Smet wrote: > Hi all > > This might depend on the country you live in: in Belgium is it absolutely 100% illegal to sell mistnets > (and some other kinds of trapping equipment). You may not sell them, you may not own them > and (evidently) you may not use them without a permit. > > Best regards > Geert De Smet > Ringing group 5 "Durme" Belgium > > Op 02/03/2010 8:09, M Lancaster schreef: >> Hi Folks, >> This is exactly as I suspected. There is nothing illegal about selling mist >> nets. >> >> It is the use to which they are put that MIGHT be illegal. In the case of >> banding, it is pretty much a recognised fact (if not actually a legal >> requirement) that if being purchased for use in banding birds then a) most >> companies would request a permit number ( although I have never been asked >> to provide proof of identity) and b) one cannot band without a permit - >> although again, whether that is a legal requirement or a technical >> requirement I am not sure. >> >> It is for example perfectly legal to band captive bred birds (at least in >> Europe) - indeed, with many societies it is a requirement to band chicks >> with a CLOSED ring as proof of breeding. >> >> In some countries it is perfectly legal to trap wild birds for avicultural >> purposes, and in yet others only specific species may be trapped after >> acquiring a permit to do so. >> >> Virtually throughout the world, birds regarded as pests can be caught or >> destroyed by whatever means possible without any legal hindrance. >> >> So, in essence it does not surprise me that selling Mist Nets is not >> illegal. >> >> Barry >> M B Lancaster, >> Currently - Addlestone, UK >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. K. Tolford" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:46 PM >> Subject: [BIRDBAND] mist net sales >> >> >>> I have the answer from the Bird Banding Laboratory thanks to Bruce >>> Peterjohn's quick reply! >>> >>> Federally, it is legal to sell the nets without requiring a permit as some >>> of you suspected/suggested. However, each state may have their own >>> regulations regarding the sale of mist nets. >>> >>> USFWS is the regulating body. >>> >>> For some of you, this may be old news. I've never asked the question >>> because I always presumed noone could buy them without a permit. I learned >>> something new! I don't know who did so, but thanks for raising the >>> question! >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> Tim Tolford >>> www.hbrcnet.org >>> >>> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web >>> site: >>> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm >> >> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm >> > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Fw: [BIRDBAND] mist net sales From: Geert De Smet <g.de.smet AT SKYNET.BE> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:06:12 +0100 Hi all This might depend on the country you live in: in Belgium is it absolutely 100% illegal to sell mistnets (and some other kinds of trapping equipment). You may not sell them, you may not own them and (evidently) you may not use them without a permit. Best regards Geert De Smet Ringing group 5 "Durme" Belgium Op 02/03/2010 8:09, M Lancaster schreef: > Hi Folks, > This is exactly as I suspected. There is nothing illegal about selling > mist > nets. > > It is the use to which they are put that MIGHT be illegal. In the case of > banding, it is pretty much a recognised fact (if not actually a legal > requirement) that if being purchased for use in banding birds then a) > most > companies would request a permit number ( although I have never been > asked > to provide proof of identity) and b) one cannot band without a permit - > although again, whether that is a legal requirement or a technical > requirement I am not sure. > > It is for example perfectly legal to band captive bred birds (at least in > Europe) - indeed, with many societies it is a requirement to band chicks > with a CLOSED ring as proof of breeding. > > In some countries it is perfectly legal to trap wild birds for > avicultural > purposes, and in yet others only specific species may be trapped after > acquiring a permit to do so. > > Virtually throughout the world, birds regarded as pests can be caught or > destroyed by whatever means possible without any legal hindrance. > > So, in essence it does not surprise me that selling Mist Nets is not > illegal. > > Barry > M B Lancaster, > Currently - Addlestone, UK > ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. K. Tolford" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:46 PM > Subject: [BIRDBAND] mist net sales > > >> I have the answer from the Bird Banding Laboratory thanks to Bruce >> Peterjohn's quick reply! >> >> Federally, it is legal to sell the nets without requiring a permit as >> some >> of you suspected/suggested. However, each state may have their own >> regulations regarding the sale of mist nets. >> >> USFWS is the regulating body. >> >> For some of you, this may be old news. I've never asked the question >> because I always presumed noone could buy them without a permit. I >> learned >> something new! I don't know who did so, but thanks for raising the >> question! >> >> Tim >> >> Tim Tolford >> www.hbrcnet.org >> >> subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web >> site: >> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand > web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: mist net sales From: Steven Gabrey <steveng AT NSULA.EDU> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:46:33 -0600 On the topic of permits and mist nets, several years ago I looked into bal-chatri traps from a falconry supply company in WA. I asked if they needed my permit number and the response was essentially what you all got about the nets. They will sell to whoever orders their equipment (from traps to anything else for falconry), it is up to the user to ensure that the equipment is used legally and with the proper permit. Steven W. Gabrey, PhD Biology Dept. Northwestern State University Natchitoches, LA 71497 318-357-5375 fax: 318-357-4518 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Fw: [BIRDBAND] mist net sales From: M Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 07:09:25 -0000 Hi Folks, This is exactly as I suspected. There is nothing illegal about selling mist nets. It is the use to which they are put that MIGHT be illegal. In the case of banding, it is pretty much a recognised fact (if not actually a legal requirement) that if being purchased for use in banding birds then a) most companies would request a permit number ( although I have never been asked to provide proof of identity) and b) one cannot band without a permit - although again, whether that is a legal requirement or a technical requirement I am not sure. It is for example perfectly legal to band captive bred birds (at least in Europe) - indeed, with many societies it is a requirement to band chicks with a CLOSED ring as proof of breeding. In some countries it is perfectly legal to trap wild birds for avicultural purposes, and in yet others only specific species may be trapped after acquiring a permit to do so. Virtually throughout the world, birds regarded as pests can be caught or destroyed by whatever means possible without any legal hindrance. So, in essence it does not surprise me that selling Mist Nets is not illegal. Barry M B Lancaster, Currently - Addlestone, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. K. Tolford" To: Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: [BIRDBAND] mist net sales >I have the answer from the Bird Banding Laboratory thanks to Bruce >Peterjohn's quick reply! > > Federally, it is legal to sell the nets without requiring a permit as some > of you suspected/suggested. However, each state may have their own > regulations regarding the sale of mist nets. > > USFWS is the regulating body. > > For some of you, this may be old news. I've never asked the question > because I always presumed noone could buy them without a permit. I learned > something new! I don't know who did so, but thanks for raising the > question! > > Tim > > Tim Tolford > www.hbrcnet.org > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: mist net sales From: Adrienne Leppold <aleppold AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:45:16 -0500 Hi All, I am kind of jumping in the Mist Net conversation late, so I am not sure I know what companies you are referring to. But. it seems like maybe this would be a good thing to contact Ellen Paul and the OC about addressing. To be honest, it was news to me you could get a net without a permit (besides the black market, of course :) I don't know what kind of forum could be established to raise this as an issue beyond the scope of just this one company. Maybe this is something that should be changed at the federal level. Just a thought Best, -- Adrienne J. Leppold PhD Student University of Maine Ecology and Environmental Sciences 217 Murray Hall Orono, ME 04473 207-581-2547 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: mist net sales From: Scott Weidensaul <scottweidensaul AT VERIZON.NET> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:16:47 -0500 I would suggest someone purchase a net from this company, to confirm that no permit proof is required. If it isn't, then all the U.S. banders on this list should direct letters of complaint to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, copied to the company. That may either jar the feds into action, or (more likely) perhaps scare the company into mending its ways. Scott Weidensaul Schuylkill Haven, PA USA >I have the answer from the Bird Banding Laboratory thanks to Bruce >Peterjohn's quick reply! > >Federally, it is legal to sell the nets without requiring a permit >as some of you suspected/suggested. However, each state may have >their own regulations regarding the sale of mist nets. > >USFWS is the regulating body. > >For some of you, this may be old news. I've never asked the question >because I always presumed noone could buy them without a permit. I >learned something new! I don't know who did so, but thanks for >raising the question! > >Tim > >Tim Tolford >www.hbrcnet.org > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: mist net sales From: "T. K. Tolford" <bandertt AT TOLFORD.COM> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:46:20 -0500 I have the answer from the Bird Banding Laboratory thanks to Bruce Peterjohn's quick reply! Federally, it is legal to sell the nets without requiring a permit as some of you suspected/suggested. However, each state may have their own regulations regarding the sale of mist nets. USFWS is the regulating body. For some of you, this may be old news. I've never asked the question because I always presumed noone could buy them without a permit. I learned something new! I don't know who did so, but thanks for raising the question! Tim Tim Tolford www.hbrcnet.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Non-licensed Mist Net Sales From: Scott Weidensaul <scottweidensaul AT VERIZON.NET> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:36:32 -0500 While there's definitely a danger of sales to unlicensed users in the U.S., I'm actually more concerned about the possible resale/distribution to bird traffickers overseas. I assume someone from the U.S. Bird Banding Lab monitors this list; if so, am I correct in assuming that while it is illegal to use a mist net without proper authorization, it may not illegal to sell them without requiring proof of permit, as do Avinet and other responsible dealers? And given that this company appears to have a major pest-control focus, what requirements, if any, are in place on the use of mist nets by private pest control contractors, and how likely is it that other companies are doing the same thing? Scott Weidensaul Schuylkill Haven, PA USA >I think someone should confront them. I encountered a "rogue" bander >in southern Ohio who entered private property to capture a rare bird >by saying he was from a university. He had a young girl "student" >with him and the caretaker of the property didn't question him as >one University has been active with field trips and research for >many, many years. The University the "professor" SAID he was from >didn't know him ... or didn't acknowledge they knew him. > >He TOLD the caretaker he was taking the bird for study. He failed to >show any permits or licensed. > >When I arrived a couple days later, the caretaker told me about him. >The local metro parks had no knowledge of him, either. I contacted >all the universities within two hours who had licensed bird banders >and none of them knew anything about this man by description of him >or his car. > >He got away with taking one of only three of a species that had not >been seen in the area in many, many years during the breeding >season. It could have been the only female that may have produced a >brood. > >When I have some extra time, I may contact them. In the meantime, if >any of you have the time please question this company so we can >prevent unauthorized people from getting their hands on our mist >nets. It won't prevent anyone from getting mist nets, but it will >help on some level. I will forward the discussion to Bruce Peterjohn >at the BBL. I'm sure one of you may have done this already. If so, >he'll get duplicates. > >Tim Tolford >www.hbrcnet.org > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Non-licensed Mist Net Sales From: "T. K. Tolford" <bandertt AT TOLFORD.COM> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:45:51 -0500 I think someone should confront them. I encountered a "rogue" bander in southern Ohio who entered private property to capture a rare bird by saying he was from a university. He had a young girl "student" with him and the caretaker of the property didn't question him as one University has been active with field trips and research for many, many years. The University the "professor" SAID he was from didn't know him ... or didn't acknowledge they knew him. He TOLD the caretaker he was taking the bird for study. He failed to show any permits or licensed. When I arrived a couple days later, the caretaker told me about him. The local metro parks had no knowledge of him, either. I contacted all the universities within two hours who had licensed bird banders and none of them knew anything about this man by description of him or his car. He got away with taking one of only three of a species that had not been seen in the area in many, many years during the breeding season. It could have been the only female that may have produced a brood. When I have some extra time, I may contact them. In the meantime, if any of you have the time please question this company so we can prevent unauthorized people from getting their hands on our mist nets. It won't prevent anyone from getting mist nets, but it will help on some level. I will forward the discussion to Bruce Peterjohn at the BBL. I'm sure one of you may have done this already. If so, he'll get duplicates. Tim Tolford www.hbrcnet.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Is this net selling co on the up and up? From: James Cracknell <james AT JCRACKNELL.CO.UK> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:42:50 +0000 Given they are based in IL - is there any federal or state law they could be contravening? I would guess it is not illegal to sell nets, but it is illegal to use them without appropriate permits (or is it if you are just trying to catch unprotected species???). Therefore would they want to be involved/implicated in illegal activity? Perhaps it might be worth US Banders emailing them stating they wont purchase from them because they do not have any safeguards in place and that they are emailing others to state not to purchase of companies that fail to safeguard the welfare of our avifauna. J. On 27 February 2010 00:47, Anya Illes wrote: > In a test run for ordering, I was able to reach the credit card info page > and nowhere did they ask for a permit #. That's a bit freaky. > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Is this net selling co on the up and up? From: Anya Illes <ailles AT U.WASHINGTON.EDU> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:47:52 -0800 In a test run for ordering, I was able to reach the credit card info page and nowhere did they ask for a permit #. That's a bit freaky. Also they give very very basic instructions for how to use nets. That is info that someone who is trained would already know. And one has to be trained to be able to order under a permit number... There is this warning in their instructions: "It is up to you to check all local, state and federal restrictions regarding the capture of any wildlife using mist netting." Perhaps, since this looks like a company that caters to the pest-control business, they are trying suggest that the nets they sell are only for use on the very few completely unprotected species in North America (I dunno - house sparrows? starlings?)? Unless they ask for a permit # AFTER the order is place this website seems fishy. Anya Illes __________________________________________________ Anya E. Illes Doctoral Candidate University of Washington Biology Department 24 Kincaid Hall Box 351800 Seattle, WA, USA 98195-1800 ailles AT u.washington.edu www.ailles.com bill elrick wrote: > Hi, I came across this advertisement and it does seem like they would to > sell to non banders. > > >>> http://www.nixalite.com/mistnetting.aspx?gclid=CNf36uj8kKACFUuU7QodxVMcow# >>> > ORDER_MIST_NETS_HERE<< > Anyone know if they are a genuine company? > > Bill Elrick > Wyckoff > NJ > 07481 > Skype me as " Bilbander " > belrick AT NYNJBirdingGuide.com > http://nynjbirdingguide.com/ > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Is this net selling co on the up and up? From: bill elrick <belrick AT OPTONLINE.NET> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:49:14 -0500 Hi, I came across this advertisement and it does seem like they would to sell to non banders. >>http://www.nixalite.com/mistnetting.aspx?gclid=CNf36uj8kKACFUuU7QodxVMcow# ORDER_MIST_NETS_HERE<< Anyone know if they are a genuine company? Bill Elrick Wyckoff NJ 07481 Skype me as " Bilbander " belrick AT NYNJBirdingGuide.com http://nynjbirdingguide.com/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 02/15/10 (Costa Rica Portfolio) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:22:24 -0500 Really big hummingbirds, treetop monkeys, colorful flowers and fruits, lizards and snakes, and even a unusual Costa Rican election strategy. All this (and more) makes up Part Two of the report on our 2010 Operation RubyThroat hummingbird banding expedition to Guanacaste Province CR. To view our latest photo essay about all these tropical wonders, please visit the 15-21 February 2010 installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond" at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek100215.html . (NOTE: There are LOTS of images--46 to be exact--so the page may take a while to load!) While on-site, don't forget to scroll down to see what birds we banded or recaptured this week closer to home--you may be as amazed as we were by the age of one returning Chipping Sparrow--and to read some miscellaneous nature notes. Happy (Tropical) Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Vancouver Avian Research Centre - Banding Position From: "Derek J. Matthews" <Derek.J.Matthews AT SPECTRUM-CANADA.COM> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:51:19 -0800 The Vancouver Avian Research Centre is seeking an experienced BIRD BANDER to help undertake a comprehensive bird study at Colony Farm Regional Park in Vancouver, BC, Canada. The study will use a combination of bird-banding and point-counts to determine relative abundance of migratory and resident birds and identify areas of high habitat value for birds in the park. Primary duties will be to assist with all aspects of the daily banding operations, the daily census, data entry and overseeing volunteers. This is an excellent opportunity to take your avian knowledge, ageing/sexing and banding skills to a whole new level by working closely with a leading Canadian master bander and trainer at a HIGH VOLUME and HIGH PROFILE banding station in beautiful Vancouver, British Columbia! Situated at the confluence of the Coquitlam and Fraser Rivers, Colony Farm Regional Park protects some of the most ecologically diverse lands in the Greater Vancouver Regional District and provides habitat for a wide variety of birds including locally rare and uncommon species, such as Northern Shrike (Lanius excubitor), Lazuli Bunting (Passerina amoena), Eastern Kingbird (Tyrannus tyrannus) and Western Kingbird (Tyrannus verticalis). The area is considered a local hot spot for rare birds and is a favorite birding destination. Applicants must have prior banding experience, be able to identify most western NA species, be energetic, enthusiastic and willing to learn and improve their existing bird ID and banding skills. The project will run from April 1st to October 31st for 5 hours from dawn on 5 days each week - Salary $2,000 Cdn per month. Interested applicants should send an email with their resume covering full details of their bird banding experience and contact information for references to DerekATbirdvancouver.com Derek J Matthews Master Bander - Bander-in-Charge Vancouver Avian Research Centre www.birdvancouver.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Color-marked Piping Plovers from The Bahamas From: Peter Doherty <leasttern AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:59:39 -0500 Greetings, All. During Jan-Feb 2010 fifty-seven Piping Plovers were color marked on three islands in The Bahamas. Kindly keep an eye out for these birds during the spring and fall migration and the breeding season. Sightings, including those about which the observer is uncertain (note: there a very few color-banded Piping Plovers in the Atlantic population so one with a black flag is likely from The Bahamas), may be reported per the instructions below. Additional information and pictures of The Bahamas Plovers may be found in the CVWO at First Landing blog of February 24, 2010 by visiting www.cvwo.org . PIPING PLOVERS COLOR-MARKED IN THE BAHAMAS – In an effort to determine where Piping Plovers wintering in The Bahamas are staging during migration, and breeding, 57 birds were uniquely color-marked this winter in The Bahamas for Environment Canada by Sidney Maddock and Peter Doherty, with help from The Bahamas National Trust. Each bird has a black flag (band with a tab sticking out slightly) on the upper left leg, nothing on the upper right, a single color band on one lower leg, and two color bands (which can be the same color on top of each other) on the other lower leg. Colors used included: red, orange, yellow, white, light green, dark green, dark blue, and black. Please report all sightings to CHERI GRATTO-TREVOR, Prairie and Northern Wildlife Research Centre, Environment Canada, 115 Perimeter Road, Saskatoon, SK S7N 0X4 Canada (EM: cheri.gratto-trevor AT ec.gc.ca), noting the color and location of each band on the bird, and location and behaviour of the bird (on nest or brood, foraging at migratory stop-over, etc.), as well as presumed sex of the bird, if possible. Thanks for any assistance! Peter Doherty Virginia Beach, VA leasttern AT hotmail.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 01/26/10 (Costa Rica Hummingbirds) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:00:15 -0500 We're especially pleased to announce the latest edition of "This Week at Hilton Pond" for two main reasons: 1) The installment includes a photo essay about our just-completed Ruby-throated Hummingbird expedition to Costa Rica, and 2) This posting marks the Tenth Anniversary of the debut of the Hilton Pond Web site and our "This Week" musings. Little did we know 'way back on Groundhog Day 2000 we would have written and photographed 464 installments, with many more--we hope--still in the pipeline. We hope you've enjoyed our natural history offerings over the past decade and invite you to view our latest photo essay, complete with Neotropical images and day-to-day results of our latest Costa Rican hummer banding studies. It's all at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek100126.html Next week we'll offer a portfolio with even more photos of exotic flora, fauna, and habitats seen on our most recent trip. Happy (Tropical) Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: 2/20/10 Banding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:12:59 -0600 Hi All, Had a nice day to band, no wind and relatively warm. Totals and a couple of pictures are at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: 2/20/10 Banding From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:12:59 -0600 Hi All, Had a nice day to band, no wind and relatively warm. Totals and a couple of pictures are at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Apple Valley, MN subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: how to capture and handle American bitterns From: Frank Bubo <frankbubo AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:15:19 -0800 Look up Dr. John Toepfer of Plover, Wisconsin in the standard ornithological directory. He has banded American bitterns as well as radio-tagged and tracked them and could certainly offer advice on trapping, handling, etc. He is not good about returning emails, but his email address is jtoepfer AT coredcs.com. He is out of state in the field at this time. On 2/20/10, The Murphy's wrote: > > Greeting folks when you teach students one never knows what will capture > their interest. I have taught a program that teaches 16 year olds how to > band birds and every year they want to band American bitterns. I have > always told them that it was impossible however a student just came across > something called a mirror trap. I am looking for plans and for some > feedback on whether banding bitterns would make for a viable long term > study > at our marsh. We noted that only 900 have been banded over the years but we > have a significant population of bitterns at our marsh in north eastern > Ontario and would think we would be able to get some returns over the > years. > As well somewhere I heard that special care must be taken when handling > them. Any advice on bitterns would be greatly appreciated my students are > totally captivated by the "thunder pumper" and for me if I can fan the > spark of their interest then I can come close to calling myself a teacher. > Thanks in advance Bruce Murphy > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: how to capture and handle American bitterns From: Scott Weidensaul <scottweidensaul AT VERIZON.NET> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:53:53 -0500 I had a similar experience once 30+ years ago, as a newly minted wildlife rehabber who worked mostly with raptors. I was called out on a tri-colored heron (Egretta tricolor) starving near a frozen pond, and when I picked it up it hit me in the face, knocking out one lens in my eyeglasses but probably saving the sight in that eye. I have had a very healthy respect for wading birds and the potential damage they can inflict ever since. Scott Weidensaul Schuylkill Haven, PA USA >BRUCE . . . > >One suggestion: Have your students wear heavy-duty full-coverage >safety goggles when handling bitterns or any other members of the >egret/heron family. > >All these birds are notorious for striking at the eyes of potential >predators. I was a little slack one day while photographing a >hand-held Green Heron that struck at me and just missed my eye; >instead the bill hit my temple and even then I saw stars and almost >went to my knees. I'm sure I would have been blinded if the bird had >hit its target, so I can imagine the damage a much-larger bittern >might cause. > >I'm glad you are involving students in such work. They are the future. > >Happy Banding, > >BILL > > >On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:54 AM, The Murphy's wrote: > >> Greeting folks when you teach students one never knows what will capture >> their interest. I have taught a program that teaches 16 year olds how to >> band birds and every year they want to band American bitterns. I have >> always told them that it was impossible however a student just came across >> something called a mirror trap. I am looking for plans and for some >> feedback on whether banding bitterns would make for a viable long term study >> at our marsh. We noted that only 900 have been banded over the years but we >> have a significant population of bitterns at our marsh in north eastern >> Ontario and would think we would be able to get some returns over the years. >> As well somewhere I heard that special care must be taken when handling >> them. Any advice on bitterns would be greatly appreciated my students are >> totally captivated by the "thunder pumper" and for me if I can fan the >> spark of their interest then I can come close to calling myself a teacher. >> Thanks in advance Bruce Murphy >> > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: how to capture and handle American bitterns From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:22:04 -0500 BRUCE . . . One suggestion: Have your students wear heavy-duty full-coverage safety goggles when handling bitterns or any other members of the egret/heron family. All these birds are notorious for striking at the eyes of potential predators. I was a little slack one day while photographing a hand-held Green Heron that struck at me and just missed my eye; instead the bill hit my temple and even then I saw stars and almost went to my knees. I'm sure I would have been blinded if the bird had hit its target, so I can imagine the damage a much-larger bittern might cause. I'm glad you are involving students in such work. They are the future. Happy Banding, BILL On Feb 20, 2010, at 10:54 AM, The Murphy's wrote: > Greeting folks when you teach students one never knows what will capture > their interest. I have taught a program that teaches 16 year olds how to > band birds and every year they want to band American bitterns. I have > always told them that it was impossible however a student just came across > something called a mirror trap. I am looking for plans and for some > feedback on whether banding bitterns would make for a viable long term study > at our marsh. We noted that only 900 have been banded over the years but we > have a significant population of bitterns at our marsh in north eastern > Ontario and would think we would be able to get some returns over the years. > As well somewhere I heard that special care must be taken when handling > them. Any advice on bitterns would be greatly appreciated my students are > totally captivated by the "thunder pumper" and for me if I can fan the > spark of their interest then I can come close to calling myself a teacher. > Thanks in advance Bruce Murphy > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: how to capture and handle American bitterns From: The Murphy's <birdboy AT NTL.SYMPATICO.CA> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:54:15 -0500 Greeting folks when you teach students one never knows what will capture their interest. I have taught a program that teaches 16 year olds how to band birds and every year they want to band American bitterns. I have always told them that it was impossible however a student just came across something called a mirror trap. I am looking for plans and for some feedback on whether banding bitterns would make for a viable long term study at our marsh. We noted that only 900 have been banded over the years but we have a significant population of bitterns at our marsh in north eastern Ontario and would think we would be able to get some returns over the years. As well somewhere I heard that special care must be taken when handling them. Any advice on bitterns would be greatly appreciated my students are totally captivated by the "thunder pumper" and for me if I can fan the spark of their interest then I can come close to calling myself a teacher. Thanks in advance Bruce Murphy subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Maine Coast Banding Position From: Adrienne Leppold <aleppold AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:56:20 -0500 Hi All, Well, I have moved on from my days at Powdermill to conducting doctoral research at the University of Maine. I thought Powdermill would have prepared me for anything, but my first fall banding season on an offshore island in the Gulf of Maine was insane. I never thought I'd have to let birds go at the net unbanded. During a year when most other stations were recording record low fall numbers, we had a season capture rate of >1 bird/net hour. So, in preparing for future seasons, one thing is for sure, I need more help!!! So if you are interested, or know anyone who might be, please contact me. I do have funding, but volunteers would be welcome as well. BANDING ASSISTANT needed to help run a spring and fall migration banding station on an offshore island in the Gulf of Maine. Primary duties will be to assist with all aspects of daily banding operations, nighttime orientation tests, and data entry. Assistants will also be responsible for conducting daily ground census surveys for songbird migrants. This is an opportunity to hone your banding skills at a LARGE volume migration banding station with a North American Banding Council certified trainer, all the while taking in the beauty that the Maine Coast has to offer. Applicants must have some prior banding experience, be hard working, willing to learn new and/or improve existing banding skills, have a positive attitude, and be able to enjoy remote island life. Preference will be given to applicants with previous songbird survey experience. Tentative start and end dates for the spring season are *30 April-7 June* ($1,625 for five weeks) and *15 Aug-20 Oct* ($3,000 for 10 weeks) for the fall season. Funding is also available for a short-term position from 25 Sep-20 Oct. Island housing (and lobster) is included. Interested applicants should send a cover letter, resume, and contact information for three references to adrienne.leppold AT umit.maine.edu. Please include your interest in applying, any relevant experience, and the time period(s) for which you are available. Deadline is 14 March but applications will be reviewed as they are received. *This project is a collaborative effort between the USFWS Maine Coastal Islands NWR and the Univ. of Maine. * -- Adrienne J. Leppold PhD Student University of Maine Ecology and Environmental Sciences 217 Murray Hall Orono, ME 04473 207-581-2547 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Banded Snowy Owl wing tag V41 From: "Ingold, James" <James.Ingold AT LSUS.EDU> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:44:55 -0600 Someone posted Pictures of a wing tagged Snowy Owl to another listserv. Can anyone here claim that bird? Email me directly and I'll send the response on. James.ingold AT lsus.edu Jim Ingold This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee(s) and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, and/or EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this communication in error, please destroy all copies of the message, whether in electronic or hard copy format, as well as attachments and immediately contact the sender by replying to this email. subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Bird Banding Totals for 2009 From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:27:48 -0600 I was able to finally sit down and run numbers for my banding this past year. If anyone would like to take a look at numbers I have posted them on my blog at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com This represents banding at locations just south of the Twin Cities and at a location in western Wisconsin. _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s Subject: Bird Banding Totals for 2009 From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:27:48 -0600 I was able to finally sit down and run numbers for my banding this past year. If anyone would like to take a look at numbers I have posted them on my blog at: http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com This represents banding at locations just south of the Twin Cities and at a location in western Wisconsin. subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Bird Banding Workshops From: Andrew Vitz <acvitz AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:36:24 -0800 Bird Banding Workshops:  I would like to announce spring B Bird Banding Workshops:  I would like to announce spring Bird Banding Workshops at the Powdermill Avian Research Center in the mountains of western Pennsylvania.  For the Beginner Bird Banding workshop, participants will arrive on the afternoon/evening of April 27 and depart on the afternoon of May 2.  Participants in this workshop will have little or no experience with bird banding, and the emphasis of the workshop will be on developing skills in extracting birds from mist-nets and banding/collecting data on migratory birds.  In addition, participants will practice putting up and taking down mist-nets, species identification, and will be introduced to more advanced techniques of ageing and sexing birds. We also will be hosting an Advanced Bird Banding Workshop.  Participants for this workshop will arrive on the afternoon/evening of May 18 and depart on the afternoon of May 23 and are expected to already be comfortable extracting birds from mist-nets.  The focus of this workshop will be on the ageing and sexing of passerines (using molt limits, plumage).  However, the details of both of these workshops can be catered to the interests of the participants.  For both workshops, the majority of time will be spent in the field with live birds, and these sessions will be complemented with some afternoon or evening presentations.  There also will be some free time available to explore the region (Frank Lloyd Wright’s Falling Water, Forbes State Forest, Linn Run State Park, Etc.)  Each workshop costs $550 per person and on site lodging (with kitchen) is included.  Space is limited and these workshops generally fill up quickly.  To learn more about banding at the Powdermill Avian Research Center please explore our bird banding website (http://www.westol.com/~banding/index.htm).  If you are interested in our workshops or would like additional details please contact Dr. Andrew Vitz (acvitz AT yahoo.com; 724-593-7521). subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: TR-5 Recievers Wanted From: Bryan Bedrosian <bryan AT BSWY.US> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:51:12 -0700 As part of an ongoing study, we are seeking to borrow/purchase a few used TR-5 receivers and up to 5 Telonics data acquisition systems for this spring. If you have any sitting around your labs not being used we'd greatly appreciate your consideration. Please contact me off the listserve. Thanks, Bryan Bedrosian bryan AT beringiasouth.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Bird Monitoring and Banding Workshops From: "Derek J. Matthews" <Derek.J.Matthews AT SPECTRUM-CANADA.COM> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 10:35:17 -0800 Hi Banders! The spring schedule dates for Bird Monitoring and Banding Workshops has just been posted on the VARC website - Full details of the course schedules and content can be found online at: http://www.birdvancouver.com/workshops.html The workshop has been developed for people with little or no bird banding or bird in the hand experience and provides a fantastic opportunity to see birds up close and personal, to learn about their plumage, molt sequences and life habits. Most of all, these workshops are designed to be a fun and interesting experience and a way for people to take their interest in birds and the environment to the next level. See what people who have attended our workshops have to say: http://www.birdvancouver.com/testimonials.html and why our average rating from course participants is 9.5 out of 10!! Thank you for your interest and if you know anyone who would like to attend any of our spring courses please feel free to forward this email. Happy spring banding! Derek Matthews Master Bander / Bander-in-Charge Vancouver Avian Research Centre Vancouver, BC, Canada www.birdvancouver.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: EBBA annual meeting From: Adrienne Leppold <aleppold AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:41:25 -0500 Hi all, I received a few emails that the link in my posting last week for sending in a paper submission wasn't working. There was also a question regarding registration fees. There will be a fee for the meeting. Details to be updated to the website soon. For more information, please visit http://www.frontiernet.net/~bpbird/eb00004.htm Best, -- Adrienne J. Leppold PhD Candidate University of Maine Ecology and Environmental Sciences 217 Murray Hall Orono, ME 04473 207-581-2547 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: EBBA annual meeting call for papers From: Adrienne Leppold <aleppold AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:57:14 -0500 *EASTERN BIRD BANDING ASSOCIATION* CALL FOR PAPERS EBBA, the Eastern Bird Banding Association, is requesting the submission of papers related to bird banding and preservation of avian species for presentation at the next meeting of the Association to be held April 10, 2010, at Rocky Gap State Park, Flintstone, Maryland. - A projection screen and video projector will be provided. - If you plan to present using 35mm slides please advise. - Provide an outline for consideration of the paper and the presenter's CV no later than February 25, 2010. - Submission is open to everyone; you do not have to be an EBBA member to present. - Time is allocated for 12 presentations. - The meeting will be attended by 100 to 200 participants including presenters. - Time for each presentation is normally limited to 25 minutes. - Presentations of special interest may be submitted for a time of 50 minutes. - All entries will receive serious consideration and all submitters will be advised of acceptance or regrets by the program committee no later than March 10, 2010. - Poster presentations prepared for free-standing display are also desirable. - A formal paper is not required. - One primary presenter for the presentation will receive a free admission to the meeting and associated social events. However, they do not receive any other reimbursements and are responsible for their own travel and living expenses. - EBBA does have a program for assistance with travel expenses for student presenters; contact the first vice president for information. Point of contact is Ken Heselton, First Vice President Address: 105 Haverhill Road, Joppa, Maryland 21085 E-mail: KHeselton AT cs.com Phone: 410-679-6419 Cell phone: 410-790-7881 Papers furnished in a pdf format for the purpose will be posted to the EBBA web site after the meeting for one year. A suggested theme for the meeting is "Backyards to the Hemisphere," recognizing that data collected by backyard bird banders can be used in analysis of the species studied over the entire hemisphere. Papers do not have to address this theme. -- Adrienne J. Leppold PhD Candidate University of Maine Ecology and Environmental Sciences 217 Murray Hall Orono, ME 04473 207-581-2547 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 01/16/10 (Feeder Birds) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:44:32 -0500 As if the first two weeks of frigid January weather weren't enough, the past ten days at Hilton Pond Center have been beset with torrential rainfall and gray, overcast skies. Even on the darkest mornings, however, gazing at a bird feeder seems to brighten the weather considerably. For a peek at a cheery assortment of birds that came to one of our tube feeders in the span of just five minutes one day, please visit the 16-25 January 2010 installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond" at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek100116.html. While there, be sure to scroll down for a list of birds banded and recaptured, as well as some general nature notes. Happy Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: banding intern and volunteers needed (NJ) From: Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick <celticcail AT AOL.COM> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:13:39 EST Reprinted from Cornell's Bird Jobs listserv BANDING and/or EDUCATION INTERN(S) needed Mar through Aug for a small banding station in northwestern New Jersey. Ideally, the intern will aid in banding operations several days a week for the duration of the internship and will give educational presentations to visiting groups of children several times a week throughout the summer months. The ideal candidate will be enthusiastic, responsible, punctual, detail-oriented, and able to multi-task and identify common NJ passerines, have dependable transportation and their own vehicle, and of course, be dedicated to avian research and welfare. No banding/teaching experience is necessary, but an interest in birds and desire to learn proper banding techniques is a must. A small stipend may be available. Please send your resume, a letter of interest, and the names and contact information of two professional references to CAILIN O'CONNOR FITZPATRICK (EM: coconnor AT bergen.edu) or feel free to e-mail for more information. VOLUNTEERS needed Mar through Nov for a small banding station in northwestern New Jersey. We prefer volunteers who are able to commit to one morning a week or every other week for at least several months. Your primary duties will be recording data and assisting the bander-in-charge as needed. There is an opportunity to learn banding techniques as time allows. No experience is necessary, but a willingness to learn and a love of birds is a must. Please send letter of interest to CAILIN O'CONNOR FITZPATRICK (EM: coconnor AT bergen.edu) or feel free to e-mail for more information. Thanks! subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Avian Monitoring and Bird Banding Workshop in Victoria, BC, Mar 19-21 From: Ann Nightingale <motmot AT SHAW.CA> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:23:23 -0800 Hi everyone, Rocky Point Bird Observatory is offering a bird monitoring and banding workshop at Royal Roads University in Victoria, BC, on March 19-21, 2010. The 3-day workshop will focus on bird identification, monitoring procedures and techniques, sexing and ageing. Components this year will include owl monitoring and banding demo and an optional session on study skin preparation. The program has been developed for people with little or no bird handling and/or banding experience, but those with intermediate skills will also find the workshop a good way to build knowledge. This is an excellent opportunity for undergraduates, graduate students, bird observatory volunteers and naturalists to explore aspects of the operation of an avian monitoring project, including bird safety, mistnetting, data collection, bird banding, identification, sexing and ageing. This is an introductory course and participants should not expect to emerge from this short workshop as qualified banders. Much of the work will be with frozen and dried bird specimens although there will be some opportunities to work with live birds to learn safe bird handling and basic banding techniques. Skills practiced in this workshop will be beneficial for a variety of projects including productivity, survivorship and migration monitoring field work. For more information and registration, please visit http://rpbo.org/rpboworkshop10.htm Please feel free to pass this message along to others who may be interested. Ann Nightingale Rocky Point Bird Observatory Victoria, BC subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: RFI banded Brown Pelican, Georgia USA From: Charlie <cmmbirds AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:29:03 -0800 Hi folks, I don't know if the band referred to here is a normal Fish and Wildlife band or not. I know a couple folks banding American White Pelicans, but don't know anyone banding Brown Pelicans. If anyone can get me any info, I'd be happy to forward to Mr. Virant. Charlie Muise Georgia, USA Birders and Banders! While reviewing my photos from the pelagic trip on sunny bright Friday 15 January 2010, I discovered one wide silver band on the lower right leg of a Brown Pelican flying very close to Capt Steve Amick's 40' boat. When enlarged to 100% (actual pixels), the large numbers on the band read "938." There are some markings on both sides of the "938," but cannot be identified. Also, a row of letters/words above and below the numbers could not be identified. This BRPE was one of scores of pelicans and gulls which were mobbing the stern of the boat for thrown fish heads, offal, and other delights as the boat was nearing the Lazaretto Creek Marina, Chatham County. Request a bander or birder familiar with such things forward this information to the proper authorities (Patuxant Lab?). A response on the ID of the band, if possible, would be appreciated. Thanks. Leo Virant Wilmington Island, Savannah Chatham County subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 01/01/10 (Frigid Weather) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:33:45 -0500 Anyone who thinks we haven't had two weeks of brutally cold weather here in the Carolina Piedmont need only visit the latest installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond." Our first photo essay of the year includes a chart showing just how low the readings got the first half of January 2010, and we include a bunch of icy images--some a little mysterious. (You'd also never guess what bird species keeps getting caught in our traps baited with black sunflower seeds.) To view our frigid photography, please see posting #461 at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek100101.html As always we include lists of birds banded and recaptured during the period. Please, no pooh-poohing of our Carolina winter weather by New Englanders, Midwesterners, or Canadians. To us, we're just as cold as you are! :-) Happy (Cold Weather) Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: [Bulk] [BIRDBAND] HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? From: Rob Robinson <rob.robinson AT BTO.ORG> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:59:19 -0000 Hi Chris, hope all's well :) we've had a bit of snow too... In Britain there is a statutory process regarding coastal wildfowling. After a period of 7 days continuous frost/snow voluntary restraint is called for to minimise disturbance on the foreshore. After 14 days this becomes a ban (the situation currently in Scotland, in England we are 'in restraint'). We follow the same guidelines for coastal ringing, again to minimise disturbance on the foreshore. Elsewhere, we ask ringers to consider carefully the impact of their ringing and birds shouldn't be caught at or going into roost. I'm not sure it gets so cold here I wouldn't ring (it gets down to perhaps 20F), at least on 'nice' days near feeders. I would however be checking nets essentially continuously and would probably have fewer nets up so birds were kept in bags for the minimum time. I would be wary of ringing into the afternoon (so birds have plenty of time to feed up pre-roost) and wouldn't normally attempt it in any sort of adverse weather. Most of my winter passerine ringing is done where a mug of hot tea is not too far away (more through opportunity than design), cold hands are probably the greatest risk, especially for the smaller birds. This can apply in summer too, like someone else I've frequently had dawn frosts on nets in spring/early summer, provided nets are checked frequently there doesn't seem to be too much of a problem. Cold snaps are often when factors become limiting, so carefully collected data can be invaluable in helping understanding population processes, it's just extra vigilance is required. Hope 2010 is a good banding year for you all Best wishes rob *** Help us celebrate 100 yrs of Ringing http://btoringing.blogspot.com/ ** Dr Rob Robinson, Principal Ecologist British Trust for Ornithology, The Nunnery, Thetford, Norfolk, IP24 2PU Ph: +44 (0)1842 750050 E: rob.robinson AT bto.org Fx: +44 (0)1842 750030 W: www.bto.org/aboutBTO/cvs/rob_robinson.htm ====== "How can anyone be enlightened, when truth is so poorly lit" ======= > -----Original Message----- > From: Bird Bander's Forum > [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Snook > Sent: 10 January 2010 21:15 > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] [Bulk] [BIRDBAND] HELP. RFI: cold > weather banding? > > Hi Charlie, > > I don't think that it is the specific temperatures that are > the problem for banding. It is the unusually low temperatures > that are sustained that are the problem. The birds can handle > the winter temperatures other wise they would be further > south, it is when we get the sustained lower than normal > temperatures that they can't handle well. In the UK during > such periods a Wildfowling band were issued and the BTO > guidelines (when I was training) were that no banding should > occur during the ban. > > At the present I have stopped all banding until the nighttime > temperatures return to near normal for the Charleston area. > For instance today's predicted max and min temperatures are > 19 and 41 deg F ( -7.2 and 5 deg Celsius) whereas the mean > min and max temperatures are 37 and > 59 deg F ( 2.8 and 15 deg Celsius). This will vary from area > to area e.g. in Canada these temperatures today would > probably be viewed as a heat wave. Common sense needs to be applied. > > Another reason to stop in unusually cold weather is that the > bander's manual dexterity gets reduced and may increase the > chance of accidents when extracting. > > Keep warm > > Chris Snook, > Charleston, SC Charlie wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I run 2 year-round grassland banding stations in Georgia, > USA. At this latitude, I rarely have to worry about cold > temps. However, we are in the midst of a near-record > cold-snap and I'm concerned about my banding. If I don't > band soon, it will hurt my data. But, of course, the safety > of the birds is second only to the safety of people. This is > the first time I've ever really had to think about canceling > banding due to cold, so I've never honestly put the thought > into it that many of you likely have. > > > > Do you have specific low-temp limits to running a station? > In other words, is there a temp, or wind chill at which you > automatically close nets? Keeping in mind that mine are > grasslands, we often have the benefit of sun, but the > drawback of wind (as compared to a forested station). > > > > I was able to postpone for today to a day that is forecast > to be warmer, but I'm supposed to band tomorrow, and just > cannot decide... > > > > Very thankful for all the good advise I've gotten here from you > > highly-experienced folks, > > > > Charlie Muise > > Georgia, USA > > > > > > > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the > BirdBand web site: > > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the > BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: [Bulk] [BIRDBAND] HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? From: Chris Snook <snook_c AT BELLSOUTH.NET> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:14:34 -0500 Hi Charlie, I don't think that it is the specific temperatures that are the problem for banding. It is the unusually low temperatures that are sustained that are the problem. The birds can handle the winter temperatures other wise they would be further south, it is when we get the sustained lower than normal temperatures that they can't handle well. In the UK during such periods a Wildfowling band were issued and the BTO guidelines (when I was training) were that no banding should occur during the ban. At the present I have stopped all banding until the nighttime temperatures return to near normal for the Charleston area. For instance today's predicted max and min temperatures are 19 and 41 deg F ( -7.2 and 5 deg Celsius) whereas the mean min and max temperatures are 37 and 59 deg F ( 2.8 and 15 deg Celsius). This will vary from area to area e.g. in Canada these temperatures today would probably be viewed as a heat wave. Common sense needs to be applied. Another reason to stop in unusually cold weather is that the bander's manual dexterity gets reduced and may increase the chance of accidents when extracting. Keep warm Chris Snook, Charleston, SC Charlie wrote: > Hi folks, > > I run 2 year-round grassland banding stations in Georgia, USA. At this latitude, I rarely have to worry about cold temps. However, we are in the midst of a near-record cold-snap and I'm concerned about my banding. If I don't band soon, it will hurt my data. But, of course, the safety of the birds is second only to the safety of people. This is the first time I've ever really had to think about canceling banding due to cold, so I've never honestly put the thought into it that many of you likely have. > > Do you have specific low-temp limits to running a station? In other words, is there a temp, or wind chill at which you automatically close nets? Keeping in mind that mine are grasslands, we often have the benefit of sun, but the drawback of wind (as compared to a forested station). > > I was able to postpone for today to a day that is forecast to be warmer, but I'm supposed to band tomorrow, and just cannot decide... > > Very thankful for all the good advise I've gotten here from you highly-experienced folks, > > Charlie Muise > Georgia, USA > > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: RFI: cold weather banding? - thanks!! From: Libor Michalak <retrix6 AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:36:01 -0800 I have been banding in winters for over 15yrs here in Canada, from Ontario (southern and northern) to BC and have never banded in weather temps <-10C. I think it's just too cold. Both for me and the birds. There are things that should be considered. The most important is wind. I understand that the birds can handle the cold and wind, but if you throw feather displacement, rain/wetness to the picture, it becomes a mess for them. Heat loss quickenss fast. The key is for them to keep their feathers fluffed up. Nothing worse than a cold wet bird. They can sucomb to shock from hypothermia very fast. Banding in the cold or snow in my experience has been good so far. I try not to bring the birds into the heat of a house. Maybe cause I don't want them to have the shock of the heat after being outside. They have acclimated. Processing speed IMO is the key and very important in the cold, mainly for the reasons above. The ruffled/displaced feathers in both the net and the hand when its cold is the key. I hope this helps in some way. Libor Vancouver BC Canada On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Lance Laviolette wrote: > Charlie, > > It sounds like your offline emails have already expressed to you what I was > going to suggest. That is, a number of the species that you are likely > going > to catch head down to your latitude specifically to avoid the cold > temperatures you're now experiencing. You probably don't want to subject > them to any potential additional energy cost. > > Having said that, there are banding stations in colder parts of Canada that > routinely operate throughout the winter. The birds they are catching are > usually species that are regular at feeders in their areas through winter, > irruptive finch species and cold-hardy species such as Snow Buntings > (though > they use ground traps to catch these). Wind rather than the cold is usually > the factor that regulates when they band. > > Also, as Bill Hilton Jr. already suggested, human fingers may freeze up > before cold-hardy species would be stressed in the nets making net > extraction problematic. If you don't have the creature comforts that David > Thorndill mentions in his email and you or your volunteers are not > 'cold-hardy' you will probably find that your own lower temperature limit > is > perfectly fine to use as a cut off point as to when and when not to band. > > All the best, > > Lance > ============================================ > Lance Laviolette > Brier Island Bird Migration Research Station > Brier Island, Nova Scotia, Canada > ============================================ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf > Of Charlie > Sent: January-08-10 4:36 PM > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Subject: [BIRDBAND] RFI: cold weather banding? - thanks!! > > Hi all, > > Wow, you folks sure do come through. I've already received 16 replies! > > I was surprised by the very wide range of those replies, most of which came > from people experienced with work in cold weather. All my replies came > from > the eastern half of the US, from southern FL to northern NH and WI. In > general, those of you further north were less concerned with the cold, and > gave me good tips for success. Those in the south were more apt to say > "don't do it". 2 people, including one I know has literally decades more > experience than I, made the point that birds further north are more adapted > to cold than are birds further south. I let that point be my decider. > > I have decided to deal with the statistical problem and not expose the > birds > or my valued assistants to the cold. We've not been able to band in a > while, and we'll just let it go a bit longer. > > Thank you all for your help, once again. You are a tremendous resource. > And I'd be honored if any of you would visit either of my stations next > time > you're in Georgia. > > Charlie Muise > Lamar County, Georgia, USA > > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: RFI: cold weather banding? - thanks!! From: Lance Laviolette <corvuscorax AT SYMPATICO.CA> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:23:22 -0500 Charlie, It sounds like your offline emails have already expressed to you what I was going to suggest. That is, a number of the species that you are likely going to catch head down to your latitude specifically to avoid the cold temperatures you're now experiencing. You probably don't want to subject them to any potential additional energy cost. Having said that, there are banding stations in colder parts of Canada that routinely operate throughout the winter. The birds they are catching are usually species that are regular at feeders in their areas through winter, irruptive finch species and cold-hardy species such as Snow Buntings (though they use ground traps to catch these). Wind rather than the cold is usually the factor that regulates when they band. Also, as Bill Hilton Jr. already suggested, human fingers may freeze up before cold-hardy species would be stressed in the nets making net extraction problematic. If you don't have the creature comforts that David Thorndill mentions in his email and you or your volunteers are not 'cold-hardy' you will probably find that your own lower temperature limit is perfectly fine to use as a cut off point as to when and when not to band. All the best, Lance ============================================ Lance Laviolette Brier Island Bird Migration Research Station Brier Island, Nova Scotia, Canada ============================================ -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charlie Sent: January-08-10 4:36 PM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: [BIRDBAND] RFI: cold weather banding? - thanks!! Hi all, Wow, you folks sure do come through. I've already received 16 replies! I was surprised by the very wide range of those replies, most of which came from people experienced with work in cold weather. All my replies came from the eastern half of the US, from southern FL to northern NH and WI. In general, those of you further north were less concerned with the cold, and gave me good tips for success. Those in the south were more apt to say "don't do it". 2 people, including one I know has literally decades more experience than I, made the point that birds further north are more adapted to cold than are birds further south. I let that point be my decider. I have decided to deal with the statistical problem and not expose the birds or my valued assistants to the cold. We've not been able to band in a while, and we'll just let it go a bit longer. Thank you all for your help, once again. You are a tremendous resource. And I'd be honored if any of you would visit either of my stations next time you're in Georgia. Charlie Muise Lamar County, Georgia, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: cold weather banding From: Anthony Hill <anhinga13 AT HOTMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:17:36 -0500 Hi Charlie and group - Bill H. is right of course; we have to put the safety of the birds first. So it becomes a matter of whether the exposure, or your capturing and processing, subjects them to unusual (temperature-related) stress. I get the impression that this weather situation you describe is an anomaly at your location; in that case it's an unusual stress for your target birds before they get anywhere near a net. This is in contrast to banding juncos or the like at my latitude. I think you'll have to wait for weather to moderate, IMHO. Anthony Hill S. Hadley, MA | Préservons l'environnement - Avez-vous réellement besoin d'imprimer ce courriel ? | | Please consider the environment - Do you really need to print this e-mail? | | Piense en verde. Antes de imprimir este email hágase la siguiente pregunta, es necesario?| _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: RFI: cold weather banding? - thanks!! From: M Lancaster <mbl.tenbel AT GOOGLEMAIL.COM> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 06:33:35 -0000 I assume that the temperatures indicated were on the Fahrenheit scale? This is an international forum guys and centigrade is by far the most commonly used scale - at least wherever I band. A couple of relevant points perhaps. If my memory serves me correctly, MAPS (Monitoring Avian Populations and Survival) suggests that nets are not opened when the temperature is 0C or below. This has caused me problems at a site (ca 1300m) in the Okanagan (BC) in JULY. The birds of course continued about their business. However, at one migration station where I volunteer, because the valley bottom is 800m, that would mean no banding for hours (in August even). We operate, but there is a constant net round until the sun gets over the 'hill' and temperatures rise. Perhaps most relevant, I met a South African who was doing an MSc in Finland on the Willow Tit (Poecile montanus). They operated in temperatures of minus 20C (yep! you read that correctly). They were forced to close the nets after a couple of hours as the humans were freezing :-) Barry M B Lancaster, Currently - Tenerife, Islas Canarias ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie" To: Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:36 PM Subject: [BIRDBAND] RFI: cold weather banding? - thanks!! > Hi all, > > Wow, you folks sure do come through. I've already received 16 replies! > > I was surprised by the very wide range of those replies, most of which > came from people experienced with work in cold weather. All my replies > came from the eastern half of the US, from southern FL to northern NH and > WI. In general, those of you further north were less concerned with the > cold, and gave me good tips for success. Those in the south were more apt > to say "don't do it". 2 people, including one I know has literally > decades more experience than I, made the point that birds further north > are more adapted to cold than are birds further south. I let that point > be my decider. > > I have decided to deal with the statistical problem and not expose the > birds or my valued assistants to the cold. We've not been able to band in > a while, and we'll just let it go a bit longer. > > Thank you all for your help, once again. You are a tremendous resource. > And I'd be honored if any of you would visit either of my stations next > time you're in Georgia. > > Charlie Muise > Lamar County, Georgia, USA > > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: RFI: cold weather banding? - thanks!! From: "Thorndill, David T." <DThorndill AT CCBCMD.EDU> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:07:54 -0500 Charlie, My favorite banding is during the heart of the winter when White-throated Sparrows and Northern Juncos spend the winter here. The following is a short article describing a 20 inch snowfall six years ago in Baltimore. I do band near a feeder in the back yard where I can monitor the nets and traps from the comfort of my living room. I do have a shed and a space heater to keep ME from freezing. David Thorndill P.S. I'm sur your asssistants appreciate the break. LOVE THAT SNOW More snow fell on Baltimore the weekend of February 15-17, 2003 than any storm since the last ice-age. That's a fantastic opportunity for a feeder based bird banding station. I spent an exhausting two days capturing and banding birds, clearing a walking lane and feeding areas, and shoveling snow. But it was great! The best capture rates I've had in years. Summary: 3 nets, one tired man, 118 birds. I also chased away flocks of grackles (released a dozen unbanded) and one Red-tailed Hawk. He plucked a few feathers from a cardinal, but she was banded and flew away. No major problems, just a few cold, stiff feet (theirs and mine). Here are the highlights for Feb. 15-16 Northern Junco, 16 banded, 51 recaptures, 11 returns, TOTAL= 78 White-throated Sparrow, 5 banded, 11 recaptures, 4 returns, TOTAL= 20 Northern Cardinal, 10 banded WEEKEND TOTAL= 37 banded, 66 recaptures, 15 returns, TOTAL= 118 **recaptures were banded this winter, returns were banded an earlier winter Also captured: 3 Song Sparrows, 1 Carolina Chickadee, 1 Carolina Wren, 1 Blue Jay, And one Downy and 1 Red-bellied Woodpeckers. From this weekend and earlier banding and recaptures I estimate (calculate) the local winter population of White-throated Sparrows is 45, while the local winter population of Juncos is 100 birds. The most interesting individual birds were W.T. Sparrow 4501-89685 banded Jan. 11,1999. It was recaptured last winter (March 10, 2002) and three times this winter (Feb 9, 11, 16, 2003). Junco 2040-67208 was banded Jan. 31,1998 and recaptured the next winter ( Jan. 16, 1999). It returned three years later on Jan. 12, 2002, and three times this winter (Jan.15, Feb. 1 & 16, 2003). Neither of these species breeds in Baltimore. Most spend the summer far north of here. David Thorndill, Ph.D. Banding at Cub Hill, suburban Baltimore, MD Professor of Biology Community College of Baltimore County http://faculty.ccbcmd.edu/~dthornd1/ ________________________________ From: Bird Bander's Forum on behalf of Charlie Sent: Fri 1/8/2010 4:36 PM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: [BIRDBAND] RFI: cold weather banding? - thanks!! Hi all, Wow, you folks sure do come through. I've already received 16 replies! I was surprised by the very wide range of those replies, most of which came from people experienced with work in cold weather. All my replies came from the eastern half of the US, from southern FL to northern NH and WI. In general, those of you further north were less concerned with the cold, and gave me good tips for success. Those in the south were more apt to say "don't do it". 2 people, including one I know has literally decades more experience than I, made the point that birds further north are more adapted to cold than are birds further south. I let that point be my decider. I have decided to deal with the statistical problem and not expose the birds or my valued assistants to the cold. We've not been able to band in a while, and we'll just let it go a bit longer. Thank you all for your help, once again. You are a tremendous resource. And I'd be honored if any of you would visit either of my stations next time you're in Georgia. Charlie Muise Lamar County, Georgia, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS ------------------------------------------------------ Teach CanIt if this mail (ID 45980768) is spam: Spam: https://ssl.ccbcmd.edu:7726/canit/b.php?i=45980768&m=c091bcb8bbbe&t=20100108&c=s Not spam: https://ssl.ccbcmd.edu:7726/canit/b.php?i=45980768&m=c091bcb8bbbe&t=20100108&c=n Forget vote: https://ssl.ccbcmd.edu:7726/canit/b.php?i=45980768&m=c091bcb8bbbe&t=20100108&c=f ------------------------------------------------------ END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: RFI: cold weather banding? - thanks!! From: Charlie <cmmbirds AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:36:16 -0800 Hi all, Wow, you folks sure do come through. I've already received 16 replies! I was surprised by the very wide range of those replies, most of which came from people experienced with work in cold weather. All my replies came from the eastern half of the US, from southern FL to northern NH and WI. In general, those of you further north were less concerned with the cold, and gave me good tips for success. Those in the south were more apt to say "don't do it". 2 people, including one I know has literally decades more experience than I, made the point that birds further north are more adapted to cold than are birds further south. I let that point be my decider. I have decided to deal with the statistical problem and not expose the birds or my valued assistants to the cold. We've not been able to band in a while, and we'll just let it go a bit longer. Thank you all for your help, once again. You are a tremendous resource. And I'd be honored if any of you would visit either of my stations next time you're in Georgia. Charlie Muise Lamar County, Georgia, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? From: Andrew Boyle <andybgator AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:27:31 -0800 Here in Orlando, we are not banding this week (or last) due to cold temps. Not that I cannot handle the cold but we do find some of the smaller birds seem to get more stressed than others. Especially Ruby-crowned Kinglets that we get more here this time of year. They will fly off after being held in our warm hands after a while but it is as stressful on the banders (waiting for those birds to show renewed activity) as it seems to be to these tiny birds. Most birds should be fine in their environment but we choose not to risk it. Maybe it is just a southern thing. They are expecting warmer climes and then are sitting in a net for a bit. We check nets at least every 15 minutes here down our net lanes. Still waiting for our first banding day of the New Year. Andrew Boyle Orlando, FL ________________________________ From: Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 3:45:59 PM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? I never band when there is any wind, so I can't help you there. As for cold, I have never had issues banding in below freezing temps, which it always is at dawn through most of the spring and fall at my station. If I choose not to band in the cold, it's usually because I don't want to deal with the temperature myself, not because I'm worried about the birds. I've never seen or heard of a bird freezing in a net (over-heating's another issue) so I think it's a non-issue unless temperatures are extremely cold (which I imagine is unlikely to be the case in GA). I would also never go more than a half hour maximum without checking a net, however, and rarely leave them that long. Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick bander-in-charge Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory Branchville, NJ _www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com_ (http://www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com) In a message dated 1/8/2010 3:41:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, research AT HILTONPOND.ORG writes: CHARLIE . . . While in grad school in Minnesota, one January at a feeding station I caught a couple dozen Evening Grosbeaks simultaneously in a mist net. The temperature was about 20 degrees. The birds shrieked, bit themselves and each other and my hands, and my fingers turned to useless appendages. Fortunately, I extricated all the birds without losses, but I swore I'd never again run nets when the temps got below freezing--and I never have. Hypothermia can come quickly during cold weather when a bird's feathers are matted down in a net, and your cold hands become much less adept at removing mesh from feet, wings, and heads. Thus, my advice is not to run nets when the thermometer reads below 32 degrees--maybe even higher when it's damp and blustery. This may sound wimpy to some inveterate northern banders, but it's my policy. Stay warm! BILL ======== On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Charlie wrote: > Hi folks, > > I run 2 year-round grassland banding stations in Georgia, USA. At this latitude, I rarely have to worry about cold temps. However, we are in the midst of a near-record cold-snap and I'm concerned about my banding. If I don't band soon, it will hurt my data. But, of course, the safety of the birds is second only to the safety of people. This is the first time I've ever really had to think about canceling banding due to cold, so I've never honestly put the thought into it that many of you likely have. > > Do you have specific low-temp limits to running a station? In other words, is there a temp, or wind chill at which you automatically close nets? Keeping in mind that mine are grasslands, we often have the benefit of sun, but the drawback of wind (as compared to a forested station). > > I was able to postpone for today to a day that is forecast to be warmer, but I'm supposed to band tomorrow, and just cannot decide... > > Very thankful for all the good advise I've gotten here from you highly-experienced folks, > > Charlie Muise > Georgia, USA > > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? From: Mara McDonald <mamcdona AT WISC.EDU> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:24:30 -0600 Charley, If you have some sort of enclosure, you would be better off. Our group doesn't band below about 50 degrees because we're alfresco, and even if we have a heater set up reflecting off aluminum foil, we are able to keep our banders' hands warm or the birds. Because we have the option, we don't band in cold, although we did when we were first beginning our operation. It wasn't worth the complaints from the volunteers or the birds, and it wasn't worth risking the birds' health. Mara McDonald, Ph.D. Assistant Administrator Laboratory of Genetics, and The Evolution Initiative 425-G Henry Mall Rm 1436 University of Wisconsin Madison WI 53706-1580 608-263-8941 (tel) 608-262-2976 (FAX) mamcdona AT wisc.edu http://www.evolution.wisc.edu Biocore Prairie Bird Observatory http://waa.uwalumni.com/lakeshorepreserve/birdbanding.html At 12:04 PM -0800 1/8/10, Charlie wrote: >Hi folks, > >I run 2 year-round grassland banding stations in Georgia, USA. At >this latitude, I rarely have to worry about cold temps. However, we >are in the midst of a near-record cold-snap and I'm concerned about >my banding. If I don't band soon, it will hurt my data. But, of >course, the safety of the birds is second only to the safety of >people. This is the first time I've ever really had to think about >canceling banding due to cold, so I've never honestly put the >thought into it that many of you likely have. > >Do you have specific low-temp limits to running a station? In other >words, is there a temp, or wind chill at which you automatically >close nets? Keeping in mind that mine are grasslands, we often have >the benefit of sun, but the drawback of wind (as compared to a >forested station). > >I was able to postpone for today to a day that is forecast to be >warmer, but I'm supposed to band tomorrow, and just cannot decide... > >Very thankful for all the good advise I've gotten here from you >highly-experienced folks, > >Charlie Muise >Georgia, USA > > > > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm -- subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? From: Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick <CelticCail AT AOL.COM> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:45:59 EST I never band when there is any wind, so I can't help you there. As for cold, I have never had issues banding in below freezing temps, which it always is at dawn through most of the spring and fall at my station. If I choose not to band in the cold, it's usually because I don't want to deal with the temperature myself, not because I'm worried about the birds. I've never seen or heard of a bird freezing in a net (over-heating's another issue) so I think it's a non-issue unless temperatures are extremely cold (which I imagine is unlikely to be the case in GA). I would also never go more than a half hour maximum without checking a net, however, and rarely leave them that long. Cailin O'Connor Fitzpatrick bander-in-charge Raccoon Ridge Bird Observatory Branchville, NJ _www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com_ (http://www.raccoonridgebirdobservatory.com) In a message dated 1/8/2010 3:41:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, research AT HILTONPOND.ORG writes: CHARLIE . . . While in grad school in Minnesota, one January at a feeding station I caught a couple dozen Evening Grosbeaks simultaneously in a mist net. The temperature was about 20 degrees. The birds shrieked, bit themselves and each other and my hands, and my fingers turned to useless appendages. Fortunately, I extricated all the birds without losses, but I swore I'd never again run nets when the temps got below freezing--and I never have. Hypothermia can come quickly during cold weather when a bird's feathers are matted down in a net, and your cold hands become much less adept at removing mesh from feet, wings, and heads. Thus, my advice is not to run nets when the thermometer reads below 32 degrees--maybe even higher when it's damp and blustery. This may sound wimpy to some inveterate northern banders, but it's my policy. Stay warm! BILL ======== On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Charlie wrote: > Hi folks, > > I run 2 year-round grassland banding stations in Georgia, USA. At this latitude, I rarely have to worry about cold temps. However, we are in the midst of a near-record cold-snap and I'm concerned about my banding. If I don't band soon, it will hurt my data. But, of course, the safety of the birds is second only to the safety of people. This is the first time I've ever really had to think about canceling banding due to cold, so I've never honestly put the thought into it that many of you likely have. > > Do you have specific low-temp limits to running a station? In other words, is there a temp, or wind chill at which you automatically close nets? Keeping in mind that mine are grasslands, we often have the benefit of sun, but the drawback of wind (as compared to a forested station). > > I was able to postpone for today to a day that is forecast to be warmer, but I'm supposed to band tomorrow, and just cannot decide... > > Very thankful for all the good advise I've gotten here from you highly-experienced folks, > > Charlie Muise > Georgia, USA > > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:41:33 -0500 CHARLIE . . . While in grad school in Minnesota, one January at a feeding station I caught a couple dozen Evening Grosbeaks simultaneously in a mist net. The temperature was about 20 degrees. The birds shrieked, bit themselves and each other and my hands, and my fingers turned to useless appendages. Fortunately, I extricated all the birds without losses, but I swore I'd never again run nets when the temps got below freezing--and I never have. Hypothermia can come quickly during cold weather when a bird's feathers are matted down in a net, and your cold hands become much less adept at removing mesh from feet, wings, and heads. Thus, my advice is not to run nets when the thermometer reads below 32 degrees--maybe even higher when it's damp and blustery. This may sound wimpy to some inveterate northern banders, but it's my policy. Stay warm! BILL ======== On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Charlie wrote: > Hi folks, > > I run 2 year-round grassland banding stations in Georgia, USA. At this latitude, I rarely have to worry about cold temps. However, we are in the midst of a near-record cold-snap and I'm concerned about my banding. If I don't band soon, it will hurt my data. But, of course, the safety of the birds is second only to the safety of people. This is the first time I've ever really had to think about canceling banding due to cold, so I've never honestly put the thought into it that many of you likely have. > > Do you have specific low-temp limits to running a station? In other words, is there a temp, or wind chill at which you automatically close nets? Keeping in mind that mine are grasslands, we often have the benefit of sun, but the drawback of wind (as compared to a forested station). > > I was able to postpone for today to a day that is forecast to be warmer, but I'm supposed to band tomorrow, and just cannot decide... > > Very thankful for all the good advise I've gotten here from you highly-experienced folks, > > Charlie Muise > Georgia, USA > > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: HELP. RFI: cold weather banding? From: Charlie <cmmbirds AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:04:12 -0800 Hi folks, I run 2 year-round grassland banding stations in Georgia, USA. At this latitude, I rarely have to worry about cold temps. However, we are in the midst of a near-record cold-snap and I'm concerned about my banding. If I don't band soon, it will hurt my data. But, of course, the safety of the birds is second only to the safety of people. This is the first time I've ever really had to think about canceling banding due to cold, so I've never honestly put the thought into it that many of you likely have. Do you have specific low-temp limits to running a station? In other words, is there a temp, or wind chill at which you automatically close nets? Keeping in mind that mine are grasslands, we often have the benefit of sun, but the drawback of wind (as compared to a forested station). I was able to postpone for today to a day that is forecast to be warmer, but I'm supposed to band tomorrow, and just cannot decide... Very thankful for all the good advise I've gotten here from you highly-experienced folks, Charlie Muise Georgia, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: NEW EMAIL ADDRESS From: "scraig10 AT juno.com" <scraig10@JUNO.COM> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:01:33 GMT Please note new email address for Susan Craig is scraig10 AT q.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: BIRDBAND automatic digest system To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: BIRDBAND Digest - 31 Dec 2009 to 1 Jan 2010 (#2010-2) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 00:03:11 -0700 There is 1 message totalling 42 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Hilton Pond 12/22/09 (Christmas Bird Count) subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:46:22 -0500 From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" Subject: Hilton Pond 12/22/09 (Christmas Bird Count) As the holiday season arrives, we're always involved in compiling = results of the York/Rock Hill Christmas Bird Count, so that's the topic = of the 22-28 December 2009 installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond." = Our final numbers weren't all that great, but we did manage to get a few = photos of birds we observed--including a close image of an adult = Red-shouldered Hawk. To view the photo essay, please visit = http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091222.html and then scroll down for = our usual list of banded birds and miscellaneous notes about bird = scarcity and torrential rains. Happy (Holiday) Nature Watching! BILL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at = http://www.hiltonpond.org=20 "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at = http://www.rubythroat.org =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm ------------------------------ End of BIRDBAND Digest - 31 Dec 2009 to 1 Jan 2010 (#2010-2) ************************************************************ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: 2009 hummingbird banding report From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 14:05:34 -0500 Hummingbird enthusiasts, I have posted my 2009 hummingbird banding report on my website. Go to: http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet/BandingData.htm and click on the 2009 summary link and it will open a PDF version of the report. Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: bird plumage study From: Jonathan Drury <druryj AT UCLA.EDU> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:37:04 -0800 I am conducting a study of geographical variation in bird plumage, and I am looking for volunteers to take an online survey. Participants will rate the brightness and complexity of bird plumage for various images. If you are able to volunteer to take this survey, please e-mail me at druryj AT ucla.edu, and I will send you an e-mail with the URL to the survey and more information. Thank you in advance, Jonathan P. Drury Department of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology University of California, Los Angeles druryj AT ucla.edu subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Blog update From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:55:39 -0500 Birders, I have updated my blog with a rememberance of my uncle, who was my godfather and the person who first sparked my interest in birds. He passed away in August last year and I've waited until I had the various photos and audio files in hand before I could write this tribute to him. http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/ Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 12/29/09 (Banding Highlights) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:19:23 -0500 The 2009 banding year at Hilton Pond Center wasn't one of our best, but it WAS better than last year. Despite overall low totals, we set a new record for one species, tied for another, and went above average for a surprising number of species. To read about our banding highlights--complete with photos of some "special" birds--please visit our 29-31 December 2009 "This Week at Hilton Pond" photo essay at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091229.html We also include a summary of our "Yearly Yard List for 2009," a tally of birds banded during the last three days of the year, and a note about a rather old Northern Cardinal that showed up on New Years Eve. Happy (New Years) Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Vancouver Avian Research Centre - New Website From: "Derek J. Matthews" <Derek.J.Matthews AT SPECTRUM-CANADA.COM> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:31:58 -0800 Happy New Year Banders - I hope you all have a great 2010! We have updated the website for VARC and added lots more information - Although the look is the same much of the content has been changed to reflect our desire to add a greater educational component and to make the site a resource for information. We have added a blog: http://www.birdvancouver.com/blog.html - This will be updated each week with details of our banding activities and results together with any other interesting bird related information we hear about. We have added a whole section on volunteering as we receive lots of inquiries from people wishing to help at the stations - This page provides information on volunteer activities for both trained and untrained volunteers together with links to our Banding Station Protocol and Volunteer Levels Assessment for those wishing to be trained as banders. There is also a Volunteer Sign-up Form on this page at: http://www.birdvancouver.com/volunteer.html Details of our research and projects undertaken in 2009 at Colony Farm can be found on our projects page: http://www.birdvancouver.com/projects.html and the banding results, banding results presentation and initial conclusions from our first year banding at Colony Farm can be found on our reports page: http://www.birdvancouver.com/reports.html Finally we have added a page called 'About Birds'. Every species banded will be represented here and by clicking on an individual species you will be able to use our Bird Guide to identify birds, learn about the life history and find information and cool facts. We will also be adding comprehensive information and photographs to explain molt and how molt sequences allow us to accurately age North American land birds in the hand: http://www.birdvancouver.com/birds.html We are very excited about 2010 - Our plans are to dramatically expand the banding program at Colony Farm by doubling the banding effort during spring and fall migration. We have permission to add a banding lab and small interpretive center for visitors with a view to creating a professional, year round banding program in Vancouver. If any of you are visiting the Pacific Northwest in 2010 it would be great to see you! Derek Matthews Master Bander - Bander-in-Charge Vancouver Avian Research Centre Vancouver, BC, Canada www.birdvancouver.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 12/22/09 (Christmas Bird Count) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:46:22 -0500 As the holiday season arrives, we're always involved in compiling results of the York/Rock Hill Christmas Bird Count, so that's the topic of the 22-28 December 2009 installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond." Our final numbers weren't all that great, but we did manage to get a few photos of birds we observed--including a close image of an adult Red-shouldered Hawk. To view the photo essay, please visit http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091222.html and then scroll down for our usual list of banded birds and miscellaneous notes about bird scarcity and torrential rains. Happy (Holiday) Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Colour banded Northern Flickers From: "Derek J. Matthews" <Derek.J.Matthews AT SPECTRUM-CANADA.COM> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:15:43 -0800 Hi Guys, HAPPY NEW YEAR - I hope it's a good one for you all with lots of great banding wherever you are! I had an email today from someone with a photo of a colour banded Northern Flicker (Colaptes auratus ) The bird has a federal aluminium band on the left leg with a red colour band above and an orange band with a blue band above on the right leg. This is one of several colour banded birds coming to this person's feeder in Surrey, BC, Canada. Although we have banded quite a lot of Northern Flickers this year we have not colour banded any so these birds must be part of another study be conducted by someone. If anyone has any information regarding this project please let me know. Thanks and happy 2010 banding! Derek Matthews Master Bander - Bander-in-Charge Vancouver Avian Research Centre Vancouver, BC, Canada www.birdvancouver.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Bird banding blog update From: Anthony Overs <anthony.overs AT GMAIL.COM> Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 17:39:09 +1100 Hi all Two blog entries for you this time, one on banding seabirds and one on colour banding forest birds. http://birdbander.blogspot.com Comments welcome. Enjoy! Kind regards and seasons greetings Anthony subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 12/12/09 From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:45:09 -0500 We don’t usually travel to Costa Rica until our winter banding season starts in mid-January, but this week we were down in San Jose at the request of Ernesto Carman Jr.--our in-country guide and colleague during Neotropical hummingbird research. Seems Ernesto wanted a legal witness/best man for his wedding, so we were delighted to journey south for the event. While there we also spent lots of time observing native flora and fauna we’ve described in the 12-21 December 2009 installment of “This Week at Hilton Pond.” To view photos of the new bride and groom--plus lots of images (and a video) of Costa Rican plants and animals--please visit http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091212.html. We also include our usual list, albeit brief, of birds banded at Hilton Pond during the period. Please note we still have a few slots available for our Week Two hummingbird expedition to Costa Rica, beginning 2 February 2010. Happy (Holiday) Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Metro Beach Fall 2009 Banding Report From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:16:42 -0500 Birders and Banders, I have finished my full-length banding summary for fall 2009 at Metro Beach Metropark, Macomb County, Michigan, and have uploaded it (PDF) to my website at: http://www.amazilia.net/MetroBeachBanding/ Scroll down to the hyperlink for the Fall 2009 report. Also, I have updated the 2004-Present page with the fall 2009 data, so you may want to check out that link as well. Happy Holidays everyone! subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hummingbird blog update From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:12:22 -0500 Hummingbird enthusiasts, I have updated my blog with an account of a trip to Holmes County, northeastern Ohio, on Friday, December 11, when I banded Ohio's first Allen's Hummingbird. It is rather long, but also has lots of photos. And I get on my soapbox a little at the end, so you can read that bit, or not, as you see fit. Go to my blog at: http://mihummingbirdguy.blogspot.com/. Allen T. Chartier amazilia1(at)comcast.net Inkster, Michigan, USA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 12/01/09 (Rufous Hummingbird) From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:54:08 -0500 We were delighted today to travel to Moore SC, where we captured a very colorful Rufous Hummingbird--only our second adult male in 18 years of banding vagrant hummers. We've devoted the 1-11 December 2009 installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond" to this little bird who's far from where we might expect him to be as winter approaches. To view the photo essay, please visit http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek091201.html . While there, scroll down for a list of birds banded or recaptured locally, as well as some miscellaneous nature notes. Happy Nature Watching! BILL ========= RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA (803) 684-5852 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm