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2 Jul Mist nets are sold [Lester Peyton ] 28 Jun mist nets for sale [Lester Peyton ] 28 Jun Hilton Pond 06/15/08 [Research at Hilton Pond ] 23 Jun Bird Observatory Science Programs Director] ["C. John Ralph" ] 21 Jun Hilton Pond 06/01/08 [Research at Hilton Pond ] 19 Jun Powdermill website updated through May [Robert Mulvihill ] 18 Jun Catching Carolina Wrens [Shannon Trimboli ] 17 Jun S. torquata [Javier Blasco Zumeta ] 17 Jun Re: worse birds for biting [Tim Vargo ] 17 Jun Re: worse birds for biting [Paul Irving ] 16 Jun Re: worse birds for biting ["Derek J. Matthews" ] 16 Jun Re: worse birds for biting ["Overs, Anthony (REPS)" ] 12 Jun Re: worse birds for biting [Bill Elrick ] 12 Jun Re: worse birds for biting [] 12 Jun Re: worse birds for biting [Lance Laviolette ] 12 Jun Re: worse birds for biting ["Norman D.van Swelm" ] 11 Jun Re: worse birds for biting [SAKAI_WALTER ] 12 Jun Re: worse birds for biting ["Philip D. 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A utumn 2008 [José Luis Arroyo ] 30 May Question regarding molt ["Derek J. Matthews" ] 26 May Hilton Pond 05/15/08 (Seven Bird Notes) [Research at Hilton Pond ] 22 May Metro Beach (Michigan) Banding Report - May 19 & 21, 2008 ["Allen T. Chartier" ] Subject: Mist nets are sold From: Lester Peyton <lesterap AT FUSE.NET> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:27:00 -0400 Hello, First come first serve. I sold the nets to the first email I received (actually the second email, the first was outside the US). Take care, Lester Peyton subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: mist nets for sale From: Lester Peyton <lesterap AT FUSE.NET> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:46:18 -0400 Hello, I just came across 10 brand new mist nets that I purchased from Spidertech (Finland). I bought the nets a few years ago and have never used them. They have been stored in my basement and are not damaged in anyway. They are still in original packages. All 10 are 12 x 2.7m / 30 mm mesh. Nylon 110/d2. They are passerine nets. I have used spidertech's nets in the field before and have found them to be of good quality. If you are interested in buying ALL 10 please contact me. The price is 500.00. I will cover shipping to interior US only. HI and AK you will have to cover. Thanks. Lester Peyton Licensed Bird Bander Harrison, OHio subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 06/15/08 From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:14:17 -0400 Each June in the Carolinas, aquatic turtle females lumber onto land to make their nests in dry places. We often encounter these egg-bound females along our trails, but "This Week at Hilton Pond" we got a rare up-close look at a male Painted Turtle. For a photo essay of this wandering shelled reptile out of his element, please visit our current installment for 15-21 June 2008 at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek080615.html As always we include a tally of all birds banded or recaptured during the period, plus a follow-up note on the effects of last week's furnace-busting lightning strike. Happy Nature Watching! BILL -- RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ********** subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Bird Observatory Science Programs Director] From: "C. John Ralph" <cjralph AT HUMBOLDT1.COM> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:36:37 -0700 For your information. c.j. subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 06/01/08 From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:42:34 -0400 Banders sometimes complain (brag?) about how hard different bird species can bite, but a Giant Stag Beetle we netted this week provided a strong squeeze of its own. For a photo essay on the pinching prowess of this big insect, please visit the 1-14 June 2008 installment of "This Week at Hilton Pond" at http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek080601.html As always we include a tally of all birds banded and recaptured, as well as general notes about nuthatches, and a recent lightning storm, with further commentary about local scarcity of Ruby-throated Hummingbirds. Happy Nature Watching! BILL -- RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ********** subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Powdermill website updated through May From: Robert Mulvihill <mulvihill AT PABIRDATLAS.ORG> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:45:57 -0400 Dear Birders/Banders/Ringers, Molly McDermott and I have recently updated the Powdermill banding website with two pages of banding notes and pictorial bird highlights for May. http://www.westol.com/~banding/Spring2008_May1sthalf.htm http://www.westol.com/~banding/Spring2008_May2ndhalf.htm During May, we and our volunteers banded 1,017 birds of 84 species and processed 329 recaptures of previously banded birds. Our final totals for the spring season (March through May) were 1880 birds banded of 103 species and 691 recaptures. A summary table of our spring banding totals, as well as some early summer banding totals, can be accessed from our home page (http://www.westol.com/~banding/index.htm), and we will shortly post a tabular spring summary comparing this season's totals with our long-term averages. By way of a preview, our May banding highlights include the previously reported capture, banding and recapture in early May of a female "Sutton's" Warbler (Yellow-throated Warbler X Northern Parula). We recaptured the Sutton's a second time at the end of the month, when she was observed to have a well-developed brood patch! On the web page for the second half of May are additional photos of the female Sutton's, as well as of females of the two parent species, all taken within a few days of one another! Another May pictorial highlight is a genetically introgressed Golden-winged Warbler (but not a distinctive "Brewster's" or "Lawrence's" hybrid) compared to a "pure" GWWA banded just a few days later. In addition, as we did in March/April, we've devoted an entire web page to Powdermill *people* highlights for May (e.g., workshops, interns, visitors): http://www.westol.com/~banding/May2008_people.htm As always, we appreciate your interest in our program and welcome your questions, comments, and suggestions about our website. Best, Bob -- Robert S. Mulvihill Carnegie Museum of Natural History Field Ornithology Projects Coordinator 2nd PA Breeding Bird Atlas Project Coordinator Powdermill Avian Research Center 1847 Route 381 Rector, PA 15677 724.593.6022 mulvihill AT pabirdatlas.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Catching Carolina Wrens From: Shannon Trimboli <shannontrimboli AT BELLSOUTH.NET> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:38:20 -0600 Hi all, I will be starting a project on Carolina wrens soon and was hoping for some advice. I want to capture mated pairs in the nonbreeding season and color band them for behavioral observations. I have experience using mist nets to capture nesting birds (different species) for color banding and tracking, general banding at different sites, and working at a MAPS station. Although I've worked with Carolina wrens through the general mist netting and MAPS station, this will be my first time targeting that species. For those of you who may have more experience than I do, would you suggest using mist nets, a funnel trap, or something else to capture the wrens? Thanks in advance for any advice you can give me. Have a great day! Shannon subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: S. torquata From: Javier Blasco Zumeta <blaszu AT ARRAKIS.ES> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:44:31 +0200 Dear colleagues ... Dr. David Serrano (EBD) is studying since some years ago the species Saxicola torquata. He has sexed juveniles using blood analysis and found some differences in plumage which can be a help in sexing juvenile birds in this species. This information is available in http://www.javierblasco.arrakis.es/indexE.htm I'd like to thank David for his kindness and his permission to add these data to my page before their publication. Warm regards Javier Blasco-Zumeta c/ Hispanidad, 8 50750 Pina de Ebro Zaragoza (Spain) Tfno. 976.16.50.63 blaszu AT arrakis.es Los Monegros: http://idd004kb.eresmas.net/monegros/ Ibercaja/Aves de Aragón: http://www.javierblasco.arrakis.es subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: Tim Vargo <tvargo AT URBANECOLOGYCENTER.ORG> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:22:10 -0500 Hello - I'm new to this listserve and I'm assuming there is a string of the most painful bites? By far my worst nemesis was the rufous-browed peppershrike in Bolivia. The power of a cardinal with a hooked bill to rip flesh. Timothy Vargo Manager of Research and Citizen Science Urban Ecology Center 1500 E Park Pl Milwaukee WI 53211 Phone: (414) 964-8505 x 116 Fax: (414) 964-1084 tvargo AT urbanecologycenter.org www.urbanecologycenter.org -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Irving Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 5:29 AM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting Hi all, although I've not experienced it I can remember an article in UK ringing about catching ravens in which the author stated that having caught your bird it was like handling a 2kg blue tit ( chickadee)! not a fun idea. Merlin certainly have a nasty bite compared to other raptors and I have a colleague who can attest to the pain of a Tengmalms Owl ( Boreal Owl) talon in the privates!!! Don't ask. Paul -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Irving Phone: +44 (0)1904 462064 Field Biologist/EBG1 GTN: 5129 Central Science Laboratory Fax: +44 (0)1904 462111 Sand Hutton Email: p.irving AT csl.gov.uk York YO41 1LZ Web: http://www.csl.gov.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer The information contained in this message may include privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Please treat it with the same respect that you would expect for your own information. If you have received it in error, we apologise, and ask that you contact the CSL sender immediately and erase it from your computer. Thank you for your co-operation. Further information on confidentiality of our communications, can be found at http://www.csl.gov.uk/email.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: Paul Irving <p.irving AT CSL.GOV.UK> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:29:19 +0100 Hi all, although I've not experienced it I can remember an article in UK ringing about catching ravens in which the author stated that having caught your bird it was like handling a 2kg blue tit ( chickadee)! not a fun idea. Merlin certainly have a nasty bite compared to other raptors and I have a colleague who can attest to the pain of a Tengmalms Owl ( Boreal Owl) talon in the privates!!! Don't ask. Paul -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Irving Phone: +44 (0)1904 462064 Field Biologist/EBG1 GTN: 5129 Central Science Laboratory Fax: +44 (0)1904 462111 Sand Hutton Email: p.irving AT csl.gov.uk York YO41 1LZ Web: http://www.csl.gov.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer The information contained in this message may include privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Please treat it with the same respect that you would expect for your own information. If you have received it in error, we apologise, and ask that you contact the CSL sender immediately and erase it from your computer. Thank you for your co-operation. Further information on confidentiality of our communications, can be found at http://www.csl.gov.uk/email.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: "Derek J. Matthews" <Derek.J.Matthews AT SPECTRUM-CANADA.COM> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:59:30 -0700 Blimey Anthony - and we complain about Chickadees!! (lol) I was going to post about being bitten by Northwestern Crows I was banding last week but I think I'll shut up!! Wouldn't mind swapping a Northwestern Crow for a Crimson Rosella though!! G'day mate! Derek -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Overs, Anthony (REPS) Sent: 15-Jun-08 5:26 PM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting I'd love to add an Australian perspective We have a large number of parrot species. I can speak from personal experience regarding just how nasty some of the parrots can be. I have been bitten by Crimson Rosellas and Eastern Ringnecks. Both draw blood easily. I have a scar on my knuckle from my first Crimson Rosella! A banding colleague that is now in his mid nineties still bears a scar many decades old on his thumb from a Gang-gang Cockatoo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/n3ttl3s/2191488128/) that got hold of him during extraction. I agree that a bird being banded/processed is reasonably straight forward to handle. It's the net extraction that can be difficult. The most difficult bird I have ever extracted was a Rainbow Lorikeet, a very aggressive bird with a powerful and very sharp bill (here's an example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iansand/484665857/). Even the diminutive Budgerigar can be aggressive and as a nasty nip. Our bird bander's manual has some colourful descriptions of banding some of the parrots including "best left for trainees" and "what's the point of a yellow streak if you can't depend on it" Cheers Anthony Overs -----Original Message----- From: mamcdona AT FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU [mailto:mamcdona AT FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU] Sent: Friday, 13 June 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: worse birds for biting I have worked with animals for over 45 years (and yet I'm barely passed 21). I have found that if you or the animal is anxious, your pain thresholds go down considerably. When working with new people, I advise them to get hold of the bird (or mouse or whatever) as quickly, securely, and harmlessly as possible, and maintain quiet around the site. If you are putting your hand in a bag, move the bird gently to one corner for ease of handling. If you don't, the bird will have room to escape and you will spend a lot of time chasing it, making it even more anxious. Take a deep breath before going into a situation where you are anxious. With animals, ensure their anxiety is minimized by using a soothing voice and processing them as fast as you can. At our banding station, we do send the nubies to extract Cardinals, as the more experienced volunteers disappear or hold up hands with no fingers. To minimize digit loss, screaming, and possible lawsuits, we give them (the birds, not the nubies) sticks to chew on, to distract them while processing. And we emphasize quiet respect for the bird in hand. Always emphasize respect for the subject. Mara McDonald, Ph.D. Assistant Administrator Laboratory of Genetics, and The Evolution Initiative 425-G Henry Mall Rm 1436 University of Wisconsin Madison WI 53706-1580 608-263-8941 (tel) 608-262-2976 (FAX) mamcdona AT wisc.edu http://www.evolution.wisc.edu Biocore Prairie Bird Observatory http://waa.uwalumni.com/lakeshorepreserve/birdbanding.html subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: "Overs, Anthony (REPS)" <Anthony.Overs.Reps AT APH.GOV.AU> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 10:25:47 +1000 I'd love to add an Australian perspective We have a large number of parrot species. I can speak from personal experience regarding just how nasty some of the parrots can be. I have been bitten by Crimson Rosellas and Eastern Ringnecks. Both draw blood easily. I have a scar on my knuckle from my first Crimson Rosella! A banding colleague that is now in his mid nineties still bears a scar many decades old on his thumb from a Gang-gang Cockatoo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/n3ttl3s/2191488128/) that got hold of him during extraction. I agree that a bird being banded/processed is reasonably straight forward to handle. It's the net extraction that can be difficult. The most difficult bird I have ever extracted was a Rainbow Lorikeet, a very aggressive bird with a powerful and very sharp bill (here's an example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iansand/484665857/). Even the diminutive Budgerigar can be aggressive and as a nasty nip. Our bird bander's manual has some colourful descriptions of banding some of the parrots including "best left for trainees" and "what's the point of a yellow streak if you can't depend on it" Cheers Anthony Overs -----Original Message----- From: mamcdona AT FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU [mailto:mamcdona AT FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU] Sent: Friday, 13 June 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: worse birds for biting I have worked with animals for over 45 years (and yet I'm barely passed 21). I have found that if you or the animal is anxious, your pain thresholds go down considerably. When working with new people, I advise them to get hold of the bird (or mouse or whatever) as quickly, securely, and harmlessly as possible, and maintain quiet around the site. If you are putting your hand in a bag, move the bird gently to one corner for ease of handling. If you don't, the bird will have room to escape and you will spend a lot of time chasing it, making it even more anxious. Take a deep breath before going into a situation where you are anxious. With animals, ensure their anxiety is minimized by using a soothing voice and processing them as fast as you can. At our banding station, we do send the nubies to extract Cardinals, as the more experienced volunteers disappear or hold up hands with no fingers. To minimize digit loss, screaming, and possible lawsuits, we give them (the birds, not the nubies) sticks to chew on, to distract them while processing. And we emphasize quiet respect for the bird in hand. Always emphasize respect for the subject. Mara McDonald, Ph.D. Assistant Administrator Laboratory of Genetics, and The Evolution Initiative 425-G Henry Mall Rm 1436 University of Wisconsin Madison WI 53706-1580 608-263-8941 (tel) 608-262-2976 (FAX) mamcdona AT wisc.edu http://www.evolution.wisc.edu Biocore Prairie Bird Observatory http://waa.uwalumni.com/lakeshorepreserve/birdbanding.html subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: Bill Elrick <belrick.geo AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:11:34 -0700 James, You are correct if you handle them you should not get bitten. however you have to get them out the net first and not get bitten. I usually use a small rotten piece of wood or twig found below the net to let the Grosbeak get a bite before I then extract them. Sometimes they bite it sometimes they don't. If its only one its not a problem just a small bite but after about 9 or more you tend to hold back a little. Congrats on the addition to the family. bill elrick NJ USA James Cracknell wrote: Hi Sorry, but if you handle a bird properly and confidently the chance of being bitten is minimal. I remember I lost my patience with someone ringing seabirds who kept on going "Razorbills bite" "Razorbills hurt"- I snapped back "NOT IF YOU HOLD THEM F PROPERLY". I had puncture wounds a couple of weeks ago in my stomach from a Barn Owl - but it was my fault. I could go into details about the moral of the story e.g. don't bring a Barn Owl's talons close to your stomach - but if you decide to ring them well that's what you get. You live with it. It really didn't hurt much at the time. I would refuse to give anyone a license to use any indiscriminate method of catching e.g. mist nets if they worry about birds biting that they might catch in that habitat. Confidence is a key trait that people need when dealing with any animals. It's all down to confidence - plus if you think you are going to experience pain your mind sets your body up to experience pain even more! Basic psychology. Stories about pain just exacerbate the problem! So what next. Well after my wife gave birth yesterday to a boy at 01:36 I will have to advise everyone to carry a canister of nitrous oxide with them. Wonderful stuff. Breathe it in. Ring your bird and you could be on another planet as it bites away! J. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3179 (20080611) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. Email message - is OK Email message - is OK http://www.eset.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: mamcdona AT FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:02:40 -0500 I have worked with animals for over 45 years (and yet I'm barely passed 21). I have found that if you or the animal is anxious, your pain thresholds go down considerably. When working with new people, I advise them to get hold of the bird (or mouse or whatever) as quickly, securely, and harmlessly as possible, and maintain quiet around the site. If you are putting your hand in a bag, move the bird gently to one corner for ease of handling. If you don't, the bird will have room to escape and you will spend a lot of time chasing it, making it even more anxious. Take a deep breath before going into a situation where you are anxious. With animals, ensure their anxiety is minimized by using a soothing voice and processing them as fast as you can. At our banding station, we do send the nubies to extract Cardinals, as the more experienced volunteers disappear or hold up hands with no fingers. To minimize digit loss, screaming, and possible lawsuits, we give them (the birds, not the nubies) sticks to chew on, to distract them while processing. And we emphasize quiet respect for the bird in hand. Always emphasize respect for the subject. Mara McDonald, Ph.D. Assistant Administrator Laboratory of Genetics, and The Evolution Initiative 425-G Henry Mall Rm 1436 University of Wisconsin Madison WI 53706-1580 608-263-8941 (tel) 608-262-2976 (FAX) mamcdona AT wisc.edu http://www.evolution.wisc.edu Biocore Prairie Bird Observatory http://waa.uwalumni.com/lakeshorepreserve/birdbanding.html >Hi > >Sorry, but if you handle a bird properly and confidently the chance of being >bitten is minimal. I remember I lost my patience with someone ringing >seabirds who kept on going "Razorbills bite" "Razorbills hurt"- I snapped >back "NOT IF YOU HOLD THEM F PROPERLY". > >I had puncture wounds a couple of weeks ago in my stomach from a Barn Owl - >but it was my fault. I could go into details about the moral of the story >e.g. don't bring a Barn Owl's talons close to your stomach - but if you >decide to ring them well that's what you get. You live with it. It really >didn't hurt much at the time. > >I would refuse to give anyone a license to use any indiscriminate method of >catching e.g. mist nets if they worry about birds biting that they might >catch in that habitat. Confidence is a key trait that people need when >dealing with any animals. > >It's all down to confidence - plus if you think you are going to experience >pain your mind sets your body up to experience pain even more! Basic >psychology. Stories about pain just exacerbate the problem! > >So what next. Well after my wife gave birth yesterday to a boy at 01:36 I >will have to advise everyone to carry a canister of nitrous oxide with them. >Wonderful stuff. Breathe it in. Ring your bird and you could be on another >planet as it bites away! > >J. > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 3179 (20080611) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > Email message - is OK > Email message - is OK > >http://www.eset.com > > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm -- subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: Lance Laviolette <corvuscorax AT SYMPATICO.CA> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:07:40 -0400 Hi everyone, As a bird that lives by hacking meat off of a frozen carcass at -40C, the Common Raven has got to be at or near the top of the list. The last veteran raven bander I knew had hands that looked like they had been through a meat grinder several times over. He was a very tough man but freely confessed to having been brought to tears a number of times by their bite. Retrieving a raven from a vee-trap full of ravens, it was always 50/50 regarding who would get the grip on who first. All the best, Lance ============================== Lance Laviolette Brier Island Bird Migration Research Station Brier Island, Nova Scotia, Canada ============================== subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: "Norman D.van Swelm" <Norman.vanswelm AT WXS.NL> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:24:07 +0200 James Cracknell wrote: > I had puncture wounds a couple of weeks ago in my stomach from a Barn Owl - > but it was my fault. > Indeed, I doubt the owl choose to be there voluntarily! > So what next. Well after my wife gave birth yesterday to a boy at 01:36 I > will have to advise everyone to carry a canister of nitrous oxide with > them. > Wonderful stuff. Breathe it in. < Well now Jamie: CONGRATULATIONS! Has he got a name already. Norman subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: SAKAI_WALTER <SAKAI_WALTER AT SMC.EDU> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:07:48 -0700 Ya know. Any bander worth his/her mettles will have a "war story" or two to tell. You fight through it and do your job. There are all sorts of sayings like the one above my high school football coach's desk about "when the going gets tough, the tough get going." You also learn to be careful. Walt Professor of Biology, Life Sciences Dept Editor, Western Bird Banding Association, North American Bird Bander Research Associate, Entomology Section, Natural History Museum of L.A. Co. Santa Monica College, 1900 Pico Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90405 Tele: 310.434.4702; FAX: 310.434.3624 email: sakai_walter AT smc.edu; DanauSakai AT aol.com Homepage: http://homepage.smc.edu/sakai%5Fwalter/ Federal Bird Banding Permit: 22030 "The best way to learn something is to teach it." "Migrate with the Monarchs" ________________________________ From: Bird Bander's Forum on behalf of A. McAndrews Sent: Wed 6/11/2008 12:19 PM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting How about clouds of mosquitoes _and_ nets full of Evening Grosbeak? Wenatchee National Forest, 1998 MAPS high elevation bog station. What a wonderful lesson in adopting zen-like patience while banding! Amy McAndrews Xalapa, Veracruz --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: "Philip D. Round" <pdround AT KSC.TH.COM> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:38:05 +0700 Hi, All, I have been quite interested and amused by this correspondence about biting birds. My experience is exclusively Palearctic and SE Asian, and I'd have to say that the most evilly-biting passerine bird that I have handled is Spot-breasted Parotbill, Paradoxornis guttaticollis. I guess the bill is adapted for snipping through bamboo stems - at any rate it cuts through human flesh like a razor. I handled a couple ten years ago; then a couple more last winter. What I had forgotten in the intervening decade was that not only do they instantly inflict wounds that leave you bleeding profusely, but that when they bite, they also hang on more tenaciously than a shrike. In fact I would say they are worse than shrikes by several orders of magnitude. They are absolutely brilliant birds, though, when you get down to it! As with any bird, when you have had it in the hand, you appreciate observing it in the field even more. However, I am not in a particular hurry to handle any more. Yours sincerely, Phil Philip D. Round Regional Representative, The Wetland Trust Assistant Professor Department of Biology, Faculty of Science, Mahidol University, Rama 6 Road, Bangkok 10400 Thailand Tel. 66-2-201-5278 (office); 66-2-445-7306 (home) Fax 66-2-445-7307 mobile 081-914-8675 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross McGregor" To: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 3:20 AM Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting I've been bitten by Senegal Parrot in West Africa. The pain eclipsed everthing before that including Fulmar, Atlantic Puffin (very very nasty), Yellow-eyed Penguin, various Barbets etc. I've handled various falcons, accipiters and owls and never had much of problem with them. Though everything was eclipsed by the Black Widow that bit me yesterday! Cheers Ross McGregor Tallahassee, FL, USA Quoting Devin Manky : > Indeed! > > I just wonder about some of the folk working on Parrot banding down in > South America. Macaws must be fun to deal with! > > Devin Manky > Wildlife Manager > Grouse Mountain Refuge for Endangered Wildlife > Grouse Mountain Resorts Ltd. > Phone: 604.998.4229 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Derek J. Matthews > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:50 AM > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting > > You guys are all wussies - forget about the birds - you should see the > mosquitoes at our banding site - they're as big as merlins and hunt you > down > in packs and mug you - be very afraid!! (lol) > > Derek - Vancouver, BC, Canada > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On > Behalf > Of Jill Morrow > Sent: 11-Jun-08 10:35 AM > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Subject: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting > > Aside from the obvious (fish eating birds), the worst bird bites are > from > merlins (Falco columbarius or MERL)! > > They bite much harder and more reliably than kestrels, have longer, > sharper > and hence more destructive beaks than cardinals and they have a reaction > time faster than any bander. > > Having banded dozens of eagles, 100s of hawks and falcons and a couple > larger falcons I can say from experience than those quick merciless > merlins > are the worst! > > > Lance & Jill Morrow > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm __________ NOD32 3177 (20080611) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: James Cracknell <james AT JCRACKNELL.CO.UK> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:36:00 +0100 Hi Sorry, but if you handle a bird properly and confidently the chance of being bitten is minimal. I remember I lost my patience with someone ringing seabirds who kept on going "Razorbills bite" "Razorbills hurt"- I snapped back "NOT IF YOU HOLD THEM F PROPERLY". I had puncture wounds a couple of weeks ago in my stomach from a Barn Owl - but it was my fault. I could go into details about the moral of the story e.g. don't bring a Barn Owl's talons close to your stomach - but if you decide to ring them well that's what you get. You live with it. It really didn't hurt much at the time. I would refuse to give anyone a license to use any indiscriminate method of catching e.g. mist nets if they worry about birds biting that they might catch in that habitat. Confidence is a key trait that people need when dealing with any animals. It's all down to confidence - plus if you think you are going to experience pain your mind sets your body up to experience pain even more! Basic psychology. Stories about pain just exacerbate the problem! So what next. Well after my wife gave birth yesterday to a boy at 01:36 I will have to advise everyone to carry a canister of nitrous oxide with them. Wonderful stuff. Breathe it in. Ring your bird and you could be on another planet as it bites away! J. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3179 (20080611) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. Email message - is OK Email message - is OK http://www.eset.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: computer virus hoax From: "C. John Ralph" <cjralph AT HUMBOLDT1.COM> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:20:49 -0700 hi.. this sort of stuff should NOT be posted on Bird Band. If you feel the need to send this out to people on your own, personal mailing list, you have fallen for their ploy, but please don't send it to Bird Band. Many thanks, c.j. -- -----Dr. C. John Ralph --- U.S. Forest Service, Redwood Sciences Laboratory, 1700 Bayview Drive, Arcata, California 95521. (707) 825-2992 (fax: 825-2901) home: 822-2015 cell: 499-9707 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- cjralph AT humboldt1.com cjr2 AT humboldt.edu cralph AT fs.fed.us http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/programs/TimberManagement/staff/cralph/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: Ross McGregor <mcgregor AT OCEAN.FSU.EDU> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:20:03 -0400 I've been bitten by Senegal Parrot in West Africa. The pain eclipsed everthing before that including Fulmar, Atlantic Puffin (very very nasty), Yellow-eyed Penguin, various Barbets etc. I've handled various falcons, accipiters and owls and never had much of problem with them. Though everything was eclipsed by the Black Widow that bit me yesterday! Cheers Ross McGregor Tallahassee, FL, USA Quoting Devin Manky : > Indeed! > > I just wonder about some of the folk working on Parrot banding down in > South America. Macaws must be fun to deal with! > > Devin Manky > Wildlife Manager > Grouse Mountain Refuge for Endangered Wildlife > Grouse Mountain Resorts Ltd. > Phone: 604.998.4229 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Derek J. Matthews > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:50 AM > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting > > You guys are all wussies - forget about the birds - you should see the > mosquitoes at our banding site - they're as big as merlins and hunt you > down > in packs and mug you - be very afraid!! (lol) > > Derek - Vancouver, BC, Canada > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On > Behalf > Of Jill Morrow > Sent: 11-Jun-08 10:35 AM > To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU > Subject: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting > > Aside from the obvious (fish eating birds), the worst bird bites are > from > merlins (Falco columbarius or MERL)! > > They bite much harder and more reliably than kestrels, have longer, > sharper > and hence more destructive beaks than cardinals and they have a reaction > time faster than any bander. > > Having banded dozens of eagles, 100s of hawks and falcons and a couple > larger falcons I can say from experience than those quick merciless > merlins > are the worst! > > > Lance & Jill Morrow > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: "A. McAndrews" <aemcandrews AT YAHOO.CA> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:19:13 -0400 How about clouds of mosquitoes _and_ nets full of Evening Grosbeak? Wenatchee National Forest, 1998 MAPS high elevation bog station. What a wonderful lesson in adopting zen-like patience while banding! Amy McAndrews Xalapa, Veracruz --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: Devin Manky <dmanky AT GROUSEMOUNTAIN.COM> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:58:17 -0700 Indeed! I just wonder about some of the folk working on Parrot banding down in South America. Macaws must be fun to deal with! Devin Manky Wildlife Manager Grouse Mountain Refuge for Endangered Wildlife Grouse Mountain Resorts Ltd. Phone: 604.998.4229 -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Derek J. Matthews Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:50 AM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting You guys are all wussies - forget about the birds - you should see the mosquitoes at our banding site - they're as big as merlins and hunt you down in packs and mug you - be very afraid!! (lol) Derek - Vancouver, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jill Morrow Sent: 11-Jun-08 10:35 AM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting Aside from the obvious (fish eating birds), the worst bird bites are from merlins (Falco columbarius or MERL)! They bite much harder and more reliably than kestrels, have longer, sharper and hence more destructive beaks than cardinals and they have a reaction time faster than any bander. Having banded dozens of eagles, 100s of hawks and falcons and a couple larger falcons I can say from experience than those quick merciless merlins are the worst! Lance & Jill Morrow subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: worse birds for biting From: "Derek J. Matthews" <Derek.J.Matthews AT SPECTRUM-CANADA.COM> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:49:36 -0700 You guys are all wussies - forget about the birds - you should see the mosquitoes at our banding site - they're as big as merlins and hunt you down in packs and mug you - be very afraid!! (lol) Derek - Vancouver, BC, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jill Morrow Sent: 11-Jun-08 10:35 AM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: [BIRDBAND] worse birds for biting Aside from the obvious (fish eating birds), the worst bird bites are from merlins (Falco columbarius or MERL)! They bite much harder and more reliably than kestrels, have longer, sharper and hence more destructive beaks than cardinals and they have a reaction time faster than any bander. Having banded dozens of eagles, 100s of hawks and falcons and a couple larger falcons I can say from experience than those quick merciless merlins are the worst! Lance & Jill Morrow subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: worse birds for biting From: Jill Morrow <landjmorrow AT EARTHLINK.NET> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:34:36 -0400 Aside from the obvious (fish eating birds), the worst bird bites are from merlins (Falco columbarius or MERL)! They bite much harder and more reliably than kestrels, have longer, sharper and hence more destructive beaks than cardinals and they have a reaction time faster than any bander. Having banded dozens of eagles, 100s of hawks and falcons and a couple larger falcons I can say from experience than those quick merciless merlins are the worst! 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Check it out AT SNOPES. http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/invitation.asp Stacy Hanks Milford, CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Ndungu" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:40 AM Subject: [BIRDBAND] DEADLY Virus spreading..... > READ IMMEDIATELY PLS > > Get this sent around to your contacts ASAP...we don't > need this spreading around. > > PLEASE FORWARD THIS WARNING AMONG FRIENDS, FAMILY AND > CONTACTS: > > You should be alert during the next days: > > Do not open any message with an attached file called > 'Invitation' regardless of who sent it, It is a virus > that opens an Olympic Torch which 'burns' the whole > hard disc C of your computer. > > > This virus will be received from someone who has your > e-mail address in his/her contact list, that is why > you should send this e-mail to all your contacts. 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IT TO YOUR FRIENDS > > James Kuria Ndung'u > FRONT TRAILS SAFARIS ... taking you closer to nature > 33 Kenya House, > Koinange / Monrovia Str, 2nd Floor, Unit 22C, > P.O Box 60903, City Square, 00200, Nairobi  > KENYA, East Africa. > > PH/FX: +254 (20) 221-0930 > CELL: +254-734-287-802 > WIRELESS: +254 (020) 230-1705 > SKYPE: james.kuria.ndungu > YAHOO MESSENGER: ndungujk > E-MAIL: james.ndungu AT fronttrailsafaris.net > WEBSITE: www.fronttrailsafaris.com > > > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web > site: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: computer virus hoax From: Bill Elrick <belrick.geo AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:38:57 -0700 Olympic Torch is a computer virus hoax sent out by e-mail. The hoax e-mails first appeared in February 2006. The "virus" referred to by the e-mail does not actually exist. The hoax e-mail warns recipients of a recent outbreak of "Olympic Torch" viruses, contained in e-mails titled "Invitation", which erase the hard disk of the user's computer when opened. The hoax email further purports the virus to be acknowledged by such reputable sources as CNN, McAfee and Microsoft as one of the most dangerous viruses yet reported. In reality, the "Olympic Torch" virus is non-existent, and generally has not been reported by the organizations quoted. If received, this hoax e-mail can safely be ignored and deleted. Bill Elrick Wyckoff NJ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: DEADLY Virus spreading..... From: James Ndungu <ndungujk AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:40:25 -0700 READ IMMEDIATELY PLS Get this sent around to your contacts ASAP...we don't need this spreading around. PLEASE FORWARD THIS WARNING AMONG FRIENDS, FAMILY AND CONTACTS: You should be alert during the next days: Do not open any message with an attached file called 'Invitation' regardless of who sent it, It is a virus that opens an Olympic Torch which 'burns' the whole hard disc C of your computer. This virus will be received from someone who has your e-mail address in his/her contact list, that is why you should send this e-mail to all your contacts. It is better to receive this message 25 times than to receive the virus and open it. If you receive a ma il called 'invitation' , though sent by a friend , do not open it and shut down your computer immediately. This is the worst virus announced by CNN, it has been classified by Microsoft as the most destructive virus ever. This virus was discovered by McAfee yesterday, and there is no repair yet for this kind of virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the Hard Disc, where the vital information is kept SEND THIS E-MAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW , COPY THIS E-MAIL AND SEND! IT TO YOUR FRIENDS James Kuria Ndung'u FRONT TRAILS SAFARIS ... taking you closer to nature 33 Kenya House, Koinange / Monrovia Str, 2nd Floor, Unit 22C, P.O Box 60903, City Square, 00200, Nairobi  KENYA, East Africa. PH/FX: +254 (20) 221-0930 CELL: +254-734-287-802 WIRELESS: +254 (020) 230-1705 SKYPE: james.kuria.ndungu YAHOO MESSENGER: ndungujk E-MAIL: james.ndungu AT fronttrailsafaris.net WEBSITE: www.fronttrailsafaris.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: warning!!! From: Kathy Klimkiewicz <kklimkiewicz AT USGS.GOV> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:55:19 -0400 Kestrels can do a good job of drawing blood with their bite. And then there are shrikes which get you with toes and bill! Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "Thorndill, David" Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 06/10/2008 04:17 PM Please respond to "Thorndill, David" To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject Re: [BIRDBAND] warning!!! My greatest regular fear are Cardinals. The painful bite can bring tears to a grown man's eyes and #*%$# AT to his lips. I play a game which gives a point to each Cardinal that can bite me somewhere from mist net removal to release. I'm scoring about 50% (.500), the same as my favorite baseball team, the Baltimore Orioles. Titmice and White-throated Sparrow bites in the winter (20 degrees F) on freezing fingers really hurt. But the most blood lost from tiny passerines has been from the needle sharp toes of Great Crested Flycatchers. After one puncture I learned my lesson and have been 100% blood free ever since. David Thorndill Professor of Biology Community College of Baltimore County, Essex http://faculty.ccbcmd.edu/~dthornd1/birds/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of The Murphy's Sent: Friday June 06, 2008 5:27 PM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: [BIRDBAND] belted kingfisher warning!!! Just thought I would put this out there we were so excited to catch a belted kingfisher in a passerine net the other day until it removed a significant piece of my index finger. Ok I am still excited but the edges of its bill are really like scissors and it could have been a lot worse. I do not know what other birds pose a potential risk to banders but I have heard bitterns can be risky. I would be interested to know if there are species we should be alerted to take special precautions about. Might be a worthwhile thread. All the best in birds. Bruce murphy subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: warning!!! From: "John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT att.net>" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:41:52 +0000 David, Be thankful, very,very thankful you don't work with Rose-breasted Grosbeaks or their more mannered cousins, Evening Grosbeaks. The challenge here is to see how many we can handle without getting bit from extraction to release. They surely love trying to "bite to the bone", are tenacious and don't like to let go - unless it's to find a better grip! I'm afraid the grosbeaks win the world series every year! We also handle several sapsuckers and those talons are needle sharp as they are on several other gripping birds. Best, John -- John & Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett, NY 14818-9626 "Conserve & Create HABITAT" http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: warning!!! From: "Thorndill, David" <DThorndill AT CCBCMD.EDU> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:17:27 -0400 My greatest regular fear are Cardinals. The painful bite can bring tears to a grown man's eyes and #*%$# AT to his lips. I play a game which gives a point to each Cardinal that can bite me somewhere from mist net removal to release. I'm scoring about 50% (.500), the same as my favorite baseball team, the Baltimore Orioles. Titmice and White-throated Sparrow bites in the winter (20 degrees F) on freezing fingers really hurt. But the most blood lost from tiny passerines has been from the needle sharp toes of Great Crested Flycatchers. After one puncture I learned my lesson and have been 100% blood free ever since. David Thorndill Professor of Biology Community College of Baltimore County, Essex http://faculty.ccbcmd.edu/~dthornd1/birds/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Bird Bander's Forum [mailto:BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU] On Behalf Of The Murphy's Sent: Friday June 06, 2008 5:27 PM To: BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: [BIRDBAND] belted kingfisher warning!!! Just thought I would put this out there we were so excited to catch a belted kingfisher in a passerine net the other day until it removed a significant piece of my index finger. Ok I am still excited but the edges of its bill are really like scissors and it could have been a lot worse. I do not know what other birds pose a potential risk to banders but I have heard bitterns can be risky. I would be interested to know if there are species we should be alerted to take special precautions about. Might be a worthwhile thread. All the best in birds. Bruce murphy subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Experienced Bird Bander Needed ASAP in NC From: Amy Finfera <afinfera AT BIRDPOP.ORG> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:00:54 -0700 Please share this with any interested folks you may know. Thanks, Amy Finfera, MAPS Intern Coordinator Experienced Bird Bander needed for the MONITORING AVIAN PRODUCTIVITY AND SURVIVORSHIP (MAPS) PROGRAM. The Institute for Bird Populations (IBP) is seeking an experienced bird bander to operate constant effort mist-netting and banding stations on Fort Bragg, North Carolina from ASAP to August 8, 2008. Join this continent-wide, long-term effort to determine the vital rates that cause changes in North American landbird populations. We are looking for enthusiastic, self-motivated individuals with some experience working independently in the field and a solid background in mistnetting, bird banding, and ageing and sexing landbirds using plumage characteristics. We particularly encourage previous MAPS interns to apply. The successful applicant will be expected to learn the MAPS protocol during an intensive training on location. After training, the bander will be responsible for operating 6 mist-netting stations, coordinating area volunteers for assistance, liaising with contacts on Fort Bragg, and submitting monthly progress reports to IBP's main office. Free housing will be provided in addition to a per diem of $30 for about 48 days in the field, totaling approximately $1,440 for the season (depending on start date). The bander will need a reliable vehicle and will be reimbursed at $0.35/mile for job-related use. The position entails working a minimum of 6 of every 10 days, depending on weather and logistical considerations. These positions are an opportunity to gain experience working independently in the field, and individuals in these positions frequently have the opportunity to step into supervisory field biologist positions with IBP during subsequent seasons. Interested applicants should send via email a cover letter, resume, and current contact information for three references, along with a completed MAPS Internship Application form. Application forms as well as further information can be found on our website, www.birdpop.org, or contact AMY FINFERA at The Institute for Bird Populations, EMAIL: afinfera AT birdpop.org, FAX 415-663-9482, PH 415-663-1436. Position will be filled as soon as a suitable candidate is found. **************************************************** Amy Finfera Staff Biologist The Institute for Bird Populations P.O. Box 1346 Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1346 Phone: 415-663-1436 Fax: 415-663-9482 afinfera AT birdpop.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: belted kingfisher warning!!! From: The Murphy's <birdboy AT NTL.SYMPATICO.CA> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:26:36 -0400 Just thought I would put this out there we were so excited to catch a belted kingfisher in a passerine net the other day until it removed a significant piece of my index finger. Ok I am still excited but the edges of its bill are really like scissors and it could have been a lot worse. I do not know what other birds pose a potential risk to banders but I have heard bitterns can be risky. I would be interested to know if there are species we should be alerted to take special precautions about. Might be a worthwhile thread. All the best in birds. Bruce murphy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1484 - Release Date: 04/06/2008 4:40 PM subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 05/22/08 From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 22:21:44 -0400 A blooming bush, a tree-climbing snake, a crawly critter that kills trees, a sap-drinking butterfly, an out-of-place treefrog, and a late Neotropical migrant bird. In late May it seems natural happenings are everywhere you look. Our "This Week at Hilton Pond" photo essay for 22-31 May 2008 is a snapshot of all these things and more, including a tally of all birds banded and a list of recaptures--not the least of which was our first returning Ruby-throated Hummingbird of the year. To view the current installment, please visit http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek080522.html Happy Nature Watching! BILL -- RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ********** subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Use of knitting needles to hold bands From: Scott Weidensaul <scottweidensaul AT VERIZON.NET> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:33:43 -0400 Like others, I've found that bicycle spokes, available from any bike shop, work fine for all but 0A passerine bands, and with the screw-on ends, there's no need for corks or rubber stoppers that might come off in a banding kit. For hummingbird bands I make a safety-pin holder from thin-gauge brass craft rods, and for raptor bands I do the same using metal coat hangers. (Scavenger, thy name is bander...) Scott Weidensaul Schuylkill Haven, PA >I too have done what Dave describes and you can get the "safety pin" >devices from a knitting or craft store. If you don't have a readily >available source of corks, you can get rubber tips for the knitting >needles which is what I used. They are designed to be used many times and >would most likely hold up a little better than the corks. > >Cheers, >Kathy > >M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist >USGS Patuxent WRC BBL >12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 >Laurel MD 20708-4037 >301-497-5795 work >Fax 301-497-5717 >KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov >Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! >http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl > > > > > >"David A. Merker" >Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum >06/05/2008 10:50 AM >Please respond to >"David A. Merker" > > >To >BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU >cc > >Subject >Re: [BIRDBAND] Use of knitting needles to hold bands > > > > > > >Hi Sue > >What device do you use to keep the bands from sliding off the needles. >Wine cork? Got lots of those :o) For my song bird bands I've been using >needles that resemble large safety pins, not sure what they are called in >the knitting world, but you can open and close them easily. For my hawk >bands I replicated them out of wire cloth hangers. All the bands are >closed. > >David Merker >Human Resources >Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center >603-653-0435 > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web >site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm > > >subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Use of knitting needles to hold bands From: Sue Finnegan <suefinnegan AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:23:07 +0000 I have used cork in the past for the ends of the needles, but I don't have much of a problem with bands sliding off if you use the correct knitting needle size. I like to have the bands pre-opened as it is so much easier when there are many birds. We have a wooden block velcroed to our banding table for the needles with the bands we are currently using. We drilled holes in the block using the correct size drill bit to match the knitting needle size and each hole is labeled 0A - 3A. That way we can grab the needle quickly and it keeps them organized. Sue -- Sue Finnegan Wing Island Banding Station Cape Cod Museum of Natural History Brewster, MA 02631 www.wingisland.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Use of knitting needles to hold bands From: Kay Loughman <kayloughman AT EARTHLINK.NET> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 08:19:20 -0700 At a knitting supply store, ask for a "stitch holder." I used to own one (for knitting!) - about 5" long, attached at one end to a stretchy cable which had a cap at the other end. After putting your bands onto the stitch holder, you stretch the cable just enough to fit its cap onto the "needle." No need for corks. Sounds like a very clever idea for holding bands. Kay Loughman Berkeley, CA Kathy Klimkiewicz wrote: > I too have done what Dave describes and you can get the "safety pin" > devices from a knitting or craft store. subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Use of knitting needles to hold bands From: Kathy Klimkiewicz <kklimkiewicz AT USGS.GOV> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 11:03:59 -0400 I too have done what Dave describes and you can get the "safety pin" devices from a knitting or craft store. If you don't have a readily available source of corks, you can get rubber tips for the knitting needles which is what I used. They are designed to be used many times and would most likely hold up a little better than the corks. Cheers, Kathy M. Kathleen Klimkiewicz, Biologist USGS Patuxent WRC BBL 12100 Beech Forest RD STE 4037 Laurel MD 20708-4037 301-497-5795 work Fax 301-497-5717 KKlimkiewicz AT usgs.gov Report bands: reportband.gov and get instant feedback! http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/bbl "David A. Merker" Sent by: Bird Bander's Forum 06/05/2008 10:50 AM Please respond to "David A. Merker" To BIRDBAND AT LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU cc Subject Re: [BIRDBAND] Use of knitting needles to hold bands Hi Sue What device do you use to keep the bands from sliding off the needles. Wine cork? Got lots of those :o) For my song bird bands I've been using needles that resemble large safety pins, not sure what they are called in the knitting world, but you can open and close them easily. For my hawk bands I replicated them out of wire cloth hangers. All the bands are closed. David Merker Human Resources Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center 603-653-0435 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Use of knitting needles to hold bands From: "David A. Merker" <David.A.Merker AT HITCHCOCK.ORG> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:50:51 -0400 Hi Sue What device do you use to keep the bands from sliding off the needles. Wine cork? Got lots of those :o) For my song bird bands I've been using needles that resemble large safety pins, not sure what they are called in the knitting world, but you can open and close them easily. For my hawk bands I replicated them out of wire cloth hangers. All the bands are closed. David Merker Human Resources Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center 603-653-0435 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Re: Use of knitting needles to hold bands From: Sue Finnegan <suefinnegan AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:00:00 +0000 We use knitting needles at our station. I feel it saves time when we are really busy. The drawback is you have to prepare them ahead of time, obviously, but it is something we do when watching TV or have some down time when banding. I use the MacDonald pliers to open the bands but use the BTO pliers for banding, which I think are great, and the bands go on the birds fine. Here is the list of sizes: Band Size- Knitting needle size 0A- 2 0- 3 1- 3 1B- 4 1A- 6 2- 9 3- 10 3A- 10.5 I find a string of 100 fits on 2 long knitting needles, but you'll need 3 for the short needles. Don't forget if you are going to only use part of a string to put them on backwards! :>) -- Sue Finnegan Wing Island Banding Station Cape Cod Museum of Natural History Brewster, MA 02631 www.wingisland.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Use of knitting needles to hold bands From: Andrea Wuenschel <chyroptera AT YAHOO.COM> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:21:29 -0700 Does anyone have experience opening their aluminum bands ahead of time and storing them on knitting needles? If so, what size needles do you recommend for different bands? (This is for passerine banding, band size 0A through size 2.) Also, what are the drawbacks you have found to this system? Thanks, Andrea Wuenschel chyroptera AT yahoo.com Seattle, WA subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: FW: inquiry regarding banding permits/mist net purchase and use From: "Ingold, James" <James.Ingold AT LSUS.EDU> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:16:45 -0500 Is there any one in Mississippi or possibly Alabama that might be interested taking on Dr. Mack as a subpermitee? If so contact him directly at: pmack AT as.muw.edu Jim Ingold LSU-Shreveport -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mack [mailto:pmack AT as.muw.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 12:01 PM To: Ingold, James Subject: inquiry regarding banding permits/mist net purchase and use Hi, Dr. Ingold: I left a message on your voicemail about obtaining mist nets for research and course use yesterday (Monday, 6/2) but thought it might be better to also send you an email. My basic problem is this: I have an interest in being able to capture and band birds (details below) and have had a fair bit of experience setting up, maintaining, and using mist nets (and some banding experience under the permit of another bander). But I do not currently have either state or federal banding permits. Being naive, I attempted to spend some last minute departmental funds this past week towards the purchase of mist nets and found that suppliers (Avinet, specifically) would not ship nets without my being able to produce permits. In the process of trying to educate myself on the issues involved, I was given your name as the person to contact in my region. I am hoping that you can advise me on my chances of successfully obtaining permits and, assuming those chances are reasonable, point me in the right direction. Reasons I am interested in obtaining permits and nets: I have undergraduates conducting bird-oriented field studies which may eventually benefit from being able to capture and band birds and I also teach a field course for which I would like to develop a component that involves exposing students to netting and banding birds. Finally, the state ornithologist for Mississippi, Nick Winstead, encouraged me to pursue obtaining permits when I proposed establishing a banding station in my area of the state. I have also contacted the USFWS who sent back detailed instructions on the federal permitting process and requirements. Although my recent research has been on the genetics of intersexual conflict in Drosophila, my roots are in field biology. I worked as a field biologist for about 5 years in CA and AZ and subsequently got an MS in Wildlife Ecology at UC Davis in 1983 before veering off into teaching high school prior to getting the chance to get my PhD at the University of Georgia. My 2 years of banding experience were in NY while I was teaching high school. I worked with George Rowsom, a bander on the east end of Long Island who continues to band in that area still. And, for what it's worth, I have been a pretty active birder for the past 30+ years as well. So, though somewhat naive about how this game works (of getting one's hands on mist nets), I am not a total novice. I apologize in advance for the lengthy email - I hate to send too little information but I am afraid that sometimes that fear leads to sending too much. And I appreciate very much your time and any help you can provide. Sincerely, Paul Mack Paul Mack, Ph.D Assistant Professor of Biology Department of Sciences and Mathematics Mississippi University for Women 1100 College Street, MUW-100 Columbus, MS 39701 662-329-4987 subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Net Projection Tool From: Todd Eskelin <t.eskelin AT ACSALASKA.NET> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 07:53:02 -0800 I am looking for any info on possible sources of net guns sufficient to capture waterfowl. I have used the Coda brand which utilizes a .308 cartridge and while effective, the grad student working on the project may struggle with the weight of the tool and the kick to a certain degree. Any info on other possibilities would be greatly appreciated. Todd Eskelin Kenai NWR subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: legs sickness From: Manuel Grosselet <birdinnet AT YAHOO.COM.MX> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 10:56:10 -0500 Hi All I get regularly this kind of legs in my station, Oaxaca Mexico.. Somebody know about that... All the best. Manuel www.tierradeaves.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Deportes Beta ¡No te pierdas lo último sobre el torneo clausura 2008! Entérate aquí http://deportes.yahoo.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Banded Caspian Tern From: Charles Collins <ccollins AT CSULB.EDU> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 14:43:05 -0700 Caspian Terns have colonized a new site in the Port of Los Angeles. There are about 12 or so banded birds in the group of ca. 200 nests. One that I read last friday (30 May 2008) was not one that was banded locally. It has been turned in (on the web) to the BBL and I got the information that it was banded in July 1999 in California. The full details have not come yet. Anyone want to claim it? Six others were banded locally in So. Calif inc. three which are 14, 15, and 16 years old. Band No. 775-95653 banded in Calif. on 7/22/1999. Charlie Collins ccollins AT csulb.edu subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: New banding photos From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:13:52 -0500 Check out the new banding photos from this weekend at http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Appley Valley, MN www.ncbo.org --- This mailing list is sponsored by the Minnesota Ornithologists' Union. Mailing list membership available on-line at http://moumn.org/subscribe.html. ----- To unsubscribe send a blank email to mou-net-request AT moumn.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Subject: New banding photos From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:13:52 -0500 Check out the new banding photos from this weekend at http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Appley Valley, MN www.ncbo.org subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: New banding photos From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 21:13:52 -0500 Check out the new banding photos from this weekend at http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com Roger Everhart Appley Valley, MN www.ncbo.org _______________________________________________ mnbird mailing list mnbird AT lists.mnbird.net http://lists.mnbird.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mnbird Subject: Ringing Programme of Migratory Passerines in Doñana. A utumn 2008 From: José Luis Arroyo <jlam-1 AT TELELINE.ES> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 01:14:53 +0200 XV Ringing Programme of Migratory Passerines in Doñana. Autumn 2008 Equipo de Seguimiento de Procesos Naturales Estación Biológica de Doñana (CSIC) Dear friends, One more year, the Monitoring Team of Natural Processes belonging to the Biological Station of Doñana (CSIC) organises the ringing programme of passerines during the postnuptial migration in the Ringing Station of Manecorro (National Park of Doñana, South-west Spain). The campaign comes developing every autumn from 1994 and has a duration of 9 weeks (from September 1 at November 7). So far some 54.000 birds have been captured of 106 different species, being the mean for campaign up to 3.800 birds. The most abundant species trapped are: Blackcap (Sylvia atricapilla), Common Chiffchaff (Phylloscopus collybita), Pied Flycatcher (Ficedula hypoleuca), Garden Warbler (S. borin), Robin (Erithacus rubecula), Willow Warbler (P. trochilus) and Reed Warbler (Acrocephalus scirpaceus). A special attention is lent to the Iberian Chiffchaff (P. ibericus), on which we are working in its identification in hand to split it from Common Chiffchaff, as well as its phenologic pattern in the Doñana area. More than 500 iberians have been trapped in the last years in the programme. Some species that have also been captured are considered as rare birds in Spain such as Dusky Warbler (P. fuscatus), Yellow-browed Warbler (P. inornatus), Red-breasted Flycatcher (Ficedula parva), Collared Flycatcher (F. albicollis) and Common Rosefinch (Carpodacus erythrinus). To carry out the ringing programme the collaboration of expert ringers is requested, as well as people that has some experience in scientific ringing and want to participate as assistant. Lodging for the collaborators of this campaign will be facilitated in El Rocío village, distant only 1 Km. of the ringing station. Daily ringings run on from dawn until the setting of sun in a marshy place. Information of the Ringing Programme and application to participate in http://www-rbd.ebd.csic.es/Seguimiento/mediobiologico/paseriformes/indice.htm People interested in participating in this ringing programme can contact us in the following address: José Luis Arroyo Matos Coordinator of the Ringing Programme Equipo de Seguimiento de Procesos Naturales Estación Biológica de Doñana. CSIC CIECEM. Parque Dunar CP 21760 Matalascañas. Almonte. Huelva. Spain Tel.: + 34 959 449830 e-mail: joseluis AT ebd.csic.es jlam-1 AT teleline.es (Apologies for any double posting) subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Question regarding molt From: "Derek J. Matthews" <Derek.J.Matthews AT SPECTRUM-CANADA.COM> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:13:35 -0700 Hi Guys, Can any of you answer a question for me regarding complete adult prebasic molt in passerines? I know the sequence of flight feather (and pp cov) replacement but when do the lesser, median and gr covs molt - is it before or during the molt of the flight feathers? and same with the body feathers - presumably body molt takes place during flight feather replacement but I'm not absolutely certain. Can any of you enlightened molt experts let me know! Cheers. Derek - Vancouver, BC, Canada _____ Derek J. Matthews Master Bander Burnaby Lake Avian Research Centre Tel: (604) 218-1191 Fax: (604) 684-0308 Email: Derek AT birdvancouver.com Website: http://www.birdvancouver.com subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Hilton Pond 05/15/08 (Seven Bird Notes) From: Research at Hilton Pond <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 08:07:33 -0400 "This Week at Hilton Pond" our photo essay encompasses "seven bird notes," complete with text and photos about: --A rare polydactylous Mourning Dove --Documented scarcity of Ruby-throated Hummingbirds --Deterring Raccoons from hummer feeders --A melodious Wood Thrush --A "calico" Summer Tanager --South African birder Ian Sinclair --Faithful Eastern Phoebes and their nest To view the installment for 15-21 May 2008, please visit http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek080515.html As always we include a tally of all birds banded or recaptured during the period, as well as a couple of short notes about hummingbirds at Mountain Lake, Virginia. Happy Nature Watching! BILL -- RESEARCH PROGRAM c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History 1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA research AT hiltonpond.org, (803) 684-5852, eFax: (503) 218-0845 Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net): Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org ********** subscription options and posting rules can be found at the BirdBand web site: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6549/birdband.htm Subject: Metro Beach (Michigan) Banding Report - May 19 & 21, 2008 From: "Allen T. Chartier" <amazilia1 AT COMCAST.NET> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 22:45:40 -0400 Hello everyone, It seems the migrants finally decided to come in this week, and both days were great with a total of 167 new birds banded in the two days combined. There was an odd influx of what is normally considered early warblers with lots of new Yellow Warblers both days and Nashville, Black-and-white, and Black-throated Green Warblers on Wednesday. There was a great diversity of new warblers on Wednesday, with Magnolia definitely the most common. Most birds on both days had a lot of fat, suggesting that they hadn't come far overnight before stopping at Metro Beach. There was also clearly an influx of thrushes (especially Veeries) on Wednesday and a minor influx of flycatchers both days. The 39 species captured on Wednesday was a record and included 15 warbler species, with both early and late species represented. The Yellow-rumped and Palm Warblers were a little on the late side as was the Ruby-crowned Kinglet, White-throated Sparrows, and White-crowned Sparrow. Banding highlights of Monday, May 19, included 5 Ruby-throated Hummingbirds plus 1 recaptured that was banded last fall (August) at this locale, a first returnee for Metro Beach. Other banding highlights included the first "Traill's" Flycatcher of the season, two Northern Rough-winged Swallows, and two Barn Swallows. Highlights of birds observed but not banded included Sora, Least Flycatcher, Cliff Swallow, Marsh Wren, Magnolia, Blackburnian, Bay-breasted, Wilson's, and Canada Warblers. Banding highlights of Wednesday, May 21, included three more Ruby-throated Hummingbirds and that same returning female again (with an egg developing in her oviduct), the first Least Flycatchers of the season, another "Traill's" Flycatcher, single Northern Rough-winged and Barn Swallows (it's been an amazing year for banding swallows), a late Ruby-crowned Kinglet, 6 Veeries (great number), an Orange-crowned Warbler, late Yellow-rumped and Palm Warblers, the first Mourning and Wilson's Warblers of the season, and somewhat late White-throated and White-crowned Sparrows. Highlights of birds observed but not banded included a Virginia Rail heard briefly in the marsh, Northern Waterthrush, Tennessee, Bay-breasted, Canada, and Black-throated Blue Warblers, and a Prothonotary Warbler heard once and glimpsed briefly near one of the nets. Thank you to all the volunteers who made banding possible on these two days, everyone worked especially hard on these two busy days: John Bieganowski, Russ Brown, Chris Goulart, Frank Lautner, and Joan Tisdale. Banding Data: MONDAY, MAY 19, 2008 Sunrise (E.S.T.): 5:07 Time Open (E.S.T.): 6:00 Time Closed (E.S.T.): 13:30 Hours Open: 7.50 No. of Nets: 4.75-13.00 Net Hours: 92.063 Temperature (F): 39-64 Sky: 10-80% cloud cover Wind: WSW-NW AT 5-10 mph Barometer: 29.71 - 29.71 Precipitation: None No. Banded: 57 (plus 32 recaptured and 3 released unbanded) No. of Species: 23 Capture Rate: 99.9 birds per 100 net hours Assistants: John Bieganowski, Chris Goulart, Frank Lautner Ruby-throated Hummingbird - 5 (plus 1 recaptured and 1 released unbanded) Downy Woodpecker - 1 Northern Flicker - 1 (plus 1 recaptured) "Traill's" (Willow/Alder) Flycatcher - 1 Northern Rough-winged Swallow - 2 Barn Swallow - 2 [Black-capped Chickadee - 1 recaptured] House Wren - 2 (plus 2 recaptured) American Robin - 3 (plus 5 recaptured and 1 released unbanded) Yellow Warbler - 12 (plus 10 recaptured) Chestnut-sided Warbler - 1 Black-throated Blue Warbler - 2 American Redstart - 1 Northern Waterthrush - 2 (plus 1 recaptured) Common Yellowthroat - 6 (plus 4 recaptured) Song Sparrow - 1 (plus 3 recaptured and 1 released unbanded) Lincoln's Sparrow - 1 Swamp Sparrow - 2 (plus 2 recaptured) Northern Cardinal - 1 Red-winged Blackbird - 3 Common Grackle - 3 Baltimore Oriole - 2 (plus 2 recaptured) American Goldfinch - 3 WEDNESDAY, MAY 21, 2008 Sunrise (E.S.T.): 5:05 Time Open (E.S.T.): 05:45 Time Closed (E.S.T.): 14:15 Hours Open: 8.50 No. of Nets: 4.75 - 13.00 Net Hours: 106.188 Temperature (F): 44-59 Sky: 100-50-100% cloud cover Wind: NW AT 1-3-10 mph Barometer: 29.64 - 29.65 Precipitation: None No. Banded: 110 (plus 25 recaptured and 6 released unbanded) No. of Species: 39 Capture Rate: 132.8 birds per 100 net hours Assistants: Russ Brown, Joan Tisdale Ruby-throated Hummingbird - 3 (plus 1 recaptured) [Downy Woodpecker - 2 recaptured] "Traill's" (Willow/Alder) Flycatcher - 1 Least Flycatcher - 2 Warbling Vireo - 2 [Tree Swallow - 1 recaptured] Northern Rough-winged Swallow - 1 Barn Swallow - 1 House Wren - 1 Ruby-crowned Kinglet - 1 Veery - 6 Swainson's Thrush - 4 American Robin - 1 (plus 2 recaptured and 2 released unbanded) Gray Catbird - 4 Orange-crowned Warbler - 1 Nashville Warbler - 5 Yellow Warbler - 10 (plus 9 recaptured) Chestnut-sided Warbler - 2 Magnolia Warbler - 14 Yellow-rumped Warbler - 1 Black-throated Gtreen Warbler - 2 Blackburnian Warbler - 2 Palm Warbler - 1 Black-and-white Warbler - 2 (haven't caught a male yet this spring) American Redstart - 2 Ovenbird - 6 Mourning Warbler - 1 Common Yellowthroat - 7 (plus 3 recaptured and 2 released unbanded) Wilson's Warbler - 4 [Song Sparrow - 1 recaptured] Lincoln's Sparrow - 8 (plus 1 released unbanded) Swamp Sparrow - 2 (plus 1 recaptured) White-throated Sparrow - 2 (plus 1 released unbanded) White-crowned Sparrow - 1 Red-winged Blackbird - 3 (now a record year) Common Grackle - 3 [Brown-headed Cowbird - 1 recaptured] Baltimore Oriole - 3 (plus 1 recaptured) American Goldfinch - 1 (plus 3 recaptured) Allen Chartier amazilia1 AT comcast.net 1442 West River Park Drive Inkster, MI 48141 Website: http://www.amazilia.net Michigan HummerNet: http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet =============================================== Every day, the hummingbird eats its own weight in food. 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