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Great Hornbills,©Jan Wilczur

20 Nov Mystery Duck Revisited (photo) ["B.G. Sloan" ]
19 Nov Thanks for all the Vegas info! [ ]
18 Nov Ruby-throats In Guanacaste, Costa Rica ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ]
15 Nov BirdNote, last week & the week of Nov. 16, 2014 + a new photo blog [Ellen Blackstone ]
15 Nov Re: birding near Las Vegas? [Joseph Morlan ]
15 Nov birding near Las Vegas? [ ]
15 Nov Become a Bird Song Hero [Devorah the Ornithologist ]
8 Nov BirdNote, last week and the week of Nov. 9, 2014 [Ellen Blackstone ]
8 Nov beauty pageants for chickens [Devorah the Ornithologist ]
7 Nov Hilton Pond 10/01/14 (White Hummingbirds) ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ]
6 Nov Re: [EXTERNAL] [BIRDCHAT] Bird of prey poisoner sentenced in UK [Stephen Elliott ]
6 Nov Re: [EXTERNAL] [BIRDCHAT] Bird of prey poisoner sentenced in UK ["Gorton, Gregg" ]
6 Nov Bird of prey poisoner sentenced in UK ["Barry K. MacKay" ]
6 Nov John Penhallurick 1946 - 2014 [Phil Davis ]
4 Nov Duck ID? (photo) ["B.G. Sloan" ]
4 Nov Olive-backed Pipit in Yorba Linda California [Steve Sosensky ]
4 Nov some gorgeous close-up photos of wild birds [Devorah the Ornithologist ]
3 Nov RFI Birding Buenos Aires [Joseph Morlan ]
3 Nov Re: Merlin vs. Shorebirds - survival tactic [Virginia Nufer ]
3 Nov Cartagena [Dr Ronald Orenstein ]
1 Nov BirdNote, last week and the week of Nov. 2, 2014 [Ellen Blackstone ]
1 Nov Re: Merlin vs. Shorebirds - survival tactic []
1 Nov Whooooo said that? The distinct voices of owls [Devorah the Ornithologist ]
31 Oct Merlin vs. Shorebirds - survival tactic [Chuck Sexton ]
30 Oct Re: cr: (1) [L Larson ]
30 Oct cr: (1) []
30 Oct Interesting sparrow profile photo... ["B.G. Sloan" ]
29 Oct Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation ["Gorton, Gregg" ]
29 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation [Jerry Blinn ]
28 Oct Birding guide--Santiago, Chile [Gary Nunn ]
28 Oct cheap binocs [D & Y Bree ]
28 Oct A book about passenger pigeons [Devorah the Ornithologist ]
28 Oct Re: Budget binoculars [David Gascoigne ]
28 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation []
28 Oct Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation []
28 Oct Re: Budget binoculars [Jack Stephens ]
28 Oct Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation ["Gorton, Gregg" ]
28 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation [Phil Davis ]
27 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation [Rick King ]
27 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation [Sandra Savage ]
27 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation ["Gregory J. Harber" ]
27 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation [Chip Clouse ]
28 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation [ ]
28 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation [Elizabeth Dodd ]
27 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation []
27 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation [Jim Hully ]
28 Oct Re: budget binocular recommendation ["Tangren, Gerald Vernon" ]
27 Oct budget binocular recommendation [ ]
27 Oct The beauty of common birds (photo) ["B.G. Sloan" ]
27 Oct some hope for birds after all? [Devorah the Ornithologist ]
27 Oct a fun suggestion from the Cornell Lab of O [Devorah the Ornithologist ]
25 Oct BirdNote, last week and the week of Oct. 26, 2014 [Ellen Blackstone ]
25 Oct sharing breakfast with a hummingbird [Devorah the Ornithologist ]
25 Oct Re: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain [Dr Ronald Orenstein ]
23 Oct Re: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain [Joseph Morlan ]
23 Oct Re: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain ["Barry K. MacKay" ]
23 Oct Re: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain [dmark ]
23 Oct Re: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain ["Barry K. MacKay" ]
23 Oct California - Arizona Trip Report [Dave DeReamus ]
22 Oct Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain [MM ]
22 Oct Hummingbirds in Costa Rica: An Opportunity ["Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" ]
20 Oct Birding near Athens, Greece? []
20 Oct the most unusual fishing partner anyone has ever had [Devorah the Ornithologist ]
19 Oct Last Week's Banding ["R.D. Everhart" ]
19 Oct Re: SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem [William Leigh ]
19 Oct Caw vs. Kraa: meaning in the calls of crows and ravens [Devorah the Ornithologist ]
18 Oct BirdNote, last week and the week of Oct. 19, 2014 [Ellen Blackstone ]
18 Oct Interesting Radar from last night ["R.D. Everhart" ]
18 Oct RFI New York City area [Eran Tomer ]
16 Oct Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem ["Gorton, Gregg" ]
16 Oct Re: SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem [Allan and Cathy Murrant ]
16 Oct The sound of many ducks dabbling (30 second video/sound recording) ["B.G. Sloan" ]
8 Oct Front Stopping Migrants ["R.D. Everhart" ]
16 Oct Birding Community E-bulletin - October 2014 [Barbara Volkle and Steve Moore ]
16 Oct Re: SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem [Allan and Cathy Murrant ]
16 Oct SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem [kittiwake ]

Subject: Mystery Duck Revisited (photo)
From: "B.G. Sloan" <bgsloan3 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:22:04 -0500
A couple of weeks ago I posted a link to a Flickr photo to the BIRDCHAT and
JERSEYBI e-mail lists. I also sent the photo directly to several birders (a
link to the photo is at the bottom of this e-mail). The photo was of a duck
that I wasn’t quite sure about. When I first saw it in the field I thought
“odd Mallard”. When I got home and looked at the photo I thought possibly a
Gadwall? Anyway, my Flickr photo has almost 400 views now. The dozen or so
responses I received represented a mixed bag of IDs. Just curious if anyone
else might like to chime in? Here’s a summary of the responses:


* Two people thought it was a female Black Duck.


* Four people opted for Gadwall, with two of these folks being more
specific: “male Gadwall still in non-breeding plumage” and “juvenile male
Gadwall”.


* Two people said Mallard, with one of them saying “Apart from the bill
color, this one looks fairly normal by mallard standards.”


* Finally, three people thought it was a hybrid, with two agreeing on the
term “mutt” and one saying: "I'd lean towards Gadwall as the primary
parentage, but there could be a bit of something else in there...”


Here the link to the photo:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/14463444 AT N07/15709943911/


Thanks!


Bernie Sloan

Highland Park, NJ

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Subject: Thanks for all the Vegas info!
From: "Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E" <katahdinss AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:30:12 +0000
Hi Chatters,

Many, many thanks for all the great La Vegas birding info! It certainly looks 
as if Vegas is at the hub of a lot of good birding sites, many of which we will 
definitely try to visit next spring. Since it has been years since we have seen 
most of these species, we are pretty excited about the trip. 


However, more immediately, my husband and I leave Saturday for almost a month 
away, first in Sri Lanka and then, on a ship seabirding in the Indian Ocean 
with stops in the Seychelles and Mauritius. I will give a run-down of this 
adventure when we get back in late December (just in time for Christmas!) 


I will turn off BirdChat while we are gone as we will have limited internet 
access... 


Again, thanks!

Gail Mackiernan
Silver Spring, MD



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Subject: Ruby-throats In Guanacaste, Costa Rica
From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 12:26:04 -0500
Ever wonder where “our" Ruby-throated Hummingbirds go specifically when the 
weather turns cold? Nobody knows for sure, so here’s a chance to possibly 
solve that mystery once and for all. 


Time is running out to join our upcoming Operation RubyThroat hummingbird 
expedition to Guanacaste Province on the Pacific Coast of Costa Rica, where my 
next group of citizen scientists will be enjoying warm, sunny weather while 
observing and photographing all sorts of exotic Neotropical plants and animals. 
Dates are 24 Jan-1 Feb 2015. Sign up today; you'll be very glad you did. 


See the detailed itinerary at 
http://www.hiltonpond.org/CostaRica(west)AnnounceMain15.html 


My report on our just-completed record-breaking trip to the Orosi Valley on 
Costa Rica's Caribbean slope will be posted soon. 


Happy (Neotropical) Birding!

BILL

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Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
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Subject: BirdNote, last week & the week of Nov. 16, 2014 + a new photo blog
From: Ellen Blackstone <ellen AT 123IMAGINE.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 09:17:49 -0800
Hello, BirdChat,

When a Common Raven landed on snow near photographer Gregg Thompson, the
results were stunning. See for yourself: http://bit.ly/1q3ZEZz
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Last week, BirdNote aired:
* Alex Chadwick in Big Bend - Banding Hummingbirds
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* Downy and Hairy Woodpeckers
http://bit.ly/1zr40tS
* Alex Chadwick in Big Bend - The Roadrunner
http://bit.ly/1H1sbE6
* Why Bird Poop Is White
http://bit.ly/RWDIsD
* Swans Come Calling
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* One Feisty Female Cardinal
http://bit.ly/Pryqtw
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Subject: Re: birding near Las Vegas?
From: Joseph Morlan <jmorlan AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 08:53:00 -0800
The best place for water birds close to Las Vegas is probably the Henderson
Sewer Ponds:

http://www.birdandhike.com/Bird/Urban_LV/Henderson/_Henderson.htm

Excellent for Land Birds is Corn Creek:

http://www.aba.org/wingingit/issues/wi_v17n5.pdf (ABA "Winging It" login
needed)

Here are some additional sites from the 2007 Western Field Ornithologists
conference:


http://www.westernfieldornithologists.org/docs/2007/WFO2007ConferenceFieldTrips-revised.pdf 


Here is a bird list from the conference:

http://www.westernfieldornithologists.org/docs/2007/LV%20conf%20birdlist.pdf



On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:19:55 +0000, "Gail B. Mackiernan
%3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"  wrote:

>HI all,
>
>We have an opportunity to go to Las Vegas for a few days and not being really 
into the casino scene, thought about using it as a base for some desert 
birding. I was out a few years ago for a meeting and had quite a few desert 
species just in the area around our hotel (e.g. Verdin). 

>
>Question is: best time to go and any really good sites within a couple hours' 
drive? 

>
>Thanks,
>Gail Mackiernan
>Silver Spring, MD
>
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Subject: birding near Las Vegas?
From: "Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E" <katahdinss AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:19:55 +0000
HI all,

We have an opportunity to go to Las Vegas for a few days and not being really 
into the casino scene, thought about using it as a base for some desert 
birding. I was out a few years ago for a meeting and had quite a few desert 
species just in the area around our hotel (e.g. Verdin). 


Question is: best time to go and any really good sites within a couple hours' 
drive? 


Thanks,
Gail Mackiernan
Silver Spring, MD

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Subject: Become a Bird Song Hero
From: Devorah the Ornithologist <birdologist AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:24:15 +0000
hello everyone,

I've been playing a fun online game, Bird Song Hero. This game, created by
Cornell's Lab of O, features 50 common songbirds, their songs and
sonograms. It's an online quiz that provides audio and visual cues to help
people learn birdsongs by teaching you how to accurately guess which
sonogram belongs to which songbird. Although being a birder helps, you
don't have to be a bird lover to enjoy this engaging game. learn more about
it:

short URL:

gu.com/p/43bh3

or long URL, if that's your thang:


http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2014/nov/15/become-a-bird-song-hero 


please do share this with your friends!

enjoy,

--
GrrlScientist
Devorah Bennu, PhD
birdologist AT gmail.com
http://twitter.com/GrrlScientist
http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist

*sunt lacrimae rerum et mentem mortalia tangunt. [*Virgil, *Aeneid*, 1.461
ff.]

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Subject: BirdNote, last week and the week of Nov. 9, 2014
From: Ellen Blackstone <ellen AT 123IMAGINE.NET>
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 08:26:50 -0800
Hello, BirdChat,

Check out the latest photo blog - Mandarin Ducks! http://bit.ly/1uKEIYD
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* Birds in The Winter Garden
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* The Return of Snowbird - The Dark-eyed Junco
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* Common Mergansers - Pushed South by Ice

http://bit.ly/1tU1EU8

* Birds Winter at the Salton Sea
http://bit.ly/TGTise

* As the Crow Flies - Huh?
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* Is It the Same Robin?
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* The Oystercatcher's World
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Subject: beauty pageants for chickens
From: Devorah the Ornithologist <birdologist AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 11:01:58 +0000
hello everyone,

i ran across a truly beautiful video about .... beauty pageants for
chickens in malaysia. but these aren't just any chickens, these are the
world's smallest chicken breed, ayam serama, that originated in the
malaysian state of kelantan. they are kept and bred purely for ornamental
reasons and are geven the opportunty to strut their stuff every weekend at
local beauty pageants.

tiny URL

http://gu.com/p/4369t/stw

long URL


http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2014/nov/08/chicken-beauty-pageants-for-cockerels 


after watching this video and researching the piece, i admit that i want to
get some ayam seramas and raise them myself!

three clucks for tiny chickens,

--
GrrlScientist
Devorah Bennu, PhD
birdologist AT gmail.com
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http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist

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Subject: Hilton Pond 10/01/14 (White Hummingbirds)
From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 14:41:16 -0600
Now that feathered, free-flying Ruby-throated Hummingbirds have all departed 
Hilton Pond Center for points south, I couldn't resist one more "This Week at 
Hilton Pond" installment about hummers. None of the birds in my current photo 
essay were actually seen at the Center, but all are white--either albinos, 
leucistos, or pieds. To view this year's eye-popping collection of white 
hummingbird photos sent by Web visitors in 2014, please see 
http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek141001.html 


While there don’t forget to scroll down for a list of all birds banded or 
recaptured at the Center, plus some miscellaneous nature notes. 


Happy (Fall) Nature Watching!

BILL 

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office & cell (803) 684-5852

The mission of Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History is "to conserve 
plants, animals, habitats, and other natural components of the Piedmont Region 
of the eastern United States through observation, scientific study, and 
education for students of all ages. 


"Never trust a person too lazy to get up for sunrise or too busy to watch the 
sunset." BHjr. 


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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [BIRDCHAT] Bird of prey poisoner sentenced in UK
From: Stephen Elliott <steve_elliott2000 AT HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:32:16 +0000
This problem or raptor persecution is endemic amongst the lowland estates and 
upland grouse moors in the UK. People can pay up to $3000 for a day shooting so 
the keepers want to maximise bags by keeping all predators out. On the moors 
there are plenty of cage and tunnel traps set to catch stoats and rats etc, 
these are all legally set but amongst the wilds of the moors other illegal 
traps are set and poisoned carcases laid out which are seldom if ever found. 
Hen harriers are persecuted out of England and Scotland, and only one pair 
nested in England this year. 

 
The courts are limited by the penalties they can give, so the punishments must 
be tougher and the estate owners themselves must also be punished. If they are 
to be faced with jail then they will ensure that the keepers behave within the 
law. Unfortunately too many of the law makers in the past have been shooters 
themselves. 



Regards
 
Steve 
 
<") 
   ( \
   / |`` 

 
> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:36:12 -0500
> From: Gregg.Gorton AT VA.GOV
> Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] [EXTERNAL] [BIRDCHAT] Bird of prey poisoner sentenced 
in UK 

> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> 
> Barry, and all,
> 
> I hope there will come a day when crimes against Nature bear the same 
consequences as crimes against humanity. As is now known--but still not widely 
appreciated enough, as you suggest---all life on this planet is inextricably 
intertwined.... 

> 
> One of my mentors, a psychiatrist, argued more than 20 years ago (in a 
pioneering volume on Ecopsychology) that dysfunctional/maladaptive behaviors 
toward "Nature" should be included in criteria for diagnosing mental illness. 
This chap might well serve as an example... But, whether or not that is the 
case, the crime is too grave for there to be no real consequence... 

> 
> Gregg
> 
> 
> Gregg Gorton, MD
> Narberth, PA 19072
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line) 
[mailto:BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Barry K. MacKay 

> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 12:27 PM
> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [BIRDCHAT] Bird of prey poisoner sentenced in UK
> 
> 
> 
> FYI:
> 
> Bird of prey poisoner sentenced http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29931463
> 
> Reading this story and seeing the picture, I dont know what upset me 
morethe plight of the birds, or the leniency of the sentencing. Amazing when 
you consider how widespread and popular birding is in the U.K., and how strong 
the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. 

> 
> Barry
> 
> 
> 
> Barry Kent MacKay
> 
> Bird Artist, Illustrator
> 
> Studio: (905)-472-9731
> 
> http://www.barrykentmackay.ca
> mimus AT sympatico.ca
> 
> Markham, Ontario, Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [BIRDCHAT] Bird of prey poisoner sentenced in UK
From: "Gorton, Gregg" <Gregg.Gorton AT VA.GOV>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 13:36:12 -0500
Barry, and all,

I hope there will come a day when crimes against Nature bear the same 
consequences as crimes against humanity. As is now known--but still not widely 
appreciated enough, as you suggest---all life on this planet is inextricably 
intertwined.... 


One of my mentors, a psychiatrist, argued more than 20 years ago (in a 
pioneering volume on Ecopsychology) that dysfunctional/maladaptive behaviors 
toward "Nature" should be included in criteria for diagnosing mental illness. 
This chap might well serve as an example... But, whether or not that is the 
case, the crime is too grave for there to be no real consequence... 


Gregg


Gregg Gorton, MD
Narberth, PA 19072

-----Original Message-----
From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line) 
[mailto:BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Barry K. MacKay 

Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 12:27 PM
To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [BIRDCHAT] Bird of prey poisoner sentenced in UK



FYI:

Bird of prey poisoner sentenced http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29931463

Reading this story and seeing the picture, I don’t know what upset me 
more…the plight of the birds, or the leniency of the sentencing. Amazing when 
you consider how widespread and popular birding is in the U.K., and how strong 
the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. 


Barry



Barry Kent MacKay

Bird Artist, Illustrator

Studio: (905)-472-9731

http://www.barrykentmackay.ca
mimus AT sympatico.ca

Markham, Ontario, Canada






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Subject: Bird of prey poisoner sentenced in UK
From: "Barry K. MacKay" <mimus AT SYMPATICO.CA>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 12:27:17 -0500
 

FYI:

Bird of prey poisoner sentenced http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29931463

Reading this story and seeing the picture, I don’t know what upset me 
more…the plight of the birds, or the leniency of the sentencing. Amazing when 
you consider how widespread and popular birding is in the U.K., and how strong 
the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. 


Barry

 

Barry Kent MacKay

Bird Artist, Illustrator

Studio: (905)-472-9731

http://www.barrykentmackay.ca
mimus AT sympatico.ca

Markham, Ontario, Canada

 

 


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Subject: John Penhallurick 1946 - 2014
From: Phil Davis <pdavis AT IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 02:13:53 -0500
Chatters:

Yesterday, I was researching a project and happened upon a reference
to John Penhallurick's World Bird Info web site,
http://worldbirdinfo.net/. I recalled that I had not seen any posts
from or about him since he posted a rather dire message (pasted at
the bottom) in February 2014 concerning his health. Further
investigation yielded the sad news that he died on 5 September 2014
after a long battle with motor neuron disease.

I found a very brief brief obituary and confirmed his passing by
messages posted to the "Birding-Aus"mailing list
(http://birding-aus.org/john-penhallurick/).

I did not know him, at all, but I believe that anyone that has
contributed so much to the birding/ornithology community should be
duly recognized.

The local paper obit is very brief and is archived behind a paywall;
however, the text follows:
John PENHALLURICK
Obituary
DR JOHN MURRAY PENHALLURICK
20 July 1946 - 5 September 2014
Beloved husband of Liz.
Father of Kate and Jane.
Grandfather of Amaya and Evie.
He will be missed
The funeral service for John will be held in the Bluegum Chapel of
William Cole Funerals, 60 Nettlefold Street, Belconnen on Friday 12
September 2014, commencing at 1pm.
In lieu of flowers, donations may be made to The Motor Neuron Disease
Association, NSW. Envelopes will be available at the service.
Published in The Canberra Times on Sept. 10, 2014

His Wikipedia "about me" profile includes, in part ...
My name is Dr John Penhallurick and I live in Fraser, Canberra in the
ACT in Australia. I used to be a professor at the University of
Canberra but I retired 5 years ago. My life's work is now my website:
http://www.worldbirdinfo.net where I aim to give for each bird
species a detailed distribution,at least down to country level, and
with large countries, in much finer detail. I also included
subspecies in the distribution data. In addition I am trying to
provide at least the first instance of every distinct form of
scientific name applied to every genus, subgenus, species and
subspecies. I am also trying to include a photo or at least image of
every species, and to include their calls and songs.
He served as a Research Associate - taxonomy of owls of the world -
on the Global Owl Project (http://www.globalowlproject.com/team.php?id=41).

In 2004, his reached 6000 species on his world bird list

(http://bioacoustics.cse.unsw.edu.au/archives/html/canberrabirds/2004-12/msg00064.html). 


His February 2014 message to Birdchat and several other listservers follows:
At 22:00 02/15/2014, John Penhallurick wrote:
>Hi Friends,
>I was hoping that I could cotinue working on my website untilo I was eighty.
>But bulbar-onset Motor Neurone Disease has put paid to that. It is a
>horrible disease: in one year it has destroyed all ability to produce
>intelligilbe speech,and 98% of my swallowing.  As you can imagine, this has
>wrewcked my social life.  And noe it has started to affect my limbs. It has
>started destroying the motor neurones that control my right foot, and I
>expect the next target wil be my right hand & arm.
>So Ihave to make some decisions about what to do with my website.  Ihave
>almosy fiished updating the Movements field for the Chsradiidae and
>Svolpacidae, because movements are very impotant for these groups.
>I added photos or images and calls for almost all of them. Check it out and
>let meknow of any species that Ihave mixed.
>One consequece of my short remaining time (and the MND is extremely
>variable- I don't know whether it wil kill me in six months or four years)
>is that I have decided to abandon the original aim of providing full
>synnymies for all generic,subgeneric,species and subspecies names. In
>principle I'lljust give the citations always, plus any synonymd mentioned in
>Peters.Using sources like Ridgway's Birds of North and Middle America takes
>a lot of time, as the synomies are organized by names, not chronology.  I
>will not attach calls where they are relatively uni,portant in indetifying a
>species eg: the Trochiidae.
>I'll keep you posted on progress, and I will have to notiff a change of ISP.
>My present ISP charges $250 a month, and the website would disapar a mnth
>after my death.
>Dr John Penhallurick
>86 Bingley Cres
>Fraser A.C.T. 2615
>Australia
>email:jpenhall AT bigpond.net.au
>Phone: Home (612) 62585428
>Mobile:0408585426
>sunt lacrimae rerum et mentem mortalia tangunt Aeneid Book 1,line 462  "The
>world is a world of tears, and the burdens of mortality touch the heart."
>Magna est veritas et praevalet Vulgate, Book of Edras
>The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people
>whatever they need to have done, but can not do at all, or can not so well
>do, for themselves-in their separate, and individual capacities. Abraham
>Lincoln
>"It's good to look beyond the bounds of accepted ideas" James
>Peebles,Princeton University

His web site (http://worldbirdinfo.net/index.php/home) is still up,
for now ... here are his last "news" entries concerning his health ...

         http://worldbirdinfo.net/index.php/news

He certainly dedicated much time and effort to his web site and it
was referenced by many. I have no other information on the status or
plans for his web site. Perhaps someone knows more ...

Phil


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Subject: Duck ID? (photo)
From: "B.G. Sloan" <bgsloan3 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 16:24:57 -0500
My gut impression for this bird was Gadwall. Someone else has suggested
American Black Duck hen. Of course it could be some kind of Mallard hybrid
as well. Photo taken in Middlesex County, NJ:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14463444 AT N07/15709943911/

Bernie Sloan
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Subject: Olive-backed Pipit in Yorba Linda California
From: Steve Sosensky <steve AT OPTICS4BIRDING.COM>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 11:51:07 -0800
Hi Chatters,



An Olive-backed Pipit is currently in Yorba Regional Park in Yorba Linda CA.
This is only the third record for the Lower 48 - there was also a record in
Mexico. The pipit was found on 11/1 by Jeff Bray, seen on 11/2, missed on
11/3, and seen again today, 11/4. Video, photos and a discussion of the bird
can be seen on the Optics4Birding Nature Blog
http://www.optics4birding.com/blog/
 .







Good viewing,.



Steve Sosensky, VP

Optics4Birding

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Subject: some gorgeous close-up photos of wild birds
From: Devorah the Ornithologist <birdologist AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 08:29:44 +0000
hello everyone,

the vancouver avian research centre (in BC, Canada) has a blog where they
share some of the season's banding results and photos. i thought you might
enjoy looking at some of the birds from autumn 2014 that they are sharing
on their site:

http://bit.ly/10QEhj5

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Devorah Bennu, PhD
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Subject: RFI Birding Buenos Aires
From: Joseph Morlan <jmorlan AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 19:35:53 -0800
I will have two days in Buenos Aires 17-18 February 2015 for birding and am
thinking about hiring an English speaking guide.  Any suggestions?
Thanks.
--
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Subject: Re: Merlin vs. Shorebirds - survival tactic
From: Virginia Nufer <nuferv AT OHSU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 17:01:02 +0000
This tactic is not confined to shorebirds. I have noticed that when a peregrine 
makes a pass at the Vaux's swifts at the migration roost at Chapman school, a 
large portion of the thousands of swifts hightail it so high that all you can 
see is a barely visible grey smudge swirling above. 


Takes them a while to get the nerve to come back down.

This doesn't happen when a Cooper's hawk shows up. They tend to sit on the 
chimney watching the swifts stream by until one becomes dinner. 


Marsie Nufer
Portland Oregon

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Subject: Cartagena
From: Dr Ronald Orenstein <ron.orenstein AT ROGERS.COM>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 07:05:55 +0800
I will be in Cartagena, Colombia for a meeting on December 8-9 and may have an 
extra day or so for birding. Has anyone had any experience there (guides, 
safety, locales, birds)? I gather that I can rule out any montane birding in 
the time available but species such as Northern Screamer and Violet-bellied 
Hummingbird can be seen in the area? Thanks in advance! 


Ronald Orenstein
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Subject: BirdNote, last week and the week of Nov. 2, 2014
From: Ellen Blackstone <ellen AT 123IMAGINE.NET>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 08:46:16 -0700
Hello, BirdChat,

5 Things to Do for Birds in Your Autumn Garden -- and 1 Thing for Yourself!
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* The Amazing, Head-turning Owl
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Subject: Re: Merlin vs. Shorebirds - survival tactic
From: mitch AT UTOPIANATURE.COM
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 07:47:24 -0700
Hi Chuck, and all,

Among a few observations of the behavior you describe, I have seen
this method of escape behavior used by a Baird's Sandpiper which
shamefully out-climbed TWO Peregrine Falcon!  The falcons both gave
up and broke off as the Baird's turned to a pindot nearing the
stratosphere.  It seems once a shorebird learns this they use it.
Since many don't do it, it would not seem instinctive.

I have watched more than one Merlin relentlessly dog a shorebird
that wouldn't (didn't know to?) use this escape method until the
shorebird was exhausted and an easy grab.  So yes, I think many
shorebirds can out-climb many falcons, and some know it and use it.
It may be a scary somewhat counter-intuitive 'learn' for them,
heading out into open airspace in a wing-race with one of those
high-speed flyboys?  Some shorebirds learn falcons are good divers
but not so much as climbers.

Mitch Heindel
Utopia, Texas

On 2014-10-31 14:25, Chuck Sexton wrote:
> Twice in the past week or so, I’ve watched a Merlin make impressive
> dives and chases at the shorebirds hanging out at Devine Lake near
> Leander, TX.  He hasn’t been successful in the few passes I’ve seen
> but he seems to be sticking around, so he may be having some success.
> However, today I saw one particular chase that got me to thinking:
>
> The Merlin made a typical low-level (3 ft above water/ground) power
> run at a mixed flock of shorebirds.  A snipe quickly became the focal
> target but then the snipe continued climbing higher and higher.  The
> Merlin began to lose ground and within a few seconds, with the snipe
> up at 100+ ft, climbing and pulling away, the Merlin peeled off and
> turned away.
>
> Q:  Are falcons, and Merlins in particular, just at a disadvantage in
> a *climbing* chase?  Is their aerodynamics such that it’s harder for
> them to power climb vis-a-vis something like a medium-sized
> shorebird??
>
> Certainly in a power dive or a powered level run at prey, a Merlin is
> a formidable preditor.  But maybe aerodynamics and climbing strength
> have saved many a shorebird to date!
>
> Chuck Sexton
> Austin

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Subject: Whooooo said that? The distinct voices of owls
From: Devorah the Ornithologist <birdologist AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 11:25:33 +0000
Hello everyone,

I ran across a fun little video that shares the voices of some North
American owls -- including the voice of one owl that is the most widespread
bird species on the planet (any idea which owl that is?). This video also
includes images of these birds, so you can see what each species looks
like, but only after you've listened to its voice first.

the short link:

http://gu.com/p/43vj6/stw

or, if you prefer, the long link:


http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2014/nov/01/whooooo-said-that-the-distinct-voices-of-owls 


cheers,

--
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Subject: Merlin vs. Shorebirds - survival tactic
From: Chuck Sexton <gcwarbler AT AUSTIN.RR.COM>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:25:23 -0500
Twice in the past week or so, I’ve watched a Merlin make impressive dives and 
chases at the shorebirds hanging out at Devine Lake near Leander, TX. He 
hasn’t been successful in the few passes I’ve seen but he seems to be 
sticking around, so he may be having some success. However, today I saw one 
particular chase that got me to thinking: 


The Merlin made a typical low-level (3 ft above water/ground) power run at a 
mixed flock of shorebirds. A snipe quickly became the focal target but then the 
snipe continued climbing higher and higher. The Merlin began to lose ground and 
within a few seconds, with the snipe up at 100+ ft, climbing and pulling away, 
the Merlin peeled off and turned away. 


Q: Are falcons, and Merlins in particular, just at a disadvantage in a 
*climbing* chase? Is their aerodynamics such that it’s harder for them to 
power climb vis-a-vis something like a medium-sized shorebird?? 


Certainly in a power dive or a powered level run at prey, a Merlin is a 
formidable preditor. But maybe aerodynamics and climbing strength have saved 
many a shorebird to date! 


Chuck Sexton
Austin

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Subject: Re: cr: (1)
From: L Larson <llarson2 AT MAC.COM>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:46:54 -0400
Thomas,
This looks like an infected link that was posted by a so-called "spambot" 
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Please do the following:
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we will remove the link from the list archives. This message serves to remind 
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On Oct 30, 2014, at 6:16 PM, thomasdoc AT COMCAST.NET wrote:

> http://tszabo.net/9b8v7c6h5g4f3d2s1.xxxxx
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Subject: cr: (1)
From: thomasdoc AT COMCAST.NET
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:16:28 +0000
http://tszabo.net/9b8v7c6h5g4f3d2s1.php





























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Subject: Interesting sparrow profile photo...
From: "B.G. Sloan" <bgsloan3 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:04:33 -0400
I've lately been into taking profile photos of birds, usually larger birds
on dead branches and against a gray or dark sky...very natural
environments. But early this morning I happened to take a profile photo of
a small bird against an unnatural background. The sparrow (Savannah?) was
perched in the shade on a dark chain-link fence at a local park baseball
field. In the background is the yellow dirt baseball infield illuminated by
the rising sun. Here's the photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14463444 AT N07/15667612405/

Bernie Sloan
Highland Park, NJ

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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation
From: "Gorton, Gregg" <Gregg.Gorton AT VA.GOV>
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:50:10 -0400
Thanks, Jerry!

--BTW: Has anyone named their bins? -- Chann's oughta be "Sherman," sounds 
like... ! 


Gregg

Gregg Gorton
Narberth, PA
Homoaves [at] gmail.com

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From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line) 
[mailto:BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Jerry Blinn 

Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:32 PM
To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation

The Chandler Robbins binos appear to me to be the original US made Bausch & 
Lomb 7x50s (back when it was a real optics company), which were built like a 
tank and went through a few wars in the military. 


Jerry

Jerry Blinn
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Placitas, NM
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: Jerry Blinn <support AT AVISYS.NET>
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:31:47 -0600
The Chandler Robbins binos appear to me to be the original US made
Bausch & Lomb 7x50s (back when it was a real optics company), which
were built like a tank and went through a few wars in the military.

Jerry

Jerry Blinn
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Subject: Birding guide--Santiago, Chile
From: Gary Nunn <garybnunn AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:58:39 -0700
Hi Everyone, I am looking for information on local birding guides in/near
Santiago, Chile.

If you can recommend someone please contact me offline, thanks!

garybnunn AT gmail.com
--
Gary Nunn
*San Diego Birding - my blog *

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Subject: cheap binocs
From: D & Y Bree <dbree AT KOS.NET>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:36:16 -0400
Date:    Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:13:31 +0000
From:    "Tangren, Gerald Vernon" 
Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation

I dont have an answer to that question because in my mind I would doubt
the competency of a guide if he only thought he required inexpensive
binocs.


Jerry 
WA State University-Tree Fruit Research & Extension Center
Wenatchee, WA
509-663-8181 x 231
USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 7a
http://www.tfrec.wsu.edu/pages/webdev/Favorites


Jerry Please

Competency does not necessarily relate to income.  I've know many competent
guides that didn't own shoes let alone binocs. They still knew birds and
could find them very well. I don't know the average income level in
Seychelles but I am impressed this guy is willing and able to upgrade.  As
we all know birders providing better than average income to locals to see
wildlife is the best means of ensuring habitat survival.

David

David and Yvette Bree
2410 Victoria Road
Carrying Place, Ontario
Canada
K0K 1L0

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Subject: A book about passenger pigeons
From: Devorah the Ornithologist <birdologist AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:17:33 +0000
hello everyone,

after lots of travel & illness, i'm catching up with my book reviews. only
3 to go!

This absorbing book is an engaging and wistful, yet measured, chronicle
about the tragic loss of one very special, iconic, species, the passenger
pigeon.


http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2014/oct/28/a-message-from-martha-by-mark-avery-review 


this would be a superb gift book as well.

cheers,

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Subject: Re: Budget binoculars
From: David Gascoigne <bateleur27 AT HOTMAIL.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:02:22 -0400
Probably enough has been said on this topic, but let me add my two cents worth 
anyway. I agree that many of the guides in the less than wealthy countries we 
travel to could not even imagine being able to spend the kind of money we spend 
on optics. Having said this, I do believe that there is a diminishing return in 
the enhanced quality of high end binoculars for every few hundred dollars extra 
invested. I am happy with my Swarovski ELs but I am not sure that the king's 
ransom I spent on them really gives me that much extra performance than 
binoculars at half the price. 


David Gascoigne
Waterloo, ON
www.travelswithbirds.blogspot.com

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Jack Stephens  wrote:
>
> I regards to the posts yesterday, I like the Nikon Monarch series of
> binoculars, and Monarch 3's run about $230 in 8 x 42's. It looks like
> Eagle Optics does not carry them for some reason, and I am not sure how
> they compare to their store-brand Ranger series.
>
> Jack Stephens
> Edmonds, WA
> jstephens62 AT comcast.net
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: birding AT AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:57:48 -0400
Gregory and Chatters,
 
Once again, I tend to be echoing what others have already mentioned. For some 
reason my Birdchat messages are ending up in my Spam folder, sometimes more, 
sometimes none, but it is very frustrating to check it, and see a whole list of 
posts, as I did this time, only after sending my own message (unaware of what 
was written previously, buried in my Spam folder). My apologies. 


Ernie Jardine
Pickering Ontario
birding AT aol.com

www.birdsongidentification.com
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory J. Harber 
To: BIRDCHAT 
Sent: Mon, Oct 27, 2014 10:22 pm
Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation


Same here.  I've been on trips with guides who I thought didn't really need 
binoculars at all because they knew the birds, their songs and their calls so 
well that optics were only used to confirm what they already knew by ear.


Gregory J. Harber
Birmingham, AL
gharber AT mindspring.com
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."
Tom Robbins


-----Original Message-----
>From: Elizabeth Dodd 
>Sent: Oct 27, 2014 7:58 PM
>To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
>Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation
>
>Wow.
>
>I've been fortunate enough to have a few guide experiences--not very many, 
admittedly. But it seemed to me that my guides were people of limited economic 
means, though not of limited knowledge, experience, or generosity.  I think my 
binoculars were more expensive than theirs, but the excursions under their 
leadership were priceless, at least to me.
>
>I bet Eagle Optics will have some models in an educator-range budget. Check 
out 

the Denali 8 X 42. Our university has had good luck with these.
>
>Elizabeth Dodd
>Manhattan, KS
>
>________________________________________
>From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line) 
 

on behalf of Tangren, Gerald Vernon 
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:13 PM
>To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
>Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation
>
>I don¹t have an answer to that question because in my mind I would doubt
>the competency of a guide if he only thought he required inexpensive
>binocs.
>
>‹
>Jerry 
>WA State University-Tree Fruit Research & Extension Center
>Wenatchee, WA
>509-663-8181 x 231
>USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 7a
>http://www.tfrec.wsu.edu/pages/webdev/Favorites
>
>
>"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool
>you. He really is an idiot.² ‹Groucho Marx
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 10/27/14, 4:57 PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"
> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>We are going on a trip in December that will take us to the Seychelles.
>>We have engaged a local bird guide for some of the harder species and he
>>has asked if we could buy him a better pair of binoculars here in the USA
>>as his current pair is not in good condition. His budget is not huge,
>>about $150-$200, maybe a tad more.
>>
>>I know there have been discussions about the best "budget" bins --
>>however any recent insights would be appreciated. Based on his rather
>>remote location, durability as well as optical quality are important. I
>>would think climate would necessitate water-resistant roof prisms as
>>well. 8's may be best. I know Eagle Optics has some binoculars in this
>>price range so if anyone has experience with these models, that would be
>>great.
>>
>>Gail Mackiernan
>>Silver Spring, MD
>>
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation
From: birding AT AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:16:34 -0400
Gerald and Chatters,
 
I might be more worried if he were asking for a pair of hearing aids. From my 
experience, local guides find a great number of their birds by hearing them 
first. I love that picture of Chandler Robbins' bins taken by Laura Erickson. A 
man after my own heart. 

 
All the best,
Ernie Jardine
Pickering Ontario
 
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www.birdsongidentification.com
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Gorton, Gregg 
To: BIRDCHAT 
Sent: Tue, Oct 28, 2014 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular 
recommendation 



Where can I buy bins like these?

LOL

(But, seriously, I wonder what the optics are like--these might have been "top 
shelf" in their day!)

Gregg Gorton
Narberth, PA 19072


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From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line) 
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On Behalf Of Phil Davis
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:10 AM
To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation

Hi Chatters:

I can add one more data point to this thread ...

Check out these binoculars ...

         http://www.flickr.com/photos/lauraerickson/3173109880/

They belong to none other than Chandler S.
Robbins, one of the godfathers of modern field birding.

You can see Chan wearing them in the beginning of this video clip and then 
again 

around 2:20 and 3:14. (The full clip runs 3:56).

         http://vimeo.com/71432056

This year he is 96 and is planning a trip to Ecuador. As a friend of mine just 
said, "Amazing!"

I would guess that every binocular manufacturer in the county has probably 
offered him free use of their bins by now ...

Phil

At 20:13 10/27/2014, Tangren, Gerald Vernon wrote:
>I don¹t have an answer to that question because in my mind I would
>doubt the competency of a guide if he only thought he required
>inexpensive binocs.

>On 10/27/14, 4:57 PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan
>%3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"  wrote:
> >We are going on a trip in December that will
> take us to the Seychelles. We have engaged a local bird guide for some
> of the harder species and he
> >has asked if we could buy him a better pair of
> binoculars here in the USA as his current pair is not in good
> condition. His budget is not huge,
> >about $150-$200, maybe a tad more.

==================================
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Subject: Re: Budget binoculars
From: Jack Stephens <jstephens62 AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 07:00:24 -0700
I regards to the posts yesterday, I like the Nikon Monarch series of
binoculars, and Monarch 3's run about $230 in 8 x 42's. It looks like
Eagle Optics does not carry them for some reason, and I am not sure how
they compare to their store-brand Ranger series.

Jack Stephens
Edmonds, WA
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation
From: "Gorton, Gregg" <Gregg.Gorton AT VA.GOV>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:21:23 -0400
Where can I buy bins like these?

LOL

(But, seriously, I wonder what the optics are like--these might have been "top 
shelf" in their day!) 


Gregg Gorton
Narberth, PA 19072


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From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line) 
[mailto:BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Davis 

Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:10 AM
To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation

Hi Chatters:

I can add one more data point to this thread ...

Check out these binoculars ...

         http://www.flickr.com/photos/lauraerickson/3173109880/

They belong to none other than Chandler S.
Robbins, one of the godfathers of modern field birding.

You can see Chan wearing them in the beginning of this video clip and then 
again around 2:20 and 3:14. (The full clip runs 3:56). 


         http://vimeo.com/71432056

This year he is 96 and is planning a trip to Ecuador. As a friend of mine just 
said, "Amazing!" 


I would guess that every binocular manufacturer in the county has probably 
offered him free use of their bins by now ... 


Phil

At 20:13 10/27/2014, Tangren, Gerald Vernon wrote:
>I dont have an answer to that question because in my mind I would
>doubt the competency of a guide if he only thought he required
>inexpensive binocs.

>On 10/27/14, 4:57 PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan
>%3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"  wrote:
> >We are going on a trip in December that will
> take us to the Seychelles. We have engaged a local bird guide for some
> of the harder species and he
> >has asked if we could buy him a better pair of
> binoculars here in the USA as his current pair is not in good
> condition. His budget is not huge,
> >about $150-$200, maybe a tad more.

==================================
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: Phil Davis <pdavis AT IX.NETCOM.COM>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 01:10:19 -0400
Hi Chatters:

I can add one more data point to this thread ...

Check out these binoculars ...

         http://www.flickr.com/photos/lauraerickson/3173109880/

They belong to none other than Chandler S.
Robbins, one of the godfathers of modern field birding.

You can see Chan wearing them in the beginning of
this video clip and then again around 2:20 and 3:14. (The full clip runs 3:56).

         http://vimeo.com/71432056

This year he is 96 and is planning a trip to
Ecuador. As a friend of mine just said, "Amazing!"

I would guess that every binocular manufacturer
in the county has probably offered him free use of their bins by now ...

Phil

At 20:13 10/27/2014, Tangren, Gerald Vernon wrote:
>I dont have an answer to that question because
>in my mind I would doubt the competency of a
>guide if he only thought he required inexpensive binocs.

>On 10/27/14, 4:57 PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan
>%3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"  wrote:
> >We are going on a trip in December that will
> take us to the Seychelles. We have engaged a
> local bird guide for some of the harder species and he
> >has asked if we could buy him a better pair of
> binoculars here in the USA as his current pair
> is not in good condition. His budget is not huge,
> >about $150-$200, maybe a tad more.

==================================
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: Rick King <rickbking AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:35:55 -0400
I think REI has some fantastic binoculars in the sub-$200 range.

Very close focus, built-in lens covers, easy eye-relief adjustment,
waterproof (pretty sure, have to check that). I used to be an avid
birder and have some $700 baush & lomb 10's (from some 15 years ago) and
frankly I can't tell the difference.

Rick King
Southfield MI

On 10/27/2014 7:57 PM, Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We are going on a trip in December that will take us to the Seychelles. We 
have engaged a local bird guide for some of the harder species and he has asked 
if we could buy him a better pair of binoculars here in the USA as his current 
pair is not in good condition. His budget is not huge, about $150-$200, maybe a 
tad more. 

>
> I know there have been discussions about the best "budget" bins -- however 
any recent insights would be appreciated. Based on his rather remote location, 
durability as well as optical quality are important. I would think climate 
would necessitate water-resistant roof prisms as well. 8's may be best. I know 
Eagle Optics has some binoculars in this price range so if anyone has 
experience with these models, that would be great. 

>
> Gail Mackiernan
> Silver Spring, MD
>
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: Sandra Savage <savagebirder AT SHAW.CA>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:34:21 -0600
I agree totally!!!  Many of the guides have learned to identify birds
without any binoculars - our larger binoculars and scopes are a treat
for them and totally out of their price ranges.

Sandra Savage
Calgary


On 10/27/2014 6:26 PM, ECJ100 AT AOL.COM wrote:
> I don't agree that the measure of a birder, or guide, is the cost of
> his/her binoculars.  I have birded with many people whose binoculars are  not
> terribly good, but who can out-ID those with expensive bins or even a good
> scope.
>
> There is also a difference in my mind between what a person may think they
> need and what they can afford.
>
> Eric Jeffrey
> Falls Church, VA
>
>
> In a message dated 10/27/2014 8:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tangren AT WSU.EDU writes:
>
> I don¹t  have an answer to that question because in my mind I would doubt
> the  competency of a guide if he only thought he required  inexpensive
> binocs.
>
> ‹
> Jerry 
> WA State  University-Tree Fruit Research & Extension Center
> Wenatchee,  WA
> 509-663-8181 x 231
> USDA Cold Hardiness Zone  7a
> http://www.tfrec.wsu.edu/pages/webdev/Favorites
>
>
> "He may look  like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool
> you. He really  is an idiot.² ‹Groucho Marx
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/27/14, 4:57  PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan  %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"
>   wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We are going on a trip in December  that will take us to the Seychelles.
>> We have engaged a local bird guide  for some of the harder species and he
>> has asked if we could buy him a  better pair of binoculars here in the USA
>> as his current pair is not in  good condition. His budget is not huge,
>> about $150-$200, maybe a tad  more.
>>
>> I know there have been discussions about the best  "budget" bins --
>> however any recent insights would be appreciated.  Based on his rather
>> remote location, durability as well as optical  quality are important. I
>> would think climate would necessitate  water-resistant roof prisms as
>> well. 8's may be best. I know Eagle  Optics has some binoculars in this
>> price range so if anyone has  experience with these models, that would be
>> great.
>>
>> Gail  Mackiernan
>> Silver Spring, MD
>>
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: "Gregory J. Harber" <gharber AT MINDSPRING.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:20:54 -0500
Same here. I've been on trips with guides who I thought didn't really need 
binoculars at all because they knew the birds, their songs and their calls so 
well that optics were only used to confirm what they already knew by ear. 



Gregory J. Harber
Birmingham, AL
gharber AT mindspring.com
"It's never too late to have a happy childhood."
Tom Robbins


-----Original Message-----
>From: Elizabeth Dodd 
>Sent: Oct 27, 2014 7:58 PM
>To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
>Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation
>
>Wow.
>
>I've been fortunate enough to have a few guide experiences--not very many, 
admittedly. But it seemed to me that my guides were people of limited economic 
means, though not of limited knowledge, experience, or generosity. I think my 
binoculars were more expensive than theirs, but the excursions under their 
leadership were priceless, at least to me. 

>
>I bet Eagle Optics will have some models in an educator-range budget. Check 
out the Denali 8 X 42. Our university has had good luck with these. 

>
>Elizabeth Dodd
>Manhattan, KS
>
>________________________________________
>From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line) 
 on behalf of Tangren, Gerald Vernon 
 

>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:13 PM
>To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
>Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation
>
>I don¹t have an answer to that question because in my mind I would doubt
>the competency of a guide if he only thought he required inexpensive
>binocs.
>
>‹
>Jerry 
>WA State University-Tree Fruit Research & Extension Center
>Wenatchee, WA
>509-663-8181 x 231
>USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 7a
>http://www.tfrec.wsu.edu/pages/webdev/Favorites
>
>
>"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool
>you. He really is an idiot.² ‹Groucho Marx
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 10/27/14, 4:57 PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"
> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>We are going on a trip in December that will take us to the Seychelles.
>>We have engaged a local bird guide for some of the harder species and he
>>has asked if we could buy him a better pair of binoculars here in the USA
>>as his current pair is not in good condition. His budget is not huge,
>>about $150-$200, maybe a tad more.
>>
>>I know there have been discussions about the best "budget" bins --
>>however any recent insights would be appreciated. Based on his rather
>>remote location, durability as well as optical quality are important. I
>>would think climate would necessitate water-resistant roof prisms as
>>well. 8's may be best. I know Eagle Optics has some binoculars in this
>>price range so if anyone has experience with these models, that would be
>>great.
>>
>>Gail Mackiernan
>>Silver Spring, MD
>>
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: Chip Clouse <chip.clouse AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:58:14 -0600
Jim Hully mentioned the Cornell Review and I would specifically look at the
Opticron Trailfinder 8x42 that was a top pick in the $200-$399 category.
You can get these for $189.  5 foot close focus, 7.2 degree field of view,
super fast focusing system so you don't have to keep turning to focus from
near to far.  There are lighter binoculars but these are solid and have
metal eyecups covered in rubber, NOT plastic.  They are recommended by the
Urban Birder. I recommend them as well, especially if you have under $200
to spend. These are waterproof as well and come with rainguard, objective
lens covers, cordura case and strap.  Limited Lifetime warranty (5 years
no-fault)

Chip Clouse
Arvada, Colorado

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Elizabeth Dodd  wrote:

> Wow.
>
> I've been fortunate enough to have a few guide experiences--not very many,
> admittedly. But it seemed to me that my guides were people of limited
> economic means, though not of limited knowledge, experience, or
> generosity.  I think my binoculars were more expensive than theirs, but the
> excursions under their leadership were priceless, at least to me.
>
> I bet Eagle Optics will have some models in an educator-range budget.
> Check out the Denali 8 X 42. Our university has had good luck with these.
>
> Elizabeth Dodd
> Manhattan, KS
>
> ________________________________________
> From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line) <
> BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU> on behalf of Tangren, Gerald Vernon <
> tangren AT WSU.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:13 PM
> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation
>
> I don¹t have an answer to that question because in my mind I would doubt
> the competency of a guide if he only thought he required inexpensive
> binocs.
>
> ‹
> Jerry 
> WA State University-Tree Fruit Research & Extension Center
> Wenatchee, WA
> 509-663-8181 x 231
> USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 7a
> http://www.tfrec.wsu.edu/pages/webdev/Favorites
>
>
> "He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool
> you. He really is an idiot.² ‹Groucho Marx
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/27/14, 4:57 PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"
>  wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >We are going on a trip in December that will take us to the Seychelles.
> >We have engaged a local bird guide for some of the harder species and he
> >has asked if we could buy him a better pair of binoculars here in the USA
> >as his current pair is not in good condition. His budget is not huge,
> >about $150-$200, maybe a tad more.
> >
> >I know there have been discussions about the best "budget" bins --
> >however any recent insights would be appreciated. Based on his rather
> >remote location, durability as well as optical quality are important. I
> >would think climate would necessitate water-resistant roof prisms as
> >well. 8's may be best. I know Eagle Optics has some binoculars in this
> >price range so if anyone has experience with these models, that would be
> >great.
> >
> >Gail Mackiernan
> >Silver Spring, MD
> >
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: "Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E" <katahdinss AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 01:48:34 +0000
Many people in this part of the world don't have a lot of money -- in fact, we 
have run into many guides in less-developed countries with no binoculars at 
all! For him $200 probably IS a lot of money! 


Gail 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Gerald Vernon Tangren"  
To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 8:13:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation 

I don¹t have an answer to that question because in my mind I would doubt 
the competency of a guide if he only thought he required inexpensive 
binocs. 

‹ 
Jerry  
WA State University-Tree Fruit Research & Extension Center 
Wenatchee, WA 
509-663-8181 x 231 
USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 7a 
http://www.tfrec.wsu.edu/pages/webdev/Favorites 


"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool 
you. He really is an idiot.² ‹Groucho Marx 







On 10/27/14, 4:57 PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E" 
 wrote: 

>Hi all, 
> 
>We are going on a trip in December that will take us to the Seychelles. 
>We have engaged a local bird guide for some of the harder species and he 
>has asked if we could buy him a better pair of binoculars here in the USA 
>as his current pair is not in good condition. His budget is not huge, 
>about $150-$200, maybe a tad more. 
> 
>I know there have been discussions about the best "budget" bins -- 
>however any recent insights would be appreciated. Based on his rather 
>remote location, durability as well as optical quality are important. I 
>would think climate would necessitate water-resistant roof prisms as 
>well. 8's may be best. I know Eagle Optics has some binoculars in this 
>price range so if anyone has experience with these models, that would be 
>great. 
> 
>Gail Mackiernan 
>Silver Spring, MD 
> 
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: Elizabeth Dodd <edodd AT KSU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:58:15 +0000
Wow.

I've been fortunate enough to have a few guide experiences--not very many, 
admittedly. But it seemed to me that my guides were people of limited economic 
means, though not of limited knowledge, experience, or generosity. I think my 
binoculars were more expensive than theirs, but the excursions under their 
leadership were priceless, at least to me. 


I bet Eagle Optics will have some models in an educator-range budget. Check out 
the Denali 8 X 42. Our university has had good luck with these. 


Elizabeth Dodd
Manhattan, KS

________________________________________
From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line) 
 on behalf of Tangren, Gerald Vernon 
 

Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 7:13 PM
To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] budget binocular recommendation

I dont have an answer to that question because in my mind I would doubt
the competency of a guide if he only thought he required inexpensive
binocs.


Jerry 
WA State University-Tree Fruit Research & Extension Center
Wenatchee, WA
509-663-8181 x 231
USDA Cold Hardiness Zone 7a
http://www.tfrec.wsu.edu/pages/webdev/Favorites


"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool
you. He really is an idiot. Groucho Marx







On 10/27/14, 4:57 PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"
 wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>We are going on a trip in December that will take us to the Seychelles.
>We have engaged a local bird guide for some of the harder species and he
>has asked if we could buy him a better pair of binoculars here in the USA
>as his current pair is not in good condition. His budget is not huge,
>about $150-$200, maybe a tad more.
>
>I know there have been discussions about the best "budget" bins --
>however any recent insights would be appreciated. Based on his rather
>remote location, durability as well as optical quality are important. I
>would think climate would necessitate water-resistant roof prisms as
>well. 8's may be best. I know Eagle Optics has some binoculars in this
>price range so if anyone has experience with these models, that would be
>great.
>
>Gail Mackiernan
>Silver Spring, MD
>
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: ECJ100 AT AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:26:23 -0400
I don't agree that the measure of a birder, or guide, is the cost of  
his/her binoculars.  I have birded with many people whose binoculars are  not 
terribly good, but who can out-ID those with expensive bins or even a good  
scope.
 
There is also a difference in my mind between what a person may think they  
need and what they can afford.
 
Eric Jeffrey
Falls Church, VA
 
 
In a message dated 10/27/2014 8:15:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tangren AT WSU.EDU writes:

I don¹t  have an answer to that question because in my mind I would doubt
the  competency of a guide if he only thought he required  inexpensive
binocs.

‹
Jerry 
WA State  University-Tree Fruit Research & Extension Center
Wenatchee,  WA
509-663-8181 x 231
USDA Cold Hardiness Zone  7a
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On 10/27/14, 4:57  PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan  %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"
  wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>We are going on a trip in December  that will take us to the Seychelles.
>We have engaged a local bird guide  for some of the harder species and he
>has asked if we could buy him a  better pair of binoculars here in the USA
>as his current pair is not in  good condition. His budget is not huge,
>about $150-$200, maybe a tad  more.
>
>I know there have been discussions about the best  "budget" bins --
>however any recent insights would be appreciated.  Based on his rather
>remote location, durability as well as optical  quality are important. I
>would think climate would necessitate  water-resistant roof prisms as
>well. 8's may be best. I know Eagle  Optics has some binoculars in this
>price range so if anyone has  experience with these models, that would be
>great.
>
>Gail  Mackiernan
>Silver Spring, MD
>
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: Jim Hully <xenospiza AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:23:50 -0500
Hi Gail,

Take look at this review from Cornell for last year:

Binocular Review - Price/Quality - Autumn 2013 Living Bird


Cheers,

Jim Hully
Mundelein, IL
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On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%
40comcast.net%3E  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We are going on a trip in December that will take us to the Seychelles. We
> have engaged a local bird guide for some of the harder species and he has
> asked if we could buy him a better pair of binoculars here in the USA as
> his current pair is not in good condition. His budget is not huge, about
> $150-$200, maybe a tad more.
>
> I know there have been discussions about the best "budget" bins -- however
> any recent insights would be appreciated. Based on his rather remote
> location, durability as well as optical quality are important. I would
> think climate would necessitate water-resistant roof prisms as well. 8's
> may be best. I know Eagle Optics has some binoculars in this price range so
> if anyone has experience with these models, that would be great.
>
> Gail Mackiernan
> Silver Spring, MD
>
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Subject: Re: budget binocular recommendation
From: "Tangren, Gerald Vernon" <tangren AT WSU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:13:31 +0000
I dont have an answer to that question because in my mind I would doubt
the competency of a guide if he only thought he required inexpensive
binocs.


Jerry 
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Wenatchee, WA
509-663-8181 x 231
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On 10/27/14, 4:57 PM, "Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E"
 wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>We are going on a trip in December that will take us to the Seychelles.
>We have engaged a local bird guide for some of the harder species and he
>has asked if we could buy him a better pair of binoculars here in the USA
>as his current pair is not in good condition. His budget is not huge,
>about $150-$200, maybe a tad more.
>
>I know there have been discussions about the best "budget" bins --
>however any recent insights would be appreciated. Based on his rather
>remote location, durability as well as optical quality are important. I
>would think climate would necessitate water-resistant roof prisms as
>well. 8's may be best. I know Eagle Optics has some binoculars in this
>price range so if anyone has experience with these models, that would be
>great.
>
>Gail Mackiernan
>Silver Spring, MD
>
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Subject: budget binocular recommendation
From: "Gail B. Mackiernan %3Ckatahdinss%40comcast.net%3E" <katahdinss AT COMCAST.NET>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:57:05 +0000
Hi all,

We are going on a trip in December that will take us to the Seychelles. We have 
engaged a local bird guide for some of the harder species and he has asked if 
we could buy him a better pair of binoculars here in the USA as his current 
pair is not in good condition. His budget is not huge, about $150-$200, maybe a 
tad more. 


I know there have been discussions about the best "budget" bins -- however any 
recent insights would be appreciated. Based on his rather remote location, 
durability as well as optical quality are important. I would think climate 
would necessitate water-resistant roof prisms as well. 8's may be best. I know 
Eagle Optics has some binoculars in this price range so if anyone has 
experience with these models, that would be great. 


Gail Mackiernan
Silver Spring, MD

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Subject: The beauty of common birds (photo)
From: "B.G. Sloan" <bgsloan3 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:22:18 -0400
I was sitting out on my deck this afternoon when I happened to snap a photo
of a Mourning Dove foraging in the fall leaves. Maybe the best photo I've
ever taken of a Mourning Dove. You can even clearly make out the "pale
bluish orbital ring" around the eye that Sibley describes.

Just started me thinking...in our never ending quest to add new species to
our lists, sometimes we might overlook the beauty of very common species. I
know I'm guilty of that. Here's my photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14463444 AT N07/15621281326/

Bernie Sloan
Highland Park, NJ

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Subject: some hope for birds after all?
From: Devorah the Ornithologist <birdologist AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 07:55:52 +0000
hello everyone,

you may wish to add this book to your personal reading list, or give it to
loved ones at holiday time:

http://seattletimes.com/html/books/2024845737_marzluffsubirdiaxml.html

this book was written by John Marzluff, who has studied crows on the
University of Washington campus for more than a decade -- I know him
personally from when he was first starting out during my time as a grad
student at UW.

This new book, which just arrived in the mail here, is an optimistic look
at what we may be able to expect for avifauna in the coming years -- if we
make just a small effort to accommodate birds, they will become more
numerous near our homes and indeed, suburbs may be the last stronghold for
at least a few species that may otherwise go extinct. the link above leads
to a book review, published in today's seattle times.

cheers,
--
GrrlScientist
Devorah Bennu, PhD
birdologist AT gmail.com
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Subject: a fun suggestion from the Cornell Lab of O
From: Devorah the Ornithologist <birdologist AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 07:39:57 +0000
hello everyone,

since Halloween is fast approaching, i thought i'd share a suggestion from
Cornell's Lab of Ornithology for what to do with all those pumpkins:

http://bit.ly/10qD5mg

cheers,

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Subject: BirdNote, last week and the week of Oct. 26, 2014
From: Ellen Blackstone <ellen AT 123IMAGINE.NET>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:58:20 -0700
Hello, BirdChat,

Check out the 2015 Birds of BirdNote calendar, featuring the photos of
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* Pileated Apple-peckers
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Subject: sharing breakfast with a hummingbird
From: Devorah the Ornithologist <birdologist AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:31:55 +0100
hello everyone,

this sweet amateur video might cheer you up (those who need cheering, that
is). In this video, an elderly man takes pleasure in the small things, by
sharing his kitchen with a hungry hummingbird in Brasil:


http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2014/oct/25/a-hummingbird-and-his-man 



--
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Subject: Re: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain
From: Dr Ronald Orenstein <ron.orenstein AT ROGERS.COM>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:02:25 +0800
For anyone visiting Perth Rottnest Island is a good place for Banded Stilt 
(though I don't know if they are there year round), plus the best chance to see 
the endangered Quokka, a miniature kangaroo that is common and confiding on the 
island. I saw both easily in September 2013. 


Ronald Orenstein
1825 Shady Creek Court
Mississauga, ON
Canada L5L 3W2
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> On Oct 23, 2014, at 11:33 PM, Joseph Morlan  wrote:
>
> Another article with additional detail is at...
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2014/10/15/4106711.htm
>
> Banded Stilt is a fascinating species in other ways. I was fortunate to
> photograph it and posted a short essay at...
>
> http://fog.ccsf.edu/~jmorlan/Australia/BandedStiltP1170730.htm
>
>
>> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:07:35 -0700, MM  wrote:
>>
>> Interesting article on Banded Stilts' ability to sense weather from great
>> distances:
>>
>> 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/science/australian-birds-that-mysteriously-chase-rain.html?ref=science 

> --
> Joseph Morlan, Pacifica, CA
> "It turns out we're very good at not seeing things" - Jack Hitt
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Subject: Re: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain
From: Joseph Morlan <jmorlan AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:33:56 -0700
Another article with additional detail is at...

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2014/10/15/4106711.htm

Banded Stilt is a fascinating species in other ways. I was fortunate to
photograph it and posted a short essay at...

http://fog.ccsf.edu/~jmorlan/Australia/BandedStiltP1170730.htm


On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:07:35 -0700, MM  wrote:

>Interesting article on Banded Stilts' ability to sense weather from great
>distances:
>

>http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/science/australian-birds-that-mysteriously-chase-rain.html?ref=science 

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Subject: Re: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain
From: "Barry K. MacKay" <mimus AT SYMPATICO.CA>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:17:31 -0400
Good theory!  Never thought of that.

Barry


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-----Original Message-----
From: dmark [mailto:dmark AT buffalo.edu]
Sent: October-23-14 10:32 AM
To: Barry K. MacKay
Cc: BIRDCHAT AT listserv.ksu.edu; National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line)
Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain

I have been doing fieldwork in northwestern Australia, where it only rains when 
a tropical Cyclone comes ashore. One year such a storm came ashore a couple of 
months before my visit, and there were flocks of Budgerigar all over the 
region. I did not see one wild Budgie there on any of my other visits. 


Perhaps they hear the thunder. It has been shown in the labs that pigeons can 
hear ultra-low sounds that would travel hundreds or thousands of miles. 

(I read that about 30 years ago in a book on how pigeons navigate.)

David
David Mark
Amherst NY
dmark AT buffalo.edu


On 10/23/2014 9:36 am, Barry K. MacKay wrote:
> Fascinating.
>
> I just finished a blog (a very minor "fluff" piece) on the Budgerigar,
> and there were hints in material reviewed in my research that they may
> do the same thing, and that the Aboriginal origin of their name (which
> is a matter of various opinions...I doubt we can ever know for sure)
> means "Good" or "Good Bird", and may mean not good to eat, as is
> sometimes suggested, but good for finding water...by watching flock
> flight direction water could be found in the Outback...always a good
> thing in arid terrain.
>
> Barry
>
>
> Barry Kent MacKay
> Bird Artist, Illustrator
> Studio: (905)-472-9731
> http://www.barrykentmackay.ca
> mimus AT sympatico.ca
>
> Markham, Ontario, Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line)
> [mailto:BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On Behalf Of MM
> Sent: October-23-14 12:08 AM
> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Subject: [BIRDCHAT] Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain
>
> Interesting article on Banded Stilts' ability to sense weather from
> great
> distances:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/science/australian-birds-that-myster
> iously-chase-rain.html?ref=science
>
> --
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> *SF, CA*
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Subject: Re: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain
From: dmark <dmark AT BUFFALO.EDU>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 10:32:26 -0400
I have been doing fieldwork in northwestern Australia, where it only
rains
when a tropical Cyclone comes ashore. One year such a storm came ashore
a couple of months before my visit, and there were flocks of Budgerigar
all over the region. I did not see one wild Budgie there on any of my
other visits.

Perhaps they hear the thunder. It has been shown in the labs that
pigeons
can hear ultra-low sounds that would travel hundreds or thousands of
miles.
(I read that about 30 years ago in a book on how pigeons navigate.)

David
David Mark
Amherst NY
dmark AT buffalo.edu


On 10/23/2014 9:36 am, Barry K. MacKay wrote:
> Fascinating.
>
> I just finished a blog (a very minor "fluff" piece) on the Budgerigar,
> and there were hints in material reviewed in my research that they may
> do the same thing, and that the Aboriginal origin of their name (which
> is a matter of various opinions...I doubt we can ever know for sure)
> means "Good" or "Good Bird", and may mean not good to eat, as is
> sometimes suggested, but good for finding water...by watching flock
> flight direction water could be found in the Outback...always a good
> thing in arid terrain.
>
> Barry
>
>
> Barry Kent MacKay
> Bird Artist, Illustrator
> Studio: (905)-472-9731
> http://www.barrykentmackay.ca
> mimus AT sympatico.ca
>
> Markham, Ontario, Canada
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line)
> [mailto:BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On Behalf Of MM
> Sent: October-23-14 12:08 AM
> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Subject: [BIRDCHAT] Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain
>
> Interesting article on Banded Stilts' ability to sense weather from
> great
> distances:
>
> 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/science/australian-birds-that-mysteriously-chase-rain.html?ref=science 

>
> --
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> *SF, CA*
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Subject: Re: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain
From: "Barry K. MacKay" <mimus AT SYMPATICO.CA>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:36:28 -0400
Fascinating.

I just finished a blog (a very minor "fluff" piece) on the Budgerigar, and 
there were hints in material reviewed in my research that they may do the same 
thing, and that the Aboriginal origin of their name (which is a matter of 
various opinions...I doubt we can ever know for sure) means "Good" or "Good 
Bird", and may mean not good to eat, as is sometimes suggested, but good for 
finding water...by watching flock flight direction water could be found in the 
Outback...always a good thing in arid terrain. 


Barry


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Bird Artist, Illustrator
Studio: (905)-472-9731
http://www.barrykentmackay.ca
mimus AT sympatico.ca

Markham, Ontario, Canada

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On Behalf Of MM 

Sent: October-23-14 12:08 AM
To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: [BIRDCHAT] Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain

Interesting article on Banded Stilts' ability to sense weather from great
distances:


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/science/australian-birds-that-mysteriously-chase-rain.html?ref=science 


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Subject: California - Arizona Trip Report
From: Dave DeReamus <becard AT RCN.COM>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 03:00:01 -0400
I took a trip out west, mainly to do a San Diego pelagic trip and to check out 
the Grand Canyon’s South Rim. I ended up getting six ‘lifers’ (a tough 
thing for me to do anymore) and one “Lower 48” bird. If interested, a short 
story and many photos can be found at: 
http://becard.blogspot.com/2014_10_01_archive.html . 


Good birding,
Dave DeReamus
Palmer Township, PA
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Subject: Australian Birds That Mysteriously Chase Rain
From: MM <oscarboy AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:07:35 -0700
Interesting article on Banded Stilts' ability to sense weather from great
distances:


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/science/australian-birds-that-mysteriously-chase-rain.html?ref=science 


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Subject: Hummingbirds in Costa Rica: An Opportunity
From: "Bill Hilton Jr. (RESEARCH)" <research AT HILTONPOND.ORG>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:13:58 -0400
There may be a few Ruby-throated Hummingbirds (RTHU) lingering in the Carolina 
Piedmont this week, but by now nearly all of our Carolina hummers have flown 
south—except, of course, for those hardy individuals that seem determined to 
overwinter on the Outer Banks. 


If you think you’ll need a “hummingbird fix” before these little birds 
return next spring, consider joining me on my 25th Operation RubyThroat 
expedition to the Neotropics—this one in Guanacaste Province on the Pacific 
Coast of Coast Rica. The nine-day trip (24 Jan-1 Feb 2015) includes lots of 
opportunities for in-hand looks at numerous hummingbird species—plus other 
resident and migrant birds we encounter while banding and observing RTHU. And 
there’s plenty of time for discovering and photographing other aspects of the 
tropical dry forest, from butterflies to orchids to howler monkeys. 


For info about the upcoming trip please visit 
http://www.hiltonpond.org/CostaRica(west)AnnounceMain15.html 
 . No field 
experience necessary. Deposit deadline is 15 November. 


Happy (Neotropical) Hummingbird Watching!

BILL

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Subject: Birding near Athens, Greece?
From: TAHARRISON AT AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 21:40:40 -0400
Birders,

Planning a trip to Greece and I'll have a day or so free in Athens for some
 birding. Any local birders out there who could take me around?

Best,
Tom Harrison
San Clemente, CA USA

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Subject: the most unusual fishing partner anyone has ever had
From: Devorah the Ornithologist <birdologist AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:19:52 +0100
hey everyone,

here's a video (that includes lots of thumb shots) of a lone fisherman near
Nanoose BC who was discovered by a juvenile bald eagle, "swimming" far from
land. the video is interesting and the bird, although malnourished, is
doing well at the last report:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiOaqs9qnt8&feature=youtu.be

cheers,

--
GrrlScientist
Devorah Bennu, PhD
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Subject: Last Week's Banding
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:18:06 -0500
   For those of you interested, I have posted photos from some of
last week's banding sessions and a complete list of birds banded at
the public program held Saturday at the Lowry Nature Center in Carver
Park near Victoria, Minnesota.
   We have been battling windy days and cool mornings but the birds
keep showing up. I'm afraid this banding season is winding down. If
weather cooperates we might make it into November!

Here's a link to my post:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN

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Subject: Re: SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
From: William Leigh <leightern AT MSN.COM>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 10:45:06 +0000
I find this rather surprising in that Swarovski has such an excellent 
reputation for taking care of customers and backing their products. What model 
Swarovski scope do you own? Can you describe the "hard cover" ? Is it a 
SWarovski product as well? 

Also sometimes it can help to call the company you bought the equipment from. I 
had a problem with a Tripod once and it the problem was resolved by having 
Eagle Optics call the manufacturer. 

best,

 



William Leigh leightern AT msn.com

Bridgewater, Virginia 
 

 



> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:21:41 -0300
> From: kittiwake AT SEASCAPE.NS.CA
> Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> 
> That's when the problem started.  We sent the scope in for service and
> they changed the rubber eye cup and the new one is shedding rubber
> dust.  They replaced it and the second one does the same. They are
> blaming the scope cover but we have the hard plastic cover on the
> eyepiece and the problem is still happening.  They suggested amourall
> but we are scared of what that will do if it gets on the lens.  We feel
> that they should have not replaced that rubber eye cup there was nothing
> wrong with the one I had.  They say no one else has the problem.  Cathy
> 
> On 10/16/2014 11:28 AM, Roy Harvey wrote:
> > Cathy,
> >
> >
> > Swarovski certainly CAN fix it by replacing the rubber, or replacing the 
assembly that includes the rubber. Part of those stratospheric prices is that 
their products aren't supposed to have those sorts of problems. You may need to 
send it to them for the repair, depending on what device is having the problem. 

> >
> > Roy Harvey
> > Beacon Falls, CT
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: kittiwake 
> > To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:26 AM
> > Subject: [BIRDCHAT] SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know how to fix a rubber eyepiece that is shedding rubber dust 
over my lens. Sworvoski can fix this because they never heard of the problem. 
Cathy 

> >
> > Sent from Samsung Mobile
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Subject: Caw vs. Kraa: meaning in the calls of crows and ravens
From: Devorah the Ornithologist <birdologist AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 09:02:43 +0100
hello everyone,

I stumbled across a delightful video created by the Cornell Lab of O that
discusses the meaning in some of the sounds produced by crows and ravens --
and you also learn how to distinguish these two species based on their
voices alone:


http://www.theguardian.com/science/grrlscientist/2014/oct/18/caw-vs-kraa-meaning-in-the-calls-of-crows-and-ravens 


needless to say, i plan to feature more Lab of O videos on "caturday" in
the future.

happy birding

--
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Subject: BirdNote, last week and the week of Oct. 19, 2014
From: Ellen Blackstone <ellen AT 123IMAGINE.NET>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:31:38 -0700
Hello, BirdChat,

Check out Barry Kent MacKay's "Common Nighthawk" blog.
http://birdnote.org/blog/2014/10/common-nighthawk Thanks, Barry! [We
welcome other blogs and contributions, too -- natural history, artwork,
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Subject: Interesting Radar from last night
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT BLACK-HOLE.COM>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:51:09 -0500
   I was checking out radar returns last night to see if anything was
moving in Minnesota and found that in many places migration is still
pretty heavy. The most interesting area I saw was the north shore of
Lake Superior in Minnesota. The returns seem to show a big movement
of birds across the lake into northern Wisconsin and the U.P. of
Michigan. I posted a shot of the image at:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

  We have a regular banding session today and I will post results on
Sunday.

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN

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Subject: RFI New York City area
From: Eran Tomer <erantomer AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 00:28:23 -0400
Hello all,

I will be in New York City at the end of the month. Not a birding trip but
I'll be able to squeeze in a day or two for the birds.

I have researched various options on eBird and elsewhere, but still will be
immensely grateful for any advice on locating the species noted below.

Sites some distance out of NYC are welcome but I will probably have neither
a vehicle nor (surely) the scope, hence a strong preference for
binocular-friendly sites reachable by public transportation. No aversion to
long walks and rides, however. Distinct extra credit for sites with some
natural habitat  (versus e.g. a landfill) and non-avian wildlife too.

Finally, since I will be on my own - is safety an issue at the area's
birding sites, beyond the normal precautions one would observe in a major
metropolitan area ? Are secluded / wooded areas of large parks generally
safe during daylight, or is it  advisable to remain within earshot of
people ?

Target species - some are a long shot but then, that's exactly why I am
asking:

Cackling Goose
Long-tailed Duck
Common Eider
Common Merganser
Ring-necked Pheasant
Northern Goshawk
Hudsonian Godwit
Black-legged Kittiwake
Snow Bunting
Clay-colored Sparrow
America Tree Sparrow
Evening Grosbeak

Also nice would be Snow Goose, Brant, American Black Duck, Surf Scoter,
Northern Gannet, American Golden Plover, Stilt Sandpiper, Lesser
Black-backed Gull and Lapland Longspur.

Advice on finding any of these species will be profoundly appreciated.

Best regards,

- Eran Tomer
  Atlanta, Georgia, USA

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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
From: "Gorton, Gregg" <Gregg.Gorton AT VA.GOV>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:55:36 -0400
Clay Taylor used to be the Swarovski Rep who regularly attended ABA meetings. A 
very nice fellow. I'm not sure where he is, but maybe someone out there knows 
how to reach him. He may have useful input re this issue and how to deal with 
the company. 


Just  a thought....   good luck!

Gregg

Gregg Gorton
Narberth, PA
Homoaves [at] gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line) 
[mailto:BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Allan and Cathy Murrant 

Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:33 PM
To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [BIRDCHAT] SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem

It is a few years since my scope was serviced and we gave up on getting
Swarvoski to solve this problem for us back then.  We were out birding
this morning and saw some shorebirds by the time we set up the scope and
cleaned off the lens the birds had flown. Kind of annoying.  So I just
thought maybe over time the problem might have happened to other people.
Thanks for the responses.

Cathy Murrant
Cape Breton NS CA

http://www.capebretonbirds.ca/

On 10/16/2014 3:55 PM, Roy Harvey wrote:
> That's tough.
>
>
> If you had said that in your post to the list you might have received a 
different range of responses. 

>
> - You didn't say if it was a scope or bins.
> - No model stated, there have been at least three scopes (and more 
eyepieces). 

>
> - No mention that it started after being replaced.
>
> You have one bit of leverage when working with Swarovski - their reputation. 
Posting about a problem on BirdChat is the sort of thing that they will HATE, 
so I think you got that part right. Putting your situation out there in greater 
detail could increase your chance of finding someone looking at their scope and 
finding the same problem. It can also possibly gain sympathy, another level. 

>
> My only dealing with Swarovski's service was much simpler, and they went 
overboard (didn't cost them much $$$) to do their best for me. 

>
> When I bought a DSLR I recycled an old camera case from my SLR days (1980's). 
To my horror I discovered that the lining was disintegrating and getting into 
the camera.! Your description reminded me of that. I suggest taking a really 
close look at the case just to be sure. 

>
>
> Sorry I can't be of actual help.  Good luck!
>
>
> Roy Harvey
> Beacon Falls, CT
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Allan and Cathy Murrant 
> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
>
> That's when the problem started.  We sent the scope in for service and
> they changed the rubber eye cup and the new one is shedding rubber
> dust.  They replaced it and the second one does the same. They are
> blaming the scope cover but we have the hard plastic cover on the
> eyepiece and the problem is still happening.  They suggested amourall
> but we are scared of what that will do if it gets on the lens.  We feel
> that they should have not replaced that rubber eye cup there was nothing
> wrong with the one I had.  They say no one else has the problem.  Cathy
>
>
>
>
> On 10/16/2014 11:28 AM, Roy Harvey wrote:
>> Cathy,
>>
>>
>> Swarovski certainly CAN fix it by replacing the rubber, or replacing the 
assembly that includes the rubber. Part of those stratospheric prices is that 
their products aren't supposed to have those sorts of problems. You may need to 
send it to them for the repair, depending on what device is having the problem. 

>>
>> Roy Harvey
>> Beacon Falls, CT
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: kittiwake 
>> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:26 AM
>> Subject: [BIRDCHAT] SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to fix a rubber eyepiece that is shedding rubber dust 
over my lens. Sworvoski can fix this because they never heard of the problem. 
Cathy 

>>
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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Subject: Re: SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
From: Allan and Cathy Murrant <kittiwake AT SEASCAPE.NS.CA>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:33:05 -0300
It is a few years since my scope was serviced and we gave up on getting
Swarvoski to solve this problem for us back then.  We were out birding
this morning and saw some shorebirds by the time we set up the scope and
cleaned off the lens the birds had flown. Kind of annoying.  So I just
thought maybe over time the problem might have happened to other people.
Thanks for the responses.

Cathy Murrant
Cape Breton NS CA

http://www.capebretonbirds.ca/

On 10/16/2014 3:55 PM, Roy Harvey wrote:
> That's tough.
>
>
> If you had said that in your post to the list you might have received a 
different range of responses. 

>
> - You didn't say if it was a scope or bins.
> - No model stated, there have been at least three scopes (and more 
eyepieces). 

>
> - No mention that it started after being replaced.
>
> You have one bit of leverage when working with Swarovski - their reputation. 
Posting about a problem on BirdChat is the sort of thing that they will HATE, 
so I think you got that part right. Putting your situation out there in greater 
detail could increase your chance of finding someone looking at their scope and 
finding the same problem. It can also possibly gain sympathy, another level. 

>
> My only dealing with Swarovski's service was much simpler, and they went 
overboard (didn't cost them much $$$) to do their best for me. 

>
> When I bought a DSLR I recycled an old camera case from my SLR days (1980's). 
To my horror I discovered that the lining was disintegrating and getting into 
the camera.! Your description reminded me of that. I suggest taking a really 
close look at the case just to be sure. 

>
>
> Sorry I can't be of actual help.  Good luck!
>
>
> Roy Harvey
> Beacon Falls, CT
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Allan and Cathy Murrant 
> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
>
> That's when the problem started.  We sent the scope in for service and
> they changed the rubber eye cup and the new one is shedding rubber
> dust.  They replaced it and the second one does the same. They are
> blaming the scope cover but we have the hard plastic cover on the
> eyepiece and the problem is still happening.  They suggested amourall
> but we are scared of what that will do if it gets on the lens.  We feel
> that they should have not replaced that rubber eye cup there was nothing
> wrong with the one I had.  They say no one else has the problem.  Cathy
>
>
>
>
> On 10/16/2014 11:28 AM, Roy Harvey wrote:
>> Cathy,
>>
>>
>> Swarovski certainly CAN fix it by replacing the rubber, or replacing the 
assembly that includes the rubber. Part of those stratospheric prices is that 
their products aren't supposed to have those sorts of problems. You may need to 
send it to them for the repair, depending on what device is having the problem. 

>>
>> Roy Harvey
>> Beacon Falls, CT
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: kittiwake 
>> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:26 AM
>> Subject: [BIRDCHAT] SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know how to fix a rubber eyepiece that is shedding rubber dust 
over my lens. Sworvoski can fix this because they never heard of the problem. 
Cathy 

>>
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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Subject: The sound of many ducks dabbling (30 second video/sound recording)
From: "B.G. Sloan" <bgsloan3 AT GMAIL.COM>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:53:26 -0400
I went to a local park today where there were large puddles on the lawns.
There were dozens of Mallards dabbling in one puddle looking for food. I
was fascinated by the collective sounds of their bills dabbling in the
water:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8ihIWLfY3U&feature=youtu.be

You might have turn up the volume on your computer a bit to hear the
dabbling sounds at their best...

Bernie Sloan
Highland Park, NJ

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Subject: Front Stopping Migrants
From: "R.D. Everhart" <everhart AT black-hole.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:42:12 -0500
Hey everybody,

    Looking at radar tonight there is a really big movement of birds
in the eastern U.S.. However there is a front moving through Iowa
producing rain that appears to possibly be stopping birds behind it.
This could mean a build up of migrants in southern Minnesota and in
Wisconsin tomorrow morning.

   I've posted a radar image for those interested:

http://minnesotabirdnerd.blogspot.com

   Thursday could be a good birding day behind that front.

Roger Everhart
Apple Valley, MN
 


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Subject: Birding Community E-bulletin - October 2014
From: Barbara Volkle and Steve Moore <barb620 AT THEWORLD.COM>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:37:17 -0400
The October 2014 issue of the Birding Community 
E-bulletin is now available the web, covering 
news and issues relevant to birders.

Please share with birders you know!

Scroll to the bottom for information on how to subscribe directly.

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The October 2014 edition includes the following topics:


RARITY FOCUS
   - Whiskered Tern in Cape May, New Jersey

THE PROBLEM OF LEUCISTIC SANDHILL CRANES
   - while rare, white Sandhill Cranes have been described by
     several observers

ANOTHER CHANCE IN NORTH DAKOTA
   - the effort to respond to ND's oil and gas boom by dedicating
     a portion of the state extraction tax revenue to conservation

ACCESS MATTERS: LOOKING AT YELLOW RAILS
   - the Yellow Rails and Rice Festival (YRARF) in southwest
     Louisiana in late October

NEW MIGRATORY BIRD STAMP ART CHOSEN
   - new artwork to grace the 2015-2016 Migratory Bird Hunting and
     Conservation [Duck] Stamp

SEASONAL CANADIAN LAKES LOON SURVEY
   - more than 700 citizen scientists across Canada monitoring
     loons and their reproductive success

BOOK NOTES: MORE PENGUINS
   - Penguins: the Ultimate Guide is part coffee-table book, part
     informative essays, and part species 
profiles for each of the 18 species

STATE OF THE BIRDS: MIXED MESSAGE
   - a comprehensive review of long-term trend data for U.S. birds -
 
http://www.stateofthebirds.org/ 


THAT PACIFIC MARINE RESERVE
   - expands the existing Pacific Remote Islands Marine
     National Monument to six times its current size

IBA NEWS: 90TH WHSRN SITE
   - the Sistema Tóbari is a Mexican Important 
Bird Area (IBA) site known
     to support large numbers of American Avocets, Marbled Godwits,
     Northern Pintails, and Lesser Scaups

TIP OF THE MONTH: DON'T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT
   - have your guide with you, and don't neglect 
to bring along a specific
     field guide to that family group you are viewing


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Subject: Re: SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
From: Allan and Cathy Murrant <kittiwake AT SEASCAPE.NS.CA>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:21:41 -0300
That's when the problem started.  We sent the scope in for service and
they changed the rubber eye cup and the new one is shedding rubber
dust.  They replaced it and the second one does the same. They are
blaming the scope cover but we have the hard plastic cover on the
eyepiece and the problem is still happening.  They suggested amourall
but we are scared of what that will do if it gets on the lens.  We feel
that they should have not replaced that rubber eye cup there was nothing
wrong with the one I had.  They say no one else has the problem.  Cathy

On 10/16/2014 11:28 AM, Roy Harvey wrote:
> Cathy,
>
>
> Swarovski certainly CAN fix it by replacing the rubber, or replacing the 
assembly that includes the rubber. Part of those stratospheric prices is that 
their products aren't supposed to have those sorts of problems. You may need to 
send it to them for the repair, depending on what device is having the problem. 

>
> Roy Harvey
> Beacon Falls, CT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: kittiwake 
> To: BIRDCHAT AT LISTSERV.KSU.EDU
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:26 AM
> Subject: [BIRDCHAT] SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
>
>
> Does anyone know how to fix a rubber eyepiece that is shedding rubber dust 
over my lens. Sworvoski can fix this because they never heard of the problem. 
Cathy 

>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile

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Subject: SWARVOSKI eyepiece problem
From: kittiwake <kittiwake AT SEASCAPE.NS.CA>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:26:06 -0300
Does anyone know how to fix a rubber eyepiece that is shedding rubber dust over 
my lens.  Sworvoski can fix this because they never heard of the problem. 
 Cathy 


Sent from Samsung Mobile