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Bill and Tom

Hacienda Solimar is no longer owned by the Pacheco Family. In case you need to 
contact the new owners you can write me. 


Saludos
CS
 
C�sar S�nchez M.
Escuela de Biolog�a
Universidad de Costa Rica
Ciudad Universitaria 
San Jos�. Costa Rica.
e-mail: harpyhaliaetus AT yahoo.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Koronkiewicz 
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:07:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NEOORN-L] RFI: Hacienda Solimar


Hilton pond - 
Hacienda Solimar is owed by The Pachenco family.  I stayed at Oscar
Pachenco's ranch in Solimar in 1998 while conducting my bird research
 in
fresh water wetlands.  Family owned, great accommodations, at the time
 -
I seem to recall that the ranch may have been sold, but not sure(?).  

Contact info (from 1998) - I have two phone numbers for Oscar at his
 San
Jose Office-  and , not sure if they are good anymore

Solimar Coords (base map Abangares, Costa Rica quad) from my study
 areas
(note satellites were still "scrambled" back then, so coords may be off
a bit):

Laguna Madrigal (approx. 3.5 km NW of Solimar)
N 10' 17.46
W 85' 9.94 

Laguna Castillo (approx. 1km NE of Solimar)
N 10' 16.54
W 85' 8.80

FYI - Archilochus colubris quite common in the lagunas/wetlands,
especially when the Thalia spp. are in bloom during dry season.

Suerte, 


Tom Koronkiewicz  
SWCA Environmental Consultants  
114 N. San Francisco Street
Flagstaff, Arizona 86001 
office  ext 201
cell   
fax  

 


-----Original Message-----
From: Bulletin Board for Ornithologists working with Neotropical Birds
[mailto:NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Research at Hilton Pond
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:22 PM
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Subject: [NEOORN-L] RFI: Hacienda Solimar

Does anyone have the latitude/longitude coordinates for a place in
Guanacaste Province, Costa Rica called "Hacienda Solimar."

It's mentioned on several Web sites as a great birding spot, but I
 can't
seem to find its exact location or details about food and lodging
 there.

Thanks in advance,

BILL
-- 

RESEARCH PROGRAM
c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
research AT hiltonpond.org,, eFax:

Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at
http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird
Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org

**********




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Hilton pond - 
Hacienda Solimar is owed by The Pachenco family.  I stayed at Oscar
Pachenco's ranch in Solimar in 1998 while conducting my bird research in
fresh water wetlands.  Family owned, great accommodations, at the time -
I seem to recall that the ranch may have been sold, but not sure(?).  

Contact info (from 1998) - I have two phone numbers for Oscar at his San
Jose Office-  and , not sure if they are good anymore

Solimar Coords (base map Abangares, Costa Rica quad) from my study areas
(note satellites were still "scrambled" back then, so coords may be off
a bit):

Laguna Madrigal (approx. 3.5 km NW of Solimar)
N 10' 17.46
W 85' 9.94 

Laguna Castillo (approx. 1km NE of Solimar)
N 10' 16.54
W 85' 8.80

FYI - Archilochus colubris quite common in the lagunas/wetlands,
especially when the Thalia spp. are in bloom during dry season.

Suerte, 


Tom Koronkiewicz  
SWCA Environmental Consultants  
114 N. San Francisco Street
Flagstaff, Arizona 86001 
office  ext 201
cell   
fax  

 


-----Original Message-----
From: Bulletin Board for Ornithologists working with Neotropical Birds
[mailto:NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Research at Hilton Pond
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:22 PM
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Subject: [NEOORN-L] RFI: Hacienda Solimar

Does anyone have the latitude/longitude coordinates for a place in
Guanacaste Province, Costa Rica called "Hacienda Solimar."

It's mentioned on several Web sites as a great birding spot, but I can't
seem to find its exact location or details about food and lodging there.

Thanks in advance,

BILL
-- 

RESEARCH PROGRAM
c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
research AT hiltonpond.org,, eFax:

Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at
http://www.hiltonpond.org "Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird
Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org

**********

C�sar S�nchez M.
Escuela de Biolog�a
Universidad de Costa Rica
Ciudad Universitaria 
San Jos�. Costa Rica.
e-mail: harpyhaliaetus AT yahoo.com

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Dominique Avery 
To: Dominique Avery 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:19:32 AM
Subject: [neotropicalraptors] Ingestion of Spent Lead Ammunition-Second 
Conference Announcement and Call for Papers 











  


    
            








Second Conference Announcement and Call for Papers
 

  
 

Ingestion
of spent lead ammunition:
 

Implications
for wildlife and humans.
 

  
 

Convened
by The Peregrine Fund
 

  
 

12-15
May 2008
 

  
 

At
 Boise State 
 University , Boise , Idaho
 

  
 

The goal of
the conference is to promote a better understanding of ingested spent lead
ammunition as a source of lead exposure and to reduce its effect on wildlife
and humans.
 

  
 

  
 

For details, visit:
http://www.peregrin efund.org/ Lead_conference/
 

  
 

Register
now. Early registration discount
ends 1 March 2008
 

  
 

Submit your papers and posters now.
Abstract deadline 1 March 2008.  
 

  
 

For a flyer
to post on bulletin boards, visit: http://www.peregrin efund.org/ 
Lead_conference/ Flyer%20March08. pdf 

 

  
 

Or contact: The
Peregrine Fund
 

5668 West Flying Hawk Lane
 

Boise, Idaho 83709
 

Tel:
 

E-mail: tpf AT peregrinefund. org
 

  
 

Please forward this announcement to others who may be interested.
Thank you.
 

  
 

Searchable Bibliography is now available: The Peregrine Fund is
compiling a comprehensive selection of articles on lead in wildlife and
humans. The searchable bibliography is available at http://www.peregrin 
efund.org/ lead_conference/ 2008PbConf_ Background. htm 

 This is a work in progress and we are lacking references on the effects
of lead on human health.  If you know of any resources that should be
added to the database please contact Dominique Avery with details. 
davery AT peregrinefun d.org 

 
 

  
 

Lead ammunition in the News: California 
legislature approved a bill to ban the use of lead ammunition within the range
of the California 
population of condors. Visit http://www.abcbirds .org/media/ releases/ 
condorpassed. htm 

for full details.  
 

  
 

In other recent news, a complete ban of lead ammunition for
public hunting on both Fort Hunter Liggett and Camp Roberts 
military bases is being phased in. Visit http://projectgutpi le.blogspot. 
com/2007/ 05/camp-roberts- hunting-program- is-going. html 

for full details. Tejon Ranch has announced a lead ammunition ban that
will go into effect with the 2008 hunting season. Go to their website 
http://tejonranch. com/news/ company_news. asp?article= 70# 

to read the full story.  
 

  
 

  
 

Dominique
Avery
 

Assistant
to the International Programs Director
 

The
Peregrine Fund
 

5668 West Flying Hawk
  Lane
 

Boise , ID 83709
 

 

davery AT peregrinefun d.org
 

www.peregrinefund. org 
 

  
 








    
  

    
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Second Conference Announcement and Call for Papers

 

Ingestion of spent lead ammunition:

Implications for wildlife and humans.

 

Convened by The Peregrine Fund

 

12-15 May 2008

 

At Boise State University, Boise, Idaho

 

The goal of the conference is to promote a better understanding of ingested
spent lead ammunition as a source of lead exposure and to reduce its effect
on wildlife and humans.

 

 

For details, visit: http://www.peregrinefund.org/Lead_conference/

 

Register 
now. Early registration discount ends 1 March 2008

 

Submit
  your papers and posters now. Abstract deadline 1 March 2008.  

 

For a flyer to post on bulletin boards, visit:
http://www.peregrinefund.org/Lead_conference/Flyer%20March08.pdf

 

Or contact: The Peregrine Fund

5668 West Flying Hawk Lane

Boise, Idaho 83709

Tel:

E-mail: tpf AT peregrinefund.org

 

Please forward this announcement to others who may be interested. Thank you.

 

Searchable Bibliography is now available: The Peregrine Fund is compiling a
comprehensive selection of articles on lead in wildlife and humans.  The
searchable bibliography is available at
http://www.peregrinefund.org/lead_conference/2008PbConf_Background.htm  This
is a work in progress and we are lacking references on the effects of lead
on human health.  If you know of any resources that should be added to the
database please contact Dominique Avery with details.
davery AT peregrinefund.org  

 

Lead ammunition in the News: California legislature approved a bill to ban
the use of lead ammunition within the range of the California population of
condors.  Visit http://www.abcbirds.org/media/releases/condorpassed.htm for
full details.  

 

In other recent news, a complete ban of lead ammunition for public hunting
on both Fort Hunter Liggett and Camp Roberts military bases is being phased
in.  Visit
http://projectgutpile.blogspot.com/2007/05/camp-roberts-hunting-program-is-g
oing.html for full details. Tejon Ranch has announced a lead ammunition ban
that will go into effect with the 2008 hunting season.  Go to their website
http://tejonranch.com/news/company_news.asp?article=70# to read the full
story.  

 

 

Dominique Avery

Assistant to the International Programs Director

The Peregrine Fund

5668 West Flying Hawk Lane

Boise, ID 83709


davery AT peregrinefund.org

www.peregrinefund.org   

 

Hola Amigos y Amigas:

Despu�s de mucho trabajo tanto de los autores como traductores y editores,
tenemos lista el 4to Bolet�n de la Red de Rapaces Neotropicales.  Por favor
entren a nuestra p�gina www.neotropicalraptors.org para que lo puedan leer
en su versi�n en espa�ol.   Adem�s hemos mejorado nuestro sitio de Internet,
y a�n seguimos trabajando en �l. Apreciamos sus comentarios y sugerencias
sobre ambos!

Mil gracias a todos los que nos enviaron sus colaboraciones.  De ahora en
adelante pueden hacerlo en cualquier momento, directo a nuestro correo de
contacto, para preparar la siguiente edici�n.

Rieguen la voz, para que muchos m�s lean este bolet�n.

Muchas gracias por su paciencia a todos los que nos preguntaron,  y muchos
saludos,

Magaly Linares
Dominique Avery

Coordinadores de RRN

Dear Friends:

After several weeks of hard work from authors, editors and translators, we
have our 4th edittion of the Neotropical Raptor Network Newsletter ready for
you.  Please visit www.neotropicalraptors.org to read it in English.   We
have also updated this website. We appreciate your comments and
recommendations on both the newsletter and website!

Thanks a lot to all of you that contributed with articles and photos.  Frem
now on you can send us your contributions directly to our contact e-mail
addresses to start working in the next neswletter.

Please tell everybody about this newsletter, and we will have more
enthusiasts!

Thanks for your patience, we know some of your have been waiting for this.

Best wishes,

Magaly Linares
Dominique Avery

NRN Coordinators



-- 
Diego Soler Tovar
MV, MSc (c) Salud y Producci�n Animal
L�nea Microbiolog�a y Epidemiolog�a
Universidad Nacional de Colombia
Asociaci�n de Veterinarios de Vida Silvestre (VVS)
www.veterinariosvs.org
Asociaci�n Colombiana de Ornitolog�a (ACO)
www.ornitologiacolombiana.org

Hi Claudia, there are an article from, i think, Conservation Biology, really at 
these moment i can�t remenber the autor, title or any more keys but i remember 
the context, i have the electronic version for these papper at my house, i can 
send you the next month. 

   
  Peter May  escribi�:
 v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* 
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 This was discussed at some length back in 2005. You can find that thread at 
http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~smithsm/playback.pdf . One of the general 
points to emerge is that there is very little hard scientific research on the 
subject, so many of the generalizations and caveats are based on personal 
experience and intuition. 

   
    Peter May

      
---------------------------------
  
 From: Bulletin Board for Ornithologists working with Neotropical Birds 
[mailto:NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Claudia M�nera 

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:59 AM
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Subject: [NEOORN-L] use/abuse of acoustic signals

   
        Neorn members,

     

 do any of you have information (papers, not published documents, or personal 
knowledge) about the use/abuse of acoustic signals for atracting birds?, I mean 
in a non-scientific context (for example avitourism). 


we have a discussion involving birdwatchers and the use of recording machines 
in the field, if avitourists may or may not use bird calls in order to atract 
them. My personal suggestion is that it may be used out of the breeding season, 
I really want to read more about how the birds can be disturbed by playbacks. 


     

    Thanks in anticipation,

     

     

    Claudia Munera



   
    
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James,

many thanks. Let me add that the Journal is the oldest ornithological 
journal "alive" - the first issue appeared as early as in 1853. Two years 
ago, Springer had already managed to put all the abstracts online, and to 
have every single page accessible through the web now is a luxury!
A little drawback for most colleagues on NEOORN might appear that up to 2002 
it is (almost) completely in German... ;-)
English abstracts are provided from a certain moment on, though.

Best wishes
Stefan Kreft

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Niels:
  Qu� interesante! No lo sab�a. Gracias.
   
  Guillermo

Niels Kaare Krabbe  escribi�:
      Guillermo,
   
  Es bien conocido que buhos grandes atacan a qualquier otro buho.
   
  Niels
  
---------------------------------
  From: Guillermo Gil
Sent: Thu 20/09/2007 16:59
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Subject: [NEOORN-L] RV: Tyto predado



     
  
  Estimados todos:
 Recientemente observ�, creo que por cuarta vez en mi vida, restos de Tyto alba 
predado. Ya sea un plumerio o restos de alas y patas enteras. De las que 
recuerdo bien, una fue en las afueras de Bariloche y ahora en el PN El Palmar. 
En todos los casos fue en �reas naturales silvestres. 

 �Alguno me podr�a comentar cuales son los predadores naturales de esta lechuza 
en latitudes argentinas? Porque me resulta dif�cil imagin�rmelos. 

  Gracias
   
    M.Sc. Guillermo Gil
  Asist�nte T�cnico
  Delegaci�n Regional NEA
  Administraci�n de Parques Nacionales
  Av. Tres Fronteras 183
  Puerto Iguaz� (3370), Misiones, Argentina
  Telefax: /422906




       
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Hi Claudia

 

This was discussed at some length back in 2005. You can find that thread at 
http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~smithsm/playback.pdf 
 . One of the general 
points to emerge is that there is very little hard scientific research on the 
subject, so many of the generalizations and caveats are based on personal 
experience and intuition. 


 

Peter May

________________________________

From: Bulletin Board for Ornithologists working with Neotropical Birds 
[mailto:NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Claudia M�nera 

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:59 AM
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Subject: [NEOORN-L] use/abuse of acoustic signals

 

Neorn members,

 

do any of you have information (papers, not published documents, or personal 
knowledge) about the use/abuse of acoustic signals for atracting birds?, I mean 
in a non-scientific context (for example avitourism). 


we have a discussion involving birdwatchers and the use of recording machines 
in the field, if avitourists may or may not use bird calls in order to atract 
them. My personal suggestion is that it may be used out of the breeding season, 
I really want to read more about how the birds can be disturbed by playbacks. 


 

Thanks in anticipation,

 

 

Claudia Munera

 

________________________________


�S� un mejor ambientalista!
Encuentra consejos para cuidar el lugar donde vivimos en:
http://telemundo.yahoo.com/promos/mejorambientalista.html

Neorn members,

 

do any of you have information (papers, not published documents, or personal 
knowledge) about the use/abuse of acoustic signals for atracting birds?, I mean 
in a non-scientific context (for example avitourism). 


we have a discussion involving birdwatchers and the use of recording machines 
in the field, if avitourists may or may not use bird calls in order to atract 
them. My personal suggestion is that it may be used out of the breeding season, 
I really want to read more about how the birds can be disturbed by playbacks. 


 

Thanks in anticipation,

 

 

Claudia Munera




 
____________________________________________________________________________________ 

�S� un mejor fot�grafo!
Perfecciona tu t�cnica y encuentra las mejores fotos.                       
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Guillermo,

Es bien conocido que buhos grandes atacan a qualquier otro buho.

Niels


From: Guillermo Gil
Sent: Thu 20/09/2007 16:59
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Subject: [NEOORN-L] RV: Tyto predado



Estimados todos:
Recientemente observ�, creo que por cuarta vez en mi vida, restos de Tyto alba 
predado. Ya sea un plumerio o restos de alas y patas enteras. De las que 
recuerdo bien, una fue en las afueras de Bariloche y ahora en el PN El Palmar. 
En todos los casos fue en �reas naturales silvestres. 

�Alguno me podr�a comentar cuales son los predadores naturales de esta lechuza 
en latitudes argentinas? Porque me resulta dif�cil imagin�rmelos. 

Gracias

M.Sc. Guillermo Gil
Asist�nte T�cnico
Delegaci�n Regional NEA
Administraci�n de Parques Nacionales
Av. Tres Fronteras 183
Puerto Iguaz� (3370), Misiones, Argentina
Telefax: /422906

>By the way, do the deep discounts offered by such sellers as Amazon 
>affect the authors financially in any way?

      Nobody - with the exception of the press, I guess - expects to 
make any money by preparing a South American field guide, regardless 
of distributor discounts.

      At last word to me, Princeton University Press had no plans for 
a paper back US edition.


tss





Thomas S. Schulenberg
Field Museum of Natural History
1400 S. Lake Shore Drive
Chicago  IL   60605

voice:  
fax:    ,
email:   tschulenberg AT fieldmuseum.org

http://www.fieldmuseum.org/research_collections/ecp/programs.htm
http://fm1.fieldmuseum.org/collections/search.cgi?dest=birds

Thanks Tom for clarifying the situation (although I'm not sure that
PUP's characterization of birders is quite fair!). It seems silly for
Amazon to put a completely arbitrary delivery date of December 20 but at
least they can't be accused of unwarranted optimism with a date over two
months away.
 
By the way, do the deep discounts offered by such sellers as Amazon
affect the authors financially in any way?
 
Paul Matthews, Ottawa

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Bulletin Board for Ornithologists working with Neotropical
Birds [mailto:NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Schulenberg
	Sent: October 16, 2007 12:39 PM
	To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
	Subject: [NEOORN-L] distribution of "Birds of Peru"
	
	

	Here is what I was told this morning by Princeton University
Press regarding the availability of Birds of Peru:
	
	"There was a printing problem with a batch of the total
run--press slippage which resulted in some fuzzy pages. Since [this was]
discovered... in the advance copies, we held the books up at the
European port and sent them back to the Italian printer to sort out the
bad lot. This all took some time so books only arrived in our warehouse
October 10th. The warehouse needs a little time to process but I'm
guessing orders to stores have gone out recently."
	

	   and
	
	"We missed the date that Amazon had announced on their website
-- October 8 - so they've sent automatic messages to all customers
saying essentially they don't know when they'll have books. Since we
released the book yesterday, Amazon will probably have the book in stock
next week sometime. ...As you know, birders know about these books far
in advance and they want to be the first on their blocks to get them
when ready. They're the kinds of customers who will be enraged to
receive a notice from Amazon that the book won't be coming for another
month."
	

	The authors have nothing to do with the distribution of the
book, and don't know much more about it than do the rest of you. But I
interpret these messages from Princeton University Press to mean that
dire warnings from Amazon.com may be exaggerated, that the press is
aware of distribution "issues", and is doing what it can to resolve
them. Stay tuned.
	
	The US edition is available only in hard cover (ca 1.36 kg). The
British edition (Helm) is available only in soft cover (ca 1.2 kg), and
is being distributed already. On the other hand, the British edition
seems to cost quite a bit more than the US version (at least if one pays
in dollars), so it might be worth waiting a bit to see if the Amazon.com
situation sorts itself out sooner rather than later.
	
	
	tss
	
	
	Thomas S. Schulenberg
	Field Museum of Natural History 
	1400 S. Lake Shore Drive
	Chicago  IL   60605

	voice:  
	fax:    ,
	email:   tschulenberg AT fieldmuseum.org

	http://www.fieldmuseum.org/research_collections/ecp/programs.htm
	http://fm1.fieldmuseum.org/collections/search.cgi?dest=birds

HI:
 I just heard from Princeton University Press. They plan to ship out the
hardcover version to USA sellers this week. No plans yet for a paperback
version for the USA market, maybe in a year or two?

-- 

Ian Paulsen
Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
A.K.A.: "Birdbooker"
"Rallidae all the way!"

I also received the email from Amazon saying it will be delivered in late
December, I will settle down and wait for it before going to PUP online to
buy: Amazon is offering prepublication price of US32.67 (including free
shipping) while the book normally costs US49.50... easy choice for a
Colombian pesos ornithologist ....  :-) .... patience!!
Diego.

On 10/16/07, Paul Matthews  wrote:
>
>  It took a day or so longer, but Amazon.ca is now also indicating an
> expected delivery date of Dec 19-20. Chapters, the big Canadian bookseller,
> lists the book as "temporarily unavailable to order". Buteo Books does not
> have the book yet but claims they'll be getting some any day. ABA (American
> Birding Association) does not list the book. Princeton University Press (the
> publisher) was the only source I could find. (I could cancel my order with
> Amazon.ca but am always leery of ordering from the US as I'm never sure
> what extra costs I'll incur when the package crosses the border.) To use a
> French expression: il faudra prendre son mal en patience.
>
> Paul Matthews, Ottawa
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Bulletin Board for Ornithologists working with Neotropical Birds
> [mailto:NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Listserver
> *Sent:* October 14, 2007 4:09 PM
> *To:* NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [NEOORN-L] "Birds of Peru"
>
> Hola,
>
> Amazon.com just sent me a note that the estimated arrival date has been
> postponed to December 20th in the US.
>
> All the best
> Bennett
>
> Bennett Hennessey
> Director
> Asociacion Armonia
> Santa Cruz de la Sierra
> Bolivia
> abhennessey AT armonia-bo.org
>
>
> Andres M Cuervo wrote:
>
> The book is not yet out in the States so I've had to steel Dan Lane's copy
> here in LSU more than a few times just to see it. All I can add to Robin's
> review is that if birders and ornithologists alike working in Per� wished
> having a field guide like Hilty's Birds of Colombia in the late eighties and
> early nineties, its the turn for us Colombians to wish, beg, and implore a
> book like the one Peruvians now have. Especially for being up-to-date and
> highly accurate at all levels which is not surprising given the authors'
> complementary knowledge and perfectionism. An exquisite example of the value
> of combining museum, collecting, and field expertises. They just know the
> birds really well!
> My two cents, Andr�s.
>
> --
> Andr�s M. Cuervo
> Department of Biological Sciences
> LSU Museum of Natural Science
> 119 Foster Hall
> Louisiana State University
> Baton Rouge, LA 70803, U.S.A.
> tel:
> fax:
>
>
>
>
> Robin Restall wrote:
>
> "Birds of Peru" a review.
>
> As the apparent reluctance of folk to offer reviews of new books
> continues, here is my take on the lo-o-o-o-o-ong-awaited "Birds of Peru".
>
> The edition I have is in the Helm Field Guides series published in the UK,
> but North American readers will have the (I think) Princeton Field Guide
> version � a different, but equally recognizable cover. The book was
> conceived in 1974 by the illustrious duo of John O'Neill and Ted Parker.
> Larry McQueen was soon drawn into the team, and the book really got off the
> ground. The work stopped when tragically, Ted Parker was involved in a fatal
> plane accident in 1993. After I guess a decade or so, during which time the
> book lay quietly in the vaults at LSU and in the minds of John and Larry, a
> new team of great talent gradually coalesced and the project was re-born.
> Believe me, for those of us that knew about the book, and those that have
> heard about it, that seemingly endless wait is over, and it was truly worth
> waiting for.
>
> This is a field guide that raises the bar yet again. The plates are
> superb, the text perfect, the only regret � and this is not a criticism � is
> that the book is inevitably thick and heavy, and is back-pack equipment, not
> side pocket of a jacket or cargo pants. All the essential introductory
> chapters are there, but tight, concise, and like the species accounts, with
> not a wasted word. Of 656 pages, there are a whopping 606 pages of
> traditional field guide pages � species accounts on one side, the
> appropriate birds on the plate opposite.
>
> The pages of species accounts are each headed with a short, relevant
> introduction. There are usually six species to a page, occasionally five, or
> seven. (Plus a line for the English name, the scientific binomial and
> approximate total length in centimeters and inches. Subspecies are not
> named, and are only touched on when significantly different � the binomial
> carries an asterisk in the cases of such species.) This gives something like
> 90 words of tight text for each species that concentrates on what the
> observer needs to know in the field. There are notes referring to
> description, but these are always relevant field marks, or about confusion
> species. Notes on vocalizations are succinct and very good.
>
> The credited authors of the book are Tom Schulenberg, Doug Stotz, Dan
> Lane, John O'Neil and the late Ted Parker, all top ranking ornithologists
> that have obviously put quality and thoroughness before deadlines, and the
> results show in the book.
>
> The plates ought to be a dog's dinner, since there are no less than
> thirteen, yes 13, artists credited on the title page, five of them are
> credited as being the principal illustrators � Dale Dyer, Dan Lane, Larry
> McQueen, John O'Neill and John Schmitt. There are differences in styles, and
> the size of reproduction compared with size of the original differs from
> some sets of plates to others. The greatest contrast can readily be seen by
> comparing the exquisitely detailed tempura portraits of toucans by John
> O'Neill on plate 124, with the gentle, almost impressionistic watercolours
> of piculets by Larry McQueen on the following plate, 125. The 9cm in life
> Lafresnaye's Piculet is actually shown in a larger image than the 31cm
> Golden-collared Toucanet. There are also a few examples where different
> artists � with different styles � are combined on the same plate. I said the
> plates ought to be a dog's dinner, and have shown why, but the amazing thing
> is that they are not. They all work extremely well, and as a small-time
> illustrator myself, I fully appreciate what has gone into these plates,
> sincerely admire them and the artists that painted them, and I am more than
> a little envious.
>
> I have not used the book in the field, and I understand that Amazon.comhas 
announced that the publisher's deliveries are running late, so I guess 

> few people have had the chance to buy it and try it yet. That being so, I
> suggest that anybody even thinking of birding in Peru should order the book
> now. I have no doubt it will sell very well and might be difficult to obtain
> before long. I look forward to reading more educated reviews from more
> qualified people than me in the future.
>
> Robin Restall
> Caracas, Venezuela
>
>
>
>


-- 
DIEGO CALDERON FRANCO
Instituto de Biologia - Universidad de Antioquia
Sociedad Antioque�a de Ornitologia

-------------
YA VI� EL NUEVO N�MERO DEL BOLETIN SAO?
http://www.sao.org.co/publicaciones/boletinsao/Boletin%20sao.htm

Here is what I was told this morning by Princeton University Press regarding
the availability of Birds of Peru:

"There was a printing problem with a batch of the total run--press slippage
which resulted in some fuzzy pages. Since [this was] discovered... in the
advance copies, we held the books up at the European port and sent them back
to the Italian printer to sort out the bad lot. This all took some time so
books only arrived in our warehouse October 10th. The warehouse needs a
little time to process but I'm guessing orders to stores have gone out
recently."

   and

"We missed the date that Amazon had announced on their website -- October 8
- so they've sent automatic messages to all customers saying essentially
they don't know when they'll have books. Since we released the book
yesterday, Amazon will probably have the book in stock next week sometime.
...As you know, birders know about these books far in advance and they want
to be the first on their blocks to get them when ready. They're the kinds of
customers who will be enraged to receive a notice from Amazon that the book
won't be coming for another month."

The authors have nothing to do with the distribution of the book, and don't
know much more about it than do the rest of you. But I interpret these
messages from Princeton University Press to mean that dire warnings from
Amazon.com may be exaggerated, that the press is aware of distribution
"issues", and is doing what it can to resolve them. Stay tuned.

The US edition is available only in hard cover (ca 1.36 kg). The British
edition (Helm) is available only in soft cover (ca 1.2 kg), and is being
distributed already. On the other hand, the British edition seems to cost
quite a bit more than the US version (at least if one pays in dollars), so
it might be worth waiting a bit to see if the Amazon.com situation sorts
itself out sooner rather than later.


tss

Thomas S. Schulenberg
Field Museum of Natural History 1400 S. Lake Shore Drive
Chicago  IL   60605

voice:  
fax:    ,
email:   tschulenberg AT fieldmuseum.org

http://www.fieldmuseum.org/research_collections/ecp/programs.htm
http://fm1.fieldmuseum.org/collections/search.cgi?dest=birds

It took a day or so longer, but Amazon.ca is now also indicating an expected 
delivery date of Dec 19-20. Chapters, the big Canadian bookseller, lists the 
book as "temporarily unavailable to order". Buteo Books does not have the book 
yet but claims they'll be getting some any day. ABA (American Birding 
Association) does not list the book. Princeton University Press (the publisher) 
was the only source I could find. (I could cancel my order with Amazon.ca but 
am always leery of ordering from the US as I'm never sure what extra costs I'll 
incur when the package crosses the border.) To use a French expression: il 
faudra prendre son mal en patience. 

 
Paul Matthews, Ottawa

	-----Original Message-----
 From: Bulletin Board for Ornithologists working with Neotropical Birds 
[mailto:NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Listserver 

	Sent: October 14, 2007 4:09 PM
	To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
	Subject: Re: [NEOORN-L] "Birds of Peru"
	
	
	Hola,
	
 Amazon.com just sent me a note that the estimated arrival date has been 
postponed to December 20th in the US. 

	
	All the best
	Bennett
	
	Bennett Hennessey
	Director
	Asociacion Armonia
	Santa Cruz de la Sierra
	Bolivia
	abhennessey AT armonia-bo.org
	
	
	Andres M Cuervo wrote: 

 The book is not yet out in the States so I've had to steel Dan Lane's copy 
here in LSU more than a few times just to see it. All I can add to Robin's 
review is that if birders and ornithologists alike working in Per� wished 
having a field guide like Hilty's Birds of Colombia in the late eighties and 
early nineties, its the turn for us Colombians to wish, beg, and implore a book 
like the one Peruvians now have. Especially for being up-to-date and highly 
accurate at all levels which is not surprising given the authors' complementary 
knowledge and perfectionism. An exquisite example of the value of combining 
museum, collecting, and field expertises. They just know the birds really well! 

		My two cents, Andr�s.
		
		
		-- 
		Andr�s M. Cuervo
		Department of Biological Sciences
		LSU Museum of Natural Science
		119 Foster Hall
		Louisiana State University
		Baton Rouge, LA 70803, U.S.A.
		tel:
		fax:
		  

		
		
		Robin Restall wrote: 

			"Birds of Peru" a review. 
			
 As the apparent reluctance of folk to offer reviews of new books continues, 
here is my take on the lo-o-o-o-o-ong-awaited "Birds of Peru". 

			
 The edition I have is in the Helm Field Guides series published in the UK, but 
North American readers will have the (I think) Princeton Field Guide version - 
a different, but equally recognizable cover. The book was conceived in 1974 by 
the illustrious duo of John O'Neill and Ted Parker. Larry McQueen was soon 
drawn into the team, and the book really got off the ground. The work stopped 
when tragically, Ted Parker was involved in a fatal plane accident in 1993. 
After I guess a decade or so, during which time the book lay quietly in the 
vaults at LSU and in the minds of John and Larry, a new team of great talent 
gradually coalesced and the project was re-born. Believe me, for those of us 
that knew about the book, and those that have heard about it, that seemingly 
endless wait is over, and it was truly worth waiting for. 

			
 This is a field guide that raises the bar yet again. The plates are superb, 
the text perfect, the only regret - and this is not a criticism - is that the 
book is inevitably thick and heavy, and is back-pack equipment, not side pocket 
of a jacket or cargo pants. All the essential introductory chapters are there, 
but tight, concise, and like the species accounts, with not a wasted word. Of 
656 pages, there are a whopping 606 pages of traditional field guide pages - 
species accounts on one side, the appropriate birds on the plate opposite. 

			
 The pages of species accounts are each headed with a short, relevant 
introduction. There are usually six species to a page, occasionally five, or 
seven. (Plus a line for the English name, the scientific binomial and 
approximate total length in centimeters and inches. Subspecies are not named, 
and are only touched on when significantly different - the binomial carries an 
asterisk in the cases of such species.) This gives something like 90 words of 
tight text for each species that concentrates on what the observer needs to 
know in the field. There are notes referring to description, but these are 
always relevant field marks, or about confusion species. Notes on vocalizations 
are succinct and very good. 

			
 The credited authors of the book are Tom Schulenberg, Doug Stotz, Dan Lane, 
John O'Neil and the late Ted Parker, all top ranking ornithologists that have 
obviously put quality and thoroughness before deadlines, and the results show 
in the book. 

			
 The plates ought to be a dog's dinner, since there are no less than thirteen, 
yes 13, artists credited on the title page, five of them are credited as being 
the principal illustrators - Dale Dyer, Dan Lane, Larry McQueen, John O'Neill 
and John Schmitt. There are differences in styles, and the size of reproduction 
compared with size of the original differs from some sets of plates to others. 
The greatest contrast can readily be seen by comparing the exquisitely detailed 
tempura portraits of toucans by John O'Neill on plate 124, with the gentle, 
almost impressionistic watercolours of piculets by Larry McQueen on the 
following plate, 125. The 9cm in life Lafresnaye's Piculet is actually shown in 
a larger image than the 31cm Golden-collared Toucanet. There are also a few 
examples where different artists - with different styles - are combined on the 
same plate. I said the plates ought to be a dog's dinner, and have shown why, 
but the amazing thing is that they are not. They all work extremely well, and 
as a small-time illustrator myself, I fully appreciate what has gone into these 
plates, sincerely admire them and the artists that painted them, and I am more 
than a little envious. 

			
 I have not used the book in the field, and I understand that Amazon.com has 
announced that the publisher's deliveries are running late, so I guess few 
people have had the chance to buy it and try it yet. That being so, I suggest 
that anybody even thinking of birding in Peru should order the book now. I have 
no doubt it will sell very well and might be difficult to obtain before long. I 
look forward to reading more educated reviews from more qualified people than 
me in the future. 

			
			Robin Restall 
			Caracas, Venezuela 
			
			

Hi all,

I agree with all points. This just to remind everyone that many song  
collections currently for sale can be put onto one's iPod. Even  
better, xeno-canto.org hosts over 14,000 recordings that can be  
freely downloaded. As with the commercial recordings, data  
corresponding with these recordings can be viewed in iPods.

And if I may highlight a feature maybe not known to all: on xeno- 
canto you can also download and print sonogram checklists for desired  
regions, habitats, families, and so on.
Always up to date, and a nice reference to song diversity of the  
avifauna one will visit.

To be clear: I have a heavy - though not financial - interest in xeno- 
canto :-)

cheers,
Bob Planque

NEOORN

All points thus far are well taken. Cost will come down. I see many people in 
the field with expense fragile?? optics as well as digital cameras and digital 
recorders so a digital field guide seems to follow the trend. 

The advantage I see is the ability to have ready access to songs/calls (ipod 
based song programs are popular) and many more plates/photos. 


Oh, I have no financial interest in this just curious. If it takes batteries I 
generally leave it in the car. 


Jack 
Jack Clinton Eitniear
 

"We will be known forever by the tracks we leave" Dakota Indian Saying

Preferred E-mail Addresses:
TOS correspondence �editor AT texasbirds.org
CSTB correspondence jce AT cstbinc.org
Personal e-mail �jackeitniear AT yahoo.com

Ellen reminds me that I also should have disclosed that I was paid a flat fee 
for my role in the development of Handheld Birds (no royalties). 


I have found this product on the PDA most useful when teaching birding classes 
in the field. Although the variety of songs available for each species is 
small, I find it helpful to play a song of a bird that I am trying to point out 
to students, helping them hear it better. 


Allen Chartier
amazilia1 AT comcast.net
1442 West River Park Drive
Inkster, MI  48141
Website: http://www.amazilia.net
Michigan HummerNet: http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet
===============================================
Every day, the hummingbird eats its own weight in food.
You may wonder how it weighs the food. It doesn't.
It just eats another hummingbird.
---Steven Wright
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ellen Paul 
  To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:54 AM
  Subject: [NEOORN-L] field guides in the digital age???


 HandHeld birds is a great product, and I am proud to have had some small role 
in its development (in the interest of full disclosure, I received a small fee 
for my work, but you all know me well enough to know that if I didn't think it 
was good, I'd say so). The only problem is the cost. The data card alone is 
$250 or so. If you don't already own a Palm Pilot, you have to buy the whole 
package for about $400 (it has come down from the original price of $500). 


 Generally, I have the same view of a PDA-based product as I have of the GPS 
and GPS-enabled Blackberry that have been surgically attached to Tim's hand: 
more stuff to lose, more stuff to break, more stuff to carry, more stuff to get 
stolen, more stuff that needs batteries. So you go into the field with all this 
extra stuff, but you still have to carry the maps and such because you could 
lose it, break it, whatever. The batteries will die when you've got no spares 
(Murphy's Law) and you are in the middle of nowhere. And I'd never go into the 
field without a field guide anyway, so the PDA is just not important. 


 We bought used copies of the Colombia, Ecuador, and Mexican field guides, had 
the plates removed and professionally bound. The big book stays in the car, 
tent, hotel and the plates go with us. They fit nicely into a small Pajaro. 


 But were it a choice of DVD v. PDA-type device, I'd choose the latter any day 
of the week. DVDs are too easily damaged, among other drawbacks. 


  Ellen
  -------------


  Ellen Paul 
  Executive Director 
  The Ornithological Council 
  Mailto:ellen.paul AT verizon.net 
  "Providing Scientific Information about Birds"
  Ornithological Council: http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET 


  James Lowen wrote: 
Europe has the same for a PDA - with the excellent Collins guide digitalised.

But I'm with Nacho: you can't beat a book.

James

On 15/10/2007, Allen Chartier  wrote:
  Jack,

The "Handheld Birds" product from National Geographic definitely heads in
this direction. All the illustrations, plus vocalizations, plus supplemental
text, of the current NGS field guide for North America is available for your
PDA (Palm Pilot). It would seem that field guides for other countries could
be done the same way.

Allen Chartier
amazilia1 AT comcast.net
1442 West River Park Drive
Inkster, MI  48141
Website: http://www.amazilia.net
Michigan HummerNet: http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet
===============================================
Every day, the hummingbird eats its own weight in food.
You may wonder how it weighs the food. It doesn't.
It just eats another hummingbird.
---Steven Wright


----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Eitniear
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [NEOORN-L] field guides in the digital age???

NEOORN

A frequent comment on recent books is that they are too bulky for taking
into the field. I have to wonder when hard copy books will be replaced with
DVDs that can be taken into the field and read with small portable DVD
players. On a DVD one could play vocalizations and not just read about them
and have 1000s of images!
I have seen a few plant ID DVDs that while not outstanding did have 1000s of
color images which was pretty impressive. .

Any comments?

Jack
Jack Clinton Eitniear
CSTB inc.

    

  

Europe has the same for a PDA - with the excellent Collins guide digitalised.

But I'm with Nacho: you can't beat a book.

James

On 15/10/2007, Allen Chartier  wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> The "Handheld Birds" product from National Geographic definitely heads in
> this direction. All the illustrations, plus vocalizations, plus supplemental
> text, of the current NGS field guide for North America is available for your
> PDA (Palm Pilot). It would seem that field guides for other countries could
> be done the same way.
>
> Allen Chartier
> amazilia1 AT comcast.net
> 1442 West River Park Drive
> Inkster, MI  48141
> Website: http://www.amazilia.net
> Michigan HummerNet: http://www.amazilia.net/MIHummerNet
> ===============================================
> Every day, the hummingbird eats its own weight in food.
> You may wonder how it weighs the food. It doesn't.
> It just eats another hummingbird.
> ---Steven Wright
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Eitniear
> To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [NEOORN-L] field guides in the digital age???
>
> NEOORN
>
> A frequent comment on recent books is that they are too bulky for taking
> into the field. I have to wonder when hard copy books will be replaced with
> DVDs that can be taken into the field and read with small portable DVD
> players. On a DVD one could play vocalizations and not just read about them
> and have 1000s of images!
> I have seen a few plant ID DVDs that while not outstanding did have 1000s of
> color images which was pretty impressive. .
>
> Any comments?
>
> Jack
> Jack Clinton Eitniear
> CSTB inc.
>


-- 
James Lowen
Photos at: http://www.pbase.com/james_lowen
Editor, Neotropical Birding: http://www.neotropicalbirdclub.org/neobirding.html

Skype name: jamesandsharonlowen
Skype-In tel: 
Alternative tel: 

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Karla P�rez

Bill

Hda. Solimar is a fairly large place, more than 7000 ha. Now, although I don't 
have the coordintes, the closest town ca. 2 miles away is Porosal, whose 
coordinates are Latitude10.2667Longitude-85.2000Altitude (feet)121 


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Lat (DMS)10� 16' 0NLong (DMS)85� 12' 0WAltitude (meters)36
See the link here: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/CS/3/Porosal2.html

Hope it helps

 
C�sar S�nchez M.
Escuela de Biolog�a
Universidad de Costa Rica
Ciudad Universitaria 
San Jos�. Costa Rica.
e-mail: harpyhaliaetus AT yahoo.com

----- Original Message ----
From: Research at Hilton Pond 
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:21:58 PM
Subject: [NEOORN-L] RFI: Hacienda Solimar

Does anyone have the latitude/longitude coordinates for a place in 
Guanacaste Province, Costa Rica called "Hacienda Solimar."

It's mentioned on several Web sites as a great birding spot, but I 
can't seem to find its exact location or details about food and 
lodging there.

Thanks in advance,

BILL
-- 

RESEARCH PROGRAM
c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
research AT hiltonpond.org,, eFax:

Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org
"Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org

**********





       

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Jack,

The "Handheld Birds" product from National Geographic definitely heads in this 
direction. All the illustrations, plus vocalizations, plus supplemental text, 
of the current NGS field guide for North America is available for your PDA 
(Palm Pilot). It would seem that field guides for other countries could be done 
the same way. 


Allen Chartier
amazilia1 AT comcast.net
1442 West River Park Drive
Inkster, MI  48141
Website: http://www.amazilia.net
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Every day, the hummingbird eats its own weight in food.
You may wonder how it weighs the food. It doesn't.
It just eats another hummingbird.
---Steven Wright
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jack Eitniear 
  To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU 
  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [NEOORN-L] field guides in the digital age???


  NEOORN

 A frequent comment on recent books is that they are too bulky for taking into 
the field. I have to wonder when hard copy books will be replaced with DVDs 
that can be taken into the field and read with small portable DVD players. On a 
DVD one could play vocalizations and not just read about them and have 1000s of 
images! 

 I have seen a few plant ID DVDs that while not outstanding did have 1000s of 
color images which was pretty impressive. . 


  Any comments? 

  Jack 
  Jack Clinton Eitniear
  CSTB inc. 

I had an opportunity to do some in field comparisons
with a bunch of recorders and some different
microphones in Monteverde Costa Rica this spring. 
Recorders used were the Edirol R-09, the M-Audio
Microtrack, the Fostex FR-2LE, Marantz PMD-660, and a
I-river h-120 running Rockbox. I will get a right up
done on these in the next few days and share it with
everyone. A quick review is the extra money for the
Fostex and the Marantz is worth it and even though
bigger than the others the extra weight is worth it
also. 
Aaron
--- James Lowen  wrote:

> Dear NEOORNers
> 
> In the light of recent requests about
> sound-recording equipment on
> this forum, some might be interested in what seems
> rather a neat
> review of available options. (It might even help
> bring me out of the
> Bronze ages; I'm still using 12 year old tape and
> mic...)
> 
>

http://www.surfbirds.com/blog/tomstips/5214/Tools+for+Attracting+the+Unknown...Field+Recorders+and+Shotgun+Mics.html 

> 
> James
> 
> 
> -- 
> James Lowen
> Photos at: http://www.pbase.com/james_lowen
> Editor, Neotropical Birding:
> http://www.neotropicalbirdclub.org/neobirding.html
> 
> Skype name: jamesandsharonlowen
> Skype-In tel: 
> Alternative tel: 
> 



CHECK OUT www.custommarimba.com 

For marimba, mbira, mallets, and hosho.

I can kick and soak my books in the field, so far I cannot kick or step on my 
DVDs, iPod, laptop or most other devices. My books don't run out of batteries 
and do not emmit strange radiations to my eyes. The electronical devices are 
most of the time so expensive that cannot be afforded by many researchers and 
birders in the Neotropics. With a book in the middle of nowhere you can still 
feel like you belong to nature, a PDF in a computer can hardly do that. Some 
few good reasons for supporting books. 

Cheers,

             Nacho

JUAN IGNACIO ARETA 

CICyTTP-CONICET 
Materi & Espa�a 
Diamante (3105) 
Entre R�os 
Argentina 

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con algo, pero no todo tiene que ver con todo" 



----- Mensaje original ----
De: Research at Hilton Pond 
Para: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Enviado: lunes 15 de octubre de 2007, 21:43:35
Asunto: Re: [NEOORN-L] field guides in the digital age???

While not a DVD player, an iPod with a color screen performs this 
same function. They can store thousands of photos and sounds of your 
own choosing--including what you might select from a DVD--and are 
very handy to use in the field.

There is at least one commercial product called "birdJam" that has 
bird song and photo collections for the iPod. See 
http://www.birdjam.com/welcome

Best wishes,

BILL


>A frequent comment on recent books is that they are too bulky for 
>taking into the field. I have to wonder when hard copy books will be 
>replaced with DVDs that can be taken into the field and read with 
>small portable DVD players. On a DVD one could play vocalizations 
>and not just read about them and have 1000s of images!
>I have seen a few plant ID DVDs that while not outstanding did have 
>1000s of color images which was pretty impressive. .
>
>Any comments?
>
>Jack
>Jack Clinton Eitniear
>CSTB inc.


-- 

RESEARCH PROGRAM
c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
research AT hiltonpond.org,, eFax:

Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org
"Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org

**********







 
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While not a DVD player, an iPod with a color screen performs this 
same function. They can store thousands of photos and sounds of your 
own choosing--including what you might select from a DVD--and are 
very handy to use in the field.

There is at least one commercial product called "birdJam" that has 
bird song and photo collections for the iPod. See 
http://www.birdjam.com/welcome

Best wishes,

BILL


>A frequent comment on recent books is that they are too bulky for 
>taking into the field. I have to wonder when hard copy books will be 
>replaced with DVDs that can be taken into the field and read with 
>small portable DVD players. On a DVD one could play vocalizations 
>and not just read about them and have 1000s of images!
>I have seen a few plant ID DVDs that while not outstanding did have 
>1000s of color images which was pretty impressive. .
>
>Any comments?
>
>Jack
>Jack Clinton Eitniear
>CSTB inc.


-- 

RESEARCH PROGRAM
c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
research AT hiltonpond.org,, eFax:

Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org
"Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org

**********

NEOORN

A frequent comment on recent books is that they are too bulky for taking into 
the field. I have to wonder when hard copy books will be replaced with DVDs 
that can be taken into the field and read with small portable DVD players. On a 
DVD one could play vocalizations and not just read about them and have 1000s of 
images! 

I have seen a few plant ID DVDs that while not outstanding did have 1000s of 
color images which was pretty impressive. . 


Any comments? 

Jack 
Jack Clinton Eitniear
CSTB inc. 
 

Does anyone have the latitude/longitude coordinates for a place in 
Guanacaste Province, Costa Rica called "Hacienda Solimar."

It's mentioned on several Web sites as a great birding spot, but I 
can't seem to find its exact location or details about food and 
lodging there.

Thanks in advance,

BILL
-- 

RESEARCH PROGRAM
c/o BILL HILTON JR. Executive Director
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History
1432 DeVinney Road, York, South Carolina 29745 USA
research AT hiltonpond.org,, eFax:

Please visit our web sites (courtesy of Comporium.net):
Hilton Pond Center for Piedmont Natural History at http://www.hiltonpond.org
"Operation RubyThroat: The Hummingbird Project" at http://www.rubythroat.org

**********

Naturally I am most grateful for the kind words by Robin Restal, Andres 
Cuervo, and others.  Today I ordered 30 copies from Princeton,with 
shipping assured within 24 hrs.  So, I'm not sure why it will take 
Amazon so long to get copies. -John O'Neill
________________________________________________________________________
Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - 
http://mail.aol.com

Dear NEOORNers

In the light of recent requests about sound-recording equipment on
this forum, some might be interested in what seems rather a neat
review of available options. (It might even help bring me out of the
Bronze ages; I'm still using 12 year old tape and mic...)


http://www.surfbirds.com/blog/tomstips/5214/Tools+for+Attracting+the+Unknown...Field+Recorders+and+Shotgun+Mics.html 


James


-- 
James Lowen
Photos at: http://www.pbase.com/james_lowen
Editor, Neotropical Birding: http://www.neotropicalbirdclub.org/neobirding.html

Skype name: jamesandsharonlowen
Skype-In tel: 
Alternative tel: 

I would be interested in the PDF, also, if available.

Thanks,
Tim Brush
University of Texas-Pan American
Edinburg, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: Bulletin Board for Ornithologists working with Neotropical Birds
[mailto:NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Cox
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:51 AM
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Subject: [NEOORN-L] Paper request

Hi,
  My library cannot seem to get a hold of the following paper.  If
anyone
could forward me a pdf or knows a place that might have it, it would be
greatly appreciated.

Milat J.A. and J.F. Klimaitis. 1993.  Nidificacion y comportamiento
reproductivo del Pitiayumi (Parula Pitiayumi) en Magdalena, Buenos
Aires.
Mus. Ornitol. Munic. Berisso Publicacion 5:1-15

Andrew Cox
University of Missouri - Columbia

Hi,
  My library cannot seem to get a hold of the following paper.  If anyone
could forward me a pdf or knows a place that might have it, it would be
greatly appreciated.

Milat J.A. and J.F. Klimaitis. 1993.  Nidificacion y comportamiento
reproductivo del Pitiayumi (Parula Pitiayumi) en Magdalena, Buenos Aires.
Mus. Ornitol. Munic. Berisso Publicacion 5:1-15

Andrew Cox
University of Missouri - Columbia

Sent

>I'm looking this papers. May someone help me to get them?
>These are:    COTINGA 28, Autumn 2007.

Dear Neorners!   
  I'm looking this papers. May someone help me to get them?
  These are:    COTINGA 28, Autumn 2007.
     
  Revisions in antbird taxonomy
   
  How many species of Common Bush-tanager in Mesoamerica ?
   
  Genetic study of the New World quail
   
  How many genera of New World jays ?
   
   
  Kind Regards,
   
  Oswaldo Cortes
  Grupo de observadores de aves de Soata

       
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Aprende todo sobre asados en:
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Let's not overlook that for Brazil, there is already a guide available in 
Portuguese, by D. Souza. It has also been published in English. 

 
Frederik

________________________________

From: Bulletin Board for Ornithologists working with Neotropical Birds on 
behalf of Robin Restall 

Sent: Sun 10/14/2007 8:01 PM
To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
Subject: [NEOORN-L] Birds of Peru



>
>   To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU=20
>   Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:52 AM
>   Subject: [NEOORN-L] "Birds of Peru"
>
>
>   *************
>   Does this book give the Spanish common names?
>
>   Carol in Mayan territory

No, Carol. Only English and Scientific names.

A tiny consolation is that there are Spanish language versions of field
guides in planning for Colombia and venezuela, and I'd hope that
Ecuador and peru won't be too far behind. I understand there are
several guides in Portuguese actually in progress.


Robin

  >   *************
  >   Does this book give the Spanish common names?
  >
  >  
 No, Carol. Only English and Scientific names.A tiny consolation is that there 
are Spanish language versions of field 

  guides in planning for Colombia and venezuela, and I'd hope that 
  Ecuador and peru won't be too far behind. I understand there are 
  several guides in Portuguese actually in progress.

  ***********
 Thank you so much for responding. I guess it will be the Handbook of the Birds 
of the World for some time to come...if you're rich. Each Volume is $250. I 
scrounged together enough for Volume 5 which covers hummingbirds. 

  Carol in Mayan territory
  gretagarbo AT movistar.com.gt
  www.monterey-bay.net/birds




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>
>   To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU=20
>   Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:52 AM
>   Subject: [NEOORN-L] "Birds of Peru"
>
>
>   *************
>   Does this book give the Spanish common names?
>
>   Carol in Mayan territory

No, Carol. Only English and Scientific names.

A tiny consolation is that there are Spanish language versions of field 
guides in planning for Colombia and venezuela, and I'd hope that 
Ecuador and peru won't be too far behind. I understand there are 
several guides in Portuguese actually in progress.


Robin

Hola Andres,

ON THE LIST: Rodolphe is the first name, Meyer de Schauensee the family name. 
Should be cited as "Meyer de Schauensee, R.". 


Right, NEOORNers?

Best
Stefan Kreft
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andres M Cuervo 
  To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:39 PM
  Subject: [NEOORN-L] Meyer de Schauensee


  NEOORN:

 I have a dilemma about the correct form for citing works by Rodolphe Meyer de 
Schauensee. People commonly cite him as "Meyer de Schauensee", less frequently 
as "de Schauensee". Yet the former curator of birds at the ANSP cited his own 
works in the latter form, thus I think that's the most accurate way to do so. 
Sorry for the slightly off topic question; I welcome any thoughts off the list. 


  Thanks,
  Andr�s.

-- 
Andr�s M. Cuervo
Department of Biological Sciences
LSU Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall
Louisiana State University
Baton Rouge, LA 70803, U.S.A.
tel:
fax:

I recommend the HummZinger feeders that you can find at Wild Birds Unlimited
in the USA - or on their web site:
http://www.aspectsinc.com/2_Hummingbird.htm

I use from one to twelve at my place in southern Brazil.  At the peak of the
hummingbird season they can drink ~8 liters each day.  The bees cannot
really get to the liquid, but sometimes they are around.  But, since they
can�t get to the liquid, they don�t stay long and don�t bother the
hummingbirds.  There are other feeders that use a bottle suspended upside
down into the feeder, and the bees will find the water that rises at the
neck of the bottle, so they are not perfect.  But, a simple screen can be
put around the neck of the bottle to keep the bees away from the neck and
that usually does the trick.  Any of the feeders that have a side opening
for the birds to drink will have a bee problem.

Cheers,

Jim

On 10/13/07, Abrahamczyk, Stefan <
Stefan.Abrahamczyk AT biologie.uni-goettingen.de> wrote:
>
> Hummingbird feeder
>
>
>
>
>
> I am going to conduct a project on pollinator diversty in Bolivien.
> Amongst
> others I am going to use hummingbird feeders for attract hummingbirds.
> During
> the first tests my feeders were occupied by great numbers of bees. Now I
> suspect that the hummingbirds will not accept feeders which are invaded by
> bees. Is there any possibility to make my feeders unatractive to bees but
> not
> to hummingbirds?
>
>
>
>
> Stefan Abrahamczyk
>
> Santa Cruz, Bolivia
>



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>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Robin Restall
>   To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU
>   Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:52 AM
>   Subject: [NEOORN-L] "Birds of Peru"
>
>
>   �Birds of Peru� a review.
>   *************
>   Does this book give the Spanish common names?
>
>   Carol in Mayan territory
>   gretagarbo AT movistar.com.gt
>   www.monterey-bay.net/birds
>
>


Paul Sweet
Collection Manger
Department of Ornithology
American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West & 79th St
New York, NY 10024

Tel:
Fax:

You should try to find a feeder that keeps the nectar level lower than 
the bees can reach.  There are several that will do this, including Dr. 
JBs, and the flat, dish-like feeder which you can fill only half-full 
so insects can't reach the nectar but the hummers can.  You can mix the 
sugar and water at a lower concentration, 5 to one instead of 4 to one, 
which is the normal amount.  Hummers won't like the low sugar content, 
but the bees (in the USA anyway) usually leave it alone.  Feeders that 
have some distance between the portal and the nectar are the best 
option, but, of course, insects will be around the feeders to get the 
drippings from hummers, too.

Cathie Hutcheson
Makanda, IL  USA
On Oct132007, at 1:38 PM, Abrahamczyk, Stefan wrote:

>  Hummingbird feeder
>
>
>
>
>
> I am going to conduct a project on pollinator diversty in Bolivien. 
> Amongst
> others I am going to use hummingbird feeders for attract hummingbirds. 
> During
> the first tests my feeders were occupied by great numbers of bees. Now 
> I
> suspect that the hummingbirds will not accept feeders which are 
> invaded by
> bees. Is there any possibility to make my feeders unatractive to bees 
> but not
> to hummingbirds?
>
>
>
>
> Stefan Abrahamczyk
>
> Santa Cruz, Bolivia

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robin Restall 
  To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU 
  Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:52 AM
  Subject: [NEOORN-L] "Birds of Peru"


  �Birds of Peru� a review.
  *************
  Does this book give the Spanish common names?

  Carol in Mayan territory
  gretagarbo AT movistar.com.gt
  www.monterey-bay.net/birds

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Abrahamczyk, Stefan 
  To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU 
  Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:38 PM
  Subject: [NEOORN-L] hummingbird feeder


  . Is there any possibility to make my feeders unatractive to bees but not
  to hummingbirds?

  ***********
 If you go to Amazon.com and look at hummingbird feeders you will find some 
that have bee bonnets on them that prevent to a large extent bees from being 
able to access the nectar (although they don't necessarily stop trying) but the 
hummers can use them and often just whisk the bees away with their wings. 

  Carol in Mayan territory
  gretagarbo AT movistar.com.gt
  www.monterey-bay.net/birds





  Stefan Abrahamczyk

  Santa Cruz, Bolivia

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 Hummingbird feeder





I am going to conduct a project on pollinator diversty in Bolivien. Amongst
others I am going to use hummingbird feeders for attract hummingbirds. During
the first tests my feeders were occupied by great numbers of bees. Now I
suspect that the hummingbirds will not accept feeders which are invaded by
bees. Is there any possibility to make my feeders unatractive to bees but not
to hummingbirds?




Stefan Abrahamczyk

Santa Cruz, Bolivia

�Birds of Peru� a review.

As the apparent reluctance of folk to offer reviews of new books 
continues, here is my take on the lo-o-o-o-o-ong-awaited �Birds of 
Peru�.

The edition I have is in the Helm Field Guides series published in the 
UK, but North American readers will have the (I think) Princeton Field 
Guide version � a different, but equally recognizable cover. The book 
was conceived in 1974 by the illustrious duo of John O�Neill and Ted 
Parker. Larry McQueen was soon drawn into the team, and the book really 
got off the ground. The work stopped when tragically, Ted Parker was 
involved in a fatal plane accident in 1993. After I guess a decade or 
so, during which time the book lay quietly in the vaults at LSU and in 
the minds of John and Larry, a new team of great talent gradually 
coalesced and the project was re-born. Believe me, for those of us that 
knew about the book, and those that have heard about it, that seemingly 
endless wait is over, and it was truly worth waiting for.

This is a field guide that raises the bar yet again. The plates are 
superb, the text perfect, the only regret � and this is not a criticism 
� is that the book is inevitably thick and heavy, and is back-pack 
equipment, not side pocket of a jacket or cargo pants. All the 
essential introductory chapters are there, but tight, concise, and like 
the species accounts, with not a wasted word. Of 656 pages, there are a 
whopping 606 pages of traditional field guide pages � species accounts 
on one side, the appropriate birds on the plate opposite.

The pages of species accounts are each headed with a short, relevant 
introduction. There are usually six species to a page, occasionally 
five, or seven. (Plus a line for the English name, the scientific 
binomial and approximate total length in centimeters and inches. 
Subspecies are not named, and are only touched on when significantly 
different � the binomial carries an asterisk in the cases of such 
species.) This gives something like 90 words of tight text for each 
species that concentrates on what the observer needs to know in the 
field. There are notes referring to description, but these are always 
relevant field marks, or about confusion species. Notes on 
vocalizations are succinct and very good.

The credited authors of the book are Tom Schulenberg, Doug Stotz, Dan 
Lane, John O�Neil and the late Ted Parker, all top ranking 
ornithologists that have obviously put quality and thoroughness before 
deadlines, and the results show in the book.

The plates ought to be a dog�s dinner, since there are no less than 
thirteen, yes 13, artists credited on the title page, five of them are 
credited as being the principal illustrators � Dale Dyer, Dan Lane, 
Larry McQueen, John O�Neill and John Schmitt. There are differences in 
styles, and the size of reproduction compared with size of the original 
differs from some sets of plates to others. The greatest contrast can 
readily be seen by comparing the exquisitely detailed tempura portraits 
of toucans by John O�Neill on plate 124, with the gentle, almost 
impressionistic watercolours of piculets by Larry McQueen on the 
following plate, 125. The 9cm in life Lafresnaye�s Piculet is actually 
shown in a larger image than the 31cm Golden-collared Toucanet. There 
are also a few examples where different artists � with different styles 
� are combined on the same plate. I said the plates ought to be a dog�s 
dinner, and have shown why, but the amazing thing is that they are not. 
They all work extremely well, and as a small-time illustrator myself, I 
fully appreciate what has gone into these plates, sincerely admire them 
and the artists that painted them, and I am more than a little envious.

I have not used the book in the field, and I understand that Amazon.com 
has announced that the publisher�s deliveries are running late, so I 
guess few people have had the chance to buy it and try it yet. That 
being so, I suggest that anybody even thinking of birding in Peru 
should order the book now. I have no doubt it will sell very well and 
might be difficult to obtain before long. I look forward to reading 
more educated reviews from more qualified people than me in the future.

Robin Restall
Caracas, Venezuela

http://elibrary.unm.edu/sora/Auk/v103n01/p0204-p0206.pdf
Best
Alberto
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andres M Cuervo 
  To: NEOORN-L AT LISTSERV.LSU.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:39 PM
  Subject: [NEOORN-L] Meyer de Schauensee


  NEOORN:

 I have a dilemma about the correct form for citing works by Rodolphe Meyer de 
Schauensee. People commonly cite him as "Meyer de Schauensee", less frequently 
as "de Schauensee". Yet the former curator of birds at the ANSP cited his own 
works in the latter form, thus I think that's the most accurate way to do so. 
Sorry for the slightly off topic question; I welcome any thoughts off the list. 


  Thanks,
  Andr�s.

-- 
Andr�s M. Cuervo
Department of Biological Sciences
LSU Museum of Natural Science
119 Foster Hall
Louisiana State University
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Neoorners- please bring this to the attention of qualified students- Obrigado!

 

PhD graduate assistantship for a Brazilian student - please forward

 

I have an opportunity available for a Brazilian (no exceptions) to work on a 
PhD at Louisiana State University, with fieldwork to be conducted at the 
Biological Dynamics of Forest Fragments Project, near Manaus. The student will 
be involved in ongoing bird research at the BDFFP, especially spot-mapping, 
mist netting, and radiotracking birds in continuous forest, fragments, and 
second growth, but will also need to develop an independent project on some 
aspect of ecology of birds in a fragmented landscape. The ideal candidate will 
be prepared to learn the avifauna of the site, willing to develop a creative 
dissertation topic that fits into the existing bird research program, and able 
to handle classwork and writing in English (� por isso que estou fazendo esta 
mensagem em ingl�s). Base-level funding is in place, but the student may need 
to pursue additional support depending on his or her research. The BDFFP 
handles infrastructure and logistics of fieldwork at the field sites (see 
http://pdbff.inpa.gov.br/). The BDFFP is based at INPA, providing students with 
the opportunity for lab work and interaction with INPA researchers and 
students, including an active ornithology program under the direction of Dr. 
Mario Cohn-Haft. Several other faculty and students at LSU are also involved 
with the BDFFP, and many more work elsewhere in the Neotropics, making LSU an 
excellent place to study tropical biology (it also has a climate like Amazonia 
for much of the year). 


 

The position will be available beginning in January of 2008, although the 
student could begin slightly later. For more information, see my website 
(below), then contact me directly. Do not apply directly to LSU. Note that the 
GRE and TOEFL will need to be done before any application can be made. 


 

Phil Stouffer

School of Renewable Natural Resources

Louisiana State University

Baton Rouge, LA USA

http://www.rnr.lsu.edu/pstouffer/default.htm

pstouffer at LSU. edu

 

 

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Philip C. Stouffer

Associate Professor

School of Renewable Natural Resources

RNR 227 (mail)  329 (office)

Louisiana State University

Baton Rouge, LA 
, fax 4227, pstouffer at lsu dot edu

http://www.rnr.lsu.edu/pstouffer/default.htm

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Dear friends and members of NEOORN,

I am seeking information regarding iron toxicity in hummingbirds, although I 
may have to broaden beyond this narrow topic to get started. Does anyone have 
experience in this area, or perhaps point me in the right direction? Thanks in 
advance. 



Ross Hawkins
THE HUMMINGBIRD SOCIETY