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23 May Etna Night Flight - 22 May, Early AM ["Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" ] 22 May Hunterdon NJ flight May 21 [Rob Fergus ] 21 May Re: Big flight last night in NJ ["Bill Evans" ] 21 May Re: Big flight last night in NJ [Corey Husic ] 21 May Fwd: [cayugabirds-l] Great night flight calls ["Kenneth V. Rosenberg" ] 21 May Fwd: [cayugabirds-l] Great night flight calls ["Kenneth V. Rosenberg" ] 21 May Big flight last night in NJ [Rob Fergus ] 10 May Central New Jersey night flight [e kent ] 25 Apr RE: Convert mp3 recording to wav file for Oldbird autodetection? [Rob Fergus ] 25 Apr Convert mp3 recording to wav file for Oldbird autodetection? [Rob Fergus ] 17 Apr Savannah Sparrow question [Laura Gooch ] 10 Apr Re: Fwd: Understanding radar and quantifying migration [Ted Floyd ] 9 Apr First night if 2013 [birdchaser AT hotmail.com ] 9 Apr Fwd: Understanding radar and quantifying migration ["Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" ] 4 Apr Possible DICK call, 4 April 2012 [Nathan DeBruine ] 29 Mar Re: Ebird and NFC protocol [Paul Hurtado ] 8 Mar RE: NFC Protocol - more ["John Kearney" ] 7 Mar Re:NFC Protocol - more [Andrew Farnsworth ] 2 Mar RE: NFC protocol redux ["John Kearney" ] 1 Mar NFC protocol redux [Andrew Farnsworth ] 22 Feb Re: help with a mystery call from a few years back ["Michael O'Brien" ] 22 Feb RE: help with a mystery call from a few years back ["Caitlin Coberly" ] 23 Feb Re: help with a mystery call from a few years back [Kenneth Victor Rosenberg ] 22 Feb help with a mystery call from a few years back [Andy Martin ] 21 Feb Re: Ebird and NFC protocol [Matthew Sarver ] 21 Feb On the utility of avian acoustic study at wind energy facilities [Bill Evans ] 21 Feb Re: Ebird and NFC protocol ["W. Douglas Robinson" ] 21 Feb Re: Ebird and NFC protocol [Magnus Robb ] 21 Feb Re: Ebird and NFC protocol [Andrew Farnsworth ] 20 Feb RE: Ebird and NFC protocol [Rob Fergus ] 20 Feb Ebird and NFC protocol [Laurent Fournier ] 14 Feb A Thanks re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? [Andy Martin ] 8 Feb Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? [Ted Floyd ] 8 Feb Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? [Benjamin Van Doren ] 8 Feb Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? [Wil Hershberger ] 8 Feb Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? ["JeP" ] 8 Feb Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? ["Benjamin M. Clock" ] 8 Feb Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? [Andrew Albright ] 8 Feb Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? [Tim Krein ] 8 Feb Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? [Andy Martin ] 7 Nov Re: mystery flight calls [Jay K ] 7 Nov mystery flight calls [Matt Goff ] 3 Nov RE: Any help appreciated [John Kearney ] 3 Nov Re: Any help appreciated [Andrew Albright ] 3 Nov Any help appreciated [John Kearney ] 2 Nov ID Help - Thanks ["Laura C. Gooch" ] 2 Nov ID Help [Laura Gooch ] 30 Oct Re: Nice night flight underway right now: Blackwater Falls State Park, Tucker County, WV [Ted Floyd ] 28 Oct RE: Nice night flight underway right now: Blackwater Falls State Park, Tucker County, WV [Rob Fergus ] 27 Oct Nice night flight underway right now: Blackwater Falls State Park, Tucker County, WV [Ted Floyd ] 24 Oct Re: Assistance with call id ["Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" ] 24 Oct Assistance with call id ["Soehren, Eric C." ] 18 Oct ADMIN: Raven Pro Software Discount ­– 10th Anniversary Celebration ["Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" ] 16 Oct RE: Nocturnal finch calls [Jeff Wells ] 15 Oct Nocturnal finch calls [] 14 Oct Re: Call ID? ["Michael O'Brien" ] 12 Oct Re: A couple of unknown calls [] 12 Oct Call ID? [Wil Hershberger ] 11 Oct Re: Light migration over Hunterdon Co, NJ last night [Tim Krein ] 11 Oct A couple of unknown calls [] 11 Oct Light migration over Hunterdon Co, NJ last night [Rob Fergus ] 9 Oct Re: Night Flight - Upstate NY [Kenneth Victor Rosenberg ] 9 Oct Night Flight - Upstate NY ["Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" ] 5 Oct Re: Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples [Linda Orkin ] 5 Oct bizarre acoustic experience [Jeff Wells ] 5 Oct Re: Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples [Andrew Albright ] 5 Oct Re: Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples [Laurent Fournier ] 4 Oct Re: Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples [Laura Gooch ] 4 Oct Mystery LF Call ["Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" ] 4 Oct Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples ["Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" ] 4 Oct help with sparrow from Sept. 25 [Caleb Putnam ] 4 Oct sounds of morning fallout in Maine [Jeff Wells ] 4 Oct Etna, NY: BICKNELL'S THRUSH - 10/4/2012 ["Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" ] 4 Oct Etna, NY: Dickcissel - 10/4/2012 ["Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" ] 3 Oct Re: Eastern Meadowlark NFCs [Jay K ] 3 Oct Eastern Meadowlark NFCs [Bill Hubick ] Subject: Etna Night Flight - 22 May, Early AM From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4 AT cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 01:07:31 +0000 This morning, I started listening and recording in Etna, NY, just after midnight, following the passage of a line of thunderstorms and rain showers. Predominant species for the ~5 hours of recording was SWAINSON'S THRUSH. Probably a good two hundred or more calls were produced in between the remaining rain showers. Other species of interest that were vocally present included: GRAY-CHEEKED THRUSH (4), ALDER FLYCATCHER (2), BLACK-BILLED CUCKOO (12+), YELLOW-BILLED CUCKOO (1), SCARLET TANAGER (1), Common Yellowthroat (several calls and a handful in song), Yellow Warbler (one in song), Chipping Sparrow (local in song), VEERY (2), WOOD THRUSH (at least 2), ROSE-BREASTED GROSBEAK (a few), plus a good number of other miscellaneous warbler calls that I haven't taken time to ID to species. In the process of installing my microphone I tore the medial meniscus in my right knee, so I think I'll be doing much more night listening rather than early AM birding for the rest of this spring! Good birding! Sincerely, Chris T-H -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Hunterdon NJ flight May 21 From: Rob Fergus <birdchaser AT hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:41:35 -0400 I listened from 9:40-11:20 last night and things seemed slow so I went to bed. I guess I didn't appreciate the magnitude of the flight (even though it looked good on NEXRAD) as I ended up with 712 Thrush-X detections and 379 Tseep-X detections over night. Mostly Swainson's Thrush with a handfull of Gray-cheeked Thrush. Still a lot of analyzing to do, but so far best birds are singing Alder Flycatcher (locally scarce migrant) and Willow Flycatcher (new yard bird). Only shorebird detections so far are either Spotted or Solitary. A few of both cuckoos, but perhaps more buried in the recording that will appear with more analysis. Lots of Swainson's were on the ground this morning, including singing in my yard and a half dozen singing at a nearby park. This is probably the last big week of migration here, but a good one so far as long as you have a mic and don't have to try and find all these birds on the ground :-) Rob FergusHunterdon County, NJhttp://birdchaser.blogspot.com -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Big flight last night in NJ From: "Bill Evans" <wrevans AT clarityconnect.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 16:14:48 -0400 583 warbler and sparrow calls logged in west-central NY (Alfred, NY) last night – this may be a high nightly tally for that station in spring (n= 5). Zeep ~50% Double-up ~10% American Redstart ~5% Canada Warbler ~4% Common Yellowthroat ~3% Chestnut-sided ~2% Savannah Sparrow ~2% Cape May ~1% Black-throated Blue, Ovenbird, Mourning Warbler, & Northern Waterthrush <1% Calls downloadable at: http://www.oldbird.org/Data/2013/Alfred/alfred_station.htm -Bill E From: Rob Fergus Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:32 AM To: nfc-l AT list.cornell.edu Subject: [nfc-l] Big flight last night in NJ I listened through my OldBird 21c mic last night from 10pm-12:30am, and just finished running the Thrush-X and Tseep-X detectors on the recording from 10pm--3:30am (at which point for some reason my recorder shut off). 598 Thrush-X detections and 891 Tseep-X detections. I will process the file visually in RavenPro later, but some highlights... Lesser Yellowlegs (new yard bird) Black-crowned Night Heron (new year bird) Sora (new yard bird, new year bird, local rarity on ground--though probably had one last week and haven't processed the recording yet) Bobolink Black-billed Cuckoo--at least 5 detected while I was listening Yellow-billed Cuckoo--2, including one I heard at 2:30am through an open window as I was getting in bed Gray-cheeked Thrush--at least 8, will check a couple to see if they are actually high enough to be Bicknell's Lots of yellowthroats, redstarts, and yellow/blackpoll type calls. It's been a tough migration, with lots of bad nights, but last night was one of the better nights! Rob Fergus Hunterdon County, NJ http://birdchaser.blogspot.com -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Big flight last night in NJ From: Corey Husic <fitzbew AT ptd.net> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Here in eastern PA, I too had an excellent night of listening. Unfortunately the treefrogs and spring peepers were quite loud last night. Nevertheless, in about 30 minutes of listening around midnight, I tallied close to 100 yellow/blackpoll type calls, three Yellow-billed Cuckoos, a couple of Indigo Buntings, Scarlet Tanagers, Swainson's and Gray-cheeked Thrushes, Veery, and a single Virginia Rail. Corey Husic Monroe County, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Fergus" To: nfc-l AT list.cornell.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 8:32:46 AM Subject: [nfc-l] Big flight last night in NJ I listened through my OldBird 21c mic last night from 10pm-12:30am, and just finished running the Thrush-X and Tseep-X detectors on the recording from 10pm--3:30am (at which point for some reason my recorder shut off). 598 Thrush-X detections and 891 Tseep-X detections. I will process the file visually in RavenPro later, but some highlights... Lesser Yellowlegs (new yard bird) Black-crowned Night Heron (new year bird) Sora (new yard bird, new year bird, local rarity on ground--though probably had one last week and haven't processed the recording yet) Bobolink Black-billed Cuckoo--at least 5 detected while I was listening Yellow-billed Cuckoo--2, including one I heard at 2:30am through an open window as I was getting in bed Gray-cheeked Thrush--at least 8, will check a couple to see if they are actually high enough to be Bicknell's Lots of yellowthroats, redstarts, and yellow/blackpoll type calls. It's been a tough migration, with lots of bad nights, but last night was one of the better nights! Rob Fergus Hunterdon County, NJ http://birdchaser.blogspot.com -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird ! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Fwd: [cayugabirds-l] Great night flight calls From: "Kenneth V. Rosenberg" <kvr2 AT cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:42:44 +0000 Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: "Kenneth V. Rosenberg" > Date: May 21, 2013 12:19:46 AM EDT To: CAYUGABIRDS-L > Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Great night flight calls Reply-To: "Kenneth V. Rosenberg" > One of my best spring listening for night flight calls is happening now - in the past 15 minutes I've heard nearly 50 thrushes (mostly Swainsons), 6 BLACK-BILLED CUCKOOS, AMERICAN BITTERN, SOLITARY and SPOTTED SANDPIPERS, etc. Ken Sent from my iPhone -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Fwd: [cayugabirds-l] Great night flight calls From: "Kenneth V. Rosenberg" <kvr2 AT cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 12:42:16 +0000 Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: "Kenneth V. Rosenberg" > Date: May 21, 2013 12:19:46 AM EDT To: CAYUGABIRDS-L > Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Great night flight calls Reply-To: "Kenneth V. Rosenberg" > One of my best spring listening for night flight calls is happening now - in the past 15 minutes I've heard nearly 50 thrushes (mostly Swainsons), 6 BLACK-BILLED CUCKOOS, AMERICAN BITTERN, SOLITARY and SPOTTED SANDPIPERS, etc. Ken Sent from my iPhone -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Big flight last night in NJ From: Rob Fergus <birdchaser AT hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 08:32:46 -0400 I listened through my OldBird 21c mic last night from 10pm-12:30am, and just finished running the Thrush-X and Tseep-X detectors on the recording from 10pm--3:30am (at which point for some reason my recorder shut off). 598 Thrush-X detections and 891 Tseep-X detections. I will process the file visually in RavenPro later, but some highlights... Lesser Yellowlegs (new yard bird)Black-crowned Night Heron (new year bird)Sora (new yard bird, new year bird, local rarity on ground--though probably had one last week and haven't processed the recording yet)BobolinkBlack-billed Cuckoo--at least 5 detected while I was listeningYellow-billed Cuckoo--2, including one I heard at 2:30am through an open window as I was getting in bedGray-cheeked Thrush--at least 8, will check a couple to see if they are actually high enough to be Bicknell's Lots of yellowthroats, redstarts, and yellow/blackpoll type calls. It's been a tough migration, with lots of bad nights, but last night was one of the better nights! Rob Fergus Hunterdon County, NJhttp://birdchaser.blogspot.com -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Central New Jersey night flight From: e kent <benchofrushes AT yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:16:05 -0700 I assume folks from New Jersey are too busy picking their jaws from off the floor to mail the list today.... As expected, the weather patterns finally opened the gates.  I've recorded only inconsistently for a few years, but last night contains, by far, the largest amount of "hits" I've ever seen.    I hope someone less awestruck than myself can provide more commentary beyond gushing....   After a couple weeks of "noise" "noise" "noise" last night provides Page after Page after Page of sights like this:  http://home.comcast.net/~buile/birdhits.jpg Regards, Eric Kent East Windsor, NJ -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: RE: Convert mp3 recording to wav file for Oldbird autodetection? From: Rob Fergus <birdchaser AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:58:41 -0400 Nathan DeBruine came to the rescue recommending NCH Audio Sound File Converter...seems to have done the trick! Very slick piece of software. Thanks! Rob FergusHunterdon County, NJhttp://birdchaser.blogspot.com On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Rob Fergus wrote: So I'm recording NFCs with my Oldbird mic, using Easy Hi-Q recorder, and somehow my settings got switched from recording as a mono, 22050 sampling rate, 16 bit, wav files to recording stereo, 44100, 16 bit mp3 files. So for the last few nights I now have recordings that I can't run through the Tseep-X and Thrush-X autodetection programs. I've been playing around with Audacity, but can't seem to figure out how to convert the mp3 file to a wav file that will work. Anyone have experience with this? Thanks in advance! Rob FergusHunterdon County, NJhttp://birdchaser.blogspot.com -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Convert mp3 recording to wav file for Oldbird autodetection? From: Rob Fergus <birdchaser AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:24:34 -0400 So I'm recording NFCs with my Oldbird mic, using Easy Hi-Q recorder, and somehow my settings got switched from recording as a mono, 22050 sampling rate, 16 bit, wav files to recording stereo, 44100, 16 bit mp3 files. So for the last few nights I now have recordings that I can't run through the Tseep-X and Thrush-X autodetection programs. I've been playing around with Audacity, but can't seem to figure out how to convert the mp3 file to a wav file that will work. Anyone have experience with this? Thanks in advance! Rob FergusHunterdon County, NJhttp://birdchaser.blogspot.com -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Savannah Sparrow question From: Laura Gooch <lgooch AT alum.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 06:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Does anyone have any wisdom to share about why such a high fraction of my detections right now (and also last fall in one time segment) are Savannah Sparrows? I'm in Cleveland Heights, Ohio, just east of Cleveland about 8 km south of Lake Erie. Savannahs are not among the more commonly reported species here. They are rarely banded at the banding station a couple of km from my house. Yet, of 384 sparrow calls detected in the data I've had time to analyze since April 4, 80 have been Savannah Sparrows. The only species with more detections has been Chipping Sparrows. I gather that Savannah Sparrows are also over-represented at other stations. Mark Shieldcastle mentioned that the same thing was observed last fall by Bill Evan's monitoring stations at Black Swamp Bird Observatory in western Ohio, and I remember seeing a passing mention of this on this list in the past. I can think of several possible explanations: greater calling frequency, louder calls, lower flight altitude. Has anyone got other thoughts or some actual data to share? A sidelight: I've finally gotten fast enough at IDs and gained enough confidence to feel like I'm getting at least some of them right to start posting data as I analyze it. Here's link to the site: http://listeningup.wordpress.com/summary-of-night-flight-calls-detected/ What I've had time to do so far is fairly crude, but the information is there. Wordpress seems to be in a bad mood this morning, and it won't update my graph, but I had 47 warbler/sparrow frequency detections last night. Thanks for any insights into the Savannah question. Laura Gooch -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Fwd: Understanding radar and quantifying migration From: Ted Floyd <tfloyd AT aba.org> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 08:55:38 -0600 Hi, all. If you just can't get enough from Andrew Farnsworth ([?]), try this: http://www2.aba.org/page.aspx?pid=696 Farnsworth provides 8 tips for "Learning to Appreciate Nocturnal Flight Calls," and he provides a bunch of flight calls for us to listen to. I note that the link above requires an ABA login. So, assuming that not all of you have ABA logins, I paste below the full text. Ted Floyd, Colorado, tfloyd AT aba.org Andrew Farnsworth’s Expert Advice for Learning to Appreciate Flight Calls Lots of people ask how they can best begin to appreciate flight calls. I have a few suggestions. *1. Commit to It.* To really learn flight calls, commit yourself to spending a lot of time awake at night, outside, staring up at the sky. *[image: Magnolia Warbler Spectrogram] **2. Start with Sounds You Know.* Stick with calls that you hear both day and night, such as the distinctive flight calls of the Dickcissel , Bobolink , andUpland Sandpiper. The suite of sounds from these species is a great way to get started. *3. Do Some Homework.* Extensively review Bill Evans and Michael O’Brien’s seminal identification guide on CD-ROM: *Flight Calls of Migratory Birds: Eastern North American Landbirds* . Listening to the calls * and* looking at the sound spectrograms is critical to learning. Tuning your ear to very subtle variation in flight call frequencies, modulations, and durations is tricky, and using visual representations (the spectrograms) gives your aural discrimination a boost by adding the visual information. * Seeing* that a Magnolia Warbler has a modulated flight call (see sound spectrogram, right and *hearing* the same call is very important for the learning process. *4. Tune in to Common Nocturnal Vocalizers.* After that initial suite of diurnal and nocturnal vocalizers, get to know some widespread and common nocturnal vocalizers, such as the Savannah Sparrow and Swainson’s Thrush . Because these species give flight calls day and night, this suite of sounds can be a big confidence booster: “Hey, I know that sound, I heard it during the day!” Starting with common sounds gives you a reference frame. Then you can branch into more esoteric ground. And you’ll need to do some heavy-duty birding at “morning flight” locations. Any time you can spend time in the field seeing birds in migration and hearing them produce flight calls, do it! Arizona’s San Pedro River Valley, Higbee Beach in New Jersey, Matagorda Island in Texas, and Florida’s Green Key funnel are all great places to see and hear. *5. Get Away from Urban Areas—or Not.* Get away from urban areas if you want to experience the sound of nocturnal migration without much human interference. I realize, though, that it is more and more difficult to do this. If you are not a purist, and you are willing to take advantage of what is probably a type of alarm behavior, station yourself in a well lit and sporadically noisy place like, say, Hackensack, New Jersey, in May on a night with warm southerly winds. The passing air traffic from Newark frequently stimulates birds to vocalize, and you might hear a Gray-cheeked Thrush, an American Redstart , or a Yellow-billed Cuckoo. Also, the surrounding lights of humanity that color the night sky close to urban centers, and punctuate the sky in many places, can actually stimulate migration. One epic case is the Tribute in Light September 11 memorial in Manhattan. One of the most amazing nights of flight calling in recent history in the northeastern U.S. occurred there in 2011. I had the good fortune of running a recording device, which documented tens of thousands of calls from birds flying around the beams of light. *6. Focus on the Fall.* Generally, fall migration is a time of much higher calling activity, presumably because there are simply more birds aloft and many of these birds are young birds that appear to vocalize more frequently. *7. Pick Your Time.* Choose the best time of night for the species you want to hear. Numerous studies have shown a peak in calling activity in the hours just before dawn, but the peaks in calling vary by species. The pre-dawn hours are no doubt the best hours to hear *Catharus* thrushes, sometimes by the thousands. However, calling activity can be excellent throughout the evening depending on prevailing local and regional wind and weather conditions. *8. Branch Out.* Good places to listen are surprisingly many and varied. September and October mornings at the dike at Cape May’s Higbee Beach can be a spectacular opportunity to see migration in action (the “morning flight”) and hear flight calls while observing birds. Spring on Florida’s Atlantic coast on southwesterly winds can be exceptional as birds pile up along the coast. This might be one of the best places in May to hear Bicknell’s Thrush flight calls in migration. I’ve yet to experience an epic night, but *Birding* Editor Ted Floyd tells me about great calling activity in Colorado just east of the Rockies (I’m itching to go!); Ted reports strong eastbound Chipping Sparrow flights as early as late July. September and October off the coast of California on the Channel Islands can have some exceptional Swainson’s Thrush flights. April and May along riparian corridors in southern Arizona can also be productive. **Andrew Farnsworth’s research on and passion for nocturnal flight calls were featured in 2012 in *The Wall Street Journal*. Click here to read the article. * * Back to the *Birding* WebExtras > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes < cth4 AT cornell.edu> wrote: > I thought the link below might be of interest to some on this eList. > > Good night listening as the season ramps up! > > Sincerely, > Chris T-H > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Christopher Leighton Wood > *Date: *April 9, 2013 5:25:23 PM EDT > *To: *CAYUGABIRDS-L > *Subject: **[cayugabirds-l] Understanding radar and quantifying migration > * > *Reply-To: *Christopher Leighton Wood > > At last night's very well attended Cayuga Bird Club meeting at the > Cornell Lab of Ornithology, David Nicosia gave an overview of birds and > weather. There was a question about quantifying how many migrants are > moving in relation to radar. I mentioned some Sid Gauthreaux and Carroll > Belser's work at Clemson to develop a calibration curve for interpreting > radar reflectivity in comparison with Lowery's classic moonwatching work. I > also promised some additional information for those interested. Andrew > Farnsworth has posted a primer on understanding radar and birds that > discusses this and other aspects of radar and birds. > > http://birdcast.info/forecast/understanding-birds-and-radar/ > > Cheers, > Chris > > Christopher Wood > eBird Project Leader > Cornell Lab of Ornithology > http://ebird.org > http://birds.cornell.edu > -- > *Cayugabirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > > > --**** > Chris Tessaglia-Hymes**** > Listowner, NFC-L**** > Ithaca, New York**** > cth4 AT cornell.edu**** > NFC-L – Archives > **** > NFC-L – Welcome and Basics * > *** > NFC-L – Rules and Information > **** > NFC-L – Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > > -- > *NFC-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: First night if 2013 From: birdchaser AT hotmail.com <birdchaser@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:07:16 -0400 Last night I started recording for the season. Over 100 detections, mostly sparrows. Great to be back in the saddle! Rob Fergus Hunterdon Co, NJ Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2013 5:54 pm Subject: [nfc-l] Fwd: Understanding radar and quantifying migration To: "NFC-L" I thought the link below might be of interest to some on this eList. Good night listening as the season ramps up! Sincerely, Chris T-H Begin forwarded message: From: Christopher Leighton Wood > Date: April 9, 2013 5:25:23 PM EDT To: CAYUGABIRDS-L > Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Understanding radar and quantifying migration Reply-To: Christopher Leighton Wood > At last night's very well attended Cayuga Bird Club meeting at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology, David Nicosia gave an overview of birds and weather. There was a question about quantifying how many migrants are moving in relation to radar. I mentioned some Sid Gauthreaux and Carroll Belser's work at Clemson to develop a calibration curve for interpreting radar reflectivity in comparison with Lowery's classic moonwatching work. I also promised some additional information for those interested. Andrew Farnsworth has posted a primer on understanding radar and birds that discusses this and other aspects of radar and birds. http://birdcast.info/forecast/understanding-birds-and-radar/ Cheers, Chris Christopher Wood eBird Project Leader Cornell Lab of Ornithology http://ebird.org http://birds.cornell.edu -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Chris Tessaglia-Hymes Listowner, NFC-L Ithaca, New York cth4 AT cornell.edu NFC-L – Archives NFC-L – Welcome and Basics NFC-L – Rules and Information -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Fwd: Understanding radar and quantifying migration From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4 AT cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 21:54:18 +0000 I thought the link below might be of interest to some on this eList. Good night listening as the season ramps up! Sincerely, Chris T-H Begin forwarded message: From: Christopher Leighton Wood > Date: April 9, 2013 5:25:23 PM EDT To: CAYUGABIRDS-L > Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Understanding radar and quantifying migration Reply-To: Christopher Leighton Wood > At last night's very well attended Cayuga Bird Club meeting at the Cornell Lab of Ornithology, David Nicosia gave an overview of birds and weather. There was a question about quantifying how many migrants are moving in relation to radar. I mentioned some Sid Gauthreaux and Carroll Belser's work at Clemson to develop a calibration curve for interpreting radar reflectivity in comparison with Lowery's classic moonwatching work. I also promised some additional information for those interested. Andrew Farnsworth has posted a primer on understanding radar and birds that discusses this and other aspects of radar and birds. http://birdcast.info/forecast/understanding-birds-and-radar/ Cheers, Chris Christopher Wood eBird Project Leader Cornell Lab of Ornithology http://ebird.org http://birds.cornell.edu -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Chris Tessaglia-Hymes Listowner, NFC-L Ithaca, New York cth4 AT cornell.edu NFC-L – Archives NFC-L – Welcome and Basics NFC-L – Rules and Information NFC-L – Subscribe, Configuration and Leave -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Possible DICK call, 4 April 2012 From: Nathan DeBruine <nathandebruine AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:16:38 -0400 Hi all- This morning at 8:17 AM, 4 April 2013, I recorded the call that is attached to this email as a .WAV file, using my Evans-style flowerpot microphone with a Knowles element, piped into my home computer running Raven Pro 1.5. My immediate impression was and still remains Dickcissel, which would be extremely rare here this time of year. NRWS is the only other call I can think of that stands a chance, and still doesn't match up nearly as well as DICK. I would really appreciate getting other opinions on this call. Thanks in advance! Nathan DeBruine Greenville, MI -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Ebird and NFC protocol From: Paul Hurtado <paul.j.hurtado AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:31:31 -0400 Hi all, First, I just wanted to add a comment about documentation. In addition to (or in place of) NFC spectrograms, one can also post the audio to xeno-canto or soundcloud.com and provide links to the audio for confirmation/documentation purposes. If I recall correctly, from last I checked, xeno-canto players can be embedded in eBird checklists, while soundcloud players cannot. Example NFC with links to audio (soundcloud) and embedded xeno-canto sonogram and audio player: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S11656087 I only mention it because many birders that are only recently starting to pay attention to NFCs can find the task of creating a spectrogram a bit daunting, whereas uploading an audio recording is more straightforward. Second, Magnus mentioned the notion of "NFC people in two camps: those who collect all their data by ear and those who let software do the identification." An alternative way to think about it is "those who collect data in person vs. remotely." How the identification happens is someone of a secondary issue, although I suspect there are real differences between what a human ear can (1) detect and (2) identify when compared to a given piece of software. I like to think of a mic as just another sensory enhancement used by birders to observe birds, just like a pair of binoculars or a spotting scope or tlephoto lens is a visual enhancement (for either a human eye or a video recorder). eBird currently doesn't ask whether we observed this birds visually, with bins, with a scope, or by ear (with or without a mic), just that the observer was present for the observation. Because personal observations are the core focus for eBird, it's an important distinction that needs to be made until the database can accommodate both kinds of data (remote vs. in-person observations). I think we all recognize that these factors influence observation/detection, both visually and auditorily, but they're hard factors to document in a meaningful way, at least in the visual case (how would you easily summarize effort spent detecting vs identifying birds with or without the use of 1 or more optics for a typical eBird checklist?!) which is why I suspect they didn't make it into today's requested eBird checklist information. Good briding, Paul Hurtado, Columbus, OH On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Matthew Sarver wrote: > Andy et al, > > Magnus raises the same question I had regarding your message. Why would > algorithm-detected NFC data be considered "incidental" rather than a > "stationary count"? Seems effort and methodology would be very explicitly > quantified. I assume this has to do with how "stationary count" data are > currently analyzed by eBird, but not sure the details... Nevertheless, a > nighttime point count is still, well, a point count. Is there a concern > that the algorithms are not reliable enough to detect all species / > individuals? It would be helpful to know a bit more about the reasoning > for those of us who are considering submitting NFC data to eBird. > > Thanks! > Matt > > Matt Sarver > Greenville, DE > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Magnus Robb > *To:* Andrew Farnsworth > *Cc:* NFC-L AT list.cornell.edu > *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:09 AM > *Subject:* Re: [nfc-l] Ebird and NFC protocol > > Hi Andrew and others, > > I started using eBird exactly because it had a facility for entering NFC > data, and it seemed a suitable place for me to keep my records. I noted > that automated remote listening data was not supposed to be entered, but > since none of my identifications are automated, I did not feel excluded. I > had not fully understood that real-time was the key or that listing > concerns (which are no concern of mine) were the reason for not making the > NFC protocol more inclusive. My assumption was that as quite possibly the > only ebirder regularly entering NFCs from Europe, something that didn't > quite fit the rules was better than nothing! Now I am contemplating > following your suggestion about creating a listening station identity, > entering things as 'incidental', etc but I worry that I will misrepresent > myself as they were planned observations for which effort data is available. > > Your email seems to put NFC people in two camps: those who collect all > their data by ear and those who let software do the identification. I > belong to neither, as I usually record while I sleep then identify the > sounds by ear and eye the next day. Do I really have to edit two autumns > worth of regular ebird NFC entries? > > While I am on the subject of NFCs on eBird. Is there some way that I can > find all the NFC checklists around the world for a particular date? My own > seem to disappear into a black hole and are not easily visible in the > system, except to me. That may be one advantage of making them 'incidental' > instead of NFC counts. > > all the best, > > Magnus Robb > > > > On 21 Feb 2013, at 14:27:12, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: > > Hi all, > I'd like to chime in on this timely post as well. Thank you, Laurent, for > the initial question, and thank you, Rob, for continuing the discussion. By > way of introduction, for those that do not know or that recently joined the > list, I work for the Lab of Ornithology as the BirdCast project leader and > work closely with the eBird team. I helped to draft the NFC Protocol. > > eBird definitely welcomes all of the acoustic data that we can provide. > The protocol is clear on the real-time listening methods, for those that do > and do not use amplification ( > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/about/nfc-count-protocol). Yes, you can > enter calls you hear by the NFC Protocol if you hear them in *real-time*, > whether by your ear or via a speaker-microphone-recording station. If you > happen to be recording, spectrograms and audio files make ideal > documentation to embed or link in the checklist. Here's a nice diurnal > example: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S12046094. > > As Rob suggests, correctly, one can also enter other flight call data as > well, such as data recorded by an automated recording station. However, if > you do this, please be clear that you should do all of the following: > - Create a *separate*, *non-personal* account (n.b. the recorded/non real > time data violate listing rules in that you cannot count what you didn't > witness). > - Enter these data as *incidental sightings.* > - Include as detailed a description as you can in the comments about how > the recorded data were collected (e.g. specifics on recording gear, sound > analysis package used, algorithm used, etc.) > > A few additional comments: > For eBird, having some rules for listing is an important incentive, since > eBird does have some competitive outputs. We hope to have a better way to > address these in the future (e.g. a way to "not count" certain submissions, > if you choose), but for now, it is important to respect these so flight > call counters are not seen as "cheating." Treating your flight call > recording station as a separate observer is, in some ways, appropriate. > Obviously, for scientific use, we want to know that you recorded the bird > at that site, so submission is OK. However, we do hope to develop a way to > add "remote listening" protocol in the future, which is part of the reason > that the current protocol discourages submission of remote listening data. > So, if you record an important yard bird, or local record, by non-real-time > methods, enter it accordingly. > > The eBird team is planning to post some additional information on this > topic on the eBird site later this year. I will make sure to cross-post > that information here as soon as the story goes live. > > Good (nocturnal) birding! > Andrew > > ---------- > BirdCast Project Leader > Information Science, Cornell Lab of Ornithology > af27 AT cornell.edu > -- > *NFC-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > > > -- > *NFC-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > > > -- > *NFC-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > -- Paul J. Hurtado Postdoctoral Fellow, The Ohio State University Mathematical Biosciences Institute, http://mbi.osu.edu/ Aquatic Ecology Laboratory, http://ael.osu.edu/ E-mail: hurtado.10 AT mbi.osu.edu Webpage: http://people.mbi.ohio-state.edu/hurtado.10 -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: RE: NFC Protocol - more From: "John Kearney" <john.kearney AT ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 09:03:33 -0400 Hi Andrew and All, Thank you for your response to my email. The changes to the protocol seem reasonable to me. I believe having this information on eBird will generate even more interest in this field of bird studies. John From: bounce-75469066-28417328 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-75469066-28417328 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Farnsworth Sent: March 7, 2013 13:40 To: NFC-L AT list.cornell.edu; Matthew Sarver; Magnus Robb; W. Douglas Robinson; Laurent Fournier; Rob Fergus Subject: Re:[nfc-l] NFC Protocol - more Let me try this again, I am not sure it went through . . . Best, AF On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: Hi John and all, Thank you for bringing these points to the group, much appreciated. First, yes, there is an error (now corrected) - astronomical twilight should reference the sun's position 18 degrees below the horizon. Apologies for my poor editing skills! For reference, civil twilight is the sun's position 6 degrees below horizon, nautical twilight 12 degrees, astronomical twilight 18 degrees. Second, regarding the choice of astronomical twilight as opposed to the more typical civil twilight that many use for recording flight calls, we were/are concerned about this issue. We spent a long time thinking about it (again) after you raised the point, and it is complicated in many ways (that's a topic for outside the NFC list serve presumably). In the end, we decided that it is preferred to enter NFC Count Protocol data in the period between astronomical twilights but it is OK to enter NFC Count Protocol beginning from civil dusk and concluding with civil dawn. However, please follow all the instructions outlined in the protocol (for example, make sure to report all other non-NFC-singing/calling birds as local that you detect, whether by ear or by automated detection)! Not that any of you wouldn't do that . . . Furthermore, we strongly recommend that you enter hourly or sub-hourly counts and that any counts entered between civil and astronomical twilight be entered separately. We amended the current protocol to reflect these changes and requests: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/about/nfc-count-protocol. As with the previous posting of the protocol, please contact me with questions (and/or the list if NFC relevant). The original logic behind astronomical twilight was to separate as truly nocturnal any flight calls that were reported, basically eliminating the potential confusion associated with other crepuscular activity, increasing numbers of local species calling, and so on. As I said above, it's likely a topic for non-NFC list discussion as it departs into another realm of discussions, although I am happy to continue the discussion here, or privately, or offline to be summarized for the list later! Hopefully this provides more clarity on some of the issues. And again, thank you (all) for raising this issue/set of issues! If we've not yet made it clear, we are eager for all in the NFC community to be involved and for those not in the community to join! Good nocturnal birding! Andrew (on behalf of teams BirdCast and eBird) -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird ! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re:NFC Protocol - more From: Andrew Farnsworth <andrew.farnsworth AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 12:39:53 -0500 Let me try this again, I am not sure it went through . . . Best, AF On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: > Hi John and all, > Thank you for bringing these points to the group, much appreciated. > > First, yes, there is an error (now corrected) - astronomical twilight > should reference the sun's position 18 degrees below the horizon. Apologies > for my poor editing skills! For reference, civil twilight is the sun's > position 6 degrees below horizon, nautical twilight 12 degrees, > astronomical twilight 18 degrees. > > Second, regarding the choice of astronomical twilight as opposed to the > more typical civil twilight that many use for recording flight calls, we > were/are concerned about this issue. We spent a long time thinking about > it (again) after you raised the point, and it is complicated in many ways > (that's a topic for outside the NFC list serve presumably). In the end, we > decided that it is *preferred* to enter NFC Count Protocol data in the > period between astronomical twilights but it is *OK* to enter NFC Count > Protocol beginning from civil dusk and concluding with civil dawn. However, > *please follow *all the instructions outlined in the protocol (for > example, make sure to report *all* other non-NFC-singing/calling birds as > local that you detect, whether by ear or by automated detection)! Not that > any of you wouldn't do that . . . Furthermore, we strongly recommend that > you enter hourly or sub-hourly counts and that any counts entered between > civil and astronomical twilight be entered separately. We amended the > current protocol to reflect these changes and requests: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/about/nfc-count-protocol. > > As with the previous posting of the protocol, please contact me with > questions (and/or the list if NFC relevant). The original logic behind > astronomical twilight was to separate as truly nocturnal any flight calls > that were reported, basically eliminating the potential confusion > associated with other crepuscular activity, increasing numbers of local > species calling, and so on. As I said above, it's likely a topic for > non-NFC list discussion as it departs into another realm of discussions, > although I am happy to continue the discussion here, or privately, or > offline to be summarized for the list later! > > Hopefully this provides more clarity on some of the issues. And again, > thank you (all) for raising this issue/set of issues! If we've not yet made > it clear, we are eager for all in the NFC community to be involved and for > those not in the community to join! > > Good nocturnal birding! > Andrew (on behalf of teams BirdCast and eBird) > >> -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: RE: NFC protocol redux From: "John Kearney" <john.kearney AT ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:41:10 -0400 Hi Andrew: Thanks to you and your team for reviewing this subject. It is a very important and timely to develop this protocol, and your consideration of this matter is much appreciated. I have read the protocol a couple of times and look forward to begin entering my remote data in eBird. I do have one question and a comment concerning the definition of night (which I assume applies to both live and remote listening). The protocol states: “Counts should be conducted only at night, which is defined as when the sun is more than 12 degrees below the horizon (the period between astronomical dusk and astronomical dawn).” It is quite possible that I may be confused on this topic, but my understanding is that astronomical dusk is when the sun is more than 18 degrees below the horizon. I also wonder why you use astronomical dusk and dawn rather than civil dusk/dawn. I would be interested in hearing the reasoning for this. It seems to me that it introduces much latitudinal bias into the data set. For example, if the peak of the spring Black-throated Green Warbler migration in Mobile, Alabama is in the third week of April, there are about 8 hours of “night” according to the definition in the protocol. On the other hand, during the peak of this warbler’s spring migration where I live in Nova Scotia, there are only 4 hours and twenty minutes of “night” (third week of May) under the protocol. Again, I admit that I may not be understanding your intention correctly. Based on nearly 18,000 night flight calls recorded in my location last fall, a quick estimate would be the loss of somewhere between 10-20% of them by restricting the report to the protocol’s definition of night. On some nights, the loss would be around 40%. The sometimes spectacular thrush descents that take place just before civil sunrise would also not be reportable. I would suggest that civil dusk/dawn gives a more complete set of data, albeit with a need to have a way to deal with some overlap with crepuscular land-based bird activity. Thanks for your consideration of this issue. John From: bounce-75445767-28417328 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-75445767-28417328 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Farnsworth Sent: March 1, 2013 11:30 To: NFC-L AT list.cornell.edu Cc: Matthew Sarver; Magnus Robb; W. Douglas Robinson; Laurent Fournier; Rob Fergus Subject: [nfc-l] NFC protocol redux Hi all, Thank you, Laurent, Matt, Doug, Rob, and Magnus, for bringing up good questions and opportunities for discussion! The eBird (Marshall Iliff, Brian Sullivan, Chris Wood) and BirdCast (yours truly) teams reviewed this situation, your questions, and your comments, and we came up with some changes to the NFC Protocol. We revised the NFC protocol, and you can see it here: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/about/nfc-count-protocol. Please take time to read this protocol, as it has some important points you need to know when submitting observations. These changes are live, so you can begin entering data as you see fit. I think, and we hope, that the protocol description will clarify questions and comments raised in previous emails. Of course, if there are more discussions to be had or comments, please feel free to address them to me privately or to the group, if appropriate. Let me highlight a few important points: 1. Data from remote listening stations (e.g. that record while you sleep and that you review later, etc) are now accepted. If you would like to do this, you must create a SEPARATE account using the same email for your primary account and label the account in a very specific way (i.e. your name NFC Station). Please read the protocol for details. 2. We ask for as much relevant metadata for NFC protocol submissions as you can possibly provide. We provided a few examples in the protocol documentation. 3. Please continue to mark "N" to the "Are you reporting all species?" question, for now. 4. We hope to add a way for listers to mark species as "do not count on lists" in the future, and also to opt out of Top100, etc. This requires substantial development and, so, will take some time . . . Again, please feel free to contact me to discuss this, or, if relevant to the NFC group as a whole, address the community. Now . . . go out and listen, start up your gear, and program your stations . . . then enter all your observations into eBird! Good birding . . . at night, Andrew -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: NFC protocol redux From: Andrew Farnsworth <andrew.farnsworth AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:30:12 -0500 Hi all, Thank you, Laurent, Matt, Doug, Rob, and Magnus, for bringing up good questions and opportunities for discussion! The eBird (Marshall Iliff, Brian Sullivan, Chris Wood) and BirdCast (yours truly) teams reviewed this situation, your questions, and your comments, and we came up with some changes to the NFC Protocol. We revised the NFC protocol, and you can see it here: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/about/nfc-count-protocol. Please take time to read this protocol, as it has some important points you need to know when submitting observations. These changes are live, so you can begin entering data as you see fit. I think, and we hope, that the protocol description will clarify questions and comments raised in previous emails. Of course, if there are more discussions to be had or comments, please feel free to address them to me privately or to the group, if appropriate. Let me highlight a few important points: 1. Data from remote listening stations (e.g. that record while you sleep and that you review later, etc) are now accepted. If you would like to do this, you *must* create a *SEPARATE* account using the *same email for your primary account* and label the account in a very specific way (i.e. your name NFC Station). Please read the protocol for details. 2. We ask for as much relevant metadata for NFC protocol submissions as you can possibly provide. We provided a few examples in the protocol documentation. 3. Please continue to mark "N" to the "Are you reporting all species?" question, for now. 4. We hope to add a way for listers to mark species as "do not count on lists" in the future, and also to opt out of Top100, etc. This requires substantial development and, so, will take some time . . . Again, please feel free to contact me to discuss this, or, if relevant to the NFC group as a whole, address the community. Now . . . go out and listen, start up your gear, and program your stations . . . then enter all your observations into eBird! Good birding . . . at night, Andrew -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: help with a mystery call from a few years back From: "Michael O'Brien" <tsweet AT comcast.net> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:16:52 -0500 Andy, I think you may have been on the right track with shorebird. It reminds me of an interaction or chase call of a small Calidris sandpiper (presumably Semi/Least in your area). Michael Michael O'Brien Victor Emanuel Nature Tours www.ventbird.com On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Andy Martin wrote: > Every once in a while I go back through my mystery call file to see if (with a little more experience gained), I can ID one or two more. > > The attached call has bugged me for some time. Sounds a bit finchy to me, but time of night (12:30 AM) doesn't coincide with predawn movement. Only finch possibility left around my house in May would most likely be House (outside chance at a Purple). House sparrow possibly? First time I heard it, cadence struck me as shorebird, but I have never been able to match it to a particular species. I am stumped. > > Thanks for any help. > > Andy Martin > Gaithersburg, MD > -- > NFC-L List Info: > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > Archives: > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > Please submit your observations to eBird! > -- > -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: RE: help with a mystery call from a few years back From: "Caitlin Coberly" <prairie AT dswebnet.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:42:11 -0800 I have weeks and weeks of house sparrows calling throughout the night at one well lighted, heavily populated roost location. Still occasionally hear them at night in the city. Caitlin From: bounce-75179628-10103185 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-75179628-10103185 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Kenneth Victor Rosenberg Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 5:13 PM To: Andy Martin Cc: NFC-L Subject: Re: [nfc-l] help with a mystery call from a few years back Sure sounds like House Sparrows (at least through my phone). Maybe something disturbed their roost? Ken Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:48 PM, "Andy Martin" wrote: Every once in a while I go back through my mystery call file to see if (with a little more experience gained), I can ID one or two more. The attached call has bugged me for some time. Sounds a bit finchy to me, but time of night (12:30 AM) doesn't coincide with predawn movement. Only finch possibility left around my house in May would most likely be House (outside chance at a Purple). House sparrow possibly? First time I heard it, cadence struck me as shorebird, but I have never been able to match it to a particular species. I am stumped. Thanks for any help. Andy Martin Gaithersburg, MD -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird ! -- -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird ! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: help with a mystery call from a few years back From: Kenneth Victor Rosenberg <kvr2 AT cornell.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 01:12:41 +0000 Sure sounds like House Sparrows (at least through my phone). Maybe something disturbed their roost? Ken Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:48 PM, "Andy Martin" > wrote: Every once in a while I go back through my mystery call file to see if (with a little more experience gained), I can ID one or two more. The attached call has bugged me for some time. Sounds a bit finchy to me, but time of night (12:30 AM) doesn't coincide with predawn movement. Only finch possibility left around my house in May would most likely be House (outside chance at a Purple). House sparrow possibly? First time I heard it, cadence struck me as shorebird, but I have never been able to match it to a particular species. I am stumped. Thanks for any help. Andy Martin Gaithersburg, MD -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: help with a mystery call from a few years back From: Andy Martin <apmartin2 AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:48:05 -0500 Every once in a while I go back through my mystery call file to see if (with a little more experience gained), I can ID one or two more. The attached call has bugged me for some time. Sounds a bit finchy to me, but time of night (12:30 AM) doesn't coincide with predawn movement. Only finch possibility left around my house in May would most likely be House (outside chance at a Purple). House sparrow possibly? First time I heard it, cadence struck me as shorebird, but I have never been able to match it to a particular species. I am stumped. Thanks for any help. Andy Martin Gaithersburg, MD -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Ebird and NFC protocol From: Matthew Sarver <ammodram AT yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:23:28 -0800 (PST) Andy et al, Magnus raises the same question I had regarding your message. Why would algorithm-detected NFC data be considered "incidental" rather than a "stationary count"?  Seems effort and methodology would be very explicitly quantified.  I assume this has to do with how "stationary count" data are currently analyzed by eBird, but not sure the details...  Nevertheless, a nighttime point count is still, well, a point count.  Is there a concern that the algorithms are not reliable enough to detect all species / individuals?  It would be helpful to know a bit more about the reasoning for those of us who are considering submitting NFC data to eBird. Thanks! Matt Matt Sarver Greenville, DE ________________________________ From: Magnus Robb To: Andrew Farnsworth Cc: NFC-L AT list.cornell.edu Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [nfc-l] Ebird and NFC protocol Hi Andrew and others, I started using eBird exactly because it had a facility for entering NFC data, and it seemed a suitable place for me to keep my records. I noted that automated remote listening data was not supposed to be entered, but since none of my identifications are automated, I did not feel excluded. I had not fully understood that real-time was the key or that listing concerns (which are no concern of mine) were the reason for not making the NFC protocol more inclusive. My assumption was that as quite possibly the only ebirder regularly entering NFCs from Europe, something that didn't quite fit the rules was better than nothing! Now I am contemplating following your suggestion about creating a listening station identity, entering things as 'incidental', etc but I worry that I will misrepresent myself as they were planned observations for which effort data is available. Your email seems to put NFC people in two camps: those who collect all their data by ear and those who let software do the identification. I belong to neither, as I usually record while I sleep then identify the sounds by ear and eye the next day. Do I really have to edit two autumns worth of regular ebird NFC entries? While I am on the subject of NFCs on eBird. Is there some way that I can find all the NFC checklists around the world for a particular date? My own seem to disappear into a black hole and are not easily visible in the system, except to me. That may be one advantage of making them 'incidental' instead of NFC counts. all the best, Magnus Robb On 21 Feb 2013, at 14:27:12, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: Hi all, >I'd like to chime in on this timely post as well. Thank you, Laurent, for the initial question, and thank you, Rob, for continuing the discussion. By way of introduction, for those that do not know or that recently joined the list, I work for the Lab of Ornithology as the BirdCast project leader and work closely with the eBird team. I helped to draft the NFC Protocol.  > > >eBird definitely welcomes all of the acoustic data that we can provide. The protocol is clear on the real-time listening methods, for those that do and do not use amplification (http://ebird.org/content/ebird/about/nfc-count-protocol). Yes, you can enter calls you hear by the NFC Protocol if you hear them in real-time, whether by your ear or via a speaker-microphone-recording station. If you happen to be recording, spectrograms and audio files make ideal documentation to embed or link in the checklist. Here's a nice diurnal example: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S12046094. >  >As Rob suggests, correctly, one can also enter other flight call data as well, such as data recorded by an automated recording station. However, if you do this, please be clear that you should do all of the following: >- Create a separate, non-personal account (n.b. the recorded/non real time data violate listing rules in that you cannot count what you didn't witness). >- Enter these data as incidental sightings. >- Include as detailed a description as you can in the comments about how the recorded data were collected (e.g. specifics on recording gear, sound analysis package used, algorithm used, etc.) > > >A few additional comments: >For eBird, having some rules for listing is an important incentive, since eBird does have some competitive outputs. We hope to have a better way to address these in the future (e.g. a way to "not count" certain submissions, if you choose), but for now, it is important to respect these so flight call counters are not seen as "cheating." Treating your flight call recording station as a separate observer is, in some ways, appropriate. Obviously, for scientific use, we want to know that you recorded the bird at that site, so submission is OK. However, we do hope to develop a way to add "remote listening" protocol in the future, which is part of the reason that the current protocol discourages submission of remote listening data. So, if you record an important yard bird, or local record, by non-real-time methods, enter it accordingly. > > >The eBird team is planning to post some additional information on this topic on the eBird site later this year. I will make sure to cross-post that information here as soon as the story goes live. > > >Good (nocturnal) birding! >Andrew > > >---------- >BirdCast Project Leader >Information Science, Cornell Lab of Ornithology >af27 AT cornell.edu >-- >NFC-L List Info: >Welcome and Basics >Rules and Information >Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >Archives: >The Mail Archive >Surfbirds >BirdingOnThe.Net >Please submit your observations to eBird! >-- -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: On the utility of avian acoustic study at wind energy facilities From: Bill Evans <wrevans AT clarityconnect.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 17:05:49 -0500 NFCers, In the course of trying to win a competitive research contract sometimes one offers an in-kind (pro bono) study to sweeten the proposal. That's the case with the acoustic study at a NY wind energy project reported at the link below. The data was gathered ~5 years ago but the report was delayed in publication due to complications with other associated research projects I wasn't involved with. This acoustic study was initially just going to involve data from a single monitoring station, but various bumps along the road led me to include data from other avian acoustic monitoring stations I had running in the region. This turned out to facilitate discussion on a number of interesting questions regarding the application of avian acoustic monitoring at industrial wind energy projects. The report is currently listed first on the following webpage. I welcome any feedback or discussion: http://www.nyserda.ny.gov/Publications/Research-and-Development-Technical-Reports/Environmental-Reports.aspx The 20,000+ calls collected from the study will eventually be put online at oldbird.org, but I need to go through them again to update species classifications. Bill E -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Ebird and NFC protocol From: "W. Douglas Robinson" <w.douglas.robinson AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:30:36 -0800 Hi all, I think Magnus makes some good points, and the option posed by Andrew is a good one. Another comparatively simple fix to get around the constraints of the listing issue would be to give users the option to opt in to the listing competition or opt out. A simple check box that could be selected if one wanted to contribute data but not be included in the various Top 100 competitions would seem to work. I think a growing number of eBird users are contributing data because they want to share data, not to compete. They are quite happy having eBird simply tally their own numbers in the My eBird pages and have little interest in how their numbers compare to other people's. Cheers Doug On Feb 21, 2013, at 7:09 AM, Magnus Robb wrote: > Hi Andrew and others, > > I started using eBird exactly because it had a facility for entering NFC data, and it seemed a suitable place for me to keep my records. I noted that automated remote listening data was not supposed to be entered, but since none of my identifications are automated, I did not feel excluded. I had not fully understood that real-time was the key or that listing concerns (which are no concern of mine) were the reason for not making the NFC protocol more inclusive. My assumption was that as quite possibly the only ebirder regularly entering NFCs from Europe, something that didn't quite fit the rules was better than nothing! Now I am contemplating following your suggestion about creating a listening station identity, entering things as 'incidental', etc but I worry that I will misrepresent myself as they were planned observations for which effort data is available. > > Your email seems to put NFC people in two camps: those who collect all their data by ear and those who let software do the identification. I belong to neither, as I usually record while I sleep then identify the sounds by ear and eye the next day. Do I really have to edit two autumns worth of regular ebird NFC entries? > > While I am on the subject of NFCs on eBird. Is there some way that I can find all the NFC checklists around the world for a particular date? My own seem to disappear into a black hole and are not easily visible in the system, except to me. That may be one advantage of making them 'incidental' instead of NFC counts. > > all the best, > > Magnus Robb > > > > On 21 Feb 2013, at 14:27:12, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I'd like to chime in on this timely post as well. Thank you, Laurent, for the initial question, and thank you, Rob, for continuing the discussion. By way of introduction, for those that do not know or that recently joined the list, I work for the Lab of Ornithology as the BirdCast project leader and work closely with the eBird team. I helped to draft the NFC Protocol. >> >> eBird definitely welcomes all of the acoustic data that we can provide. The protocol is clear on the real-time listening methods, for those that do and do not use amplification (http://ebird.org/content/ebird/about/nfc-count-protocol). Yes, you can enter calls you hear by the NFC Protocol if you hear them in real-time, whether by your ear or via a speaker-microphone-recording station. If you happen to be recording, spectrograms and audio files make ideal documentation to embed or link in the checklist. Here's a nice diurnal example: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S12046094. >> >> As Rob suggests, correctly, one can also enter other flight call data as well, such as data recorded by an automated recording station. However, if you do this, please be clear that you should do all of the following: >> - Create a separate, non-personal account (n.b. the recorded/non real time data violate listing rules in that you cannot count what you didn't witness). >> - Enter these data as incidental sightings. >> - Include as detailed a description as you can in the comments about how the recorded data were collected (e.g. specifics on recording gear, sound analysis package used, algorithm used, etc.) >> >> A few additional comments: >> For eBird, having some rules for listing is an important incentive, since eBird does have some competitive outputs. We hope to have a better way to address these in the future (e.g. a way to "not count" certain submissions, if you choose), but for now, it is important to respect these so flight call counters are not seen as "cheating." Treating your flight call recording station as a separate observer is, in some ways, appropriate. Obviously, for scientific use, we want to know that you recorded the bird at that site, so submission is OK. However, we do hope to develop a way to add "remote listening" protocol in the future, which is part of the reason that the current protocol discourages submission of remote listening data. So, if you record an important yard bird, or local record, by non-real-time methods, enter it accordingly. >> >> The eBird team is planning to post some additional information on this topic on the eBird site later this year. I will make sure to cross-post that information here as soon as the story goes live. >> >> Good (nocturnal) birding! >> Andrew >> >> ---------- >> BirdCast Project Leader >> Information Science, Cornell Lab of Ornithology >> af27 AT cornell.edu >> -- >> NFC-L List Info: >> Welcome and Basics >> Rules and Information >> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >> Archives: >> The Mail Archive >> Surfbirds >> BirdingOnThe.Net >> Please submit your observations to eBird! >> -- > > -- > NFC-L List Info: > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > Archives: > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > Please submit your observations to eBird! > -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Ebird and NFC protocol From: Magnus Robb <magnus.robb AT me.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:09:09 +0000 Hi Andrew and others, I started using eBird exactly because it had a facility for entering NFC data, and it seemed a suitable place for me to keep my records. I noted that automated remote listening data was not supposed to be entered, but since none of my identifications are automated, I did not feel excluded. I had not fully understood that real-time was the key or that listing concerns (which are no concern of mine) were the reason for not making the NFC protocol more inclusive. My assumption was that as quite possibly the only ebirder regularly entering NFCs from Europe, something that didn't quite fit the rules was better than nothing! Now I am contemplating following your suggestion about creating a listening station identity, entering things as 'incidental', etc but I worry that I will misrepresent myself as they were planned observations for which effort data is available. Your email seems to put NFC people in two camps: those who collect all their data by ear and those who let software do the identification. I belong to neither, as I usually record while I sleep then identify the sounds by ear and eye the next day. Do I really have to edit two autumns worth of regular ebird NFC entries? While I am on the subject of NFCs on eBird. Is there some way that I can find all the NFC checklists around the world for a particular date? My own seem to disappear into a black hole and are not easily visible in the system, except to me. That may be one advantage of making them 'incidental' instead of NFC counts. all the best, Magnus Robb On 21 Feb 2013, at 14:27:12, Andrew Farnsworth wrote: > Hi all, > I'd like to chime in on this timely post as well. Thank you, Laurent, for the initial question, and thank you, Rob, for continuing the discussion. By way of introduction, for those that do not know or that recently joined the list, I work for the Lab of Ornithology as the BirdCast project leader and work closely with the eBird team. I helped to draft the NFC Protocol. > > eBird definitely welcomes all of the acoustic data that we can provide. The protocol is clear on the real-time listening methods, for those that do and do not use amplification (http://ebird.org/content/ebird/about/nfc-count-protocol). Yes, you can enter calls you hear by the NFC Protocol if you hear them in real-time, whether by your ear or via a speaker-microphone-recording station. If you happen to be recording, spectrograms and audio files make ideal documentation to embed or link in the checklist. Here's a nice diurnal example: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S12046094. > > As Rob suggests, correctly, one can also enter other flight call data as well, such as data recorded by an automated recording station. However, if you do this, please be clear that you should do all of the following: > - Create a separate, non-personal account (n.b. the recorded/non real time data violate listing rules in that you cannot count what you didn't witness). > - Enter these data as incidental sightings. > - Include as detailed a description as you can in the comments about how the recorded data were collected (e.g. specifics on recording gear, sound analysis package used, algorithm used, etc.) > > A few additional comments: > For eBird, having some rules for listing is an important incentive, since eBird does have some competitive outputs. We hope to have a better way to address these in the future (e.g. a way to "not count" certain submissions, if you choose), but for now, it is important to respect these so flight call counters are not seen as "cheating." Treating your flight call recording station as a separate observer is, in some ways, appropriate. Obviously, for scientific use, we want to know that you recorded the bird at that site, so submission is OK. However, we do hope to develop a way to add "remote listening" protocol in the future, which is part of the reason that the current protocol discourages submission of remote listening data. So, if you record an important yard bird, or local record, by non-real-time methods, enter it accordingly. > > The eBird team is planning to post some additional information on this topic on the eBird site later this year. I will make sure to cross-post that information here as soon as the story goes live. > > Good (nocturnal) birding! > Andrew > > ---------- > BirdCast Project Leader > Information Science, Cornell Lab of Ornithology > af27 AT cornell.edu > -- > NFC-L List Info: > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > Archives: > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > Please submit your observations to eBird! > -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Ebird and NFC protocol From: Andrew Farnsworth <andrew.farnsworth AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 09:27:12 -0500 Hi all, I'd like to chime in on this timely post as well. Thank you, Laurent, for the initial question, and thank you, Rob, for continuing the discussion. By way of introduction, for those that do not know or that recently joined the list, I work for the Lab of Ornithology as the BirdCast project leader and work closely with the eBird team. I helped to draft the NFC Protocol. eBird definitely welcomes all of the acoustic data that we can provide. The protocol is clear on the real-time listening methods, for those that do and do not use amplification ( http://ebird.org/content/ebird/about/nfc-count-protocol). Yes, you can enter calls you hear by the NFC Protocol if you hear them in *real-time*, whether by your ear or via a speaker-microphone-recording station. If you happen to be recording, spectrograms and audio files make ideal documentation to embed or link in the checklist. Here's a nice diurnal example: http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S12046094. As Rob suggests, correctly, one can also enter other flight call data as well, such as data recorded by an automated recording station. However, if you do this, please be clear that you should do all of the following: - Create a *separate*, *non-personal* account (n.b. the recorded/non real time data violate listing rules in that you cannot count what you didn't witness). - Enter these data as *incidental sightings.* - Include as detailed a description as you can in the comments about how the recorded data were collected (e.g. specifics on recording gear, sound analysis package used, algorithm used, etc.) A few additional comments: For eBird, having some rules for listing is an important incentive, since eBird does have some competitive outputs. We hope to have a better way to address these in the future (e.g. a way to "not count" certain submissions, if you choose), but for now, it is important to respect these so flight call counters are not seen as "cheating." Treating your flight call recording station as a separate observer is, in some ways, appropriate. Obviously, for scientific use, we want to know that you recorded the bird at that site, so submission is OK. However, we do hope to develop a way to add "remote listening" protocol in the future, which is part of the reason that the current protocol discourages submission of remote listening data. So, if you record an important yard bird, or local record, by non-real-time methods, enter it accordingly. The eBird team is planning to post some additional information on this topic on the eBird site later this year. I will make sure to cross-post that information here as soon as the story goes live. Good (nocturnal) birding! Andrew ---------- BirdCast Project Leader Information Science, Cornell Lab of Ornithology af27 AT cornell.edu -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: RE: Ebird and NFC protocol From: Rob Fergus <birdchaser AT hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:06:30 -0500 My understanding (and I helped advocate for some of this language) is that you can enter any NFC you want in eBird--including birds recorded while you sleep. However, those NFCs should be entered as incidental sightings, rather than using the NFC protocol. Only birds heard in real time/real life should be entered using the NFC protocol. On a similar note, I created a station identity in eBird for reporting birds recorded, but not heard in real time by me--so as not to inflate my local eBird listing totals (another story!). I'm currently also entering birds heard only through the microphone in real time--local eBird usage debate going on about that, but that's another story! As far as documentation goes, since NFC identification is challenging for most of us, including most eBird reviewers, many IDs may be questioned/questionable, and so documentation via recording is a valuable tool for verification of NFCs if you are interested in having your local eBird reviewer accept your NFC reports, especially of unusual species. Rob FergusHunterdon County, NJhttp://birdchaser.blogspot.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:32:54 -0500 Subject: [nfc-l] Ebird and NFC protocol From: poecile.cinctus AT gmail.com To: NFC-L AT list.cornell.edu Hi all Now that the first night flights are only a few weeks away, I was reviewing the ebird NFC protocol, and was a bit puzzled by those 2 paragraphs : "Documentation: Many NFCs are difficult to identify, and some locally rare species may be more easily detected through NFCs than through traditional birding on the ground. Please document rare, unusual, or hard to identify NFCs through recordings whenever possible. We suggest that you upload recordings to Xeno-Canto.org or some other online repository, and include the link to the call in the species comment section, as well as a discussion of how the NFC was identified." "Remote listening: We are well aware that some observers use remote listening stations to record nocturnal flights and later review and catalog the calls heard. The detection using recording devices in fundamentally different; please do not enter these in eBird at this stage." Does it mean that you could only enter night flight calls that you have heard by yourself (not recorded), but that you would need to show a recording anyway if you managed to pick something rare? Any help is appreciated! Laurent in Michigan -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Ebird and NFC protocol From: Laurent Fournier <poecile.cinctus AT gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 09:32:54 -0500 Hi all* *Now that the first night flights are only a few weeks away, I was reviewing the ebird NFC protocol, and was a bit puzzled by those 2 paragraphs : * "Documentation:* Many NFCs are difficult to identify, and some locally rare species may be more easily detected through NFCs than through traditional birding on the ground. Please document rare, unusual, or hard to identify NFCs through recordings whenever possible. We suggest that you upload recordings to Xeno-Canto.org or some other online repository, and include the link to the call in the species comment section, as well as a discussion of how the NFC was identified." *"Remote listening:* We are well aware that some observers use remote listening stations to record nocturnal flights and later review and catalog the calls heard. The detection using recording devices in fundamentally different; please do not enter these in eBird at this stage." Does it mean that you could only enter night flight calls that you have heard by yourself (not recorded), but that you would need to show a recording anyway if you managed to pick something rare? Any help is appreciated! Laurent in Michigan -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: A Thanks re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? From: Andy Martin <apmartin2 AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:31:25 -0500 Note of thanks to all who responded to my query. On a lucky note, my bird club just purchased a Macbook pro, so I went with iShowU and program is doing exactly what I hoped it would do. Only worry now is all the extraneous noise on my recordings won't be to harsh on audience of about 40 people when played through pair of external speakers. Thanks again, Andy Martin Gaithersburg, MD -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? From: Ted Floyd <tfloyd AT aba.org> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:11:50 -0700 A quick tip that has surely occurred to some folks, but here goes: If you have, say, a 5-second clip and a corresponding 5-second-long sound spectrogram, then create an animation of the sound spectrogram, 5 seconds long, that runs from left to right. It follows the audio perfectly, and people get to "see" the sound while they're listening to it. Works great, and it's just 3 or 4 steps of "programming" (as if) in PowerPoint. Best, Ted On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Benjamin Van Doren wrote: > Hi All, > > I've had good results with iShowU as well doing just this thing. > > Benjamin Van Doren > > > On Friday, February 8, 2013, Wil Hershberger wrote: > >> Another software package that works very well is iShowU by >> shinywhitebox.com >> I have had no problems capturing spectrograms from Raven, Audacity, >> iZotope RX, etc. It requires soundflower to record the system audio, but >> that seems to install with the app. >> >> * >> Wil Hershberger* >> Nature Images and Sounds, LLC >> Hedgesville, WV >> The Songs of Insects >> My Blog >> >> >> >> On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:42 PM, "Benjamin M. Clock" >> wrote: >> >> Andy, >> Another good piece of Software for capturing the scrolling spectrogram >> out of Raven that I have had success with is called ScreenFlow. I have >> used SnapzPro in the past and I like ScreenFlow a lot better. The exported >> videos can be embedded in your PP project. >> >> Playing the scrolling Spectrograms definitely makes a talk a lot more >> dynamic than listening to sounds while looking at a dark screen. >> Good luck, >> >> Benjamin M. Clock >> Macaulay Library of Natural Sounds and Video >> bmc24 AT cornell.edu >> >> On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Andy Martin wrote: >> >> Hello NFCers, >> >> I am preparing a talk about Recording NFCs to give to my local bird club >> in a few weeks. I don't have a lot of experience with Powerpoint but was >> wondering if anybody out there has incorporated spectrograms (for my >> purposes, generated through Ravenlite) into a powerpoint presentation? >> >> My thinking at this point was to do a regular presentation with photos >> and some graphics with powerpoint, close that down and open and project >> Ravenlite on screen (with external speakers from laptop) to finish the talk >> with some NFC examples. Seemed the easiest way to go for my level of >> experience with computers and also I would especially like to be able to >> project the Ravenlite time scroll bar, thinking that will help my audience >> pinpoint when to expect the sound. >> >> However, if its easy to incorporate a playable spectrogram directly into >> Powerpoint, that might work better and give a more logical flow to the >> presentation. >> >> Anybody on the list dealt with this issue? >> >> Thanks for any advice. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> NFC-L List Info: >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >> >> ARCHIVES: >> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html >> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L >> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html >> >> Please submit your observations to eBird: >> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >> >> -- >> >> >> -- >> *NFC-L List Info:* >> Welcome and Basics >> Rules and Information >> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >> *Archives:* >> The Mail Archive >> Surfbirds >> BirdingOnThe.Net >> *Please submit your observations to eBird >> !* >> -- >> > -- > *NFC-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? From: Benjamin Van Doren <bmvandoren AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 16:50:21 -0500 Hi All, I've had good results with iShowU as well doing just this thing. Benjamin Van Doren On Friday, February 8, 2013, Wil Hershberger wrote: > Another software package that works very well is iShowU by > shinywhitebox.com > I have had no problems capturing spectrograms from Raven, Audacity, > iZotope RX, etc. It requires soundflower to record the system audio, but > that seems to install with the app. > > * > Wil Hershberger* > Nature Images and Sounds, LLC > Hedgesville, WV > The Songs of Insects > My Blog > > > > On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:42 PM, "Benjamin M. Clock" > > wrote: > > Andy, > Another good piece of Software for capturing the scrolling spectrogram out > of Raven that I have had success with is called ScreenFlow. I have used > SnapzPro in the past and I like ScreenFlow a lot better. The exported > videos can be embedded in your PP project. > > Playing the scrolling Spectrograms definitely makes a talk a lot more > dynamic than listening to sounds while looking at a dark screen. > Good luck, > > Benjamin M. Clock > Macaulay Library of Natural Sounds and Video > bmc24 AT cornell.edu > > On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Andy Martin wrote: > > Hello NFCers, > > I am preparing a talk about Recording NFCs to give to my local bird club > in a few weeks. I don't have a lot of experience with Powerpoint but was > wondering if anybody out there has incorporated spectrograms (for my > purposes, generated through Ravenlite) into a powerpoint presentation? > > My thinking at this point was to do a regular presentation with photos and > some graphics with powerpoint, close that down and open and project > Ravenlite on screen (with external speakers from laptop) to finish the talk > with some NFC examples. Seemed the easiest way to go for my level of > experience with computers and also I would especially like to be able to > project the Ravenlite time scroll bar, thinking that will help my audience > pinpoint when to expect the sound. > > However, if its easy to incorporate a playable spectrogram directly into > Powerpoint, that might work better and give a more logical flow to the > presentation. > > Anybody on the list dealt with this issue? > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > > > > > > -- > > NFC-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > > > -- > *NFC-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? From: Wil Hershberger <wil AT natureimagesandsounds.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 15:58:25 -0500 Another software package that works very well is iShowU by shinywhitebox.com I have had no problems capturing spectrograms from Raven, Audacity, iZotope RX, etc. It requires soundflower to record the system audio, but that seems to install with the app. Wil Hershberger Nature Images and Sounds, LLC Hedgesville, WV The Songs of Insects My Blog On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:42 PM, "Benjamin M. Clock" wrote: > Andy, > Another good piece of Software for capturing the scrolling spectrogram out of Raven that I have had success with is called ScreenFlow. I have used SnapzPro in the past and I like ScreenFlow a lot better. The exported videos can be embedded in your PP project. > > Playing the scrolling Spectrograms definitely makes a talk a lot more dynamic than listening to sounds while looking at a dark screen. > Good luck, > > Benjamin M. Clock > Macaulay Library of Natural Sounds and Video > bmc24 AT cornell.edu > > On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Andy Martin wrote: > >> Hello NFCers, >> >> I am preparing a talk about Recording NFCs to give to my local bird club in a few weeks. I don't have a lot of experience with Powerpoint but was wondering if anybody out there has incorporated spectrograms (for my purposes, generated through Ravenlite) into a powerpoint presentation? >> >> My thinking at this point was to do a regular presentation with photos and some graphics with powerpoint, close that down and open and project Ravenlite on screen (with external speakers from laptop) to finish the talk with some NFC examples. Seemed the easiest way to go for my level of experience with computers and also I would especially like to be able to project the Ravenlite time scroll bar, thinking that will help my audience pinpoint when to expect the sound. >> >> However, if its easy to incorporate a playable spectrogram directly into Powerpoint, that might work better and give a more logical flow to the presentation. >> >> Anybody on the list dealt with this issue? >> >> Thanks for any advice. > > > > > > > > -- > > NFC-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L > 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? From: "JeP" <jepbird AT att.net> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:45:31 -0600 I teach a birdsong class in Austin and use PP. I am interested in the opinions given here on how to import the playing spectrograms into PP more professionally, but I have generally gone with the low tech, no frills method of, just switching back and forth between PP to Audacity or Ravenlite. This allows me to play parts of the spectrogram or slow the calls down etc. Interesed in Austin, jeff patterson Travis Audubon Austin, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin M. Clock" To: "NFC-L" Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [nfc-l] Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? Andy, Another good piece of Software for capturing the scrolling spectrogram out of Raven that I have had success with is called ScreenFlow. I have used SnapzPro in the past and I like ScreenFlow a lot better. The exported videos can be embedded in your PP project. Playing the scrolling Spectrograms definitely makes a talk a lot more dynamic than listening to sounds while looking at a dark screen. Good luck, Benjamin M. Clock Macaulay Library of Natural Sounds and Video bmc24 AT cornell.edu On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Andy Martin wrote: > Hello NFCers, > > I am preparing a talk about Recording NFCs to give to my local bird club > in a few weeks. I don't have a lot of experience with Powerpoint but was > wondering if anybody out there has incorporated spectrograms (for my > purposes, generated through Ravenlite) into a powerpoint presentation? > > My thinking at this point was to do a regular presentation with photos and > some graphics with powerpoint, close that down and open and project > Ravenlite on screen (with external speakers from laptop) to finish the > talk with some NFC examples. Seemed the easiest way to go for my level of > experience with computers and also I would especially like to be able to > project the Ravenlite time scroll bar, thinking that will help my audience > pinpoint when to expect the sound. > > However, if its easy to incorporate a playable spectrogram directly into > Powerpoint, that might work better and give a more logical flow to the > presentation. > > Anybody on the list dealt with this issue? > > Thanks for any advice. -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? From: "Benjamin M. Clock" <bmc24 AT cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:42:40 +0000 Andy, Another good piece of Software for capturing the scrolling spectrogram out of Raven that I have had success with is called ScreenFlow. I have used SnapzPro in the past and I like ScreenFlow a lot better. The exported videos can be embedded in your PP project. Playing the scrolling Spectrograms definitely makes a talk a lot more dynamic than listening to sounds while looking at a dark screen. Good luck, Benjamin M. Clock Macaulay Library of Natural Sounds and Video bmc24 AT cornell.edu On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:21 PM, Andy Martin wrote: > Hello NFCers, > > I am preparing a talk about Recording NFCs to give to my local bird club in a few weeks. I don't have a lot of experience with Powerpoint but was wondering if anybody out there has incorporated spectrograms (for my purposes, generated through Ravenlite) into a powerpoint presentation? > > My thinking at this point was to do a regular presentation with photos and some graphics with powerpoint, close that down and open and project Ravenlite on screen (with external speakers from laptop) to finish the talk with some NFC examples. Seemed the easiest way to go for my level of experience with computers and also I would especially like to be able to project the Ravenlite time scroll bar, thinking that will help my audience pinpoint when to expect the sound. > > However, if its easy to incorporate a playable spectrogram directly into Powerpoint, that might work better and give a more logical flow to the presentation. > > Anybody on the list dealt with this issue? > > Thanks for any advice. -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? From: Andrew Albright <andrew.albright AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:32:44 -0500 I have actually done this for the thrushes found on the East Coast to help learn them. I have sonagrams and then audio imbedded into powerpoint. I have it on my computer at home. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Andy Martin wrote: > Hello NFCers, > > I am preparing a talk about Recording NFCs to give to my local bird club in > a few weeks. I don't have a lot of experience with Powerpoint but was > wondering if anybody out there has incorporated spectrograms (for my > purposes, generated through Ravenlite) into a powerpoint presentation? > > My thinking at this point was to do a regular presentation with photos and > some graphics with powerpoint, close that down and open and project > Ravenlite on screen (with external speakers from laptop) to finish the talk > with some NFC examples. Seemed the easiest way to go for my level of > experience with computers and also I would especially like to be able to > project the Ravenlite time scroll bar, thinking that will help my audience > pinpoint when to expect the sound. > > However, if its easy to incorporate a playable spectrogram directly into > Powerpoint, that might work better and give a more logical flow to the > presentation. > > Anybody on the list dealt with this issue? > > Thanks for any advice. > > Andy Martin > Gaithersburg, MD > -- > NFC-L List Info: > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > Archives: > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > Please submit your observations to eBird! > -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? From: Tim Krein <tpk8 AT cornell.edu> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 19:30:56 +0000 Andy, You should be able to capture the playing spectrogram as a video using Snag-it, Camtasia Studio, or SnapzProX. Then you can import the video into PPT. I've seen this done before in our lab. Tim Krein Raven software development Cornell Lab of Ornithology From: Andy Martin > Reply-To: Andy Martin > Date: Friday, February 8, 2013 2:21 PM To: NFC-L > Subject: [nfc-l] Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? Hello NFCers, I am preparing a talk about Recording NFCs to give to my local bird club in a few weeks. I don't have a lot of experience with Powerpoint but was wondering if anybody out there has incorporated spectrograms (for my purposes, generated through Ravenlite) into a powerpoint presentation? My thinking at this point was to do a regular presentation with photos and some graphics with powerpoint, close that down and open and project Ravenlite on screen (with external speakers from laptop) to finish the talk with some NFC examples. Seemed the easiest way to go for my level of experience with computers and also I would especially like to be able to project the Ravenlite time scroll bar, thinking that will help my audience pinpoint when to expect the sound. However, if its easy to incorporate a playable spectrogram directly into Powerpoint, that might work better and give a more logical flow to the presentation. Anybody on the list dealt with this issue? Thanks for any advice. Andy Martin Gaithersburg, MD -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Importing playable spectrograms into MS powerpoint? From: Andy Martin <apmartin2 AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 14:21:41 -0500 Hello NFCers, I am preparing a talk about Recording NFCs to give to my local bird club in a few weeks. I don't have a lot of experience with Powerpoint but was wondering if anybody out there has incorporated spectrograms (for my purposes, generated through Ravenlite) into a powerpoint presentation? My thinking at this point was to do a regular presentation with photos and some graphics with powerpoint, close that down and open and project Ravenlite on screen (with external speakers from laptop) to finish the talk with some NFC examples. Seemed the easiest way to go for my level of experience with computers and also I would especially like to be able to project the Ravenlite time scroll bar, thinking that will help my audience pinpoint when to expect the sound. However, if its easy to incorporate a playable spectrogram directly into Powerpoint, that might work better and give a more logical flow to the presentation. Anybody on the list dealt with this issue? Thanks for any advice. Andy Martin Gaithersburg, MD -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: mystery flight calls From: Jay K <azure.jay AT earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:57:36 -0800 Matt, The calls you described as "shorebird-like" are the flight calls of Dunlin. Jay Keller, San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- >From: Matt Goff >Sent: Nov 7, 2012 5:39 PM >To: nfc-l AT cornell.edu >Subject: [nfc-l] mystery flight calls > > >In 2008-2009, I recorded many nights out my back window (in Sitka, >Alaska). Several times I captured calls I did not recognize. I'm hoping >maybe someone can help ID some of them. > >These sound like a shorebird to me. >http://www.sitkanature.org/wordpress/2008/11/07/wr-night-thirty-eight/ > >I think the fourth recording here may be of something similar: >http://www.sitkanature.org/wordpress/2008/10/28/wr-night-twenty-eight/ >(the other mystery calls I later learned were Marbled Murrelets) > >Thanks, >Matt Goff >Sitka, Alaska > >-- > >NFC-L List Info: >http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME >http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES >http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm > >ARCHIVES: >1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html >2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L >3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html > >Please submit your observations to eBird: >http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > >-- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: mystery flight calls From: Matt Goff <goff AT nawwal.org> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 16:39:26 -0900 In 2008-2009, I recorded many nights out my back window (in Sitka, Alaska). Several times I captured calls I did not recognize. I'm hoping maybe someone can help ID some of them. These sound like a shorebird to me. http://www.sitkanature.org/wordpress/2008/11/07/wr-night-thirty-eight/ I think the fourth recording here may be of something similar: http://www.sitkanature.org/wordpress/2008/10/28/wr-night-twenty-eight/ (the other mystery calls I later learned were Marbled Murrelets) Thanks, Matt Goff Sitka, Alaska -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: RE: Any help appreciated From: John Kearney <john.kearney AT ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 17:38:27 -0300 Yes, sorry again about the lack of sound Andrew. I think Junco is a good choice for the second one and maybe even the first as well. It is interesting that you had a GCKI with this pattern. Thanks for your help, John From: bounce-70471056-28417328 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-70471056-28417328 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Albright Sent: November 3, 2012 17:13 To: John Kearney Cc: nfc-l AT cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nfc-l] Any help appreciated I'm not very good at just looking at the spectrograms (and not being able to hear the sound), but this looks similiar to Gold-crown. Kinglet that I've recorded recently during the day. And the only other doublet of common birds that I can think of for common birds is Dark-Eyed Junco? On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:30 PM, John Kearney wrote: I had two calls last name that I can't figure out. The first one looks like a Northern Waterthrush but I don't think it is especially as it was preceded by a few seconds by the second call attached. The sound is not very clear so I didn't include it. Thank you. John -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird ! -- -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird ! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Any help appreciated From: Andrew Albright <andrew.albright AT gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:12:32 -0400 I'm not very good at just looking at the spectrograms (and not being able to hear the sound), but this looks similiar to Gold-crown. Kinglet that I've recorded recently during the day. And the only other doublet of common birds that I can think of for common birds is Dark-Eyed Junco? On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 2:30 PM, John Kearney wrote: > I had two calls last name that I can’t figure out. The first one looks > like a Northern Waterthrush but I don’t think it is especially as it was > preceded by a few seconds by the second call attached. The sound is not > very clear so I didn’t include it.**** > > Thank you.**** > > John**** > -- > *NFC-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Any help appreciated From: John Kearney <john.kearney AT ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 15:30:50 -0300 I had two calls last name that I can't figure out. The first one looks like a Northern Waterthrush but I don't think it is especially as it was preceded by a few seconds by the second call attached. The sound is not very clear so I didn't include it. Thank you. John -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: ID Help - Thanks From: "Laura C. Gooch" <lgooch AT alum.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:03:13 -0400 Thanks to Benjamin Van Doren and Anne Klingensmith for IDing my call as (of all things) an American Robin. Laura -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: ID Help From: Laura Gooch <lgooch AT alum.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Can anyone offer any suggestions as to what this call that showed up at my house about 4:30 this morning might be? It's not a very good recording, I'm afraid,  but it seems pretty distinctive. Thanks, Laura -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Nice night flight underway right now: Blackwater Falls State Park, Tucker County, WV From: Ted Floyd <tfloyd AT aba.org> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:43:09 -0600 Hi, all. I've gone back and listened to the recordings, and it looks as if almost all the "mystery calls" are those of Blackpoll Warblers. Honestly, I wondered at the time if that was the case. But I dismissed that possibility, as I would have said that a heavy Blackpoll flight would have been out of the question so late as 27 October. Then again, I remember that the folks at Cape May told me last year that fall Blackpoll flights have been occurring later in recent years. I'm dating myself, but "back in the old days," we would have been down to only a trickle of Blackpolls in the Appalachians by mid-October--or so it seemed at the time. Anyhow, 100+ Blackpoll Warblers during about an hour last Saturday evening. On a paranoid note, I would appreciate it if somebody take a look at the attached sampling, and confirm that I'm right. Am still entertaining the possibility that I'm totally barking up the wrong tree with this one. Always eager to learn, and never mind being proved wrong. Thanks! Ted Floyd tfloyd AT aba.org Lafayette, Boulder County, Colorado > Hello, Birders. > > I've been listening and recording this past hour (10:30 p.m. to 11:30 p.m.), Saturday, Oct. 27th, at Blackwater Falls State Park, Tucker County, WV. Lots of stuff on the move in the fog and mist. Not really sure about most of it, and I forgot to bring with me the cable to connect the recorder to the laptop... :-( > > I'm nearly sure a few of them have been Common Yellowthroats--low (for a warbler), short-duration, and very buzzy. Nothing else really comes to mind. I think I recorded a couple of Palm Warblers, too. Not so sure about the others, honestly. > > Yesterday morning, Friday, Oct. 26th, I heard lots of White-throated Sparrows landing at dawn in the East End section of PIttsburgh, Allegheny County, PA. And sure enough, White-throats were all over that morning, after sunrise, at Frick Park and in the East End neighborhoods. > > I suspect this is the last night for a while that anybody in the ne. USA will be hearing nocturnal migrant warblers and sparrows! > > Ted Floyd > tfloyd AT aba.org > Lafayette, Boulder County, Colorado > -- > NFC-L List Info: > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > Archives: > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > Please submit your observations to eBird! > -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: RE: Nice night flight underway right now: Blackwater Falls State Park, Tucker County, WV From: Rob Fergus <birdchaser AT hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:02:06 -0400 I'm hearing maybe a dozen calls a minute going over NW NJ right now as well, and NEXRAD showing some serious bird movement going on (+24dbZ here, higher over other nearby areas including Philly). Mostly White-crowned Sparrow, Chipping Sparrow, and American Robins, but a good mix of other calls as well. Look forward to reviewing the recording later. Rob Fergus Union Township, Hunterdon Co, NJ http://birdchaser.blogspot.com From: tfloyd AT aba.org Subject: [nfc-l] Nice night flight underway right now: Blackwater Falls State Park, Tucker County, WV Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:34:09 -0600 To: NFC-L AT list.cornell.edu Hello, Birders. I've been listening and recording this past hour (10:30 p.m. to 11:30 p.m.), Saturday, Oct. 27th, at Blackwater Falls State Park, Tucker County, WV. Lots of stuff on the move in the fog and mist. Not really sure about most of it, and I forgot to bring with me the cable to connect the recorder to the laptop... :-( I'm nearly sure a few of them have been Common Yellowthroats--low (for a warbler), short-duration, and very buzzy. Nothing else really comes to mind. I think I recorded a couple of Palm Warblers, too. Not so sure about the others, honestly. Yesterday morning, Friday, Oct. 26th, I heard lots of White-throated Sparrows landing at dawn in the East End section of PIttsburgh, Allegheny County, PA. And sure enough, White-throats were all over that morning, after sunrise, at Frick Park and in the East End neighborhoods. I suspect this is the last night for a while that anybody in the ne. USA will be hearing nocturnal migrant warblers and sparrows! Ted Floydtfloyd AT aba.orgLafayette, Boulder County, Colorado -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Nice night flight underway right now: Blackwater Falls State Park, Tucker County, WV From: Ted Floyd <tfloyd AT aba.org> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 21:34:09 -0600 Hello, Birders. I've been listening and recording this past hour (10:30 p.m. to 11:30 p.m.), Saturday, Oct. 27th, at Blackwater Falls State Park, Tucker County, WV. Lots of stuff on the move in the fog and mist. Not really sure about most of it, and I forgot to bring with me the cable to connect the recorder to the laptop... :-( I'm nearly sure a few of them have been Common Yellowthroats--low (for a warbler), short-duration, and very buzzy. Nothing else really comes to mind. I think I recorded a couple of Palm Warblers, too. Not so sure about the others, honestly. Yesterday morning, Friday, Oct. 26th, I heard lots of White-throated Sparrows landing at dawn in the East End section of PIttsburgh, Allegheny County, PA. And sure enough, White-throats were all over that morning, after sunrise, at Frick Park and in the East End neighborhoods. I suspect this is the last night for a while that anybody in the ne. USA will be hearing nocturnal migrant warblers and sparrows! Ted Floyd tfloyd AT aba.org Lafayette, Boulder County, Colorado -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Assistance with call id From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4 AT cornell.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:00:10 +0000 I believe this sounds like a Henslow's Sparrow. Same timbre/quality as the recording of a known bird. Cool!! Sincerely, Chris T-H On Oct 24, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Soehren, Eric C. wrote: NFC aficionados, Our nightly recordings showed nice passerine movements on the nights of Oct. 20th (257 call detections) and 21st (220 call detections) over southeast Alabama. We’ve been going through our spectrographs and have a question about the one attached. We think it may either be a Brown Creeper or possibly a Henslow’s Sparrow. Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Eric C. Soehren Elhew Field Station Wehle Land Conservation Center 4819 Pleasant Hill Road Midway, AL 36053 (334) 529-3003 (Office) (334) 850-4553 (Work Cell) Satellite Office: AL DCNR, State Lands Division 64 North Union Street, Suite 464 Montgomery, AL 36104 (334) 353-7996 (Office) (334) 242-0999 (Facsimile) eric.soehren AT dcnr.alabama.gov -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- <2012-10-21-073607.86.wav><2012-10-21-073607.86.png> -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Assistance with call id From: "Soehren, Eric C." <Eric.Soehren AT dcnr.alabama.gov> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:02:55 -0500 NFC aficionados, Our nightly recordings showed nice passerine movements on the nights of Oct. 20th (257 call detections) and 21st (220 call detections) over southeast Alabama. We've been going through our spectrographs and have a question about the one attached. We think it may either be a Brown Creeper or possibly a Henslow's Sparrow. Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Eric C. Soehren Elhew Field Station Wehle Land Conservation Center 4819 Pleasant Hill Road Midway, AL 36053 (334) 529-3003 (Office) (334) 850-4553 (Work Cell) Satellite Office: AL DCNR, State Lands Division 64 North Union Street, Suite 464 Montgomery, AL 36104 (334) 353-7996 (Office) (334) 242-0999 (Facsimile) eric.soehren AT dcnr.alabama.gov -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: ADMIN: Raven Pro Software Discount ­– 10th Anniversary Celebration From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4 AT cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 02:55:24 +0000 Good evening! I have received the following exciting information from Tim Krein and the Raven Software Team, that many subscribers to this eList may be able to benefit from. Please feel free to share with others who may be interested. This Halloween, 31 October 2012, marks the 10th anniversary of the first beta version released for Raven 1.0. In celebration of this 10-year anniversary, the current version of Raven Pro Software (plus an alpha build of Raven Pro 1.5) will be available for purchase at 75% off the regular price. This promotional discount will be available from now through 12 November 2012. Visit http://RavenSoundSoftware.com and enter the discount code TENYEARSOFRAVEN to take advantage of this special price reduction. Additional details from Tim follow. Raven Software was initially created to help scientists acquire, visualize, measure and analyze sounds. Over the past ten years, we've added a free version (Raven Lite) and a museum kiosk version (Raven Exhibit) as well as multiple versions of Raven Pro with new features including detection and cross correlation. To commemorate this occasion, we will be offering 75% discounts off standard, commercial, and instructional/lab licenses of Raven Pro from now through 12 November 2012. Visit http://RavenSoundSoftware.com/ for more information and for the discount code to enter at check-out through our online store. Other discounts available for Raven Pro may not be combined with this discount. If you've been waiting in the wings to purchase this powerful software, now is the time to buy. Free upgrades to Raven Pro 1.5 will be eligible for all licenses purchased as part of this promotion and any other licenses purchased for Raven Pro 1.4 and previous versions. In addition to the discount promotion, we have made the first alpha build of Raven Pro 1.5 available on our web site. This version includes a gridded selection review and annotation tool that should be useful for rapid review and human classification of selections created by detectors or manual human browsing. The alpha version includes support to display actual clock times in the time axis, new playback features and the ability to compare selection tables to assess detector performance. A 30-day trial period of Raven Pro 1.4 is available by writing to raven_orders AT cornell.edu, but don't miss out on the chance to obtain a permanent license for the software at the discounted rate through 12 November 2012. We hope that users on this eList will take advantage of the 10-year anniversary pricing and try out the new version of the software! Regards, Tim Krein Raven Sound Software and Exhibit Development Bioacoustics Research Program Cornell Lab of Ornithology Sincerely, Chris T-H -- Chris Tessaglia-Hymes Listowner, NFC-L Ithaca, New York cth4 AT cornell.edu NFC-L – Archives NFC-L – Welcome and Basics NFC-L – Rules and Information NFC-L – Subscribe, Configuration and Leave -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: RE: Nocturnal finch calls From: Jeff Wells <jeffwells AT borealbirds.org> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:50:30 +0000 I am happy to provide pdfs of our recent Wilson Bulletin short paper documenting nocturnally migrating Pine Siskins to anyone who is interested. Jeff Wells From: bounce-69354254-9874258 AT list.cornell.edu [mailto:bounce-69354254-9874258 AT list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of pjdeye AT aol.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:02 PM To: nfc-l AT cornell.edu Subject: [nfc-l] Nocturnal finch calls Friday night I recorded Pine Siskins several times between 3 and 5.30 am and Purple Finch at 5.20am. I was surprised to hear these supposed diurnal migrants so early. Something else of interest was Hermit Thrushes flying over with chup calls on two occasions. Paul Driver Elkins Park, PA pjdeye.blogspot.com -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Nocturnal finch calls From: <pjdeye AT aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:01:35 -0400 Friday night I recorded Pine Siskins several times between 3 and 5.30 am and Purple Finch at 5.20am. I was surprised to hear these supposed diurnal migrants so early. Something else of interest was Hermit Thrushes flying over with chup calls on two occasions. Paul Driver Elkins Park, PA pjdeye.blogspot.com -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Call ID? From: "Michael O'Brien" <tsweet AT comcast.net> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 16:58:16 +0000 Hi Will, The relatively low pitch and rough quality sound just fine for Gray-cheeked. This is a good illustration of how some Gray-cheek calls can be less arched than "typical". best, Michael Michael O'Brien Victor Emanuel Nature Tours www.ventbird.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wil Hershberger" To: "Nocturnal Flight Call Listserv" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 4:17:29 PM Subject: [nfc-l] Call ID? There were very few calls last night here. The only really clear call that was recorded is attached. Is this Bicknell's or Gray-cheeked thrush? -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird ! -- Wil Hershberger Nature Images and Sounds, LLC Hedgesville, WV The Songs of Insects My Blog -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: A couple of unknown calls From: <pjdeye AT aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:12:42 -0400 Bill, I suspected they were RBGR but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything, or over-calling weird off-key calls as all RBGR. It certainly is the "great imitator" of the nocturnal flight call world. Paul Driver Elkins Park, PA -----Original Message----- From: Bill Evans To: pjdeye Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 8:22 am Subject: Re: [nfc-l] A couple of unknown calls Paul, I agree the first is green heron, followed by what I’d guess is an odd RBGR, perhaps a juv bird. The second cut sounds to be RBGR, also likely a juv, followed by Veery. Least Bittern turns out to be a lot easier to document in night flight than scouring swamps during the day! Best, Bill E From: pjdeye AT aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:17 PM To: nfc-l AT cornell.edu Subject: [nfc-l] A couple of unknown calls I'd appreciate opinions on the attached calls, recorded near Philadelphia over a hay meadow this fall. Also, I have a nice Least Bittern call from last Sunday night at pjdeye.blogspot.com. Paul Driver Elkins Park, PA -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Call ID? From: Wil Hershberger <wil AT natureimagesandsounds.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:17:29 -0400 There were very few calls last night here. The only really clear call that was recorded is attached. Is this Bicknell's or Gray-cheeked thrush? Wil Hershberger Nature Images and Sounds, LLC Hedgesville, WV The Songs of Insects My Blog -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Light migration over Hunterdon Co, NJ last night From: Tim Krein <tpk8 AT cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 22:27:35 +0000 Rob, Thanks for posting that information. The grid format of Glassofire packs a lot of information into a small area. I've just posted the first alpha build of Raven Pro 1.5 to http://RavenSoundSoftware.com/. This version includes a selection review and annotation tool that's similar to the Glassofire interface but allows you to annotate the calls within a Raven selection table and have the 4-letter species codes on the screen with the calls. A sample screen shot is at http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp/raven/RavenFeatures.html but does not include the species overlays. There is some documentation along with the installer on the download page. More to come in the near future about Raven as a tool for NFC monitoring. Tim -- Tim Krein Raven Sound Software and Exhibit Development Bioacoustics Research Program Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Rd Ithaca, NY 14850 tpk8 AT cornell.edu From: Rob Fergus > Reply-To: Rob Fergus > Date: Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:49 PM To: NFC-L > Subject: [nfc-l] Light migration over Hunterdon Co, NJ last night I'm starting to experiment with how to share my nightly NFC data on my blog. Here's the latest from last night. All IDs are preliminary, of course :-) Any comments and thoughts welcome! http://birdchaser.blogspot.com/2012/10/nj-nocturnal-migration-10-october-2012.html Rob Fergus Union Township, Hunterdon Co, NJ http://birdchaser.blogspot.com -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations toeBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: A couple of unknown calls From: <pjdeye AT aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:17:41 -0400 I'd appreciate opinions on the attached calls, recorded near Philadelphia over a hay meadow this fall. Also, I have a nice Least Bittern call from last Sunday night at pjdeye.blogspot.com. Paul Driver Elkins Park, PA -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Light migration over Hunterdon Co, NJ last night From: Rob Fergus <birdchaser AT hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:49:39 -0500 I'm starting to experiment with how to share my nightly NFC data on my blog. Here's the latest from last night. All IDs are preliminary, of course :-) Any comments and thoughts welcome!http://birdchaser.blogspot.com/2012/10/nj-nocturnal-migration-10-october-2012.html Rob Fergus Union Township, Hunterdon Co, NJ http://birdchaser.blogspot.com -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Night Flight - Upstate NY From: Kenneth Victor Rosenberg <kvr2 AT cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 03:11:28 +0000 Between 10:45 and 11 PM, I heard 3 distinct GRAY-CHEEKED THRUSHES over Ithaca, NY -- seems a bit late for them but clearly they are still migrating out of the Northeast U.S. Also a few Savannah Sparrows and a "Dendroica" warbler. KEN Ken Rosenberg Conservation Science Program Cornell Lab of Ornithology 607-254-2412 607-342-4594 (cell) kvr2 AT cornell.edu On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:51 PM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes wrote: There's a pretty constant stream of Sparrows and Warblers tonight over Etna, NY. Good luck to anyone else listening in this area! Sincerely, Chris T-H -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Night Flight - Upstate NY From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4 AT cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 02:51:13 +0000 There's a pretty constant stream of Sparrows and Warblers tonight over Etna, NY. Good luck to anyone else listening in this area! Sincerely, Chris T-H -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples From: Linda Orkin <wingmagic16 AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:55:36 -0400 Thanks Chris. I also really enjoy these calls that you have definitively identified. Is the difference in amplitude between the two calls a function of the birds' altitudes? Linda Orkin. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 1:40 PM, "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" wrote: > For those interested, here are some examples of typical Gray-cheeked Thrush night flight calls from some recent nights over Etna, NY. > > Sincerely, > Chris T-H > > -- > Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes > Field Applications Engineer > Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology > 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 > W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 > http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp > -- > NFC-L List Info: > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > Archives: > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > Please submit your observations to eBird! > -- > > > > > > -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: bizarre acoustic experience From: Jeff Wells <jeffwells AT borealbirds.org> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:21:02 +0000 Sorry if this is kind of off topic but a week ago we came home (Gardiner, Maine) from somewhere around 9:00 PM and were treated to one of the most bizarre acoustic experiences I have had for a long time. I could hear migrating birds overheard with the ubiquitous cricket chorus but layered on that was the neighbor's dog howling like a wolf, the soft crackling of another neighbor's backyard fire, and the sounds of the local high school football game including the booming announcer and sometimes the high school band and drums and wild cheering. I had to do a couple of recordings just to document it as I doubt it will ever come together like that again. It was not a heavy nocturnal calling night but if you can block out all the other sounds you may hear some of the birds too. Here are the two recordings I made if anyone is interested and sorry for it not being spot-on target for the listserve... http://soundcloud.com/birdwells/sounds-from-friday-evening-7 http://soundcloud.com/birdwells/sounds-from-friday-evening-6 Jeff Jeff Wells -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples From: Andrew Albright <andrew.albright AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:35:21 -0400 I found that during good thrush nights there were some time periods when it seemed that flocks of Swainson's or Grey-Cheeked would come through together: I think that most of these are Grey Cheeked: http://soundcloud.com/user3781125/ws502090-cutdown4-grey-cheeked I think that most of these are Swainson's - http://soundcloud.com/user3781125/ws502090-cutdown3 note - this was in the middle of the night and the calls are high and relatively faint so you need to turn the volume all the way up...but they are audible with earphones plugged into the computer. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Laurent Fournier wrote: > I second Laura. The old bird website has tons of warblers and sparrows > NFC, but I would love to have more thrushes NFC. > > Swaisson, Wood, Veery, Hermit Thrush, anyone? > > > > Laurent > > > > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Laura Gooch wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> Thanks! This kind of thing is very useful to those of us on the lower >> reaches of the learning curve. >> >> Laura >> >> --- On *Thu, 10/4/12, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes *wrote: >> >> >> From: Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes >> Subject: [nfc-l] Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples >> To: "NFC-L" >> Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 1:40 PM >> >> For those interested, here are some examples of typical Gray-cheeked >> Thrush night flight calls from some recent nights over Etna, NY. >> >> Sincerely, >> Chris T-H >> >> -- >> Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes >> Field Applications Engineer >> Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology >> 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 >> W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 >> http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp >> -- >> *NFC-L List Info:* >> Welcome and Basics >> Rules and Information >> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >> *Archives:* >> The Mail Archive >> Surfbirds >> BirdingOnThe.Net >> *Please submit your observations to eBird >> !* >> -- >> >> -- >> *NFC-L List Info:* >> Welcome and Basics >> Rules and Information >> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >> *Archives:* >> The Mail Archive >> Surfbirds >> BirdingOnThe.Net >> *Please submit your observations to eBird >> !* >> -- >> > > -- > *NFC-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples From: Laurent Fournier <poecile.cinctus AT gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 08:54:44 -0400 I second Laura. The old bird website has tons of warblers and sparrows NFC, but I would love to have more thrushes NFC. Swaisson, Wood, Veery, Hermit Thrush, anyone? Laurent On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Laura Gooch wrote: > Chris, > > Thanks! This kind of thing is very useful to those of us on the lower > reaches of the learning curve. > > Laura > > --- On *Thu, 10/4/12, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes *wrote: > > > From: Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes > Subject: [nfc-l] Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples > To: "NFC-L" > Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 1:40 PM > > For those interested, here are some examples of typical Gray-cheeked > Thrush night flight calls from some recent nights over Etna, NY. > > Sincerely, > Chris T-H > > -- > Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes > Field Applications Engineer > Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology > 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 > W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 > http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp > -- > *NFC-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > > -- > *NFC-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > *Archives:* > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > *Please submit your observations to eBird > !* > -- > -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples From: Laura Gooch <lgooch AT alum.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 13:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Chris, Thanks! This kind of thing is very useful to those of us on the lower reaches of the learning curve. Laura --- On Thu, 10/4/12, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes wrote: From: Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes Subject: [nfc-l] Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples To: "NFC-L" Date: Thursday, October 4, 2012, 1:40 PM For those interested, here are some examples of typical Gray-cheeked Thrush night flight calls from some recent nights over Etna, NY. Sincerely, Chris T-H -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418   M: 607-351-5740   F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -- NFC-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Mystery LF Call From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4 AT cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 17:44:45 +0000 The following call has me temporarily stumped. It was definitely a transiting bird in the sky, as it called again a few moments later, but clearly farther away. It has certain rail-like qualities or perhaps tern- or shorebird-like qualities. Thoughts? Thanks! Sincerely, Chris T-H -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Gray-cheeked Thrush Examples From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4 AT cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 17:40:32 +0000 For those interested, here are some examples of typical Gray-cheeked Thrush night flight calls from some recent nights over Etna, NY. Sincerely, Chris T-H -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: help with sparrow from Sept. 25 From: Caleb Putnam <caleb.putnam AT gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:52:48 -0400 All- I could use some help on this recording from my house in Sand Lake, MI at 2346 hrs on September 25, 2012. It was made with Bill Evans's 21c microphone. Audio: http://soundcloud.com/user9140545/sparrow-sp-sep-25-2012-2346 Sonogram: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27846187 AT N07/8054073788/ The bird was lateral to the microphone a fair ways, perhaps 100m, and so the signal was not picked up as strongly as I had hoped. I was listening on my roof at the time and immediately recognized this as different from the numerous Savannah Sparrows which were flying that night, mainly because of the longer duration note. Depending on how you measure it, it appears to be about 0.15-0.18 seconds long, but I am not clear that the end of the note wasn't cut off due to the poor recording (?) since the bottom band gets 'fuzzy'. I immediately suspected Nelson's (NESP) or Le Conte's Sparrow (LCSP), but the bands don't appear as parallel as the ones for LCSP in Evans and O'Brien (Flight Calls of Migratory Birds) and are not a perfect match for any of the NESP/LCSP recordings I see there. They do seem close to the Fig. 6 recording for NESP from April 26, 1989 in Florida (listed as hypothetical). Can any progress be made on this one, or shall I best leave it as sparrow sp.? Or can I confidently call it an Ammodramus sp., or even Le Conte's/Nelson's? Thanks, Caleb -- Caleb G. Putnam Sand Lake, MI caleb.putnam AT gmail.com -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: sounds of morning fallout in Maine From: Jeff Wells <jeffwells AT borealbirds.org> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:51:21 +0000 This morning at 5 when I stepped out of our house in Gardiner, Maine (south-central Maine about 30 miles from coast) in the dark, the sky was filled with flight calls of birds (low ceiling, intermittent light showers). Using my iPhone I made a 5 minute recording of what it sounded like if anyone is interested (link below). Sadly, I was not running my audio station.... Haven't gone through really carefully but includes Hermit Thrushes, Swainson's Thrushes, Savannah Sparrows, Yellow-rumped Warblers, White-throated Sparrows, a Common Yellowthroat, perhaps a couple of Swamp/Lincoln's Sparrows and I'm sure some other things too. http://soundcloud.com/birdwells/sounds-from-thursday-morning-1 Jeff Wells -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Etna, NY: BICKNELL'S THRUSH - 10/4/2012 From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4 AT cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:46:42 +0000 During the morning descent of thrushes calling, I was pleasantly surprised to record another nice example of a BICKNELL'S THRUSH flight call. This bird called at 6:29AM. This bird's call peaks out at about 5.23kHz, well above any Gray-cheeked Thrush NFC that I've seen. Most of the Gray-cheeked Thrush flight calls that I have recorded, peak out in the 3.5-4.5kHz frequency band, with a very occasional call that might peak out every so slightly above 4.5kHz. The overall duration of this call is shorter than the one from the other night, this lasting only 208ms. The quality and timbre of the call is likened to a much higher-pitched and wheezy-sounding "Gray-cheeked Thrush". An edited copy of the call is attached, again to remove the cricket band and slightly amplify the sound. A screen grab of the call is also attached. Good night listening! Sincerely, Chris T-H -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Etna, NY: Dickcissel - 10/4/2012 From: "Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes" <cth4 AT cornell.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:26:21 +0000 Toward the end of a fairly good stream of migrants overnight, early this morning at 4:04AM, a single Dickcissel was audible calling once while passing over my listening station in Etna, NY. Attached is an edited sound file of the call. I had to filter out the cricket band and amplify the call slightly. Good night listening! Sincerely, Chris T-H -- Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes Field Applications Engineer Bioacoustics Research Program, Cornell Lab of Ornithology 159 Sapsucker Woods Road, Ithaca, New York 14850 W: 607-254-2418 M: 607-351-5740 F: 607-254-1132 http://www.birds.cornell.edu/brp -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- Subject: Re: Eastern Meadowlark NFCs From: Jay K <azure.jay AT earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 19:27:00 -0700 Subject: Eastern Meadowlark NFCs From: Bill Hubick <bill_hubick AT yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 18:22:58 -0700 Hi Everyone, While commuting to Ocean City, Maryland on Sunday, 9/30, we made a stop in Easton, Maryland (Eastern Shore) at 3:40 a.m. to pick up a friend. While standing on the street and noting warblers passing overhead, I heard a call I recognized and immediately called it Eastern Meadowlark. This would be my first called in nocturnal flight, so, as whenever this is the case, I found myself hesitant. By coincidence, while driving home from work on Monday, I heard the same call I'd heard the previous night. Crazy?  Maybe. My iPod is nearly always on random shuffle across all music and audio recordings. One of the ways I feel calibrated is when I consistently make correct calls without context on my iPod shuffle (e.g., long-term success rate on BLGR vs. DICK). So, I hit pause and sure enough - Eastern Meadowlark. I decided I was going to claim it. So, my question is how unusual are EAME NFCs? Anything I'm not thinking of that is possible and extremely similar (besides WEME)? The Evans/O'Brien CD summarizes, "Primarily a nocturnal migrant but engages in limited resumed migration. Gives flight call regularly while perched and in flight during the day. Rarely gives flight call in nocturnal migration." We do, in fact, hear this call regularly from migrant meadowlarks on Assateague Island, and it is getting to be that time. The vast majority of my records on the island are from October and November. The other possible explanation, of course, is that local birds move around pre-dawn. While listening very late/early this spring, I'd hear local bluebirds calling overhead that I didn't end up thinking were actually migrating. Very interested in any thoughts. Thanks! Bill   Bill Hubick Pasadena, Maryland bill_hubick AT yahoo.com http://www.billhubick.com http://www.marylandbiodiversity.com -- NFC-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_WELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC_RULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NFC-L_SubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nfc-l AT cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NFC-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NFCL.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --