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26 Nov Re: Lesser Black-backed Gull photos ["Phil Pickering" ]
26 Nov Lesser Black-backed Gull photos [Barbara Combs ]
26 Nov RBA: Portland, OR 11-26-14 [Harry Nehls ]
25 Nov Snow Geese at Sauvie [Chris Downie ]
25 Nov very probable Pintail Snipe - Curry County [Jeff Gilligan ]
25 Nov Fwd: Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like [Bob Archer ]
25 Nov Wile E Jay ["L Markoff" ]
25 Nov Re: Common and less common Pochards [Bob ]
25 Nov Re: Common and less common Pochards [Bob ]
25 Nov Re: VIDEOS of Aythya porteri (aka SW Portland Redhead/Pochard/hybrid thingie) [Alan Contreras ]
25 Nov possible tree sparrow on Rentenaar Rd., Sauvie Island ["WLRisser" ]
25 Nov Pochards & Gunnar [Joel Geier ]
25 Nov VIDEOS of Aythya porteri (aka SW Portland Redhead/Pochard/hybrid thingie) [Joel Geier ]
25 Nov VIDEOS of Aythya porteri (aka SW Portland Redhead/Pochard/hybrid thingie) [Jay Withgott ]
25 Nov Re: Common and less common Pochards [Alan Contreras ]
25 Nov Common and less common Pochards [Joel Geier ]
25 Nov another oddball duck [Dwight P ]
26 Nov Re: Common Pochard Challenge ["Jenkins, Maurice A." ]
25 Nov Re: LBBG photos... ["Phil Pickering" ]
25 Nov A note on salvage permits [Alan Contreras ]
25 Nov Re: Common Pochard Challenge [Wayne Hoffman ]
25 Nov Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like [Alan Contreras ]
25 Nov Re: Another pic of Dwight's Athya sp..... [Mike Patterson ]
25 Nov Re: Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like [Wayne Hoffman ]
25 Nov Re: Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like []
26 Nov Re: Common Pochard Challenge ["Jenkins, Maurice A." ]
25 Nov Re: LBBG photos... [Mike Patterson ]
25 Nov Re: Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like [Alan Contreras ]
25 Nov Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like [Beverly Hallberg ]
25 Nov Lesser BB Gull photos needed [Alan Contreras ]
25 Nov American Tree Sparrow, Rentenaar Road, Sauvie Island [Wink Gross ]
25 Nov Lincoln County Rough-legged Hawk ["Deb Holland" ]
25 Nov LBB Gull update [Alan Contreras ]
25 Nov Detroit Lake Pacific Loon, Barrow's Goldeneyes below [Roy Gerig ]
25 Nov Photos: Streaked Horned Lark Baskett Slough NWR 11-24-14 [Jim Leonard ]
25 Nov Red-shouldered Beauty common in Jackson County [Harry Fuller ]
25 Nov Re: Common Pochard Oregon History [Jeff Gilligan ]
25 Nov Re: Common Pochard Oregon History ["Paul Sullivan" ]
25 Nov LBB yes [Alan Contreras ]
25 Nov CBC's [clay crofton ]
25 Nov Re: Common Pochard Oregon History [Gerard Lillie ]
25 Nov Re: The SW Portland Duck [David Irons ]
24 Nov Re: Common Pochard Oregon History [Mike Patterson ]
24 Nov Common Pochard Challenge ["Robert O'Brien" ]
24 Nov Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland [Bob ]
24 Nov Re: Common Pochard Oregon History ["Mary Anne Sohlstrom" ]
24 Nov Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland [Dwight P ]
24 Nov Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland [Alan Contreras ]
24 Nov Re: Common Pochard Oregon History [Jeff Gilligan ]
24 Nov Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland [Bob ]
25 Nov Re: Tech question [Michael Medina ]
24 Nov Malheur Long-tailed Duck [Tim Blount ]
24 Nov Common Pochard Oregon History ["Robert O'Brien" ]
24 Nov American Tree Sparrow and Three Short-eared Owl [Jack Williamson ]
24 Nov American Tree Sparrow [Nels Nelson ]
24 Nov Columbia County [Donald Coggswell ]
24 Nov Lewis's Woodpeckers, regular wintering bird in Jackson County [Harry Fuller ]
24 Nov Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland [Dwight P ]
24 Nov TWO Lesser BB Gulls [Alan Contreras ]
24 Nov Lane Co. Lesser Black-backed Gull photos [Noah Strycker ]
24 Nov Marys Peak NO GCRFincch; Pine Grosbeak ["Pat Tilley" ]
24 Nov Perfect Male Anna's Hummer [john shewey ]
24 Nov Re: Umatilla/McNary Pine Grosbeaks & Boardman Raptor Route [Bob Archer ]
24 Nov Re: PDX American Tree Sparrow Photos [Bob Archer ]
24 Nov RBA L BB GULL continues [Alan Contreras ]
24 Nov PDX American Tree Sparrow Photos [Jen Sanford ]
24 Nov Mary's Peak Rosey-finches and Pine Grosbeaks YES ["Linda Gilbert" ]
24 Nov Eugene: BH Grosbeak in my yard! [Julia Siporin ]
24 Nov Re: Umatilla/McNary Pine Grosbeaks & Boardman Raptor Route [David Irons ]
24 Nov LBBGull YES [Alan Contreras ]
24 Nov Re: Dead owl ["Wayne Hoffman" ]
24 Nov Umatilla/McNary Pine Grosbeaks & Boardman Raptor Route [Bill Bradford ]
24 Nov Possibly 3 Short-eared Owls - Broughton Beach PDX [Beverly Hallberg ]
24 Nov Marine drive [Jack Williamson ]
24 Nov Re: LBB Gull no [Lars Per Norgren ]
24 Nov JoCo Gulls Continue ["Dennis Vroman" ]

Subject: Re: Lesser Black-backed Gull photos
From: "Phil Pickering" <philliplc AT charter.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 02:44:20 -0800
>The flight photo shows no white spots near the wing tips

Not questioning that it's a second individual (second gull on
the grassy knoll), but the outermost primary which would
normally have the lone white mirror in a fully mature bird is 
not detectable at all in the standing shots. It may still be 
growing or perhaps in a state of suspended molt.

Also it clearly has well formed apical spots, which based on
photo study seems more than a bit odd for a subadult. It
could be that there is something out of sync with the
maturity of this individual.

Phil


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Subject: Lesser Black-backed Gull photos
From: Barbara Combs <bcombs232 AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:41:37 -0800
I uploaded some of my photos of this gull to eBird.  I took them on the
24th, not on
the day the checklist was generated, the 23rd of November.

I had written some details, but lost them when the session expired while I
was learning how to upload photos to eBird.  Sigh. I give up for now and
will rewrite them later.

There is a left side, a right side, a flight photo, and a photo near a
Ring-billed Gull for a size comparison.  The flight photo shows no white
spots near the wing tips, which would be expected if this bird is a
subadult, as most or all of those who have seen it seem to believe.

Here is the link:  http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S20675151

-- 
Barbara Combs   obie '70
Lane County, OR
Subject: RBA: Portland, OR 11-26-14
From: Harry Nehls <hnehls6 AT comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:05:35 -0800
- RBA
* Oregon
* Portland
* November 26, 2014
* ORPO1411.26

- birds mentioned

TUNDRA BEAN GOOSE
Rossąs Goose
Trumpeter Swan
Long-tailed Duck
Red-breasted Merganser
BROWN BOOBY
Snowy Egret
Cattle Egret
Rough-legged Hawk
Red Phalarope
LESSER BLACK-BACKED GULL
Short-eared Owl
YELLOW-BELLIED SAPSUCKER
Barn Swallow
Snow Bunting
Common Yellowthroat
American Tree Sparrow
Black-headed Grosbeak
HOODED ORIOLE
Gray-crowned Rosy-Finch
Pine Grosbeak

- transcript

hotline: Portland Oregon Audubon RBA (weekly)
number: 503-292-6855
To report: Harry Nehls 503-233-3976  
compiler: Harry Nehls
coverage: entire state

Hello, this is the Audubon Society of Portland Rare Bird Report. This report
was made Wednesday November 26. If you have anything to add call Harry Nehls
503-292-6855. 

Two LESSER BLACK-BACKED GULLS are now being seen along Ricketts Road a
couple of miles north of Creswell. On November 21 a bright HOODED ORIOLE
visited a feeder in North Bend but did not remain. The Vadis YELLOW-BELLIED
SAPSUCKER near North Plains continues to be seen. On November 22 a BROWN
BOOBY flew southward past Boiler Bay. The Yaquina Bay and Pacific City
BOOBIES continue to be seen as is the Nestucca NWR TUNDRA BEAN GOOSE.

The Flores Lake CATTLE EGRET is still being seen. On November 23 a SNOW
BUNTING was on Bullards beach north of Bandon. A TRUMPETER SWAN was seen
November 22 near Westport.

A RED-BREASTED MERGANSER was seen November 25 on Vancouver Lake. The SNOWY
EGRET continues at Post Office Lake near the Ridgefield NWR. On November 21
a ROSSąS GOOSE was among the goose flocks in Scappoose Bottoms. It, or
another was on Sauvie Island November 25. A TREE SPARROW was along Rentenaar
Road on the island that day. A rather tame TREE SPARROW and three
SHORT-EARED OWLS are now at Broughton Beach near the Portland Airport.

A RED PHALAROPE was seen November 22 at the Yamhill Sewage Ponds. Three BARN
SWALLOWS were at Salem that day. Six ROUGH-LEGGED HAWKS and a late COMMON
YELLOWTHROAT were at Finley NWR November 22. Three PINE GROSBEAKS and 24
ROSY-FINCHES continue on Marys Peak in the Coast Range near Philomath. On
November 24 a BLACK-HEADED GROSBEAK visited a Eugene feeder.

A pair of PINE GROSBEAKS were at the Big River Golf Course near McNary Dam
November 23. That day a group of five ROSY-FINCHES were at Smith Rocks State
Park. A LONG-TAILED DUCK is now being seen on the pond at Malheur NWR
Headquarters.

Thatąs it for this week.

- end transcript










Subject: Snow Geese at Sauvie
From: Chris Downie <downtown71 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:10:51 -0800
I traveled out to Sauvie Island this afternoon to track down the recently
reported Ross's Goose.  I found one but it took me over an hour to identify
it among a huge flock of Snow Geese.   Estimates from this large grouping
of birds near Fazio Farms; 1 Ross's, 400+ Snow Geese. 1000+ Cacklers, and
120 Sandhill Cranes.

Chris Downie, Portland
Subject: very probable Pintail Snipe - Curry County
From: Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:48:22 -0700
I recently talked with Terry Wahl who reports an intriguing sighting/hearing of 
a probable Pintail Snipe, Terry hears Common Snipe daily in season on his 
family ranch. 


 He was on another ranch and flushed two snipe that flew off calling one after 
the other. One called like a typical Wilson's Snipe. The other repeatedly 
called in what Terry described as a like a squeeze toy making an "ank" sound. 
He later went online and listened to various snipe calls and found that the 
bird he heard matched the calls of Pintail Snipe. Terry has had many very good 
finds through the years on his ranch and elsewhere, and is a very good 
observer. 


The subject snipe is on another ranch and at a location that is not accessible 
to birders. 



Jeff Gilligan 

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Subject: Fwd: Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like
From: Bob Archer <rabican1 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:38:24 -0800
Hi: 

If Pyle is current, and I can read the jargon...Seems all the pochards go 
through their PF molt from Sep to Mar. So with the brown eye ( problem is 
females also show brown eyes) and dullish bill, isn't this a hatch year bird a 
little late in a PF molt? I tried to age based on the open wing but I can't 
tell if there are molt limits . The nice contrasting gray wing stripe favors a 
Redhead over Canvasback. 


I would find it fun to see an in focus picture of the nail, large in REDH 
smaller in CANV and very tiny in Common Pochard. 




We seem to have a few ducks to track this winter in the area!
> 

Bob Archer
PDX

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Subject: Wile E Jay
From: "L Markoff" <canyoneagle AT comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:54:54 -0800
Hi Obol,

 

This morning one of the Steller's Jays eating suet from the feeder outside
my second-floor window got a little carried away with the suet...literally!

 

It tried to pick up a large piece of suet.  It would pick it up, but the
suet was so heavy that the Jay would lose its grip and drop it.  It tried
several times until finally it had the suet firmly in it bill.  It moved to
the edge of the feeder and launched into the air...and then fell like a
rock!  It reminded me of Wile E Coyote, anvil in his arms, falling off a
cliff... nyerrrrrrrr...BOOM!  I jumped out of my chair, ran to the window,
and saw the Jay on the ground with the suet.  It tried again to lift it, but
couldn't do it.  It eventually gave up and flew off.

 

Given that Steller's Jays weigh less than 4 oz, I suspect that the piece of
suet weighed more than the Jay.  Too bad I don't have video of that Jay,
what a hoot!  But, here are two photos, one of a Jay at the suet feeder and
the other of the piece of suet from the failed launch.

 

 
https://www.flickr.com/gp/canyoneagle/L4hC6q/

 

Gravity 1, Jay 0.

 

Lori Markoff

Eugene
Subject: Re: Common and less common Pochards
From: Bob <rflores_2 AT msn.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:04:07 -0800
Oops forgot my last sentence. Any species not listed by the State is considered 
a protected species. 


Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 20:02, Bob  wrote:
> 
> Waterfowl hunting regulations cover species the State has authorized to be 
hunt. The species chosen are common species an that is why you can not find 
those such as pochard. Basically the State lists in it's regulations those 
species and how many can be taken daily. 

> 
> Bob Flores
> Ridgefield, WA
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 19:15, Alan Contreras  wrote:
>> 
>> Jeez, are there learned gentlemen on this list?  Who knew?
>> 
>> I have no idea how nonstandard waterfowl are handled by the regs. Are you 
perchance conflating pochards and poachers? 

>> 
>> Have a blast out there, Gunnar N.
>> 
>> .
>> .
>> Alan Contreras
>> acontrer56 AT gmail.com
>> 
>> Eugene, Oregon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Joel Geier wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I've been looking hard in the ODFW migratory waterfowl hunting
>>> regulations but have not yet been able to find daily bag limits on
>>> Common Pochard, Baikal Teal, Taiga Bean-Goose, Tufted Duck, Eurasian
>>> Wigeon, Chiloe Wigeon, Mandarin Duck, Black Swan, Garganey, Red-breasted
>>> Goose or other similar species that I'm usually aiming for when I clean
>>> the spiderwebs out of my 12-gauge to go out hunting for a day.
>>> 
>>> Could some of the learned gentlemen on this list please advise on how I
>>> should interpret the ODFW bag limits, as they don't mention any of these
>>> species?
>>> 
>>> Yours sincerely,
>>> Gunnar Norland
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
Subject: Re: Common and less common Pochards
From: Bob <rflores_2 AT msn.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:01:20 -0800
Waterfowl hunting regulations cover species the State has authorized to be 
hunt. The species chosen are common species an that is why you can not find 
those such as pochard. Basically the State lists in it's regulations those 
species and how many can be taken daily. 


Bob Flores
Ridgefield, WA

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 19:15, Alan Contreras  wrote:
> 
> Jeez, are there learned gentlemen on this list?  Who knew?
> 
> I have no idea how nonstandard waterfowl are handled by the regs. Are you 
perchance conflating pochards and poachers? 

> 
> Have a blast out there, Gunnar N.
> 
> .
> .
> Alan Contreras
> acontrer56 AT gmail.com
> 
> Eugene, Oregon
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Joel Geier wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've been looking hard in the ODFW migratory waterfowl hunting
>> regulations but have not yet been able to find daily bag limits on
>> Common Pochard, Baikal Teal, Taiga Bean-Goose, Tufted Duck, Eurasian
>> Wigeon, Chiloe Wigeon, Mandarin Duck, Black Swan, Garganey, Red-breasted
>> Goose or other similar species that I'm usually aiming for when I clean
>> the spiderwebs out of my 12-gauge to go out hunting for a day.
>> 
>> Could some of the learned gentlemen on this list please advise on how I
>> should interpret the ODFW bag limits, as they don't mention any of these
>> species?
>> 
>> Yours sincerely,
>> Gunnar Norland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Subject: Re: VIDEOS of Aythya porteri (aka SW Portland Redhead/Pochard/hybrid thingie)
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:56:23 -0800
Good idea, there may well be a difference in taste.

Alan Contreras
Eugene, Oregon

acontrer56 AT gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone 



> On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:38 PM, Joel Geier  wrote:
> 
> Dear Mr. Jay and all,
> 
> The video is very nice but can I shoot it?
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> Gunnar Norland
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: possible tree sparrow on Rentenaar Rd., Sauvie Island
From: "WLRisser" <wlrisser AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:53:05 -0800
I reported a chipping sparrow eating seed across from the apple tree on
Rentenaar Road a few days ago.  I got to thinking about this after the tree
sparrow was reported from Broughton Beach.  I was far away from the alleged
chipping sparrow, and all that I noticed was a small, clear breasted sparrow
with an obvious red crown.  I wasn't closed enough to see details of the
face or to see if there was  a dark spot on the breast.  Since Sibley and
others don't picture the chipping sparrow as having a red crown at this time
of year, perhaps I was looking at a tree sparrow.  You might keep your eye
out when looking at sparrows on Rentenaar Road.  Will Risser, Portland.
Subject: Pochards & Gunnar
From: Joel Geier <joel.geier AT peak.org>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:49:08 -0800
Apologies all, our Swedish house guest got a bit out of line. We have
him sedated now but he's still twitching a bit and mumbling something
about Emperor Geese.

Happy birding,
Joel




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Subject: VIDEOS of Aythya porteri (aka SW Portland Redhead/Pochard/hybrid thingie)
From: Joel Geier <joel.geier AT peak.org>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:38:55 -0800
Dear Mr. Jay and all,

The video is very nice but can I shoot it?

Yours sincerely,
Gunnar Norland




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Subject: VIDEOS of Aythya porteri (aka SW Portland Redhead/Pochard/hybrid thingie)
From: Jay Withgott <withgott AT comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:19:25 -0800
Hello all -- 

I have posted videos of the Aythya duck found by Dwight Porter at the Oregon 
Episcopal School (OES) pond here: 


https://picasaweb.google.com/114481402865976904547/OESAythya?authkey=Gv1sRgCLiuyPHujNLvLg 


There is one long video of a continuous swim followed by fifteen (15) short 
clips of the bird in between dives. Videos are helpful for an identification 
issue such as this because taken together, they show the bird from all angles 
so that bill shape, head shape, etc. can be more reliably judged. I was unable 
to adjust my camera settings to compensate well for glare, so the bird appears 
more washed-out and less brown than it actually is, but the videos do give an 
accurate impression of shapes. Make sure to click on the little setting icon in 
the lower right corner to get the High-Def version for each video one by one, 
bcs it seems not to be the default on Picasa. 


I have been of the opinion from the beginning that the bird is a Redhead, and I 
still feel that way, although I certainly wouldn't bet a huge amount on it and 
am willing to be convinced otherwise. The new book "Rare Birds of North 
America" has nice Common Pochard illustrations (p 62) that look tempting and 
suggest variation that might potentially envelop this bird, but its comparative 
Redhead illustration looks even better, and when one surveys photos online, the 
pochards to me look more Canvasback-like to my eye than the OES bird does. What 
is unquestionable is that at least half of its feathers are badly bleached (the 
result of a delayed or incomplete molt?), so that it is impossible to say much 
about what the bird's plumage colors should be. I would not take its paleness 
to suggest Canvasback parentage, but simply bleaching. And honestly I'm not 
sure we can even rule out some other type of hybrid, say, Redhead x Scaup or 
Redhead x Ring-neck. "Redhead" may seem most parsi 

 monious for now, or maybe we should call it "Aythya porteri", but hopefully it 
will stick around for a while and morph into a Pochard. 

  
At the end of the set of duck videos on the Picasa site above, you can treat 
yourself to a far more pleasing video of Jen Sanford's AMERICAN TREE SPARROW 
near PDX, and a glimpse of the SHORT-EARED OWLS interacting with a Bald Eagle 
there as well. 


Jay Withgott, in SW Portland not too far from that weird duck


PS -- And oh yes, my favorite female Common Pochard photo on the internet is 
here: 


http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/photography/photo-contest/2013/entries/229378/view/ 





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Subject: Re: Common and less common Pochards
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:14:21 -0800
Jeez, are there learned gentlemen on this list?  Who knew?

I have no idea how nonstandard waterfowl are handled by the regs. Are you 
perchance conflating pochards and poachers? 


Have a blast out there, Gunnar N.

.
.
Alan Contreras
acontrer56 AT gmail.com

Eugene, Oregon




On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Joel Geier wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I've been looking hard in the ODFW migratory waterfowl hunting
> regulations but have not yet been able to find daily bag limits on
> Common Pochard, Baikal Teal, Taiga Bean-Goose, Tufted Duck, Eurasian
> Wigeon, Chiloe Wigeon, Mandarin Duck, Black Swan, Garganey, Red-breasted
> Goose or other similar species that I'm usually aiming for when I clean
> the spiderwebs out of my 12-gauge to go out hunting for a day.
> 
> Could some of the learned gentlemen on this list please advise on how I
> should interpret the ODFW bag limits, as they don't mention any of these
> species?
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> Gunnar Norland
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: Common and less common Pochards
From: Joel Geier <joel.geier AT peak.org>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:06:18 -0800
Hi all,

I've been looking hard in the ODFW migratory waterfowl hunting
regulations but have not yet been able to find daily bag limits on
Common Pochard, Baikal Teal, Taiga Bean-Goose, Tufted Duck, Eurasian
Wigeon, Chiloe Wigeon, Mandarin Duck, Black Swan, Garganey, Red-breasted
Goose or other similar species that I'm usually aiming for when I clean
the spiderwebs out of my 12-gauge to go out hunting for a day.

Could some of the learned gentlemen on this list please advise on how I
should interpret the ODFW bag limits, as they don't mention any of these
species?

Yours sincerely,
Gunnar Norland




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Subject: another oddball duck
From: Dwight P <gpic4dp AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 18:00:31 -0800
As I was entertaining pochard fantasies I forgot about this oddball. It was
in the same pond as the funky Redhead last week. I only saw it one day-
11/22.

I am not going to proclaim an identification so as not to bias anyone, but
if anyone is interested in taking a shot here's a poor photo of the oddball
next to a coot for scale. I don't have any better photos- sorry.

http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158352841

There must be something in the water at the Oregon Episcopal School
Wetlands.

Dwight Porter
Portland, Oregon
Subject: Re: Common Pochard Challenge
From: "Jenkins, Maurice A." <alanjenkins AT ou.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 01:33:02 +0000
Wayne,



Excellent response as usual. I was trying to be brief and generalized in order 
to not be as confusing as the regulations can be. 


I would point out that tolerance and legality are not the same thing, many 
illegal acts are tolerated and enforcement can be lax, off and on. At times 
enforcement is made to appear lax so that illegal activity can be detected and 
then laws are enforced sometimes for the sake of appearing to be enforced, 
Operation Falcon is an example. Also, the non-federal governmental entities can 
regulate what they want, but the federal migratory bird regulations have 
priority. 




It's my understanding that a hunting license is a permit to "take" migratory 
game birds (with a federal stamp when taking waterfowl). But if by game birds 
you mean galliforms, they are not federally regulated or listed as Migratory 
Birds, although some may be regulated if they are a endangered species. 




In my experience sarcasm is not always recognized as such, and someone not 
familiar of the regulations might be led into thinking birders or OBOL was 
actually suggesting the actions as suggested were genuine suggestions. 




Regards,



Alan





________________________________
From: Wayne Hoffman [whoffman AT peak.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:34 PM
To: Jenkins, Maurice A.
Cc: baro AT pdx.edu; obol
Subject: Re: [obol] Re: Common Pochard Challenge

The original message may have been sarcasm, but the case is not asclearcut as 
you state. 


"Baiting" waterfowl is illegal only for the purposes of hunting. Feeding sucks 
in non-hunted areas may or may not be in the ducks best interests, but it sure 
is tolerated in urban areas all over Oregon and the rest of the country. 
Crystal Spring Park in SE Portland tries to regulate the type of food (no 
bread) but recommends cracked corn. 


Indeed, possession of migratory bird parts is illegal without a permit, BUT the 
law has an exception for guess what? Game birds. So if someone picks up a 
road-killed hawk, robin, or swallow, possession of the bird or parts thereof is 
illegal. But for a duck, goose, grouse, or dove - no violation unless it can be 
proved to having been obtained illegally. In practice, wildlife agents are 
tolerant of salvage for transport to a person or institution with a permit, as 
well. 


Wayne

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Jenkins, Maurice A. 
> wrote: 


I'll give the anonymous (wink, wink) poster of this message the benefit of the 
doubt and class it as sarcasm. If anyone else concludes the message as anything 
but facetious, or if they are simply ignorant of the regulations they should 
know and consider: 




1) Baiting waterfowl is illegal. There are airborne federal agents who look for 
waterfowl baiting. 




2) The Common Pochard is listed as a Migratory Bird, and the MB regulations 
don't allow trapping, harassment or the possession of body parts (feathers) 
without appropriate permits. 




I am not being holier than others; I have a don't have a permit for the 
Violet-Green birdhouse full of feathers laid down last spring. 




Busted!,



Alan Jenkins

Creswell, OR

________________________________
From: obol-bounce AT freelists.org 
[obol-bounce AT freelists.org] on behalf of 
Robert O'Brien [baro AT pdx.edu] 

Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:47 PM
To: obol
Subject: [obol] Common Pochard Challenge

Don't tell anyone I suggested this.
Go out to the pond with some corn and a Smelt net.
Relieve 'the duck' of a few feathers. She needs new ones anyway.
Send them in for DNA analysis.
Remember, you didn't here it here.
Anonymous.  Carver OR
PS  This could be perfectly legal.
After all, she's a game bird so we just need a birder that's game.


Subject: Re: LBBG photos...
From: "Phil Pickering" <philliplc AT charter.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:03:55 -0800
>Sure seems like there are two birds to me...

I suggested 1 bird to Allen, questioning whether a
third cycle would normally show apparently mature
apical spots, but Sally Hill's image does seem 
to show a different individual.

At this resolution I can detect the apparent
signs of immaturity in the coverts and tertials,
and the bill pattern is more clear and suggests
normal fading for this species, rather than
general mud staining. Forgive a laroskeptic.

Phil


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Subject: A note on salvage permits
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:02:41 -0800
Following up on Wayne's mention of a permit for possession of road-killed or 
window-killed birds, I will mention that I attempted to get such a permit two 
years ago. I had arranged for the biology department at Willamette University 
to receive and use and specimens I salvaged, and this was perfectly fine with 
the U.S. Fish and Wildlife permit office, which issued me a permit. They 
understood exactly what I was doing and why. 


However, when I attempted to get the required state permit from ODFW, I 
encountered the most appalling, obstructive and unhelpful correpondence and 
process that I have ever had with any state agency, with the exception of a 
recent spectacular performance by DMV. 


The bottom line is that ODFW simply refused to accept a request from a major 
Oregon university, signed by a highly respected ornithologist, as a basis for 
issuing me a general-purpose salvage permit, because the request didn't meet 
their obscure and unfathomable standards. It was a uniquely irrational process 
and an extremely sour experience - needless to say it will be a while before I 
do ODFW any favors. 


So anyone who attempts to get permits to touch roadkill, good luck.

.
.
Alan Contreras
acontrer56 AT gmail.com

Eugene, Oregon




On Nov 25, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Wayne Hoffman wrote:

> The original message may have been sarcasm, but the case is not asclearcut as 
you state. 

> 
> "Baiting" waterfowl is illegal only for the purposes of hunting. Feeding 
sucks in non-hunted areas may or may not be in the ducks best interests, but it 
sure is tolerated in urban areas all over Oregon and the rest of the country. 
Crystal Spring Park in SE Portland tries to regulate the type of food (no 
bread) but recommends cracked corn. 

> 
> Indeed, possession of migratory bird parts is illegal without a permit, BUT 
the law has an exception for guess what? Game birds. So if someone picks up a 
road-killed hawk, robin, or swallow, possession of the bird or parts thereof is 
illegal. But for a duck, goose, grouse, or dove - no violation unless it can be 
proved to having been obtained illegally. In practice, wildlife agents are 
tolerant of salvage for transport to a person or institution with a permit, as 
well. 

> 
> Wayne  
> 
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Jenkins, Maurice A.  
wrote: 

> I'll 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Subject: Re: Common Pochard Challenge
From: Wayne Hoffman <whoffman AT peak.org>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:34:15 -0800
The original message may have been sarcasm, but the case is not asclearcut
as you state.

"Baiting" waterfowl is illegal only for the purposes of hunting.  Feeding
sucks in non-hunted areas may or may not be in the ducks best interests,
but it sure is tolerated in urban areas all over Oregon and the rest of the
country.  Crystal Spring Park in SE Portland tries to regulate the type of
food (no bread) but recommends cracked corn.

Indeed, possession of migratory bird parts is illegal without a permit,
 BUT the law has an exception for guess what?  Game birds.  So if someone
picks up a road-killed hawk, robin, or swallow, possession of the bird or
parts thereof is illegal.  But for a duck, goose, grouse, or dove - no
violation unless it can be proved to having been obtained illegally.  In
practice, wildlife agents are tolerant of salvage for transport to a person
or institution with a permit, as well.

Wayne

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Jenkins, Maurice A. 
wrote:

>  I'll give the anonymous (wink, wink) poster of this message the benefit
> of the doubt and class it as sarcasm.  If anyone else concludes the message
> as anything but facetious, or if they are simply ignorant of the
> regulations they should know and consider:
>
>
>
> 1) Baiting waterfowl is illegal.  There are airborne federal agents who
> look for waterfowl baiting.
>
>
>
> 2) The Common Pochard is listed as a Migratory Bird, and the MB
> regulations don't allow trapping, harassment or the possession of body
> parts (feathers) without appropriate permits.
>
>
>
> I am not being holier than others; I have a don't have a permit for the
> Violet-Green birdhouse full of feathers laid down last spring.
>
>
>
> Busted!,
>
>
>
> Alan Jenkins
>
> Creswell, OR
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* obol-bounce AT freelists.org [obol-bounce AT freelists.org] on behalf
> of Robert O'Brien [baro AT pdx.edu]
> *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 8:47 PM
> *To:* obol
> *Subject:* [obol] Common Pochard Challenge
>
>   Don't tell anyone I suggested this.
> Go out to the pond with some corn and a Smelt net.
> Relieve 'the duck' of a few feathers. She needs new ones anyway.
> Send them in for DNA analysis.
> Remember, you didn't here it here.
> Anonymous.  Carver OR
> PS  This could be perfectly legal.
> After all, she's a game bird so we just need a birder that's game.
>
>
>
Subject: Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:30:07 -0800
This plumage can't be newer than last spring sometime, except for a few new 
flight feathers or tertials, I can't remember what was showing in the original 
pics. The paler area on the bill seems atypically mushed-out along the proximal 
side (closer to the head). 


Maybe it's a pochard X Greater Scaup….
.
.
Alan Contreras
acontrer56 AT gmail.com

Eugene, Oregon




On Nov 25, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Wayne Hoffman wrote:

> Hi, Alan - 
> 
> Bill looks kind of big to me too - and head shape seems wrong, kind of 
flat-topped, at least in this photo. Bill pattern is not wrong for Redhead, but 
not quite typical either. 

> 
> I also am having trouble understanding the bird's molt status. The feathers 
seem incredibly worn, more so than any normal duck should show this time or 
year. I wonder if it skipped the molt into eclipse and we are seeing old worn 
basic plumage? 

> 
> Wayne
> 
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Alan Contreras  wrote:
> I have trouble thinking that the bill on this bird is standard equipment for 
a pure Redhead. I'd be interested in other people's views on that question. 

> .
> .
> Alan Contreras
> acontrer56 AT gmail.com
> 
> Eugene, Oregon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Beverly Hallberg wrote:
> 
>> Just thought I'd post another picture of Dwight's Redhead at the Vermont St. 
Wetlands. Not a great picture but another view showing the bill coloration and 
faint eyeing. As a bonus, there was a Common Goldeneye female on the pond today 
- who spent most of her time underwater! 

>> 
>> https://flic.kr/p/pftuEg
>> 
>> Beverly
> 
> 
Subject: Re: Another pic of Dwight's Athya sp.....
From: Mike Patterson <celata AT pacifier.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:28:37 -0800
I think I'm going to defer my fist pounding proclamations until
after this this has molted into something definitive.

This bird is sporting some serious beakage, though.

-- 
Mike Patterson
Astoria, OR
String Theory
http://www.surfbirds.com/community-blogs/northcoastdiaries/?p=2182



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Subject: Re: Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like
From: Wayne Hoffman <whoffman AT peak.org>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:20:54 -0800
Hi, Alan -

Bill looks kind of big to me too - and head shape seems wrong, kind of
flat-topped, at least in this photo.  Bill pattern is not wrong for
Redhead, but not quite typical either.

I also am having trouble understanding the bird's molt status.  The
feathers seem incredibly worn, more so than any normal duck should show
this time or year.  I wonder if it skipped the molt into eclipse and we are
seeing old worn basic plumage?

Wayne

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Alan Contreras 
wrote:

> I have trouble thinking that the bill on this bird is standard equipment
> for a pure Redhead.  I'd be interested in other people's views on that
> question.
> .
> .
> Alan Contreras
> acontrer56 AT gmail.com
>
> Eugene, Oregon
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Beverly Hallberg wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd post another picture of Dwight's Redhead at the Vermont
> St. Wetlands.  Not a great picture but another view showing the bill
> coloration and faint eyeing.  As a bonus, there was a Common Goldeneye
> female on the pond today - who spent most of her time underwater!
>
> https://flic.kr/p/pftuEg
>
> Beverly
>
>
>
Subject: Re: Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like
From: bwilson AT peak.org
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:12:31 -0800 (PST)
My first reaction on seeing the photo was, "That's not a Redhead bill." 
The junction of bill and forehead is flatter, a bit like a Canvasback --
or Pochard, maybe.

Then I googled other Redhead and Pochard photos, thought about angles of
the bird's head to the camera and the bird's posture, and lapsed into
uncertainty.  This bird does look odd.  Is it actually out of range for
the shape of a Redhead bill and head?  I just don't know.  I hope someone
does.

-- Barbara Wilson


> I have trouble thinking that the bill on this bird is standard equipment
> for a pure Redhead.  I'd be interested in other people's views on that
> question.
> .
> .
> Alan Contreras
> acontrer56 AT gmail.com
>
> Eugene, Oregon
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Beverly Hallberg wrote:
>
>> Just thought I'd post another picture of Dwight's Redhead at the Vermont
>> St. Wetlands.  Not a great picture but another view showing the bill
>> coloration and faint eyeing.  As a bonus, there was a Common Goldeneye
>> female on the pond today - who spent most of her time underwater!
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/pftuEg
>>
>> Beverly
>
>





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Subject: Re: Common Pochard Challenge
From: "Jenkins, Maurice A." <alanjenkins AT ou.edu>
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:09:07 +0000
I'll give the anonymous (wink, wink) poster of this message the benefit of the 
doubt and class it as sarcasm. If anyone else concludes the message as anything 
but facetious, or if they are simply ignorant of the regulations they should 
know and consider: 




1) Baiting waterfowl is illegal. There are airborne federal agents who look for 
waterfowl baiting. 




2) The Common Pochard is listed as a Migratory Bird, and the MB regulations 
don't allow trapping, harassment or the possession of body parts (feathers) 
without appropriate permits. 




I am not being holier than others; I have a don't have a permit for the 
Violet-Green birdhouse full of feathers laid down last spring. 




Busted!,



Alan Jenkins

Creswell, OR

________________________________
From: obol-bounce AT freelists.org [obol-bounce AT freelists.org] on behalf of Robert 
O'Brien [baro AT pdx.edu] 

Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:47 PM
To: obol
Subject: [obol] Common Pochard Challenge

Don't tell anyone I suggested this.
Go out to the pond with some corn and a Smelt net.
Relieve 'the duck' of a few feathers. She needs new ones anyway.
Send them in for DNA analysis.
Remember, you didn't here it here.
Anonymous.  Carver OR
PS  This could be perfectly legal.
After all, she's a game bird so we just need a birder that's game.

Subject: Re: LBBG photos...
From: Mike Patterson <celata AT pacifier.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:04:45 -0800
If you go to eBird (yes, I said go to eBird) and use the Explore a 
region function, you can pull up photos by Sally Hill:

http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S20664125

John Sullivan:
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S20665683

and Noah Styker:
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S20663596

Sure seems like there are two birds to me...


-- 
Mike Patterson
Astoria, OR
String Theory
http://www.surfbirds.com/community-blogs/northcoastdiaries/?p=2182



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Subject: Re: Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:58:38 -0800
I have trouble thinking that the bill on this bird is standard equipment for a 
pure Redhead. I'd be interested in other people's views on that question. 

.
.
Alan Contreras
acontrer56 AT gmail.com

Eugene, Oregon




On Nov 25, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Beverly Hallberg wrote:

> Just thought I'd post another picture of Dwight's Redhead at the Vermont St. 
Wetlands. Not a great picture but another view showing the bill coloration and 
faint eyeing. As a bonus, there was a Common Goldeneye female on the pond today 
- who spent most of her time underwater! 

> 
> https://flic.kr/p/pftuEg
> 
> Beverly
Subject: Another pic of Dwight's Redhead - Pochard look-a-like
From: Beverly Hallberg <mapsout AT comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:54:30 -0800
Just thought I'd post another picture of Dwight's Redhead at the Vermont
St. Wetlands.  Not a great picture but another view showing the bill
coloration and faint eyeing.  As a bonus, there was a Common Goldeneye
female on the pond today - who spent most of her time underwater!

https://flic.kr/p/pftuEg

Beverly
Subject: Lesser BB Gull photos needed
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:37:55 -0800
There is some discussion about whether one or two LBB Gulls are present at 
Creswell. My impression is that the "subadult" bird I saw yesterday has a 
pigmented bill and is not the same as the obvious nice clean bird that I saw 
today. However, the Muddy Bill Theory is also being discussed. My impression is 
that the darker-billed bird also had smudgier head plumage, but there is a 
question of photo exposure. 


Thus anyone with photos of this/these birds should send them to the Oregon Bird 
Records Committee for digestion. 


to:  Harry Nehls - hnehls6 AT comcast.net

.
.
Alan Contreras
acontrer56 AT gmail.com

Eugene, Oregon



Subject: American Tree Sparrow, Rentenaar Road, Sauvie Island
From: Wink Gross <winkg AT hevanet.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:21:03 -0800
Apparently, it’s a good year for Brown Boobies, Lesser Black-backed Gulls (but,
c’mon Lane County—share the wealth!), and AMERICAN TREE SPARROWS.
One was feeding with juncos, White-crowneds, Golden-crowneds, and one WHITE-
THROATED SPARROW along Rentenaar Road about 10AM today at the main 
slough half-way down the road.    An ORANGE-CROWNED WARBLER was 
across the road from Boys(?) Lake.

At the far west end of Rentenaar, I thought I heard the rusty-hinge call of
a Rusty Blackbird, but I couldn’t locate it.  Something to watch out for.

The ROSS’S GOOSE was in a large flock of Cacklers just north of the Columbia
Co. line on Sauvie Island Road about 9AM this morning.  Two Snow Geese were
also on the flock.

Wink Gross
Portland

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Subject: Lincoln County Rough-legged Hawk
From: "Deb Holland" <deborah.holland AT star-thrower.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:53:07 -0800
    Hello,

 I searched for the Rough-legged Hawk between 1 and 3 PM yesterday, along the 1 
mile stretch of Hwy101, between the Hwy 18 exit and 3 Rock Road. 

 Missed the hawk on the first pass, but found a 1st year White-tailed Kite in 
the west marsh. 

 On the second pass, the Rough-legged Hawk was perched on an evergreen next to 
the road.  While I was enjoying the close view, the Kite sailed out of the 
field toward the larger Hawk, which immediately took off.  Watched both birds 
fly into the east marshes. 


 Deb in Newport

  


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Subject: LBB Gull update
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:04:42 -0800
I was at the gull spot on Ricketts Road south of Goshen from about 11:15 until 
12:30. The full adult LBB Gull was on the pond most of the time, but flew over 
to the dump for twenty minutes. We did not see the subadult bird at all. Also 
present were a wide variety of gulls (mostly Ringbills) and ducks, with 
multiple harriers, a red-tail, a large peregrine and a couple of Bald Eagles. 


.
.
Alan Contreras
acontrer56 AT gmail.com

Eugene, Oregon



Subject: Detroit Lake Pacific Loon, Barrow's Goldeneyes below
From: Roy Gerig <roygerig AT hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:57:32 -0800
At my house in Salem at 5 AM it seemed warm outside, calm, and only partly 
cloudy so I drove to Silver Falls State Park to look for owls. It was warm 
there too, but windy, and wind noise made owling less than productive. I walked 
furthur into the forest to get away from wind and I heard nothing until a 
HERMIT THRUSH flew up and called in the pre-dawn. 

I moved up the canyon, since the wind made birding in the Silver Falls area 
rather pointless. Depending on if you bird in Marion or Linn there was a 
PACIFIC LOON just above the Detroit Lake dam, pretty much on the County line. 
Below the dam at the upper end of Big Cliff Revervoir were 12 BARROW'S 
GOLDENEYES of all ages and sexes. The Loon seemed to be a winter adult. I 
walked the trail at Detroit Flats and saw hardly any birds, a squall came 
through about then. 

Roy Gerig, Salem ORDo you remember cartoonist James Thurber, "Darling, I seem 
to have this rabbit"? Dan Heyerly would remember it. 

 		 	   		  
Subject: Photos: Streaked Horned Lark Baskett Slough NWR 11-24-14
From: Jim Leonard <photojleonard AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:50:27 -0800
North of Baskett Slough National Wildlife Refuge along Livermore
Rd.yesterday morning I saw a small flock of Streaked Horned Larks.  Click
on link for photos of one of the Larks.  Happy Birding, Jim Leonard.





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Subject: Red-shouldered Beauty common in Jackson County
From: Harry Fuller <atowhee AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:52:03 -0800
Our loudest and one of our most beautiful raptors is now widespread in
areas with forest edge or scattered groves.  The Red-shouldered is a recent
arrival from the south thanks to global warming...or perhaps simply making
an historic return.  In 1975 (according to a FIsh & Wildlife Service
listing) there was no official record of the bird in Jackson
County...but as raptors are not frequently persecuted nowadays these great
rat-catchers have settled nicely in town and farm.
https://atowhee.wordpress.com/2014/11/25/getting-reddy/



-- 
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author of FREEWAY BIRDING, see: *freewaybirding.com
*
Atowhee AT gmail
http://www.towhee.net
my birding blog: atowhee.wordpress.com
Subject: Re: Common Pochard Oregon History
From: Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:26:19 -0700
Hi Paul; I am not aware of anyone calling it a Common Pochard at the time or 
subsequently, but rather a bird of interest - a status that remains. Jeff 



On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:29 PM, "Paul Sullivan"  
wrote: 


> I. too, visited Commonwealth Lake and saw the duck that folks were calling a 
Pochard. Later I learned that it was judged not to be a Pochard. 

>  
> Hoping to find the date, I went to the source for such records, the on-line 
file of the Oregon Birds Records Committee 
http://www.orbirds.org/acceptedthroughapril2014.6.pdf and found that there is 
only one reviewed record of a reported Pochard in Oregon. I looked for that 
bird too. 

>  
> The record:
> “Common Pochard Anas ferina
> 146.1-95-01 Hat Rock State Park, Umatilla Co., 1 immature plumaged bird 29 
September-3 October 1995. Photos and descriptions did not perfectly fit pochard 
and did not rule out Redhead or hybrid Redhead X Canvasback. Hybrids of this 
type look quite like Common Pochard.” 

>  
> I don’t understand why the Commonwealth Lake bird was never submitted to the 
committee and why it is not listed in the “not accepted” records. I would have 
expected it to be there. 

> -----------
> I’ve learned from this exercise that the only way I will ever see a Common 
Pochard in Oregon is if I am standing between Dave Irons, Owen Schmidt, and 
Jeff Gilligan, looking at a bird, and they say “That’s a Pochard.” 

> I don’t have the skill to sort out the difference between a Canvasback x 
Redhead hybrid and a Pochard. I don’t have the interest to learn. And I don’t 
have a camera fancy enough to capture convincing photos. (Same is true for 
Long-toed Stint, and several other difficult identifications.) 

>  
> That’s not to say that I’m in any way sore about this fact. It’s just a fact. 
Some rare bird identification challenges are beyond my level of intensity. I 
suspect I’m not alone. 

>  
> Enjoy your birding, everyone,
>  
> Paull Sullivan
Subject: Re: Common Pochard Oregon History
From: "Paul Sullivan" <paultsullivan AT onlinenw.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 11:29:59 -0800
I. too, visited Commonwealth Lake and saw the duck that folks were calling a
Pochard.  Later I learned that it was judged not to be a Pochard. 

 

Hoping to find the date, I went to the source for such records, the on-line
file of the Oregon Birds Records Committee
http://www.orbirds.org/acceptedthroughapril2014.6.pdf and found that there
is only one reviewed record of a reported Pochard in Oregon.  I looked for
that bird too.

 

The record:

"Common Pochard Anas ferina 

146.1-95-01 Hat Rock State Park, Umatilla Co., 1 immature plumaged bird 29
September-3 October 1995. Photos and descriptions did not perfectly fit
pochard and did not rule out Redhead or hybrid Redhead X Canvasback. Hybrids
of this type look quite like Common Pochard."

 

I don't understand why the Commonwealth Lake bird was never submitted to the
committee and why it is not listed in the "not accepted" records.  I would
have expected it to be there.

-----------

I've learned from this exercise that the only way I will ever see a Common
Pochard in Oregon is if I am standing between Dave Irons, Owen Schmidt, and
Jeff Gilligan, looking at a bird, and they say "That's a Pochard."  

I don't have the skill to sort out the difference between a Canvasback x
Redhead hybrid and a Pochard.  I don't have the interest to learn.  And I
don't have a camera fancy enough to capture convincing photos.  (Same is
true for Long-toed Stint, and several other difficult identifications.)

 

That's not to say that I'm in any way sore about this fact.  It's just a
fact.  Some rare bird identification challenges are beyond my level of
intensity.  I suspect I'm not alone.

 

Enjoy your birding, everyone,

 

Paull Sullivan
Subject: LBB yes
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:50:05 -0800
Anne Heyerly reports adult LBB gull present at 10:45

Alan Contreras
Eugene, Oregon

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Subject: CBC's
From: clay crofton <ruffledgrouch AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:11:31 -0800
I would like to thank the CBC compilers and Volunteer's at OBA for getting
the Oregon CBC information organized and available.

 http://www.orbirds.org/cbc.html

​P.S. Once again National Audubon can not be bothered to provide this type
of information by posting the Count Circles Map.

​http://birds.audubon.org/get-involved-christmas-bird-count



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*The boy Who* *Cried Wrentit*
Subject: Re: Common Pochard Oregon History
From: Gerard Lillie <gerardlillie AT outlook.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 06:11:35 -0800
I agree with Mary Anne. We moved to Portland from Michigan in 1983 and it was 
one or two years after that when it was found. I went to see it also but didn't 
come to a conclusion as to its identity. 


Gerard Lillie
Portland, OR

 
> Subject: [obol] Re: Common Pochard Oregon History
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:19:26 -0800
> 
> Jeff - It had to be after 1981, maybe sometime between 1982 - 85?  My son, 
> Jeff, and I had moved back to Hillsboro in 1981  - we saw the duck in 
> question at Commonwealth Lake in Cedar Hills.  I wasted much of my youth in 
> that neighborhood pre-Commonwealth Lake.  For some of you geezers out 
> there....my Jeff will be 40 next summer.  I'm leaving town- I'm way too 
> young to have a 40-year old kid!
> 
> I'll be thrilled to put a Pochard back on my Oregon list!
> 
> Mary Anne Sohlstrom
 

> Subject: [obol] Re: Common Pochard Oregon History
 
> 
> On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Robert O'Brien  wrote:
> 
> > Many years ago...............
> > There was a Pochard wannabe at an urban pond in Beverton.
> > There were photos but I don't recall what became of it.
> > I didn't go out to see it myself.
> > I checked OBOL archives back to 2002 and didn't find it.
> > It isn't on the Oregon List.
> > Does anyone else remember this bird?
> > Any photos?
> > Are archives earlier than 2002 available?
> > Bob OBrien
> > Carver OR
> 
> 
> The sighting was pre-2002 by many years.  By coincidence I brought the 
> subject up with Owen Schmidt recently.
> 
> I have  photos as do Harry Nehls and Owen Schmidt.  The bird was found in 
> the morning by Harry Nehls and Joe Evanich, and subsequently independently 
> found later in the day by Steve Heinl and me.    We had not heard about 
> Harry's and Joe's sighting.  All of us concluded that it was either a hybrid 
> Canvasback/Redhead or a Common Pochard The photos are good.  I am in Arizona 
> and won't be able to review them until I return to Oregon.  I have stared at 
> the photos from time to time and was never able to make a certain 
> conclusion.
> 
> Earlier research was inconclusive. The bird may have been in its first 
> winter, and did not show a striking "saddle" on the bill.  It looked much 
> like Dwight's duck as I recall.   The guide books showed obvious pochards. 
> A table-top Japanese photo book that I have shows a flock of pochards that 
> includes some with bills similar to that of the one we saw and the one found 
> by  Dwight Porter.  Perhaps now there are better resources.
> 
> Jeff Gilligan
> 
> 
> 
> >
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: The SW Portland Duck
From: David Irons <llsdirons AT msn.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:50:19 +0000
Greetings All,

At the risk of putting a damper on this parade, I 
have to agree with Bob Flores. Looking at Dwight's cropped head shot, which 
shows a paler area towards the tip of the bill, I see a bill that in 
size, shape, and pattern is perfect for Redhead. I took a quick look at 
the photo posted yesterday and after seeing the speculation that it was a
 Canvasback X Redhead hybrid, I got sucked into seeing things that might
 fit that cross. These additional photos don't provide any reason to 
think that Canvasback is involved in the parentage of this bird. 

Dave Irons
Portland, OR 
 		 	   		  
Subject: Re: Common Pochard Oregon History
From: Mike Patterson <celata AT pacifier.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:01:30 -0800
There's also this thing:


http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l71/peromyscus17/athy19990108_zps77f493ab.jpg~original 


Seen at Warrenton Sewage Ponds January 8, 1999.  I remember reporting
it to the hot line.  I don't remember whether others went out and
saw it.  It was not formally reviewed.  I seem to recall someone
talking me out of it being a pochard, but all I have is the original
drawing which seems pretty pochardy...

-- 
Mike Patterson
Astoria, OR
String Theory
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Subject: Common Pochard Challenge
From: "Robert O'Brien" <baro AT pdx.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:47:42 -0800
Don't tell anyone I suggested this.
Go out to the pond with some corn and a Smelt net.
Relieve 'the duck' of a few feathers. She needs new ones anyway.
Send them in for DNA analysis.
Remember, you didn't here it here.
Anonymous.  Carver OR
PS  This could be perfectly legal.
After all, she's a game bird so we just need a birder that's game.
Subject: Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
From: Bob <rflores_2 AT msn.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:20:28 -0800
I see more redhead than canvasback in the head? I am just wondering why 
canvasback? 


Bob Flores
Ridgefield, WA

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 20:15, Alan Contreras  wrote:
> 
> to me the head shape looks a bit off for Redhead.
> 
> Alan Contreras
> Eugene, Oregon
> 
> acontrer56 AT gmail.comy 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Bob  wrote:
>> 
>> This appears to me to be a very bleached out redhead. I am interested in 
hearing more on the thought of a canvasback cross? I agree with Alan this bird 
is in a bad need of a molt. 

>> 
>> Bob Flores
>> Ridgefield, WA
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 17:48, Dwight P  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dave,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for chiming in on this. I think there actually is a pale area on the 
bill, it just doesn't show up well in the photos. This morning I went back with 
my scope and got a better look at the bill pattern. It has a dark tip, then 
light blue and then darker blue. It's hard to see in the photos with the wet 
bill/glare but it was obvious in the scope. I added a sketch of this- 

>>> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342288
>>> 
>>> I also cranked up the contrast and saturation on the photos and then the 
pale area is more visible- 

>>> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342286
>>> 
>>> I also added a photo with the bird's head extended-
>>> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342415
>>>  
>>> Jeff Gilligan sent me a message and agreed with my hybrid ID but he also 
said to look at a lot of young Common Pochard photos. So I did, and there sure 
is a lot of variability in female Common Pochards (and female Redheads). Every 
image online shows a dark breast and this bird has a light breast, could that 
be due to wear? If this bird took a ride across the Pacific on Typhoon Nuri 
surely that would put some wear on the bird. Alan mentioned the bird was in 
desperate need of a molt, does this mean it's extra worn-looking? I'm not 
saying it's a pochard, but it doesn't seem like a slam-dunk for the hybrid ID 
either. I just want to get the ID right. 

>>> 
>>> I put all the images in a gallery for simplicity- 
http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/duck_id 

>>> 
>>> Thanks Again,
>>> 
>>> Dwight Porter
>>> Portland, Oregon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:13 PM, David Irons  wrote:
>>>> I think that the absence of a pale area on the bill also points away from 
Common Pochard. 

>>>> 
>>>> Dave Irons
>>>> 
>>>> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:38:32 -0500
>>>> From: willwright26 AT q.com
>>>> To: whoffman AT peak.org
>>>> CC: obol AT freelists.org; gpic4dp AT gmail.com
>>>> Subject: [obol] Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
>>>> 
>>>> A good question, Wayne.  However, I see no hint of an eye ring.
>>>> 
>>>> From: "Wayne Hoffman" 
>>>> To: gpic4dp AT gmail.com
>>>> Cc: obol AT freelists.org
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:24:10 PM
>>>> Subject: [obol] Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
>>>> 
>>>> Hi - 
>>>> 
>>>> This is a very interesting bird, and good photos! I suspect your ID is 
correct, but can you completely discount Common Pochard? 

>>>> 
>>>> Wayne
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Dwight P  wrote:
>>>> A Canvasback x Redhead hybrid has been hanging out at the Oregon Episcopal 
School Wetlands in SW Portland since Tuesday. It took me a few visits and then 
finally some closer looks and decent photos to figure it out. It was there this 
morning (11/23). 

>>>> 
>>>> Photo-
>>>> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158329933
>>>> 
>>>> Dwight Porter
>>>> Portland, Oregon
>>> 
Subject: Re: Common Pochard Oregon History
From: "Mary Anne Sohlstrom" <masohlstrom AT msn.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:19:26 -0800
Jeff - It had to be after 1981, maybe sometime between 1982 - 85?  My son, 
Jeff, and I had moved back to Hillsboro in 1981  - we saw the duck in 
question at Commonwealth Lake in Cedar Hills.  I wasted much of my youth in 
that neighborhood pre-Commonwealth Lake.  For some of you geezers out 
there....my Jeff will be 40 next summer.  I'm leaving town- I'm way too 
young to have a 40-year old kid!

I'll be thrilled to put a Pochard back on my Oregon list!

Mary Anne Sohlstrom

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jeff Gilligan
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:49 PM
To: baro AT pdx.edu
Cc: obol
Subject: [obol] Re: Common Pochard Oregon History





On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Robert O'Brien  wrote:

> Many years ago...............
> There was a Pochard wannabe at an urban pond in Beverton.
> There were photos but I don't recall what became of it.
> I didn't go out to see it myself.
> I checked OBOL archives back to 2002 and didn't find it.
> It isn't on the Oregon List.
> Does anyone else remember this bird?
> Any photos?
> Are archives earlier than 2002 available?
> Bob OBrien
> Carver OR


The sighting was pre-2002 by many years.  By coincidence I brought the 
subject up with Owen Schmidt recently.

I have  photos as do Harry Nehls and Owen Schmidt.  The bird was found in 
the morning by Harry Nehls and Joe Evanich, and subsequently independently 
found later in the day by Steve Heinl and me.    We had not heard about 
Harry's and Joe's sighting.  All of us concluded that it was either a hybrid 
Canvasback/Redhead or a Common Pochard The photos are good.  I am in Arizona 
and won't be able to review them until I return to Oregon.  I have stared at 
the photos from time to time and was never able to make a certain 
conclusion.

Earlier research was inconclusive. The bird may have been in its first 
winter, and did not show a striking "saddle" on the bill.  It looked much 
like Dwight's duck as I recall.   The guide books showed obvious pochards. 
A table-top Japanese photo book that I have shows a flock of pochards that 
includes some with bills similar to that of the one we saw and the one found 
by  Dwight Porter.  Perhaps now there are better resources.

Jeff Gilligan



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Subject: Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
From: Dwight P <gpic4dp AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:19:24 -0800
I think you are right, it's just a worn Redhead. I was confused by it
wear/funky appearance.

Thanks for all the help with this confusing bird!

Dwight Porter,
Portland, Oregon



On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Bob  wrote:

> This appears to me to be a very bleached out redhead.  I am interested in
> hearing more on the thought of a canvasback cross?  I agree with Alan this
> bird is in a bad need of a molt.
>
> Bob Flores
> Ridgefield, WA
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 24, 2014, at 17:48, Dwight P  wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for chiming in on this. I think there actually is a pale area on
> the bill, it just doesn't show up well in the photos. This morning I went
> back with my scope and got a better look at the bill pattern. It has a dark
> tip, then light blue and then darker blue. It's hard to see in the photos
> with the wet bill/glare but it was obvious in the scope. I added a sketch
> of this-
> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342288
>
> I also cranked up the contrast and saturation on the photos and then the
> pale area is more visible-
> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342286
>
> I also added a photo with the bird's head extended-
> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342415
>
> Jeff Gilligan sent me a message and agreed with my hybrid ID but he also
> said to look at a lot of young Common Pochard photos. So I did, and there
> sure is a lot of variability in female Common Pochards (and female
> Redheads). Every image online shows a dark breast and this bird has a light
> breast, could that be due to wear? If this bird took a ride across the
> Pacific on Typhoon Nuri surely that would put some wear on the bird. Alan
> mentioned the bird was in desperate need of a molt, does this mean it's
> extra worn-looking? I'm not saying it's a pochard, but it doesn't seem like
> a slam-dunk for the hybrid ID either. I just want to get the ID right.
>
> I put all the images in a gallery for simplicity-
> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/duck_id
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Dwight Porter
> Portland, Oregon
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:13 PM, David Irons  wrote:
>
>> I think that the absence of a pale area on the bill also points away from
>> Common Pochard.
>>
>> Dave Irons
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:38:32 -0500
>> From: willwright26 AT q.com
>> To: whoffman AT peak.org
>> CC: obol AT freelists.org; gpic4dp AT gmail.com
>> Subject: [obol] Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
>>
>> A good question, Wayne.  However, I see no hint of an eye ring.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Wayne Hoffman" 
>> *To: *gpic4dp AT gmail.com
>> *Cc: *obol AT freelists.org
>> *Sent: *Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:24:10 PM
>> *Subject: *[obol] Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> This is a very interesting bird, and good photos!  I suspect your ID is
>> correct, but can you completely discount Common Pochard?
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Dwight P  wrote:
>>
>> A Canvasback x Redhead hybrid has been hanging out at the Oregon
>> Episcopal School Wetlands in SW Portland since Tuesday. It took me a few
>> visits and then finally some closer looks and decent photos to figure it
>> out. It was there this morning (11/23).
>>
>> Photo-
>> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158329933
>>
>> Dwight Porter
>> Portland, Oregon
>>
>>
>>
>
Subject: Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:14:41 -0800
to me the head shape looks a bit off for Redhead.

Alan Contreras
Eugene, Oregon

acontrer56 AT gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone 



> On Nov 24, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Bob  wrote:
> 
> This appears to me to be a very bleached out redhead. I am interested in 
hearing more on the thought of a canvasback cross? I agree with Alan this bird 
is in a bad need of a molt. 

> 
> Bob Flores
> Ridgefield, WA
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 17:48, Dwight P  wrote:
>> 
>> Dave,
>> 
>> Thanks for chiming in on this. I think there actually is a pale area on the 
bill, it just doesn't show up well in the photos. This morning I went back with 
my scope and got a better look at the bill pattern. It has a dark tip, then 
light blue and then darker blue. It's hard to see in the photos with the wet 
bill/glare but it was obvious in the scope. I added a sketch of this- 

>> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342288
>> 
>> I also cranked up the contrast and saturation on the photos and then the 
pale area is more visible- 

>> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342286
>> 
>> I also added a photo with the bird's head extended-
>> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342415
>>  
>> Jeff Gilligan sent me a message and agreed with my hybrid ID but he also 
said to look at a lot of young Common Pochard photos. So I did, and there sure 
is a lot of variability in female Common Pochards (and female Redheads). Every 
image online shows a dark breast and this bird has a light breast, could that 
be due to wear? If this bird took a ride across the Pacific on Typhoon Nuri 
surely that would put some wear on the bird. Alan mentioned the bird was in 
desperate need of a molt, does this mean it's extra worn-looking? I'm not 
saying it's a pochard, but it doesn't seem like a slam-dunk for the hybrid ID 
either. I just want to get the ID right. 

>> 
>> I put all the images in a gallery for simplicity- 
http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/duck_id 

>> 
>> Thanks Again,
>> 
>> Dwight Porter
>> Portland, Oregon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:13 PM, David Irons  wrote:
>>> I think that the absence of a pale area on the bill also points away from 
Common Pochard. 

>>> 
>>> Dave Irons
>>> 
>>> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:38:32 -0500
>>> From: willwright26 AT q.com
>>> To: whoffman AT peak.org
>>> CC: obol AT freelists.org; gpic4dp AT gmail.com
>>> Subject: [obol] Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
>>> 
>>> A good question, Wayne.  However, I see no hint of an eye ring.
>>> 
>>> From: "Wayne Hoffman" 
>>> To: gpic4dp AT gmail.com
>>> Cc: obol AT freelists.org
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:24:10 PM
>>> Subject: [obol] Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
>>> 
>>> Hi - 
>>> 
>>> This is a very interesting bird, and good photos! I suspect your ID is 
correct, but can you completely discount Common Pochard? 

>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Dwight P  wrote:
>>> A Canvasback x Redhead hybrid has been hanging out at the Oregon Episcopal 
School Wetlands in SW Portland since Tuesday. It took me a few visits and then 
finally some closer looks and decent photos to figure it out. It was there this 
morning (11/23). 

>>> 
>>> Photo-
>>> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158329933
>>> 
>>> Dwight Porter
>>> Portland, Oregon
>>> 
>> 
Subject: Re: Common Pochard Oregon History
From: Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:49:55 -0700



On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Robert O'Brien  wrote:

> Many years ago...............
> There was a Pochard wannabe at an urban pond in Beverton.
> There were photos but I don't recall what became of it.
> I didn't go out to see it myself.
> I checked OBOL archives back to 2002 and didn't find it.
> It isn't on the Oregon List.
> Does anyone else remember this bird?
> Any photos?
> Are archives earlier than 2002 available?
> Bob OBrien
> Carver OR


The sighting was pre-2002 by many years. By coincidence I brought the subject 
up with Owen Schmidt recently. 


I have photos as do Harry Nehls and Owen Schmidt. The bird was found in the 
morning by Harry Nehls and Joe Evanich, and subsequently independently found 
later in the day by Steve Heinl and me. We had not heard about Harry's and 
Joe's sighting. All of us concluded that it was either a hybrid 
Canvasback/Redhead or a Common Pochard The photos are good. I am in Arizona and 
won't be able to review them until I return to Oregon. I have stared at the 
photos from time to time and was never able to make a certain conclusion. 


Earlier research was inconclusive. The bird may have been in its first winter, 
and did not show a striking "saddle" on the bill. It looked much like Dwight's 
duck as I recall. The guide books showed obvious pochards. A table-top Japanese 
photo book that I have shows a flock of pochards that includes some with bills 
similar to that of the one we saw and the one found by Dwight Porter. Perhaps 
now there are better resources. 


Jeff Gilligan



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Subject: Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
From: Bob <rflores_2 AT msn.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:47:40 -0800
This appears to me to be a very bleached out redhead. I am interested in 
hearing more on the thought of a canvasback cross? I agree with Alan this bird 
is in a bad need of a molt. 


Bob Flores
Ridgefield, WA

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 17:48, Dwight P  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Thanks for chiming in on this. I think there actually is a pale area on the 
bill, it just doesn't show up well in the photos. This morning I went back with 
my scope and got a better look at the bill pattern. It has a dark tip, then 
light blue and then darker blue. It's hard to see in the photos with the wet 
bill/glare but it was obvious in the scope. I added a sketch of this- 

> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342288
> 
> I also cranked up the contrast and saturation on the photos and then the pale 
area is more visible- 

> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342286
> 
> I also added a photo with the bird's head extended-
> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342415
>  
> Jeff Gilligan sent me a message and agreed with my hybrid ID but he also said 
to look at a lot of young Common Pochard photos. So I did, and there sure is a 
lot of variability in female Common Pochards (and female Redheads). Every image 
online shows a dark breast and this bird has a light breast, could that be due 
to wear? If this bird took a ride across the Pacific on Typhoon Nuri surely 
that would put some wear on the bird. Alan mentioned the bird was in desperate 
need of a molt, does this mean it's extra worn-looking? I'm not saying it's a 
pochard, but it doesn't seem like a slam-dunk for the hybrid ID either. I just 
want to get the ID right. 

> 
> I put all the images in a gallery for simplicity- 
http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/duck_id 

> 
> Thanks Again,
> 
> Dwight Porter
> Portland, Oregon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:13 PM, David Irons  wrote:
>> I think that the absence of a pale area on the bill also points away from 
Common Pochard. 

>> 
>> Dave Irons
>> 
>> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:38:32 -0500
>> From: willwright26 AT q.com
>> To: whoffman AT peak.org
>> CC: obol AT freelists.org; gpic4dp AT gmail.com
>> Subject: [obol] Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
>> 
>> A good question, Wayne.  However, I see no hint of an eye ring.
>> 
>> From: "Wayne Hoffman" 
>> To: gpic4dp AT gmail.com
>> Cc: obol AT freelists.org
>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:24:10 PM
>> Subject: [obol] Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
>> 
>> Hi - 
>> 
>> This is a very interesting bird, and good photos! I suspect your ID is 
correct, but can you completely discount Common Pochard? 

>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Dwight P  wrote:
>> A Canvasback x Redhead hybrid has been hanging out at the Oregon Episcopal 
School Wetlands in SW Portland since Tuesday. It took me a few visits and then 
finally some closer looks and decent photos to figure it out. It was there this 
morning (11/23). 

>> 
>> Photo-
>> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158329933
>> 
>> Dwight Porter
>> Portland, Oregon
> 
Subject: Re: Tech question
From: Michael Medina <802redwood AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 03:22:21 +0000
What's your budget? Size requirements?
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 08:52 Tom Crabtree  wrote:

> I am looking for suggestions to upgrade an external speaker for my iPod.
> I have a Radio Shack mono speaker that is great in terms of size and
> convenience, but the sound quality isn’t great.  The frequency response is
> quite limited so virtually all warbler calls are distorted.  My cell
> phone’s speaker is considerably better.  I ordered an iHome speaker which
> had better frequency response, but it has no volume control on it and the
> default level isn’t loud enough.  There are a number of Bluetooth options,
> but that doesn’t do me any good, either, with an iPod.  Does anyone know of
> a speaker than connects by wire, has a volume control and decent frequency
> response?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Tom Crabtree
>
Subject: Malheur Long-tailed Duck
From: Tim Blount <harneybirder AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:16:54 -0800
Hi All,

A long-tailed Duck is being seen at Marshall Pond. Duncan found it on the
19th and it continues to be seen. Sounds like it may be a female.

Cheers!

Tim Blount
Subject: Common Pochard Oregon History
From: "Robert O'Brien" <baro AT pdx.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:09:38 -0800
Many years ago...............
There was a Pochard wannabe at an urban pond in Beverton.
There were photos but I don't recall what became of it.
I didn't go out to see it myself.
I checked OBOL archives back to 2002 and didn't find it.
It isn't on the Oregon List.
Does anyone else remember this bird?
Any photos?
Are archives earlier than 2002 available?
Bob OBrien
Carver OR
Subject: American Tree Sparrow and Three Short-eared Owl
From: Jack Williamson <jack.williamson.jr AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:26:56 -0800
I am so glad that I checked OBOL this morning and then played hookey after
reading Jen Sanford's account of a tame American Tree Sparrow foraging near
the Sea Scout Base off Marine Drive. It is not often that I am able to
enjoy close unobstructed views of a life bird - so this was a real treat.
The icing on the cake was three Short-eared Owls, at times close-enough to
each other to almost fit into the same frame.

Thank you Jen!


http://www.jack-n-jill.net/blog/2014/11/Marine_Drive_American_Tree_Sparrow_and_Three_Short-eared_Owl 


-- 
Jack Williamson
West Linn, Oregon
Subject: American Tree Sparrow
From: Nels Nelson <nelsnelson7 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:59:27 -0800
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S20663953

I owe a big tip of the hat in thanks to Jen Sanford for her OBOL posting.
Another lifer bites the dust and a beautiful one at that.

Nels Nelson
Hillsboro
Subject: Columbia County
From: Donald Coggswell <dcoggswell AT hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:53:09 -0800
 All the birds Russ Namitz reported for Scappoose Bottoms were present today. 
Nice male Eurasian Wigeon & Cinnamon Teal seen from viewing platform at the 
Scappoose sewer treatment plant. Three Goldeneye, two common & one Barrow's, at 
Ellis Dairy. 

 
          Don Coggswell
 		 	   		  
Subject: Lewis's Woodpeckers, regular wintering bird in Jackson County
From: Harry Fuller <atowhee AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:52:38 -0800
but they were posing on a rainy day
https://atowhee.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/short-days-and-reduced-light/
-- 
Harry Fuller
author of FREEWAY BIRDING, see: *freewaybirding.com
*
Atowhee AT gmail
http://www.towhee.net
my birding blog: atowhee.wordpress.com
Subject: Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
From: Dwight P <gpic4dp AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:47:43 -0800
Dave,

Thanks for chiming in on this. I think there actually is a pale area on the
bill, it just doesn't show up well in the photos. This morning I went back
with my scope and got a better look at the bill pattern. It has a dark tip,
then light blue and then darker blue. It's hard to see in the photos with
the wet bill/glare but it was obvious in the scope. I added a sketch of
this-
http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342288

I also cranked up the contrast and saturation on the photos and then the
pale area is more visible-
http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342286

I also added a photo with the bird's head extended-
http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158342415

Jeff Gilligan sent me a message and agreed with my hybrid ID but he also
said to look at a lot of young Common Pochard photos. So I did, and there
sure is a lot of variability in female Common Pochards (and female
Redheads). Every image online shows a dark breast and this bird has a light
breast, could that be due to wear? If this bird took a ride across the
Pacific on Typhoon Nuri surely that would put some wear on the bird. Alan
mentioned the bird was in desperate need of a molt, does this mean it's
extra worn-looking? I'm not saying it's a pochard, but it doesn't seem like
a slam-dunk for the hybrid ID either. I just want to get the ID right.

I put all the images in a gallery for simplicity-
http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/duck_id

Thanks Again,

Dwight Porter
Portland, Oregon





On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:13 PM, David Irons  wrote:

> I think that the absence of a pale area on the bill also points away from
> Common Pochard.
>
> Dave Irons
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:38:32 -0500
> From: willwright26 AT q.com
> To: whoffman AT peak.org
> CC: obol AT freelists.org; gpic4dp AT gmail.com
> Subject: [obol] Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
>
> A good question, Wayne.  However, I see no hint of an eye ring.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Wayne Hoffman" 
> *To: *gpic4dp AT gmail.com
> *Cc: *obol AT freelists.org
> *Sent: *Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:24:10 PM
> *Subject: *[obol] Re: Canvasback x Redhead hybrid in SW Portland
>
> Hi -
>
> This is a very interesting bird, and good photos!  I suspect your ID is
> correct, but can you completely discount Common Pochard?
>
> Wayne
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Dwight P  wrote:
>
> A Canvasback x Redhead hybrid has been hanging out at the Oregon Episcopal
> School Wetlands in SW Portland since Tuesday. It took me a few visits and
> then finally some closer looks and decent photos to figure it out. It was
> there this morning (11/23).
>
> Photo-
> http://www.pbase.com/dwight_porter/image/158329933
>
> Dwight Porter
> Portland, Oregon
>
>
>
Subject: TWO Lesser BB Gulls
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:41:20 -0800
Noah's photos demonstrate that there are at least TWO Lesser Black-backed Gulls 
present at Ricketts Road, as this nice adult is NOT the same bird that half a 
dozen of us watched earlier this afternoon. The bird we saw was a third-year 
bird with a half-black bill and fairly heavy head streaking. I'll post my bad 
photos of it. 

.
.
Alan Contreras
acontrer56 AT gmail.com

Eugene, Oregon




On Nov 24, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Noah Strycker wrote:

> Hi birders,
> 
> The gull loafed around until 4:05 this afternoon, when it (and its friends) 
flew back toward the landfill across I-5. It wasn't present when I checked at 
8:30 this morning, or at noon, so maybe it likes to hang out in this field in 
late afternoon? When it flew, it showed yellow legs and feet. It looked like a 
full adult (pure white tail, etc), perhaps just slightly larger than the 
Ring-bills, with the relatively slim profile of a LBBG, a small amount of head 
streaking, and a pale eye. Here are some poorly digiscoped shots: 

> 
> http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S20663596
> 
> Best viewing is from the west side of the railroad tracks on Ricketts Road 
(just west of Hwy 99, a couple miles north of Creswell); the elevated tracks 
give enough elevation to see over tall grasses. The gulls were all in the 
puddle on the north side of Ricketts Rd this afternoon, but they were hanging 
out with the sheep on the south side of the road when I checked earlier in the 
day. 

> 
> Nice find, Barbara!
> 
> Good birding,
> 
> Noah Strycker
> 
> 
Subject: Lane Co. Lesser Black-backed Gull photos
From: Noah Strycker <noah.strycker AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:31:55 -0800
Hi birders,

The gull loafed around until 4:05 this afternoon, when it (and its friends)
flew back toward the landfill across I-5. It wasn't present when I checked
at 8:30 this morning, or at noon, so maybe it likes to hang out in this
field in late afternoon? When it flew, it showed yellow legs and feet. It
looked like a full adult (pure white tail, etc), perhaps just slightly
larger than the Ring-bills, with the relatively slim profile of a LBBG, a
small amount of head streaking, and a pale eye. Here are some poorly
digiscoped shots:

http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist?subID=S20663596

Best viewing is from the west side of the railroad tracks on Ricketts Road
(just west of Hwy 99, a couple miles north of Creswell); the elevated
tracks give enough elevation to see over tall grasses. The gulls were all
in the puddle on the north side of Ricketts Rd this afternoon, but they
were hanging out with the sheep on the south side of the road when I
checked earlier in the day.

Nice find, Barbara!

Good birding,

Noah Strycker
Subject: Marys Peak NO GCRFincch; Pine Grosbeak
From: "Pat Tilley" <pat2ly AT comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:36:52 -0800
Barbara Dolan and I made a trip to Marys Peak this morning to locate previously 
sighted Gray-crowned Rosy Finch and Pine Grosbeak. We made our way to the top 
of the peak up the main trail, stopping at the wooden bench to scan with binos 
and scope the Noble Firs. Not a bird in sight anywhere. It was 41 degrees and 
windy, probably the 5-8MPH as forecast with stronger gusts. One birder reported 
a small flock of GCRFinches flying across the road near the campground. There 
were no birds at all at the parking lot, nor any at the campground that we 
sighted or heard. On the trail coming down one Junco popped up in a fir tree, 
several Red-breasted Nuthatches were feeding in the firs, and on Marys Peak 
road near the summit on Raven soared over the tree tops. Beautiful day up on 
the peak with some fog below and a bit of haze. The sun was out when we arrived 
at 9:20 when we arrived. There was no rain for a pleasant hike up the trail 
when the wind ceased for moments. Beautiful day on the mountain! 

My life list will have to wait for another day for a Pine Grosbeak!  

Pat Tilley
Salem, OR.
Subject: Perfect Male Anna's Hummer
From: john shewey <jshewey AT earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:31:14 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
I've been lucky to have a perfect male Anna's Hummer (until this weekend, when 
he seems to have been supplanted as owner of the feeder by a female), and I 
don't think he could be any more prime if it was the middle of May. Here's a 
little photo gallery: http://www.birdingoregon.com/field-notes.html 

John Shewey


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Subject: Re: Umatilla/McNary Pine Grosbeaks & Boardman Raptor Route
From: Bob Archer <rabican1 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:15:52 -0800
Some are in the Cascades year round. I find them during summer hikes in Mt Hood 
area. 


Not that your birds came from there..

Bob Archer
PDX



> On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Bill Bradford  wrote:
> 
> We spent some time this weekend in the Boardman/Irrigon/Umatilla area, 
running the Boardman Raptor Route on Saturday. The most interesting birds were 
on Sunday morning, when Bill found a pair of PINE GROSBEAKS feeding on cherries 
at the Big River Golf Course in McNary, southeast of the dam. It seems like 
Pine Grosbeaks have popped up a lot lately on OBOL -- do they have irruptive 
years? 

> 
> As for the raptor route, Red-Tail and Kestrel numbers were down compared to 
last year's November count, possibly due to the strong winds that developed by 
early afternoon. 

> 
> 47 Red-Tailed Hawks
> 32 Kestrels
> 6 Northern Harriers
> 5 Bald Eagles (3 adults; 2 sub-adults)
> 1 Prairie Falcon; 1 Peregrine Falcon; 1 Merlin
> 1 Sharp-Shinned Hawk; 1 Cooper's Hawk; 1 Accipiter unable to ID
> 
> Other notable birds on the route included a late SAY'S PHOEBE on the tree 
farm at the intersection of Poleline and Homestead. Also, on Depot Lane (SE of 
the Umatilla NWR), we found ourselves smack dab in the middle of the biggest 
murmuration we've ever witnessed in Oregon. The flock was primarily Starlings, 
Red-Winged and Brewers Blackbirds, though we did notice a few flashes of white 
wing patches of Yellow-Headed Blackbirds and an almost-white leucistic bird 
that we couldn't ID. 

> 
> Lora Minty
> Bill Bradford
> Portland, OR 
> 
> 
> 


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Subject: Re: PDX American Tree Sparrow Photos
From: Bob Archer <rabican1 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:13:04 -0800
It was last seen about 2pm, before this rain shower, about half way between the 
base and a seed pile . West side of base I should add. 


It is in the rocks working around the clumps of grass along river edge..

Wonderful example of the species!

Thanks Jen.


Bob Archer
PDX



> On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Jen Sanford  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> From what I understand the bird is continuing to be enjoyed by all who have 
gone to see it. Yay! I uploaded some photos to my Flickr from this morning, 
starting with this one: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stoptellingmeitsokay/15870100482/in/photostream/ 

> 
> Good birding,
> 
> Jen Sanford
Subject: RBA L BB GULL continues
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:57:25 -0800
bird is feeding under the powerlines, just south of Ricketts Rd. 3rd year bird.

Alan Contreras
Eugene, Oregon

acontrer56 AT gmail.com

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Subject: PDX American Tree Sparrow Photos
From: Jen Sanford <jjsanford AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:57:25 -0800
Hi all,

From what I understand the bird is continuing to be enjoyed by all who have
gone to see it.  Yay!  I uploaded some photos to my Flickr from this
morning, starting with this one:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stoptellingmeitsokay/15870100482/in/photostream/

Good birding,

Jen Sanford
Subject: Mary's Peak Rosey-finches and Pine Grosbeaks YES
From: "Linda Gilbert" <oregonjunco AT msn.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:56:08 -0800
This morning I found 6 GRAY-CROWNED ROSY-FINCHES feeding in the road at the 
summit. I did not see any grosbeaks on the way up so decided to take the trail 
down from the north side of the summit. It goes through the noble fir forest 
and ends up near the bench on the summit gravel road/trail. I heard finches off 
to the right but did not see any. Back at the bench I saw a large reddish finch 
in the top of a fir calling loudly but did not get a good look. I went back up 
the trail listening for calls and then followed the sound off the trail. While 
listening, a female gold-colored PINE GROSBEAK dropped down and started feeding 
on the ground about 15 feet in front of me. She even hopped closer once I had 
the binoculars on her. 
Subject: Eugene: BH Grosbeak in my yard!
From: Julia Siporin <jsiporin AT mac.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:49:55 -0800
As I was eating lunch today at 1:40 & watching birds, 4 Robins flew down to our 
“waterfall”; they stood & looked in the window & then this Black-headed 
Grosbeak - young male flew down amidst them; the Robins stayed. I managed to 
take a pic through the window with my phone. A few years ago, on a cold & snowy 
January day, I had a BH Grosbeak in the yard… again with the Robins. I had a 
sense that the Robins were taking him in to their fold. Okay, that’s going a 
bit far… but if chickadees & kinglets can hang out together purposefully, 
maybe the Robins & Grosbeak are doing something similar. There are 3 pictures 
on my Flickr site of the bird. 


 


- Julia Siporin

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Subject: Re: Umatilla/McNary Pine Grosbeaks & Boardman Raptor Route
From: David Irons <llsdirons AT msn.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:48:58 -0800
Yes Pine Grosbeaks are irruptive like all of the "northern finches."

Dave Irons
Portland, OR

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2014, at 2:02 PM, "Bill Bradford"  wrote:

> We spent some time this weekend in the Boardman/Irrigon/Umatilla area, 
running the Boardman Raptor Route on Saturday. The most interesting birds were 
on Sunday morning, when Bill found a pair of PINE GROSBEAKS feeding on cherries 
at the Big River Golf Course in McNary, southeast of the dam. It seems like 
Pine Grosbeaks have popped up a lot lately on OBOL -- do they have irruptive 
years? 

> 
> As for the raptor route, Red-Tail and Kestrel numbers were down compared to 
last year's November count, possibly due to the strong winds that developed by 
early afternoon. 

> 
> 47 Red-Tailed Hawks
> 32 Kestrels
> 6 Northern Harriers
> 5 Bald Eagles (3 adults; 2 sub-adults)
> 1 Prairie Falcon; 1 Peregrine Falcon; 1 Merlin
> 1 Sharp-Shinned Hawk; 1 Cooper's Hawk; 1 Accipiter unable to ID
> 
> Other notable birds on the route included a late SAY'S PHOEBE on the tree 
farm at the intersection of Poleline and Homestead. Also, on Depot Lane (SE of 
the Umatilla NWR), we found ourselves smack dab in the middle of the biggest 
murmuration we've ever witnessed in Oregon. The flock was primarily Starlings, 
Red-Winged and Brewers Blackbirds, though we did notice a few flashes of white 
wing patches of Yellow-Headed Blackbirds and an almost-white leucistic bird 
that we couldn't ID. 

> 
> Lora Minty
> Bill Bradford
> Portland, OR 
> 
> 
> 


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Subject: LBBGull YES
From: Alan Contreras <acontrer56 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:13:58 -0800
Multiple observers watching the LBB Gull on Ricketts Road now. Take Goshen exit 
from I-5, south on 99 a couple of miles, west on Ricketts. Or north from 
Creswell exit on 99. 


Alan Contreras
Eugene, Oregon

acontrer56 AT gmail.com

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Subject: Re: Dead owl
From: "Wayne Hoffman" <whoffman AT peak.org>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:06:39 -0800
Hi - 

 

I have seen a Barred Owl feeding on roadkill.

 

I spent  January 1981 at a field station in the Mississippi Delta below New
Orleans.  During a cold snap (temperatures down into the teens F)  an
opossum was killed on the entrance road.  Over the next several days we
flushed a Red=tailed Hawk, a Red-shouldered Hawk, and twice Barred Owls off
the carcass.

 

Wayne

 

From: obol-bounce AT freelists.org [mailto:obol-bounce AT freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Molly Monroe
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 11:04 AM
To: jeffgilligan10 AT gmail.com; obol
Subject: [obol] Dead owl

 

We found a road killed Barred owl near the refuge entrance on Bellfountain
Rd a few months ago. Weird part was that it was the same spot I found a dead
juvenile vulture a few days prior that had been picking on a dead skunk. I
kicked what was left of the skunk as far off the road as possible but was
wondering if this owl might have also been foraging on it.
Does anyone know if Barred's have been documented eating road kill?
Molly~



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/ ) )
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I love to see anything that implies a simpler mode of life and a greater
nearness to the earth. 
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Subject: Umatilla/McNary Pine Grosbeaks & Boardman Raptor Route
From: Bill Bradford <billbradford1 AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:01:24 -0800
We spent some time this weekend in the Boardman/Irrigon/Umatilla area,
running the Boardman Raptor Route on Saturday.  The most interesting birds
were on Sunday morning, when Bill found a pair of PINE GROSBEAKS feeding on
cherries at the Big River Golf Course in McNary, southeast of the dam. It
seems like Pine Grosbeaks have popped up a lot lately on OBOL -- do they
have irruptive years?

As for the raptor route, Red-Tail and Kestrel numbers were down compared to
last year's November count, possibly due to the strong winds that developed
by early afternoon.

47 Red-Tailed Hawks
32 Kestrels
6 Northern Harriers
5 Bald Eagles (3 adults; 2 sub-adults)
1 Prairie Falcon; 1 Peregrine Falcon; 1 Merlin
1 Sharp-Shinned Hawk; 1 Cooper's Hawk; 1 Accipiter unable to ID

Other notable birds on the route included a late SAY'S PHOEBE on the tree
farm at the intersection of Poleline and Homestead. Also, on Depot Lane (SE
of the Umatilla NWR), we found ourselves smack dab in the middle of the
biggest murmuration we've ever witnessed in Oregon. The flock was primarily
Starlings, Red-Winged and Brewers Blackbirds, though we did notice a few
flashes of white wing patches of Yellow-Headed Blackbirds and an
almost-white leucistic bird that we couldn't ID.

Lora Minty
Bill Bradford
Portland, OR
Subject: Possibly 3 Short-eared Owls - Broughton Beach PDX
From: Beverly Hallberg <mapsout AT comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 12:31:30 -0800
After viewing Jen's very cooperative American Tree Sparrow (thanks Jen!) -
I walked west along the same dirt path below the bike path from the Sea
Scout base.  2 Short-eared Owls flushed just west of the 2nd set of piers
near the rocks at the bottom near the beach as we passed.  We watched them
circle over the pilings being harassed by several gulls and then they flew
back up river towards the Sea Scout base staying on the Oregon side. As we
continued west we ran into Jack Williamson who had just seen another
Short-eared Owl on the grassy bluff just below the bike path between the 2
sets of pilings.  He had seen it flushed by a Crow.  So I am now presuming
that there are at least 3 Short-eared Owls in this area.

Good birding, Beverly
Subject: Marine drive
From: Jack Williamson <jack.williamson.jr AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 12:29:55 -0800
American Tree Sparrow very cooperative and three Short-eared Owl Confirmed



-- 
Jack Williamson
West Linn, Oregon
Subject: Re: LBB Gull no
From: Lars Per Norgren <larspernorgren AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:20:58 -0800
This is the right time of year, and long overdue. Remember the 3rd and 4th 
Oregon records? They were T John Day Dam three, four years ago? Other 
detections west of the Rockies are frequently in late November. Lars 

On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Alan Contreras wrote:

> Sylvia Maulding and I are at the gullwad on Ricketts Rd. north of Creswell. 
Good variety, nothing with a black back. I saw Barbara's poor photo of the gull 
from yesterday; it looks like one of the black-backs for sure. 

> 
> I will try again this afternoon. The gull pond is a slopover for birds using 
the dump. 

> 
> Alan Contreras
> Eugene, Oregon
> 
> acontrer56 AT gmail.com
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> 
> 
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Subject: JoCo Gulls Continue
From: "Dennis Vroman" <dpvroman AT budget.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:22:11 -0800
This morning (11-24-14) at Copeland's ponds at the end of Leonard Road were 3 
Gull species, 3 CALIFORNIA, 3 HERRING and 2 GLAUCOUS-WINGED GULLS. Russ Namitz 
arrived after I had been there for a bit; thanks for posting the Gull finds to 
OBOL Russ. One DUNLIN was present with some Killdeer and a SAY'S PHOEBE was on 
the fence in the pasture east of the pond. 


Dennis