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30 Jun Re: Latest update to NEDSA meeting ["John and Sue Gregoire ] 30 Jun Re: Latest update to NEDSA meeting ["John and Sue Gregoire ] 24 Jun Ecuador odonates [] 26 Jun Ecuador odonates [] 25 Jun Latest update to NEDSA meeting ["trybulj" ] 25 Jun Latest update to NEDSA meeting ["trybulj" ] 17 Jun posting to the list [] 15 Jun Re: Dragonfly Postage Stamp ["George L. Harp" ] 15 Jun Re: Dragonfly Postage Stamp [Ethan Bright ] 14 Jun Product: Dragonfly stamp [Kathy &/or Dave Biggs ] 14 Jun Product: Dragonfly stamp [Kathy &/or Dave Biggs ] 14 Jun Re: Dragonfly Postage Stamp ["Dave McShaffrey" ] 14 Jun Dragonfly Postage Stamp [Kathy &/or Dave Biggs ] 14 Jun America-dragonfly: photos of tropical american dragonflies [johan van t Bosch ] 14 Jun Dragonfly Postage Stamp [Kathy &/or Dave Biggs ] 13 Jun test ["Nick and Ailsa Donnelly" ] 13 Jun test ["Nick and Ailsa Donnelly" ] 06 Jun Re: Additional Planiplax sanguiniventris photos have beenposted [] 6 Jun Re: Additional Planiplax sanguiniventris photos have beenposted ["SIDNEY DUNKLE" ] 6 Jun Additional Planiplax sanguiniventris photos have been posted ["David T. Dauphin" ] 06 Jun Flatbed scanner that travels [Kathy &/or Dave Biggs ] 6 Jun Re: Planiplax (and more) in Texas! RFI ["Nick and Ailsa Donnelly" ] 6 Jun Re: guide comments ["Marion Dobbs" ] 6 Jun Re: guide comments [] 6 Jun guide comments ["gljeinwv AT juno.com" ] 6 Jun Planiplax (and more) in Texas! RFI [] 5 Jun Re: Odonata-l Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1 ["Kurt Mead" ] 04 Jun Re: Guide to odonata of north-central US? ["Steve & Marcia M. Hummel" ] 4 Jun Kurt Mead's book [Larry Little ] 4 Jun Re: Guide to odonata of north-central US? ["Marion Dobbs" ] 4 Jun Guide to odonata of north-central US? [Chris Hill ] 31 May Fwd: Chromagrion mating - photos needed [Dennis Paulson ] 20 May mercury in dragonflies [John Hudson ] 19 May Re: FW: a young scientist from Vietnam ["Keith Wilson" ] 19 May Re: FW: a young scientist from Vietnam [June Tveekrem ] 18 May FW: a young scientist from Vietnam ["Intl Odonata Research Inst" ] 5 May Re: FW: scanners [] 5 May Re: FW: scanners [] 04 May Re: FW: scanners [Joe McMahon ] 04 May Re: FW: scanners [Kathy &/or Dave Biggs ] 05 May Re: FW: scanners [Terry Collins ] 4 May FW: scanners [] 25 Apr Emergence timing ["John Payne" ] 21 Apr FW: Exuviae of Neurothemis tullia [] 15 Apr Re: Reference to Selys material last page ["Intl Odonata Research Inst" ] 15 Apr Re: Reference to Selys material 3rd set of pages ["Intl Odonata Research Inst" ] 15 Apr Re: Reference to Selys material CORRECTED second set of pages ["Intl Odonata Research Inst" ] 15 Apr Re: Reference to Selys material second set of pages ["Intl Odonata Research Inst" ] 15 Apr Re: Reference to Selys material ["Intl Odonata Research Inst" ] 15 Apr Reference to Selys material [Richard Rowe ] 14 Apr Re: Fliers vs Perchers database for North American species? ["O'Brien, Mark" ] 12 Apr Fliers vs Perchers database for North American species? [] Subject: Re: Latest update to NEDSA meeting From: "John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT att.net>" Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:01:23 +0000 Thank you for a most enjoyable and informative weekend. We very much appreciate your hard work in organizing and pulling off this event! Nick, meetings in June are terrific for us and we hope they continue that way. Jan, we were very impressed by your students and your obvious love of and skill at teaching. You sir are a breath of fresh air! On the way home we ran into a lady from MI homeschooling four boys; they were in the field doing basic botany and were very knowledgeable of many natural history areas. We spent a quick two hours helping them. There's hope for this world! Erin, you sure have learned a lot quickly! Thanks for all your help. Dan, thanks for the tour and all the side info as we worked your park. We hope to get together with you again and soon. Corey, your A.longipes and a comparitive junius exuvia will be in the mail shortly. Mike, what happens when your "wheels" need retreads? ;-) You reminded me of a Phillipine Huk who taught me jungle survial many years ago - hardest feet in the world! Best to all, J&S -- Dr. John & Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett, NY 14818-9626 "Conserve & Create HABITAT" http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Latest update to NEDSA meeting From: "John and Sue Gregoire <khmo AT att.net>" Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:01:23 +0000 Thank you for a most enjoyable and informative weekend. We very much appreciate your hard work in organizing and pulling off this event! Nick, meetings in June are terrific for us and we hope they continue that way. Jan, we were very impressed by your students and your obvious love of and skill at teaching. You sir are a breath of fresh air! On the way home we ran into a lady from MI homeschooling four boys; they were in the field doing basic botany and were very knowledgeable of many natural history areas. We spent a quick two hours helping them. There's hope for this world! Erin, you sure have learned a lot quickly! Thanks for all your help. Dan, thanks for the tour and all the side info as we worked your park. We hope to get together with you again and soon. Corey, your A.longipes and a comparitive junius exuvia will be in the mail shortly. Mike, what happens when your "wheels" need retreads? ;-) You reminded me of a Phillipine Huk who taught me jungle survial many years ago - hardest feet in the world! Best to all, J&S -- Dr. John & Sue Gregoire Field Ornithologists Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory 5373 Fitzgerald Road Burdett, NY 14818-9626 "Conserve & Create HABITAT" http://home.att.net/~kestrelhaven/ Subject: Ecuador odonates From: saturniid19 AT aim.com Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:11:52 -0400 Hello, I'm working with Paul Hamilton on classifying his collection of invertebrate photos from Ecuador.? We would greatly appreciate your help in identifying some dragonflies, damselflies, or any other species you recognize.? Here is the location of the odonate photos: http://biodiversityphotography.smugmug.com/gallery/4745077_5zCnw#281420582_rrMfh (password is "identifications").? Feel free to make IDs or corrections by clicking "add comment" below the photo.? Thanks for your help, Craig Biegler_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Ecuador odonates From: saturniid19 AT aim.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:26:19 -0400 Hello, I'm working with Dr. Paul Hamilton on classifying his collection of invertebrate photos from Ecuador.? We would greatly appreciate your help in identifying some dragonflies, damselflies, or any other species you recognize.? Here is the location of the odonate photos: http://biodiversityphotography.smugmug.com/gallery/4745077_5zCnw#281420582_rrMfh (password is "identifications").? Feel free to make IDs or corrections by clicking "add comment" below the photo.? Thanks for your help, Craig Biegler_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Latest update to NEDSA meeting From: "trybulj" <trybulj AT potsdam.edu> Date: 25 Jun 2008 17:56:04 -0400 Hello Everyone, Some of the latest, last minute updates for the NE regional DSA meeting in Malone, NY this weekend have been added to the web site. http://www2.potsdam.edu/trybulj/NEDSA/ There are participant lists, an odonata checklist, a map to the meeting spot for Friday and Saturday evening at NCCC in Malone, and other items of interest. Thanks, Jan Jan Trybula, Ph.D. New York Dragonfly and Damselfly Survey Advisory Committee & Northern NY Regional Resource Person Adirondack Biodiversity: ATBI Steering Committee & Odonate leader Department of Biology SUNY Potsdam 44 Pierrepont Avenue Potsdam NY 13676 office: 205A Stowell Hall email: trybulj AT potsdam.edu phone: 315-267-2258 fax: 315-267-3170 web: http://www2.potsdam.edu/trybulj/ _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Latest update to NEDSA meeting From: "trybulj" <trybulj AT potsdam.edu> Date: 25 Jun 2008 17:56:04 -0400 Hello Everyone, Some of the latest, last minute updates for the NE regional DSA meeting in Malone, NY this weekend have been added to the web site. http://www2.potsdam.edu/trybulj/NEDSA/ There are participant lists, an odonata checklist, a map to the meeting spot for Friday and Saturday evening at NCCC in Malone, and other items of interest. Thanks, Jan Jan Trybula, Ph.D. New York Dragonfly and Damselfly Survey Advisory Committee & Northern NY Regional Resource Person Adirondack Biodiversity: ATBI Steering Committee & Odonate leader Department of Biology SUNY Potsdam 44 Pierrepont Avenue Potsdam NY 13676 office: 205A Stowell Hall email: trybulj AT potsdam.edu phone: 315-267-2258 fax: 315-267-3170 web: http://www2.potsdam.edu/trybulj/ Subject: posting to the list From: admin23751 AT wildlifephotographics.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:58:17 +0100 (BST) I would like to post that I am running a two-day Dragonfly photographic workshop next week on the 24th and 25th June 2008. This will be based at Trigonos, Nantlle, Nr. Caernarfon, North Wales. For further details and booking please contact me - Jane O'Dwyer, of Jane O'Dwyer Wildlife Photography on 01286 882390, or email me at jane AT wildlifephotographics.co.uk. Alternatively, why not check out my website www.wildlifephotographics.co.uk. _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Dragonfly Postage Stamp From: "George L. Harp" <glharp AT astate.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 16:22:34 -0500 There was a time, not terribly long ago, when you could have (for that price) cut it in two and sent two cards. No, I know not really. The price of that stamp just triggered memories of white gas for 17.9, regular for 18.9 and ethyl for 19.9, among other long-ago prices. George ________________________________ From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu on behalf of Dave McShaffrey Sent: Sat 6/14/2008 3:51 PM To: 'Kathy &/or Dave Biggs'; 'Odonata discussion group'; 'CalOdes'; 'SoWest Odes' Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] Dragonfly Postage Stamp Or, buy a bunch now and use them as regular first-class postage for your Christmas cards this winter! :) If you want to see the stamps: http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=1015 2&storeId=10001&productId=37707&langId=-1 Dave Dave McShaffrey Marietta College (740) 376-4743 www.marietta.edu/~mcshaffd -----Original Message----- From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Kathy &/or Dave Biggs Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:35 PM To: Odonata discussion group; CalOdes; SoWest Odes Subject: [Odonata-l] Dragonfly Postage Stamp Please pardon duplicate posts. If you mail from USA, there is currently a stamp with a dragonfly on it. It's the $0.62 stamp. It's not real pretty, but shows what I think is a mosaic darner. That's the stamp most used for 1st class mailings to Canada and Mexico, but can be used in conjunction with any other stamps and used however you wish. Cheers!! Kathy Biggs -- California Dragonflies http://www.sonic.net/dragonfly Southwest Dragonflies http://southwestdragonflies.net/ Bigsnest Wildlife Pond http://www.bigsnestpond.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kathy and Dave Biggs bigsnest AT sonic.net 707-823-2911 308 Bloomfield Rd. Sebastopol, CA 95472 ----------------------------------------------------------------- dba Azalea Creek Publishing azalea AT sonic.net fax: 707-823-2911 http://www.sonic.net/~bigsnest/azaleacreekpublishing/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Dragonfly Postage Stamp From: Ethan Bright <ethanbr AT umich.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:25:08 -0400 Dave McShaffrey wrote: > Or, buy a bunch now and use them as regular first-class postage for your > Christmas cards this winter! :) > > If you want to see the stamps: > > http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&productId=37707&langId=-1 > > If you mail from USA, there is currently a stamp with a dragonfly on it. > It's the $0.62 stamp. It's not real pretty, but shows what I think is a > mosaic darner. > Not real pretty? Hey, I think it's a really classy stamp, without gaudy colors and contrasts. Integration of fore- and background images and colors are really nice. My only gripe is that I'll really never need a 62¢ stamp. Cheers, Ethan _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Product: Dragonfly stamp From: Kathy &/or Dave Biggs <bigsnest AT sonic.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:32:53 -0800 http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&productId=37707&langId=-1 If you can't use the link above, be certain to paste in the ENTIRE long address to see the 62 cent stamp. Cheers!! Kathy _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Product: Dragonfly stamp From: Kathy &/or Dave Biggs <bigsnest AT sonic.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:32:53 -0800 http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&productId=37707&langId=-1 If you can't use the link above, be certain to paste in the ENTIRE long address to see the 62 cent stamp. Cheers!! Kathy Subject: Re: Dragonfly Postage Stamp From: "Dave McShaffrey" <mcshaffd AT marietta.edu> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:51:24 -0400 Or, buy a bunch now and use them as regular first-class postage for your Christmas cards this winter! :) If you want to see the stamps: http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=1015 2&storeId=10001&productId=37707&langId=-1 Dave Dave McShaffrey Marietta College (740) 376-4743 www.marietta.edu/~mcshaffd -----Original Message----- From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Kathy &/or Dave Biggs Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 2:35 PM To: Odonata discussion group; CalOdes; SoWest Odes Subject: [Odonata-l] Dragonfly Postage Stamp Please pardon duplicate posts. If you mail from USA, there is currently a stamp with a dragonfly on it. It's the $0.62 stamp. It's not real pretty, but shows what I think is a mosaic darner. That's the stamp most used for 1st class mailings to Canada and Mexico, but can be used in conjunction with any other stamps and used however you wish. Cheers!! Kathy Biggs -- California Dragonflies http://www.sonic.net/dragonfly Southwest Dragonflies http://southwestdragonflies.net/ Bigsnest Wildlife Pond http://www.bigsnestpond.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kathy and Dave Biggs bigsnest AT sonic.net 707-823-2911 308 Bloomfield Rd. Sebastopol, CA 95472 ----------------------------------------------------------------- dba Azalea Creek Publishing azalea AT sonic.net fax: 707-823-2911 http://www.sonic.net/~bigsnest/azaleacreekpublishing/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Dragonfly Postage Stamp From: Kathy &/or Dave Biggs <bigsnest AT sonic.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:34:42 -0800 Please pardon duplicate posts. If you mail from USA, there is currently a stamp with a dragonfly on it. It's the $0.62 stamp. It's not real pretty, but shows what I think is a mosaic darner. That's the stamp most used for 1st class mailings to Canada and Mexico, but can be used in conjunction with any other stamps and used however you wish. Cheers!! Kathy Biggs -- California Dragonflies http://www.sonic.net/dragonfly Southwest Dragonflies http://southwestdragonflies.net/ Bigsnest Wildlife Pond http://www.bigsnestpond.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kathy and Dave Biggs bigsnest AT sonic.net 707-823-2911 308 Bloomfield Rd. Sebastopol, CA 95472 ----------------------------------------------------------------- dba Azalea Creek Publishing azalea AT sonic.net fax: 707-823-2911 http://www.sonic.net/~bigsnest/azaleacreekpublishing/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: America-dragonfly: photos of tropical american dragonflies From: johan van t Bosch <johanvantbosch AT yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 18:41:51 +0000 (GMT) Hi everyone.   After asia-dragonfly and africa-dragonfly, we are proud to announce to you that America-dragonfly.net is born. Eric Gibert and I have been working on this website, with help from Dennis Paulson. Like its sister websites, america-dragonfly is a photosite to which everyone can contribute its photos or check photos taken by others. The focus is on dragon- and damselflies from the neotropics: south-america, central america and the west-indies.   Knowledge of the neotropical odonata is growing every year, new species are described every year and many are probably still waiting to be discovered. For a majority of the neotropical species identification from photos alone is still difficult. Catching individuals is a necessity to clinch identification for the majority of species. and to rule out undescribed species. With this website we hope to make neotropical odonatology a bit more accessible. To make it easier to get an idea of what the different species look like and to share our experiences by exchanging photos of individuals in the wild or in the hand.   We ask all of you to upload good photos of neotropical dragons and damsels you have identified, to america-dragonfly.net. But also... don't hesitate to upload photos of species you haven't been able to identify (yet). Maybe other people can help you; maybe you can help others. Or maybe it will be possible to identify them later, as knowledge grows.   Please take a look at america-dragonfly.net and add your photos!   Best wishes, Johan van 't Bosch __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Dragonfly Postage Stamp From: Kathy &/or Dave Biggs <bigsnest AT sonic.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:34:42 -0800 Please pardon duplicate posts. If you mail from USA, there is currently a stamp with a dragonfly on it. It's the $0.62 stamp. It's not real pretty, but shows what I think is a mosaic darner. That's the stamp most used for 1st class mailings to Canada and Mexico, but can be used in conjunction with any other stamps and used however you wish. Cheers!! Kathy Biggs -- California Dragonflies http://www.sonic.net/dragonfly Southwest Dragonflies http://southwestdragonflies.net/ Bigsnest Wildlife Pond http://www.bigsnestpond.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kathy and Dave Biggs bigsnest AT sonic.net 707-823-2911 308 Bloomfield Rd. Sebastopol, CA 95472 ----------------------------------------------------------------- dba Azalea Creek Publishing azalea AT sonic.net fax: 707-823-2911 http://www.sonic.net/~bigsnest/azaleacreekpublishing/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: test From: "Nick and Ailsa Donnelly" <tdonelly AT binghamton.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:09:25 -0400 Test 11:09 AM _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: test From: "Nick and Ailsa Donnelly" <tdonelly AT binghamton.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:10:38 -0400 Test 11:10 AM _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Additional Planiplax sanguiniventris photos have beenposted From: MAY AT aesop.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:52:04 -0400 (EDT) I definitely agree with Sid. The midrib of the anal loop is virtually straight, as seen in the 2nd photo, and the new pics clearly do not show the characteristic Erythemis femoral spines. Mike May >Hi David and all, > >Still looks like Planiplax to me. Nice photos, and good work! > >Sid >_______________________________________________ >Odonata-l mailing list >Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu >https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Additional Planiplax sanguiniventris photos have beenposted From: "SIDNEY DUNKLE" <sidneydunkle AT msn.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 16:31:37 -0700 Hi David and all, Still looks like Planiplax to me. Nice photos, and good work! Sid_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Additional Planiplax sanguiniventris photos have been posted From: "David T. Dauphin" <dauphins AT sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:47:52 -0500 Jan, me, Martin Reid, and Tom Pendleton managed to get better photos of the Planiplax sanguiniventris, at the resaca boat ramp at Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley SP-WBC, Mission, Hidalgo Co., TX, today. Photos are posted at: http://outdoors.webshots.com/album/540330134EjHYsB?start=72 or in Jan's "Newest Photos 6/8/09" album, via our webpage. We were able to see two individuals at the same time. These guys have yet to show themselves until about 1030hrs. David Dauphin Mission, TX http:www.thedauphins.net _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Flatbed scanner that travels From: Kathy &/or Dave Biggs <bigsnest AT sonic.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2008 08:52:24 -0800 Hello, I have a friend who will be traveling and would like to be able to scan as he goes. Can anyone suggest a scanner that would travel well and do a good job? Thanks!! Kathy Biggs -- California Dragonflies http://www.sonic.net/dragonfly Southwest Dragonflies http://southwestdragonflies.net/ Bigsnest Wildlife Pond http://www.bigsnestpond.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kathy and Dave Biggs bigsnest AT sonic.net 707-823-2911 308 Bloomfield Rd. Sebastopol, CA 95472 ----------------------------------------------------------------- dba Azalea Creek Publishing azalea AT sonic.net fax: 707-823-2911 http://www.sonic.net/~bigsnest/azaleacreekpublishing/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Planiplax (and more) in Texas! RFI From: "Nick and Ailsa Donnelly" <tdonelly AT binghamton.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:39:43 -0400 Planiplax, esp sanguiniventris, and Erythemis peruviana look startling alike. There is a strong difference in their habits. Erythemis perches commonly along the shore, saying "Photograph me!", which I have done several times, as have many of you. The various species of Planiplax (I have found four) rarely do this. They tend to fly out over water, and their favorite perches tend to be on small grass stems or sticks far from the shore. They seem difficult to approach. There are several differences in specimens in the hand, of which the legs (stout with heavy femoral spines in Erythemis, and thinner, with no stout spines in Planiplax) are the most obvious. There are important venational differences, which I suspect cannot be photographed easily. The very small difference in the spot in the base of the hind wing is probably not useful in identification, as these spots tend to vary considerably right through the entire family. Erythemis has the second abdominal segment mainly dark, and planiplax has all segments red. I am a little sceptical of the ID. I would suggest that the most convincing difference in a photo would be the legs. Nick Donnelly -----Original Message----- From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of opihi AT mindspring.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 12:42 AM To: Odonata-l Subject: [Odonata-l] Planiplax (and more) in Texas! RFI Howdy folks, We have been having some big excitement this week at Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park (in extreme southern Texas). A dragon, possibly more than one, which I initially mistook from photos as Erythemis peruviana, has turned out instead to be Planiplax, a genus never before recorded in the US! Photos by Jan and David Dauphin, who first discovered the critter, are on their website here: http://outdoors.webshots.com/album/540330134EjHYsB?start=72 This dragon was first spotted on Monday 6-2-08, and has been seen each day since. The Dauphins initially reported 2 and perhaps as many as 4; I have yet to see more than one, but the resaca where it has been lurking is swarming with Red-tailed Pennants (Brachymesia furcata), as well as a number of other brilliant red Libellulids, and while a Planiplax leaps out of the crowd when it passes nearby, it could be easily missed at a distance of more than a few meters. The most likely species is P. sanguiniventris, according to Needham, Westfall, and May the only member of the genus recorded from the Mexican states nearest the US. However, we have been stymied in attempts to obtain a specimen to confirm this. I have spent over three hours at the boat ramp, the site of all observations so far, and seen the critter exactly twice. The Dauphins, who have been able to spend far more time searching than I, confirm that they see it roughly once per hour. These once-hourly sightings are uniformly very brief, never more than a few seconds, and only twice in the dozen or so encounters has it ever been seen to perch. Otherwise it remains stolidly offshore. Even getting photos has been impossible in all but one case, and none of us has even gotten close to swinging a net at the little bugger. Which brings me to my first question: Does anyone out there have experience with this species in the field that might help us in trying to capture one, or at least explain why it is so elusive? Martin Reid, who saw it with us today, hypothesized that it might be patrolling the entire wetland, passing by once per hour because it takes it that long to circumnavigate the entire resaca (a.k.a. an oxbow lake, a long and winding body of water). Our other thought is that it might be hiding out somewhere, maybe in the shade, maybe too far offshore to be picked out of the masses of B. furcata, and not visiting the boat ramp often; or that it might actually be sensitive to human presence, refusing to perch or remain for long in the boat ramp vicinity because of the persistent human presence there. Any of these theories sound consistent with this genus' behavior where it is more common further south? More to the story: the Planiplax is far from alone. In addition to this first-for-the-US occurrence, we have seen, over the past few days, a first Texas record Metallic Pennant (Idiataphe cubensis), a first LRGV record Antillean Saddlebags (Tramea insularis), first park records of Black Pondhawk (Erythemis attala) and Three-striped Dasher (Micrathyria didyma), and rare but not unprecedented species that, in any other week, might have been the highlight odonate, such as Tawny Pennant (Brachymesia herbida), Pin-tailed Pondhawk (E. plebeja), Checkered Setwing (Dythemis fugax), Narrow-striped Forceptail (Aphylla protracta), and Halloween Pennant (Celithemis eponina - an abundant species further north but decidedly rare in the LRGV). This astounding collection of species seems far beyond what could happen by mere coincidence, and I have spent too much time watching odonates at this particular boat ramp over the past two-and-a-half years to attribute this to increased observer attention. I have heard butterfly-watchers relate occurrences of rare Mexican butterflies to strong southwesterly winds following autumn cold fronts. We have had very strong southeasterly winds over the past few days, and several of the species involved seem to have Caribbean affiliations (I. cubensis and T. insularis especially). Does this seem like a sound explanation for this occurrence, or does anyone have an alternative explanation for why so many rarities might appear at the same time? Thanks in advance for any insights that anyone can provide. And thanks also for reading this far, this e-mail really turned into something of an epic... Cheers, Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Natural Resource Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park http://www.worldbirdingcenter.org/sites/mission/index.phtml joshua.rose AT tpwd.state.tx.us 956-584-9156 x 236 _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: guide comments From: "Marion Dobbs" <pond_damsel AT comcast.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:31:05 -0400 As Bill said, Giff Beaton's "Dragonflies and Damselflies of Georgia and the Southeast" is a must-have for your needs. In fact, it's would be an excellent addition to any odonata enthusiast's library. Marion Dobbs Rome GA pond_damsel ATcomcast.net http://www.mamomi.net http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com/ http://ponddamsel.phanfare.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: iodonata AT bellsouth.net To: gljeinwv AT juno.com ; mndfly AT cpinternet.com Cc: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Odonata-l] guide comments for the SE, Giff Beaton's Georgia one should be a good one for you to obtain info goto http://www.giffbeaton.com/dragonflies.htm Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of gljeinwv AT juno.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:03 AM To: mndfly AT cpinternet.com Cc: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu Subject: [Odonata-l] guide comments I have Kurt's and Larry Rosche's books along with; "Dragonflies and Damselflies" of Massachusetts by Nikula, Loose and Burne; "Dragonflies through Binoculars" by Dunkle; "Beginner's Guide to Dragonflies" by Stokes and "Damselflies of the Northeast" by Lam. Even though I'm in WV, Kurt's and the Mass, guide are very relevant to this area. I think the Stokes guide is great not only for beginners, but due to it's portability, I usually have it in my back pocket when I'm looking for odes. I can recommend all of the books I mentioned, but I'm still hoping that Ed Lam will do a "Dragonflies of the Northeast" to complement his superb damselfly guide. Even though I've got five guides, some of the species in WV aren't in any of them. Can someone recommend a guide that covers the SE? Gary Felton Kingwood, WV -- "Kurt Mead" wrote: Chris, I would humbly recommend my field guide, "Dragonflies of the North Woods" as it is intended to cover, amongst other regions, the UP and the upper portions of the LP of Michigan. If you are in southern MI, "Dragonflies and Damselflies of Northeast Ohio" by Larry Rosche will be helpful. Kurt Mead ----------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:17:33 -0400 From: Chris Hill Subject: [Odonata-l] Guide to odonata of north-central US? To: odonata-l Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Sorry for the parochial nature of this question, but I can't seem to subscribe to the Great Lakes Odonata e-mail list, or I'd ask there. Can anyone recommend a guide to odonates of the Upper Midwestern United States? I'm spending the summer in Michigan, and would love to pick up a field guide that focusses on that region, if there is one. Chris ************************************************************************ Christopher E. Hill Biology Department Coastal Carolina University Conway, SC 29528-1954 chill AT coastal.edu http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm If you can't annoy somebody with what you write, I think there's little point in writing. ~ Kingsley Amis ____________________________________________________________ Tone your whole body with a great total gym. Click now! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: guide comments From: <iodonata AT bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:15:42 -0400 for the SE, Giff Beaton's Georgia one should be a good one for you to obtain info goto http://www.giffbeaton.com/dragonflies.htm Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net _____ From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of gljeinwv AT juno.com Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:03 AM To: mndfly AT cpinternet.com Cc: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu Subject: [Odonata-l] guide comments I have Kurt's and Larry Rosche's books along with; "Dragonflies and Damselflies" of Massachusetts by Nikula, Loose and Burne; "Dragonflies through Binoculars" by Dunkle; "Beginner's Guide to Dragonflies" by Stokes and "Damselflies of the Northeast" by Lam. Even though I'm in WV, Kurt's and the Mass, guide are very relevant to this area. I think the Stokes guide is great not only for beginners, but due to it's portability, I usually have it in my back pocket when I'm looking for odes. I can recommend all of the books I mentioned, but I'm still hoping that Ed Lam will do a "Dragonflies of the Northeast" to complement his superb damselfly guide. Even though I've got five guides, some of the species in WV aren't in any of them. Can someone recommend a guide that covers the SE? Gary Felton Kingwood, WV -- "Kurt Mead" wrote: Chris, I would humbly recommend my field guide, "Dragonflies of the North Woods" as it is intended to cover, amongst other regions, the UP and the upper portions of the LP of Michigan. If you are in southern MI, "Dragonflies and Damselflies of Northeast Ohio" by Larry Rosche will be helpful. Kurt Mead ----------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:17:33 -0400 From: Chris Hill Subject: [Odonata-l] Guide to odonata of north-central US? To: odonata-l Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Sorry for the parochial nature of this question, but I can't seem to subscribe to the Great Lakes Odonata e-mail list, or I'd ask there. Can anyone recommend a guide to odonates of the Upper Midwestern United States? I'm spending the summer in Michigan, and would love to pick up a field guide that focusses on that region, if there is one. Chris ************************************************************************ Christopher E. Hill Biology Department Coastal Carolina University Conway, SC 29528-1954 chill AT coastal.edu http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm If you can't annoy somebody with what you write, I think there's little point in writing. ~ Kingsley Amis ____________________________________________________________ Tone your whole body with a great total gym. Click now! _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: guide comments From: "gljeinwv AT juno.com" <gljeinwv@juno.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:03:25 GMT I have Kurt's and Larry Rosche's books along with; "Dragonflies and Damselflies" of Massachusetts by Nikula, Loose and Burne; "Dragonflies through Binoculars" by Dunkle; "Beginner's Guide to Dragonflies" by Stokes and "Damselflies of the Northeast" by Lam. Even though I'm in WV, Kurt's and the Mass, guide are very relevant to this area. I think the Stokes guide is great not only for beginners, but due to it's portability, I usually have it in my back pocket when I'm looking for odes. I can recommend all of the books I mentioned, but I'm still hoping that Ed Lam will do a "Dragonflies of the Northeast" to complement his superb damselfly guide. Even though I've got five guides, some of the species in WV aren't in any of them. Can someone recommend a guide that covers the SE? Gary Felton Kingwood, WV -- "Kurt Mead" wrote: Chris, I would humbly recommend my field guide, "Dragonflies of the North Woods" as it is intended to cover, amongst other regions, the UP and the upper portions of the LP of Michigan. If you are in southern MI, "Dragonflies and Damselflies of Northeast Ohio" by Larry Rosche will be helpful. Kurt Mead ----------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:17:33 -0400 From: Chris Hill Subject: [Odonata-l] Guide to odonata of north-central US? To: odonata-l Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Sorry for the parochial nature of this question, but I can't seem to subscribe to the Great Lakes Odonata e-mail list, or I'd ask there. Can anyone recommend a guide to odonates of the Upper Midwestern United States? I'm spending the summer in Michigan, and would love to pick up a field guide that focusses on that region, if there is one. Chris ************************************************************************ Christopher E. Hill Biology Department Coastal Carolina University Conway, SC 29528-1954 chill AT coastal.edu http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm If you can't annoy somebody with what you write, I think there's little point in writing. ~ Kingsley Amis ____________________________________________________________ Tone your whole body with a great total gym. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mOZShS21UO3fr1ERQBWPyuEQqtsXa9tBTdodZQm1eY0r4H6/ _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Planiplax (and more) in Texas! RFI From: opihi AT mindspring.com Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 00:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Howdy folks, We have been having some big excitement this week at Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park (in extreme southern Texas). A dragon, possibly more than one, which I initially mistook from photos as Erythemis peruviana, has turned out instead to be Planiplax, a genus never before recorded in the US! Photos by Jan and David Dauphin, who first discovered the critter, are on their website here: http://outdoors.webshots.com/album/540330134EjHYsB?start=72 This dragon was first spotted on Monday 6-2-08, and has been seen each day since. The Dauphins initially reported 2 and perhaps as many as 4; I have yet to see more than one, but the resaca where it has been lurking is swarming with Red-tailed Pennants (Brachymesia furcata), as well as a number of other brilliant red Libellulids, and while a Planiplax leaps out of the crowd when it passes nearby, it could be easily missed at a distance of more than a few meters. The most likely species is P. sanguiniventris, according to Needham, Westfall, and May the only member of the genus recorded from the Mexican states nearest the US. However, we have been stymied in attempts to obtain a specimen to confirm this. I have spent over three hours at the boat ramp, the site of all observations so far, and seen the critter exactly twice. The Dauphins, who have been able to spend far more time searching than I, confirm that they see it roughly once per hour. These once-hourly sightings are uniformly very brief, never more than a few seconds, and only twice in the dozen or so encounters has it ever been seen to perch. Otherwise it remains stolidly offshore. Even getting photos has been impossible in all but one case, and none of us has even gotten close to swinging a net at the little bugger. Which brings me to my first question: Does anyone out there have experience with this species in the field that might help us in trying to capture one, or at least explain why it is so elusive? Martin Reid, who saw it with us today, hypothesized that it might be patrolling the entire wetland, passing by once per hour because it takes it that long to circumnavigate the entire resaca (a.k.a. an oxbow lake, a long and winding body of water). Our other thought is that it might be hiding out somewhere, maybe in the shade, maybe too far offshore to be picked out of the masses of B. furcata, and not visiting the boat ramp often; or that it might actually be sensitive to human presence, refusing to perch or remain for long in the boat ramp vicinity because of the persistent human presence there. Any of these theories sound consistent with this genus' behavior where it is more common further south? More to the story: the Planiplax is far from alone. In addition to this first-for-the-US occurrence, we have seen, over the past few days, a first Texas record Metallic Pennant (Idiataphe cubensis), a first LRGV record Antillean Saddlebags (Tramea insularis), first park records of Black Pondhawk (Erythemis attala) and Three-striped Dasher (Micrathyria didyma), and rare but not unprecedented species that, in any other week, might have been the highlight odonate, such as Tawny Pennant (Brachymesia herbida), Pin-tailed Pondhawk (E. plebeja), Checkered Setwing (Dythemis fugax), Narrow-striped Forceptail (Aphylla protracta), and Halloween Pennant (Celithemis eponina - an abundant species further north but decidedly rare in the LRGV). This astounding collection of species seems far beyond what could happen by mere coincidence, and I have spent too much time watching odonates at this particular boat ramp over the past two-and-a-half years to attribute this to increased observer attention. I have heard butterfly-watchers relate occurrences of rare Mexican butterflies to strong southwesterly winds following autumn cold fronts. We have had very strong southeasterly winds over the past few days, and several of the species involved seem to have Caribbean affiliations (I. cubensis and T. insularis especially). Does this seem like a sound explanation for this occurrence, or does anyone have an alternative explanation for why so many rarities might appear at the same time? Thanks in advance for any insights that anyone can provide. And thanks also for reading this far, this e-mail really turned into something of an epic... Cheers, Josh Joshua S. Rose, Ph.D. Natural Resource Specialist World Birding Center Bentsen-Rio Grande Valley State Park http://www.worldbirdingcenter.org/sites/mission/index.phtml joshua.rose AT tpwd.state.tx.us 956-584-9156 x 236 _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Odonata-l Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1 From: "Kurt Mead" <mndfly AT cpinternet.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:42:37 -0500 Chris, I would humbly recommend my field guide, "Dragonflies of the North Woods" as it is intended to cover, amongst other regions, the UP and the upper portions of the LP of Michigan. If you are in southern MI, "Dragonflies and Damselflies of Northeast Ohio" by Larry Rosche will be helpful. Kurt Mead -----Original Message----- From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of odonata-l-request AT listhost.ups.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 2:00 PM To: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu Subject: Odonata-l Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1 Send Odonata-l mailing list submissions to odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to odonata-l-request AT listhost.ups.edu You can reach the person managing the list at odonata-l-owner AT listhost.ups.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Odonata-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Guide to odonata of north-central US? (Chris Hill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:17:33 -0400 From: Chris Hill Subject: [Odonata-l] Guide to odonata of north-central US? To: odonata-l Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Sorry for the parochial nature of this question, but I can't seem to subscribe to the Great Lakes Odonata e-mail list, or I'd ask there. Can anyone recommend a guide to odonates of the Upper Midwestern United States? I'm spending the summer in Michigan, and would love to pick up a field guide that focusses on that region, if there is one. Chris ************************************************************************ Christopher E. Hill Biology Department Coastal Carolina University Conway, SC 29528-1954 chill AT coastal.edu http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm If you can't annoy somebody with what you write, I think there's little point in writing. ~ Kingsley Amis ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l End of Odonata-l Digest, Vol 53, Issue 1 **************************************** _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Guide to odonata of north-central US? From: "Steve & Marcia M. Hummel" <mshummel AT netins.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 23:02:12 -0500 Hi Chris, Kurt Mead's book, as mentioned by others, is very good, but only covers anisoptera. In the same series is Damselflies of the North Woods by Bob DuBois. Between the two, you'd have Michigan covered. Appropriate for the southern part of the state would be Dragonflies of Indiana by James R. Curry. It also is limited to anisoptera and is quite good. Steve Hummel On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:17:33 -0400 Chris Hill wrote: > Sorry for the parochial nature of this question, but I can't seem to > > subscribe to the Great Lakes Odonata e-mail list, or I'd ask there. > > Can anyone recommend a guide to odonates of the Upper Midwestern > United States? I'm spending the summer in Michigan, and would love >to > pick up a field guide that focusses on that region, if there is one. > > Chris > > ************************************************************************ > Christopher E. Hill > Biology Department > Coastal Carolina University > Conway, SC 29528-1954 > chill AT coastal.edu > http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm > > If you can't annoy somebody with what you write, I think there's > little point in writing. ~ Kingsley Amis > > > _______________________________________________ > Odonata-l mailing list > Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu > https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Kurt Mead's book From: Larry Little <jcoyote AT comcast.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:55:26 -0700 I just got a copy of this manual and it is excellent. I recommend it highly. L2 _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Guide to odonata of north-central US? From: "Marion Dobbs" <pond_damsel AT comcast.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 15:31:20 -0400 There's Kurt Mead's "Dragonflies of the North Woods," which covers upper MN, MI, and WI as well as the area of Canada just to the north. Marion Dobbs Rome GA pond_damsel ATcomcast.net http://www.mamomi.net http://mariondobbs.smugmug.com/ http://ponddamsel.phanfare.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hill" To: "odonata-l" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: [Odonata-l] Guide to odonata of north-central US? > Sorry for the parochial nature of this question, but I can't seem to > subscribe to the Great Lakes Odonata e-mail list, or I'd ask there. > > Can anyone recommend a guide to odonates of the Upper Midwestern > United States? I'm spending the summer in Michigan, and would love to > pick up a field guide that focusses on that region, if there is one. > > Chris > > ************************************************************************ > Christopher E. Hill > Biology Department > Coastal Carolina University > Conway, SC 29528-1954 > chill AT coastal.edu > http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm > > If you can't annoy somebody with what you write, I think there's > little point in writing. ~ Kingsley Amis > > > _______________________________________________ > Odonata-l mailing list > Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu > https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Guide to odonata of north-central US? From: Chris Hill <chill AT coastal.edu> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:17:33 -0400 Sorry for the parochial nature of this question, but I can't seem to subscribe to the Great Lakes Odonata e-mail list, or I'd ask there. Can anyone recommend a guide to odonates of the Upper Midwestern United States? I'm spending the summer in Michigan, and would love to pick up a field guide that focusses on that region, if there is one. Chris ************************************************************************ Christopher E. Hill Biology Department Coastal Carolina University Conway, SC 29528-1954 chill AT coastal.edu http://ww2.coastal.edu/chill/chill.htm If you can't annoy somebody with what you write, I think there's little point in writing. ~ Kingsley Amis _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Fwd: Chromagrion mating - photos needed From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson AT comcast.net> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 10:53:21 -0700 Nick Donnelly is having trouble posting to Odonata-l, so he asked me to send this for him. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Nick and Ailsa Donnelly" > Date: May 29, 2008 6:46:11 PM PDT > To: Cc: > Subject: Chromagrion mating - photos needed > > Perhaps the strangest tandem apparatus I have found in North American > damselflies appears to be that of the Aurora Damsel - Chromagrion > conditum. > We need close-up photos of tandem pairs to figure out how the > various pieces > fit together. I am preparing illustrations for an Argia article, > but the > article might not appear until the mating season is over for this > year, and > I am hoping that one of the many keen photographers can get some > images > before that. > > The male terminal appendages are not obviously odd, until one > notices that > the inferiors (paraproct) have spoon-like dorsal scoops in the > distal half. > The superiors (cerci) have a subbasal flattened spine with a strong > hook at > the end. This seems to have no equivalent in North American > damselflies. I > am concerned with where these hooks might engage the female > prothorax. (The > mesostigmal laminae are rather ordinary and do not seem to present an > opportunity for these hooks.) > > The female prothorax is the most modified I have seen in North > American > damselflies. The hind lobe is large and bent so far forward that > one does > not immediately recognize it for what it is. It has prominent > dorsal knobs > that seem dimensionally suitable to engage the scoops of the male > paraprocts. > > But what of the hooked accessory inner sub-basal spine of the male > cerci? > These fit somewhere, but where? I am guessing on the female > prothoracic > hind lobe, but it is difficult to see at this time what the tandem > mechanism > might be. > > So, if you are into ultra close-up photos (and I know that some of > you are), > and you are in the northeastern part of the US, please try to > photograph > tandem pairs of this species! _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: mercury in dragonflies From: John Hudson <jhudson AT gci.net> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:45:08 -0800 Does anyone out there know of studies which have examined mercury levels in Odonata?Alaska, being downwind of China, experiences high levels of mercury fallout. This mercury is methylated in our abundant wetlands and biomagnifies. I would like to measure mercury levels in odonata and perhaps compare individuals from habitats with varying capacities to methylate mercury. John Hudson Juneau, AK_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: FW: a young scientist from Vietnam From: "Keith Wilson" <kdpwilson AT googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:45:49 +0400 A useful title for Vietnamese odonata is :- Do Manh Cuong & Dang Thi Thanh Hoa, 2006. Checklist of Dragonflies from Vietnam. Vietnam National University Publisher, Hanoi, Vietnam.182 pp. The book is more than just a checklist with many photos and notes. Regards Keith_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: FW: a young scientist from Vietnam From: June Tveekrem <damselfly AT southernspreadwing.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 07:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Toan, The Asia Dragonfly web site has information about odonata in several countries. It also has links to a few books and articles. http://www.asia-dragonfly.net/ June -- June Tveekrem Columbia, Maryland, U.S. damselfly|AT|southernspreadwing.com http://SouthernSpreadwing.com v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } From: toan phan [mailto:toan_vnmn AT yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:07 PM To: iodonata AT bellsouth.net Subject: a young scientist from Vietnam Dear Mr. and Mrs. Firstly, I would like to introduce myself. My name Phan Quoc Toan, working at Department of Biology in Vietnam National Museum of Nature, belong to Vietnamese Academy of Science and Technology. I am curatoring of Entomology for my office, and I am interested in Order Odonata, too. In now, I collected some Odonata speciments (about 200 speciments) in the fied but I have no its indentification documents and informations. So I will be happy if you could share with me some documents. I am loking for hearing from you. Best regards, Toan, Phan Quoc Toan Department of Biology Vietnam National Museum of Nature Vietnamese Academy of Science and Technology 18 Hoang Quoc Viet str., Cau Giay, Ha Noi Mobile: (84) 988 311 721 Office: (84) 4 216 5677 Fax : (84) 4 756 8328 Email: toan_vnmn AT yahoo.com quoctoan84_dhkhtn AT yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: FW: a young scientist from Vietnam From: "Intl Odonata Research Inst" <iodonata AT bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:01:59 -0400 Group: See if anyone can recommend the best title for this person. Please reply directly to Phan Toan Thanks. Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net _____ From: toan phan [mailto:toan_vnmn AT yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 8:07 PM To: iodonata AT bellsouth.net Subject: a young scientist from Vietnam Dear Mr. and Mrs. Firstly, I would like to introduce myself. My name Phan Quoc Toan, working at Department of Biology in Vietnam National Museum of Nature, belong to Vietnamese Academy of Science and Technology. I am curatoring of Entomology for my office, and I am interested in Order Odonata, too. In now, I collected some Odonata speciments (about 200 speciments) in the fied but I have no its indentification documents and informations. So I will be happy if you could share with me some documents. I am loking for hearing from you. Best regards, Toan, Phan Quoc Toan Department of Biology Vietnam National Museum of Nature Vietnamese Academy of Science and Technology 18 Hoang Quoc Viet str., Cau Giay, Ha Noi Mobile: (84) 988 311 721 Office: (84) 4 216 5677 Fax : (84) 4 756 8328 Email: toan_vnmn AT yahoo.com quoctoan84_dhkhtn AT yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: FW: scanners From: DAllanFItc AT aol.com Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 11:01:06 EDT Cut the pin in half or use a thicker block, i.e. a sheet **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: FW: scanners From: Azurebluet AT aol.com Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 01:27:29 EDT This might not be much help but I have an Epson Perfection 3490 Photo scanner which I use with Powerbook laptop running 10.3.9. I purchased it in early 2006 and like all modern electronics it was quickly discontinued and replaced by a newer model. The main reason I chose this scanner was its portability since I've been traveling a good deal to collect dragonflies. It also retailed below $100. I'm sure there are better scanners available. I would guess a full size scanner with a brighter scan element may provide better depth of field but I have not tested any recently. Here's a resized scan: http://homepage.mac.com/edlam/dragonimages/P_superbus.html Here's a crop of a scan at 1400dpi where you can see the limits of the depth of field: http://homepage.mac.com/edlam/temp/C_adnexaMtop.jpg And a crop of the same specimen lateral: http://homepage.mac.com/edlam/temp/C_adnexaMside.jpg I'd be interested in what you decide on as I will probably need to replace this scanner eventually. Best wishes, Ed Lam Ed Lam Eastchester, NY ************** Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: FW: scanners From: Joe McMahon <jmcmahon1 AT roadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 22:28:25 -0400 I've made some excellent scans of both Odonata and Lepidoptera with my scanner. I had pinned specimens and pinned then upside down using styrofoam blocks to keel the head of the pin off the glass. Unpinned Odonata could be laid flat on the glass, but the legs could not be shown. I have often thought that if a fine hole could be drilled in the glass, the pin could slide into the hole and the legs and wings might both be in focus. Just a thought. Joe McMahon Joe McMahon THE ROADSIDE NATURALIST Chillicothe, OH "There are no useless threads in the fabric of the ecosystem." Carl Sagan _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: FW: scanners From: Kathy &/or Dave Biggs <bigsnest AT sonic.net> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 18:52:46 -0800 Terry, Although my Pixma MP150 can not to scans my old HP ScanJet 5370C does wonderful scans. See http://southwestdragonflies.net/caphotos/BRIMSTONE.html Best of luck! Kathy Biggs -- California Dragonflies http://www.sonic.net/dragonfly Southwest Dragonflies http://southwestdragonflies.net/ Bigsnest Wildlife Pond http://www.bigsnestpond.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Kathy and Dave Biggs bigsnest AT sonic.net 707-823-2911 308 Bloomfield Rd. Sebastopol, CA 95472 ----------------------------------------------------------------- dba Azalea Creek Publishing azalea AT sonic.net fax: 707-823-2911 http://www.sonic.net/~bigsnest/azaleacreekpublishing/ ----------------------------------------------------------------- Terry Collins wrote: >iodonata AT bellsouth.net wrote: > > > >>Do you have any information on modern flatbed scanners that provide >>enough depth of field to get both the wings and legs of odonates in >>focus? I use Mac 10.5 and of course scanning software would depend on >>the scanner. >> >> _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: FW: scanners From: Terry Collins <terryc AT woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 11:10:08 +1000 iodonata AT bellsouth.net wrote: > Do you have any information on modern flatbed scanners that provide > enough depth of field to get both the wings and legs of odonates in > focus? I use Mac 10.5 and of course scanning software would depend on > the scanner. my 2c is "None" as they have no focus/lens Have you tried a camera (webcam or cmos) or better yet, a digital camera that you can download from. That way uou can take images for all angles. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}}}} Email: terryc200710 - at - woa.com.au Web: http://www.woa.com.au/terryc Bicycles, Bushwalking, GIS, Appropriate Technology, Natural Environment, Welding _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: FW: scanners From: <iodonata AT bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:36:59 -0400 Please if any one can help Reply to dickandsharon AT gilanet.com Thanks. Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net -----Original Message----- From: Richard Nelson [mailto:dickandsharon AT gilanet.com] Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:34 PM To: iodonata AT bellsouth.net Subject: scanners Do you have any information on modern flatbed scanners that provide enough depth of field to get both the wings and legs of odonates in focus? I use Mac 10.5 and of course scanning software would depend on the scanner. Dick Nelson _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Emergence timing From: "John Payne" <jcpayne AT u.washington.edu> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:33:46 -0700 I trapped emerging dragonflies with over-water screen traps in 30 eastern Washington lakes over 3 years and saw a huge amount of natural variation in emergence timing from lake to lake and year to year. I didn't have every lake/year combination, but many of the lakes were trapped in all 3 years, and overall it was one of the largest such field surveys of emergence I know about. John John Payne, Ph.D. Staff Scientist and US Coordinator Pacific Ocean Shelf Tracking Project (POST) www.postcoml.org _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: FW: Exuviae of Neurothemis tullia From: <iodonata AT bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:01:00 -0400 See if anyone can help this guy out! Please reply directly to him at tonynip AT asiaecol.com.hk thanks. Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net _____ From: Tony Nip [mailto: Tony Nip] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:25 PM To: iodonata AT bellsouth.net Subject: Exuviae of Neurothemis tullia Dear Sir/ Madam, I would like to identify the exuviae of Neurothemis tullia, is there any photo or key available, please? Thank you! Regards, Tony Nip _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Reference to Selys material last page From: "Intl Odonata Research Inst" <iodonata AT bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:32:19 -0400 Richard (and group is anyone else is interested) Here is page 10 (of 10) Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net -----Original Message----- From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Rowe Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:01 PM To: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu Subject: [Odonata-l] Reference to Selys material If anyone could provide me with a copy of Cowley, J. 1937. The pagination of the reprints of the Selysian monographs and synopses of Odonata. J. Soc. Bibliog. Nat. Hist. 1: 73-81. I would be very grateful. I am trying to reconcile the titles and pagination of the various Selys separates and journal articles ... If he had been less prolific this would have been easy, Richard -- Dr Richard Rowe Zoology & Tropical Ecology School of Marine & Tropical Biology James Cook University Townsville 4811 AUSTRALIA ph +61 7 47 81 4851 fax +61 7 47 25 1570 JCU has CRICOS Provider Code 00117J _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Reference to Selys material 3rd set of pages From: "Intl Odonata Research Inst" <iodonata AT bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:29:02 -0400 Richard (and group is anyone else is interested) Here are pages 7-9 (of 10) Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net -----Original Message----- From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Rowe Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:01 PM To: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu Subject: [Odonata-l] Reference to Selys material If anyone could provide me with a copy of Cowley, J. 1937. The pagination of the reprints of the Selysian monographs and synopses of Odonata. J. Soc. Bibliog. Nat. Hist. 1: 73-81. I would be very grateful. I am trying to reconcile the titles and pagination of the various Selys separates and journal articles ... If he had been less prolific this would have been easy, Richard -- Dr Richard Rowe Zoology & Tropical Ecology School of Marine & Tropical Biology James Cook University Townsville 4811 AUSTRALIA ph +61 7 47 81 4851 fax +61 7 47 25 1570 JCU has CRICOS Provider Code 00117J _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Reference to Selys material CORRECTED second set of pages From: "Intl Odonata Research Inst" <iodonata AT bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:22:24 -0400 Richard (and group is anyone else is interested) Here are the corrected pages 4-6 (of 10) Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net -----Original Message----- From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Rowe Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:01 PM To: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu Subject: [Odonata-l] Reference to Selys material If anyone could provide me with a copy of Cowley, J. 1937. The pagination of the reprints of the Selysian monographs and synopses of Odonata. J. Soc. Bibliog. Nat. Hist. 1: 73-81. I would be very grateful. I am trying to reconcile the titles and pagination of the various Selys separates and journal articles ... If he had been less prolific this would have been easy, Richard -- Dr Richard Rowe Zoology & Tropical Ecology School of Marine & Tropical Biology James Cook University Townsville 4811 AUSTRALIA ph +61 7 47 81 4851 fax +61 7 47 25 1570 JCU has CRICOS Provider Code 00117J _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Reference to Selys material second set of pages From: "Intl Odonata Research Inst" <iodonata AT bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:01:46 -0400 Richard (and group is anyone else is interested) Here are pages 4-6 (of 10) Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net -----Original Message----- From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Rowe Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:01 PM To: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu Subject: [Odonata-l] Reference to Selys material If anyone could provide me with a copy of Cowley, J. 1937. The pagination of the reprints of the Selysian monographs and synopses of Odonata. J. Soc. Bibliog. Nat. Hist. 1: 73-81. I would be very grateful. I am trying to reconcile the titles and pagination of the various Selys separates and journal articles ... If he had been less prolific this would have been easy, Richard -- Dr Richard Rowe Zoology & Tropical Ecology School of Marine & Tropical Biology James Cook University Townsville 4811 AUSTRALIA ph +61 7 47 81 4851 fax +61 7 47 25 1570 JCU has CRICOS Provider Code 00117J _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Reference to Selys material From: "Intl Odonata Research Inst" <iodonata AT bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:40:32 -0400 Richard (and group is anyone else is interested) Here is the first 3 pages (of 10) Bill Mauffray International Odonata Research Institute PO Box 147100 Gainesville FL 32614-7100 352-219-3141 cell iodonata AT bellsouth.net http://www.iodonata.net -----Original Message----- From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Rowe Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:01 PM To: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu Subject: [Odonata-l] Reference to Selys material If anyone could provide me with a copy of Cowley, J. 1937. The pagination of the reprints of the Selysian monographs and synopses of Odonata. J. Soc. Bibliog. Nat. Hist. 1: 73-81. I would be very grateful. I am trying to reconcile the titles and pagination of the various Selys separates and journal articles ... If he had been less prolific this would have been easy, Richard -- Dr Richard Rowe Zoology & Tropical Ecology School of Marine & Tropical Biology James Cook University Townsville 4811 AUSTRALIA ph +61 7 47 81 4851 fax +61 7 47 25 1570 JCU has CRICOS Provider Code 00117J _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l_______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Reference to Selys material From: Richard Rowe <richard.rowe AT jcu.edu.au> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:01:22 +1000 If anyone could provide me with a copy of Cowley, J. 1937. The pagination of the reprints of the Selysian monographs and synopses of Odonata. J. Soc. Bibliog. Nat. Hist. 1: 73-81. I would be very grateful. I am trying to reconcile the titles and pagination of the various Selys separates and journal articles ... If he had been less prolific this would have been easy, Richard -- Dr Richard Rowe Zoology & Tropical Ecology School of Marine & Tropical Biology James Cook University Townsville 4811 AUSTRALIA ph +61 7 47 81 4851 fax +61 7 47 25 1570 JCU has CRICOS Provider Code 00117J _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Re: Fliers vs Perchers database for North American species? From: "O'Brien, Mark" <mfobrien AT umich.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:49:33 -0400 Well, you said flight mode, and then talk about perching... What you are asking has more to do with reproductive behavior and feeding and less to do flight modes. The Corduliids, Macromiids and Cordulegastrids are not considered perchers, but more like "hangers" -- same as a lot of Aeshnids. If you were to see any of these groups in flight, you would see that they rarely alight except when resting and in inclement weather. Mark Mark F. O'Brien, Collections Manager Insect Division, Museum of Zoology University of Michigan (734)647-2199 -----Original Message----- From: odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu [mailto:odonata-l-bounces AT listhost.ups.edu] On Behalf Of aardila AT uoguelph.ca Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 10:10 PM To: odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu Subject: [Odonata-l] Fliers vs Perchers database for North American species? Hello everyone, I wonder if there is a database describing the flight mode of North American Odonata. I have read Zygopterans are almost all considered perchers, as well as Gomphiidae and Libellulidae, while Aeshnids are fliers. There are exceptions in libellulids such as members of Tramea. Is there a database listing exceptions? What about the flight mode for members of Cordulegastridae, Cordulidae and Macromiidae? For example: Cordulegaster maculata Cordulia shurtleffi Dorocordulia libera Didymops transversa Macromia illionensis georgina Epitheca canis Neurocordulia yamaskanensis Somatochlora williamsoni I also wonder about members of Nehalennia. They are so small and they seem to hop from leaf to leaf rather than flying... Thank you in advance for any guidance in the topic, Cheers, Alex -- Alex Ardila-Garcia MSc Candidate Genomic Diversity Lab Dept. Integrative Biology University of Guelph Guelph (On), Canada N1G 2W1 1-519-824-4120 ext.52548 http://www.genomesize.com/gregorylab/ -- _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l Subject: Fliers vs Perchers database for North American species? From: aardila AT uoguelph.ca Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:10:02 -0400 Hello everyone, I wonder if there is a database describing the flight mode of North American Odonata. I have read Zygopterans are almost all considered perchers, as well as Gomphiidae and Libellulidae, while Aeshnids are fliers. There are exceptions in libellulids such as members of Tramea. Is there a database listing exceptions? What about the flight mode for members of Cordulegastridae, Cordulidae and Macromiidae? For example: Cordulegaster maculata Cordulia shurtleffi Dorocordulia libera Didymops transversa Macromia illionensis georgina Epitheca canis Neurocordulia yamaskanensis Somatochlora williamsoni I also wonder about members of Nehalennia. They are so small and they seem to hop from leaf to leaf rather than flying... Thank you in advance for any guidance in the topic, Cheers, Alex -- Alex Ardila-Garcia MSc Candidate Genomic Diversity Lab Dept. Integrative Biology University of Guelph Guelph (On), Canada N1G 2W1 1-519-824-4120 ext.52548 http://www.genomesize.com/gregorylab/ -- _______________________________________________ Odonata-l mailing list Odonata-l AT listhost.ups.edu https://mailweb.ups.edu/mailman/listinfo/odonata-l