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I ended up cancelling my order with Amazon and ordered the Helm version 
in Holland: Got it!!  To the team that got it across the finish line: 
congratulations and a big thank you!

Willem-Pier

Hola Alexandro,

A mi parece que tu tucanito es Aulacorhynchus coeruleicintus
(Blue-banded Toucanet) porque no tiene una banda blanca al base de su
pico y tiene ojos blancos. Creo que A. huallagae (Yellow-browed
Toucanet) solo tiene ojos marrones.

Sobre el otro bicho, es un tyrannidae, no un parulidae por su
estructura. Creo que es Myiophobus flavicans (Flavescent Flycatcher)
porque no tiene "wingbars" y no conozco otro especie de bosque ceja
que parace asi. Parece que esta posando como un parulidae (mas
horizontal que vertical) problamente porque esta golpeando el insecto
que tiene en su pico.

Buenas fotos! Gracias para comportandolas.

Saludos,
Dan Lane

LSU Museum of Natural Science
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA

and 

Field Guides Tours, Inc.

--- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com, "altabpe00"  wrote:
>
> Hello,
> 
> Need some help to ID this two birds, photos taken at Bosque de 
> Pichita near San Ramon.
> 
> Pictures uploaded to 
> 
> http://www.birdingperu.com/picsfiles/photos.asp?idtipopic=1
> 
> The toucanet have some field marks from Yellow-browed as is the 
> yellow vent not present on the Blue-banded but also have some field 
> marks from this last bird as the marroon tail tips, white 
> superciliary and red rump.  Any help to ID correctly this bird would 
> be appreciated.
> 
> The other bird looks like some kind of warbler but not sure about 
> it, any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alejandro
>

Hello,

Need some help to ID this two birds, photos taken at Bosque de 
Pichita near San Ramon.

Pictures uploaded to 

http://www.birdingperu.com/picsfiles/photos.asp?idtipopic=1

The toucanet have some field marks from Yellow-browed as is the 
yellow vent not present on the Blue-banded but also have some field 
marks from this last bird as the marroon tail tips, white 
superciliary and red rump.  Any help to ID correctly this bird would 
be appreciated.

The other bird looks like some kind of warbler but not sure about 
it, any help would be appreciated.

Regards,

Alejandro

Hi all,

An e-mail in behalf of Rob Clay (Spanish bellow). Please, if you are 
interested, contact Rob ASAP. 

I have attached a zipped Excel spreadheet, but as far I remember, no attachment 
are allowed in this listserve. Gunnar, were we could make a file available to 
all Peruvian colleages? 

Abrazos from Quito,
David D�az
IBA Program Officer


Dear All,



As you may be aware, 
the next complete re-assessment of the status of the world�s birds will be 
produced (by BirdLife, as the Red List authority for birds for the IUCN) in 
2008. As part of that process, the species factsheets are being reviewed for 
all 

globally threatened species (and time permitting, for all Near Threatened 
species as well). Factsheets for CR species have already been sent to 
reviewers. 

It�s now the turn of EN and VU species. We would like help in identifying 
reviewers for each factsheet. Attached is an Excel spreadsheet listing all 
globally threatened birds in Central and South America. We would 
greatly appreciate suggestions for reviewers for any species in the list. 
Please 

feel free to nominate yourselves or others, providing an e-mail contact, and 
send suggestions directly to me (either incorporated in the spreadsheet or in 
an 

e-mail).

 

We would greatly 
appreciate hearing from you as soon as possible.

Rob
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Dear All,


BirdLife, como autoridad UICN para la lista roja de aves, est� en el proceso de 
re-evaluaci�n del estado de conservaci�n de todas las aves del mundo, la cual 


ser� publicada en 2008. Como parte del proceso, estamos buscando "revisores" 
para cada una de las fichas de las especies amenazadas (las fichas actuales se 


encuentran en la p�gina web de BirdLife, ver 
http://www.birdlife.org/datazone/species/index.html). Me gustar�a pedir su 
ayuda en la identificaci�n de revisores apropiados para cada especie (los 
individuos que mejor conocen la especie y su estado de conservaci�n). Adjunto 
un archivo Excel que incluye una lista de todas las especies amenazadas de 
Centro y 


Sudam�rica. Favor incorporar sus sugerencias en el archivo Excel, o mand�rmelas 
en el cuerpo de un e-mail. 




Todas las contribuciones ser�n acreditadas en las fichas actualizadas.

Gracias de antemano y saludos,



Rob



Rob P. Clay, Ph.D

Director de Conservaci�n / Americas Conservation Manager

Americas Secretariat / Secretariado

BirdLife International

Vicente C�rdenas E5-75 y Jap�n, 3er Piso

C.P. 

Quito, Ecuador

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Fernando
I have seen the modesta race on several occasions at Batan Grande also at 
Quebrada Limon, so did Paul Coopmans pers.com. I also beleieve Huw Lloyd has 
seen the species here but I'm not sure if anyon ehas nay dosumnetation - I 
don't 


best wishes
Barry
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www.Birding-In-Peru.com
www.ManuWildlifeCenter.com

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fernando Angulo Pratolongo 
  To: 'Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com' ; TomSchulenberg ; Dan Lane 
  Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:40 AM
  Subject: [Birdingperu] White-crested Elaenia at Pomac



  Dear Friends,

 I am compiling the birdlist for the Santuario Historico Bosque de Pomac (also 
known as Batan Grande, a Mezquite forest on Lambayeque) and I have a doubt 
about White-crested Elaenia there. Is there any report (documented would be 
great) of the occurence of this species there? I haven't found it on recent 
surveys, buy maybe you have any data to share? 


  Also any other remarkable sightings for the area are welcome.

  Best regard,

  fap 



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Dear Friends,
   
 I am compiling the birdlist for the Santuario Historico Bosque de Pomac (also 
known as Batan Grande, a Mezquite forest on Lambayeque) and I have a doubt 
about White-crested Elaenia there. Is there any report (documented would be 
great) of the occurence of this species there? I haven't found it on recent 
surveys, buy maybe you have any data to share? 

   
  Also any other remarkable sightings for the area are welcome.
   
  Best regard,
   
  fap 



Fernando Angulo Pratolongo
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Picture were taken at Oxapampa and would like some help on the ID of 
the two birds loaded into the Photo ID section.

One is possibly a Thick-billed Euphonia but the olive colored back and 
other field marks does not fit the male nor the female. Maybe a 
Immature????

The other bird I am thinking of a Elaenia but not sure about it nor 
the specie in case it is an Elaenia.

Hope someone can help with the ID

Regards,

Alejandro Tabini

Dear all
   
 We are working fully with Peru Bird Data Base which is to be integrated in 
BirdLife Internationals WorldBirds framwork.... 

   
 Currently, we have translated parts of the data base to Spanish with help from 
some Peruvian volunteers (but we need more volunteers to insert Spanish bird 
names into the database - let me know if you have time!) and as you may have 
seen in the pics and files section -we are trying to get the pictures to become 
records also in the database as well as uploaded at the right species. 

   
  More important though are your data... 
   
 It is really useful in any of you could insert your sightings of recent trips 
into the database. It is quite easy. 

   
  1st Sign up (little text on upper right)
    on 
  http://www.birdingperu.com/masterperu/default.asp
   
 Then wait for my approval.... you may want to send me a mail also to 
kolibriexp AT gmail.com that you wait for the approval, since the automatic 
confirmation e-mail comes to a different e-mail account. 

   
 When your approved start inserting your records. It is enough if one of you 
uploads the records. Just mention the others as co-observers, Co-observers can 
credit their observations by clicking on "my tripreports" and then "join to 
others trip reports" (strange English by the web-master - got to change 
this!!). 

 Best to insert the records in the "My trip reports section" and make a new 
trip report. 

 After filling in the Name of the report (mention all the birding areas and the 
dates and year in the title so it is easy to find), co-participants and some 
highlights, there will be two ways of inserting the records in the "Species 
List" section. 

   
 By birding site chronologically - this is if you want to write down the 
observation as it appears in your note-book. 

  or
 Systematically....which more or less simulates your daily checklist. (Doing it 
this way you need to specify all the sites you visited before you start 
inserting the records), then you choose the day visited the sight and finally 
you select the species. 

   
 There are several reasons why it is better to insert the data chronologically. 

 1st it is easier as each site will mention only the species recorded 
previously from that site...therefore it is a fast way of doing it. 

 2ndly it is of more statistical value since it gives the observation time at 
the site.. 

   
 At least for now...we plan to be able to insert also time span as well as 
giving only the possible trip list for the systematic version....but we are not 
there yet. 

   
 If you stumble across awkwardness or problems in the system, let us know so we 
can address such items. The idea is that the system shall be user friendly. 

   
  Gunnar
   
   
  Saludos
   
  Gunnar
   



Gunnar Engblom-Lima, Peru.
Kolibri Expeditions http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com 
www.birding-peru.com Peru Birdwatching Portal . Checklists, pics & site info, 
etc. 

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I just ordered one from Barnes & Noble & they list the shipping date 
as 28 October. The "Member's" price is US $34...

Mark


>Amazon (Canada) has not sent any notification about a delay. I have
>ordered a couple of books together, so that may result in some delay.
>
>The price is $30.95 Canadian and remember the USD is worth less that the CD.
>
>Michael Richardson
>
>>
>>  "We missed the date that Amazon had announced on their website -- October
>>  8
>>  - so they've sent automatic messages to all customers saying essentially
>>  they don't know when they'll have books. Since we released the book
>>  yesterday, Amazon will probably have the book in stock next week sometime.
>>  Thomas S. Schulenberg
>
>


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Seattle, WA
USA
mailto:m.egger AT comcast.net

Amazon (Canada) has not sent any notification about a delay.  I have
ordered a couple of books together, so that may result in some delay.

The price is $30.95 Canadian and remember the USD is worth less that the CD.

Michael Richardson

>
> "We missed the date that Amazon had announced on their website -- October
> 8
> - so they've sent automatic messages to all customers saying essentially
> they don't know when they'll have books. Since we released the book
> yesterday, Amazon will probably have the book in stock next week sometime.
> Thomas S. Schulenberg

In a message dated 10/16/07 9:38:57 AM, tmischler AT aleman.k12.ec writes:


> 
> Dear John O�Neill,
> 
>  Where can I order the Birds of Peru guide in Where ? May be sent sooner 
> than from Amazon.com.
>  Thanks for answering in advance.
>  Tino Mischler, Tino Misc
> 

Tino - I am sending this to my friend Robin Restall in Venezuela - he has 
ordered the European edition and can likely provide the ordering address - Good 

luck! - John (Robin - go ahead and send to Birdin-Peru as well as to Tino)



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Here is what I was told this morning by Princeton University Press regarding
the availability of Birds of Peru:

"There was a printing problem with a batch of the total run--press slippage
which resulted in some fuzzy pages. Since [this was] discovered... in the
advance copies, we held the books up at the European port and sent them back
to the Italian printer to sort out the bad lot. This all took some time so
books only arrived in our warehouse October 10th. The warehouse needs a
little time to process but I'm guessing orders to stores have gone out
recently."

   and

"We missed the date that Amazon had announced on their website -- October 8
- so they've sent automatic messages to all customers saying essentially
they don't know when they'll have books. Since we released the book
yesterday, Amazon will probably have the book in stock next week sometime.
...As you know, birders know about these books far in advance and they want
to be the first on their blocks to get them when ready. They're the kinds of
customers who will be enraged to receive a notice from Amazon that the book
won't be coming for another month."

The authors have nothing to do with the distribution of the book, and don't
know much more about it than do the rest of you. But I interpret these
messages from Princeton University Press to mean that dire warnings from
Amazon.com may be exaggerated, that the press is aware of distribution
"issues", and is doing what it can to resolve them. Stay tuned.

The US edition is available only in hard cover (ca 1.36 kg). The British
edition (Helm) is available only in soft cover (ca 1.2 kg), and is being
distributed already. On the other hand, the British edition seems to cost
quite a bit more than the US version (at least if one pays in dollars), so
it might be worth waiting a bit to see if the Amazon.com situation sorts
itself out sooner rather than later.


tss

Thomas S. Schulenberg
Field Museum of Natural History 1400 S. Lake Shore Drive
Chicago  IL   60605

voice:  
fax:    ,
email:   tschulenberg AT fieldmuseum.org

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Hi,

Try this:
http://www.nhbs.com

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On ., at 16:38, Tino Mischler wrote:


Dear John O�Neill,



Where can I order the Birds of Peru guide in Europe? May be sent  
sooner than from Amazon.com.

Thanks for answering in advance.

Tino Mischler, Guayaquil



De: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com]  
En nombre de PARDUSCO AT aol.com
Enviado el: lunes, 15 de octubre de 2007 20:31
Para: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com
Asunto: {Disarmed} Re: [Birdingperu] Amazilia Hummingbird in Lima- 
which subspecies?



Gunnar - I suspect that the winter light and angles are showing the
bluish breast color - try looking at Amazilias in Lima on a sunny day.
There also may be gene flow from the next population south and thus
some bluer-breasted birds. The tail of dummerilii should be mostly
green. - The new book (in English) is available from Princeton Univ.
Press, but for some odd reason Amazon.Com says they will be delayed
until December - not sure what is going on. Europen edition is also
apparently out - John O

-----Original Message-----
From: Gunnar Engblom 
To: birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:18: (CDT)
Subject: [Birdingperu] Amazilia Hummingbird in Lima-which subspecies?

Hi all   Have been to Pucusana a couple of times
recently and found some really nice blue-throated Amazilias. A bit
surprised to find this sub-species here, so started crawl the web. I
have looked through some Amazilia Hummingbirds pics on
www.avesdelima.com and www.birdingperu.com (check out the new search
function that takes you straight to the photos of each species) from
Lima department and all show blue throated caeruleigularis race that is
supposed to be endemic to Nazca department according to HBW.  Also
googled and cannot find any photos of green-throated amazilia race.
What is going on here? Or is Amazilia amazilia amazilia also somewhat
blue-throated? Would like to see photos of either good ssp amazilia
(with green throat) or proper caeruleigularis from Nazca to see if
these differ any from the Amazilias that we see in Lima department.
Please upload your Nazca and Lima pics to www.birdingperu.com   Also
looking at the paintings in HBW, the race dumerilii is painted with red
tail and in Ridgely with green tail. I suppose it is the latter that is
correct.  I wonder if it is not the race leucophaea of Northern Peru
that is depicted in HBW.

Gunnar Engblom-Lima, Peru.
Kolibri Expeditions http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com
www.birding-peru.com Peru Birdwatching Portal . Checklists, pics & site
info, etc.
www.birdingperu.blogspot.com - Blog - updated frequently.
Tel: . Cell:  or  (telefonica) or
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Dear John O�Neill,

 

Where can I order the Birds of Peru guide in Europe? May be sent sooner than
from Amazon.com.

Thanks for answering in advance.

Tino Mischler, Guayaquil

 

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De: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com] En
nombre de PARDUSCO AT aol.com
Enviado el: lunes, 15 de octubre de 2007 20:31
Para: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com
Asunto: {Disarmed} Re: [Birdingperu] Amazilia Hummingbird in Lima-which
subspecies?

 

Gunnar - I suspect that the winter light and angles are showing the 
bluish breast color - try looking at Amazilias in Lima on a sunny day. 
There also may be gene flow from the next population south and thus 
some bluer-breasted birds. The tail of dummerilii should be mostly 
green. - The new book (in English) is available from Princeton Univ. 
Press, but for some odd reason Amazon.Com says they will be delayed 
until December - not sure what is going on. Europen edition is also 
apparently out - John O

-----Original Message-----
From: Gunnar Engblom  yahoo.com>
To: birdingperu AT   yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:18: (CDT)
Subject: [Birdingperu] Amazilia Hummingbird in Lima-which subspecies?

Hi all   Have been to Pucusana a couple of times 
recently and found some really nice blue-throated Amazilias. A bit 
surprised to find this sub-species here, so started crawl the web. I 
have looked through some Amazilia Hummingbirds pics on 
www.avesdelima.com and www.birdingperu.com (check out the new search 
function that takes you straight to the photos of each species) from 
Lima department and all show blue throated caeruleigularis race that is 
supposed to be endemic to Nazca department according to HBW.  Also 
googled and cannot find any photos of green-throated amazilia race. 
What is going on here? Or is Amazilia amazilia amazilia also somewhat 
blue-throated? Would like to see photos of either good ssp amazilia 
(with green throat) or proper caeruleigularis from Nazca to see if
these differ any from the Amazilias that we see in Lima department. 
Please upload your Nazca and Lima pics to www.birdingperu.com   Also 
looking at the paintings in HBW, the race dumerilii is painted with red 
tail and in Ridgely with green tail. I suppose it is the latter that is 
correct.  I wonder if it is not the race leucophaea of Northern Peru 
that is depicted in HBW.      

Gunnar Engblom-Lima, Peru.
Kolibri Expeditions http://www.kolibrie 
xpeditions.com
www.birding-peru.com Peru Birdwatching Portal . Checklists, pics & site 
info, etc.
www.birdingperu.blogspot.com - Blog - updated frequently.
Tel: . Cell:  or  (telefonica) or 
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Dear All

The Neotropical Bird Club recently published the second issue of its
birding magazine "Neotropical Birding". Copies have been sent to Club
members - and I know a few members of this form have now received
them.

Neotropical Birding fills a vacant niche among bird magazines and
journals, publishing articles of practical use for those birding in
the Caribbean, South and Central America. Running to 88 pages (half in
colour), Neotropical Birding 2 comprises:
� Features on amazing rediscoveries of birds in the Neotropics, the
Important Bird Areas of Panama, and the stakeholder-based work of the
South American Classification Committee;
� Identification workshops on Streptoprocne swifts and wingbar
variation in Tyrannidae tyrant-flycatchers;
� Pieces on cutting edge work in Bolivia and on Harpy Eagles;
� Six articles on top birding sites in Ecuador, Chile, Peru, and Guyana; and
� Two photospots on charismatic or poorly-known South American birds.

The issue has received much praise (with comments received such as
"wonderful, amazing, perfect, excellent",  "stunning pictures",
"greatly impressed", "fantastic... the content, text and photos are
top notch, a superb resource", "espectacular" and "wow... absolutely
mega"!). If you haven't seen it yet, the front cover and two sample
articles are on the Club's website at www.neotropicalbirdclub.org

We are now seeking to commission articles for future issues of
Neotropical Birding. If you:
- have an idea for a feature on Neotropical birds;
- want to share your experiences of birding at the 'cutting edge';
- fancy telling birders about great birding sites;
- would like to push back the frontiers of bird identification; or
- want to showcase high quality colour photos of rarer birds

please discuss your idea with the editor, James Lowen, at


Feel free to post this email on other relevant fora or forward to your
friends. The more article ideas, the better the magazine will be!

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Gunnar - I suspect that the winter light and angles are showing the 
bluish breast color - try looking at Amazilias in Lima on a sunny day.  
There also may be gene flow from the next population south and thus 
some bluer-breasted birds.  The tail of dummerilii should be mostly 
green. -  The new book (in English) is available from Princeton Univ. 
Press, but for some odd reason Amazon.Com says they will be delayed 
until December - not sure what is going on. Europen edition is also 
apparently out - John O


-----Original Message-----
From: Gunnar Engblom 
To: birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:18: (CDT)
Subject: [Birdingperu] Amazilia Hummingbird in Lima-which subspecies?























             Hi all      Have been to Pucusana a couple of times 
recently and found some really nice blue-throated Amazilias. A bit 
surprised to find this sub-species here, so started crawl the web. I 
have looked through some Amazilia Hummingbirds pics on 
www.avesdelima.com and www.birdingperu.com (check out the new search 
function that takes you straight to the photos of each species) from 
Lima department and all show blue throated caeruleigularis race that is 
supposed to be endemic to Nazca department according to HBW.  Also 
googled and cannot find any photos of green-throated amazilia race.   
What is going on here? Or is Amazilia amazilia amazilia also somewhat 
blue-throated?  Would like to see photos of either good ssp amazilia 
(with green throat) or proper caeruleigularis from Nazca to see if
  these differ any from the Amazilias that we see in Lima department. 
Please upload your Nazca and Lima pics to www.birdingperu.com      Also 
looking at the paintings in HBW, the race dumerilii is painted with red 
tail and in Ridgely with green tail. I suppose it is the latter that is 
correct.  I wonder if it is not the race leucophaea of Northern Peru 
that is depicted in HBW.         

Gunnar Engblom-Lima, Peru.
Kolibri Expeditions http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com
www.birding-peru.com Peru Birdwatching Portal . Checklists, pics & site 
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Hi all 
   
 Have been to Pucusana a couple of times recently and found some really nice 
blue-throated Amazilias. A bit surprised to find this sub-species here, so 
started crawl the web. I have looked through some Amazilia Hummingbirds pics on 
www.avesdelima.com and www.birdingperu.com (check out the new search function 
that takes you straight to the photos of each species) from Lima department and 
all show blue throated caeruleigularis race that is supposed to be endemic to 
Nazca department according to HBW. Also googled and cannot find any photos of 
green-throated amazilia race. 

 What is going on here? Or is Amazilia amazilia amazilia also somewhat 
blue-throated? 

 Would like to see photos of either good ssp amazilia (with green throat) or 
proper caeruleigularis from Nazca to see if these differ any from the Amazilias 
that we see in Lima department. Please upload your Nazca and Lima pics to 
www.birdingperu.com 

   
 Also looking at the paintings in HBW, the race dumerilii is painted with red 
tail and in Ridgely with green tail. I suppose it is the latter that is 
correct. I wonder if it is not the race leucophaea of Northern Peru that is 
depicted in HBW. 

   
   
   


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Gunnar - Ruudy turnstone is a rare vagrant to Manu - several records but I 
would guess that the Snowy Plover is pretty much for sure to be an immature 
Collared Plover - they are very pale 

Barry


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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gunnar Engblom 
  To: birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:18 PM
  Subject: [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's photos





 More bizare ones on Alex last Manu trip with good Canadian birders to back the 
record. 


  Snowy Plover and Ruddy Turnstone!!!

  Gunnar

   
  On 10/13/07, Barry Walker  wrote: 

    Shipitiari - Thanks what a bizarre record 
    thanks
    Barry


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      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Gunnar Engblom 
      To: birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:16 PM
      Subject: [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's photos

       

      Barry

      Just talked to Alex. 
 Seen from the river below Itahuania and berfore Boca Manu. This was in 
September. Alex said the name of the place, but cannot remember exactly 
...something like "shimpkiari".... 


 Alex would not mistake himself on this species. In fact he was with me seeing 
it at Laguna Oconal. 


      Maybe the client has some pics!!

      Gunnar

       
      On 10/13/07, Barry Walker  wrote: 

 Dear Alex and Gunnar - I am interested in details of Crested Duck in Manu - 
can you send further details 

        Thanks
        Barry Walker


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        www.ManuExpeditions.com
        www.Birding-In-Peru.com
        www.ManuWildlifeCenter.com

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          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Gunnar Engblom 
          To: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
          Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's photos 


           

          Juan Jose and Dan

 We also had Crested Duck at Laguna Oconal in June this year. Furthermore, Alex 
Durand mentioned seeing Crested Duck somewhere in Manu this year!! 

          I'll let you know when I talk to Alex...later today.

          Gunnar

           
          On 10/12/07, Daniel Lane  wrote: 
            Hola Juan,

            From your photos, I'd say your "antpitta" is a Buff-throated
 Foliage-gleaner (Automolus ochrolaemus) without a tail! I am curious 

            to know about the circumstances of the Crested Duck at 1450m... I 
 suppose you didn't take any photos of it, did you? As you say, that is 

            a surprisingly low elevation for the bird! Interesting.

 Now to add my two cents to the ID of Javir Colmenares' photos: I agree 

            with most of the identifications already posted, but to me
            DSC_1359.JPG (Llanganuco Tyrant) is a Rufous-webbed Tyrant
 (Polioxolmis rufipennis), and DSC_0219.JPG (Mancora Dry Forest, Piura) 

            is Yellow-olive Flycatcher (Tolmomyias sulphurescens). 

            Saludos,
            Dan Lane

            LSU Museum of Natural Science
            Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA

 --- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com, Juan Chalco  wrote: 

            >
 > Just upload 4 photos of a Antpitta, but which one?. The photos was 

 taken on the 30th of September 2002, 11:14 hours, 1500 m, at the P.N. 

            Yanachaga Chemillen, Pasco.
            > Any help with the ID will be appreciated very much,
            > Beside that, We, Alejandro Tabini and Juan Liziola, saw a Crested
 Duck Anas specularoides at Laguna Oconal, Villa Rica, Pasco. Laguna 

            Oconal is at 1450m!!, this is well below its normal altitude range
            ( Clements-Shany)
            > Regards,
            > 
            > Juan Chalco
            > Kolibri Expeditions 
            > 
            > 
            > --------------------------------- 
            > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
            web links.
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It gives me great pleasure to invite you to my first Birds of the Americas 
exhibit, an exhibit that will run though November 30, 2007. The Boston Nature 
Center is hosting a Wine/Seltzer & Cheese reception on opening day, Saturday 
October 20th, from 2 PM to 4 PM. 


The exhibit will include 30 images I have taken in coastal, Andean, and rain 
forest sections of Peru and 20 images taken in New England. Two of my 
kayak-based Western Reef Heron close ups from September 2006 will front the New 
England section of the exhibit. 


For those of you not near the New England area, I am including a link to the 
images in the exhibit. 


Hope to see you there!

Invitation.
http://www.delsolar.org:82/nature/boa07/index.htm

Bird of the Americas Images
http://www.delsolar.org:82/nature/Birds%20of%20the%20Americas/album/index.html

Directions and Program Description.

http://www.massaudubon.org/Nature_Connection/catalog.php?code=621-BN07FA1&sancName=Boston%20Nature%20Center&getresults=long 



Eduardo del Solar
Boston, Mass.
delsolar AT bellatlantic.net

Gunnar and all,

I hate to be a little skeptical, but I know that one October several
years ago I saw what I thought was a Snowy Plover on the Rio Madre de
Dios. After turning the bend of the river and losing sight of the
bird, I was pretty sure it had to be a Snowy... until I saw another
accompanied by an adult Collared Plover. Juvenile Collared Plovers
look an awful lot like Snowy Plovers, so without extensive
documentation, I would be inclined not to accept such a record.
Sooo... any photos or recordings?

Good birding,
Dan Lane

LSU Museum of Natural Science
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA

--- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Engblom" 
wrote:
>
> More bizare ones on Alex last Manu trip with good Canadian birders
to back the record.
> 
> Snowy Plover and Ruddy Turnstone!!!
> 
> Gunnar
> 

More bizare ones on Alex last Manu trip with good Canadian birders to back
the record.

Snowy Plover and Ruddy Turnstone!!!

Gunnar


On 10/13/07, Barry Walker  wrote:
>
>    *Shipitiari - Thanks what a bizarre record *
> *thanks*
> *Barry*
>
>
> ********************************************
> Manu Expeditions
>
> www.ManuExpeditions.com 
> www.Birding-In-Peru.com 
> www.ManuWildlifeCenter.com 
>
> ***********************************************
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gunnar Engblom 
>  *To:* birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:16 PM
> *Subject:* [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's photos
>
>
>
>  Barry
>
> Just talked to Alex.
> Seen from the river below Itahuania and berfore Boca Manu. This was in
> September. Alex said the name of the place, but cannot remember exactly
> ...something like "shimpkiari"....
>
> Alex would not mistake himself on this species. In fact he was with me
> seeing it at Laguna Oconal.
>
> Maybe the client has some pics!!
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>  On 10/13/07, Barry Walker  wrote:
> >
> >    *Dear Alex and Gunnar - I am interested in details of Crested Duck in
> > Manu - can you send further details*
> > *Thanks*
> > *Barry Walker*
> >
> >
> > ********************************************
> > Manu Expeditions
> >
> > www.ManuExpeditions.com 
> > www.Birding-In-Peru.com 
> > www.ManuWildlifeCenter.com 
> >
> > ***********************************************
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Gunnar Engblom 
> > *To:* Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 12, 2007 11:19 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's
> > photos
> >
> >
> >
> >  Juan Jose and Dan
> >
> > We also had Crested Duck at Laguna Oconal in June this year.
> > Furthermore, Alex Durand mentioned seeing Crested Duck somewhere in Manu
> > this year!!
> > I'll let you know when I talk to Alex...later today.
> >
> > Gunnar
> >
> >
> > On 10/12/07, Daniel Lane  wrote:
> > >
> > >   Hola Juan,
> > >
> > > From your photos, I'd say your "antpitta" is a Buff-throated
> > > Foliage-gleaner (Automolus ochrolaemus) without a tail! I am curious
> > > to know about the circumstances of the Crested Duck at 1450m... I
> > > suppose you didn't take any photos of it, did you? As you say, that is
> > > a surprisingly low elevation for the bird! Interesting.
> > >
> > > Now to add my two cents to the ID of Javir Colmenares' photos: I agree
> > > with most of the identifications already posted, but to me
> > > DSC_1359.JPG (Llanganuco Tyrant) is a Rufous-webbed Tyrant
> > > (Polioxolmis rufipennis), and DSC_0219.JPG (Mancora Dry Forest, Piura)
> > > is Yellow-olive Flycatcher (Tolmomyias sulphurescens).
> > >
> > > Saludos,
> > > Dan Lane
> > >
> > > LSU Museum of Natural Science
> > > Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
> > >
> > > --- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com ,
> > > Juan Chalco  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just upload 4 photos of a Antpitta, but which one?. The photos was
> > > taken on the 30th of September 2002, 11:14 hours, 1500 m, at the P.N.
> > > Yanachaga Chemillen, Pasco.
> > > > Any help with the ID will be appreciated very much,
> > > > Beside that, We, Alejandro Tabini and Juan Liziola, saw a Crested
> > > Duck Anas specularoides at Laguna Oconal, Villa Rica, Pasco. Laguna
> > > Oconal is at 1450m!!, this is well below its normal altitude range
> > > ( Clements-Shany)
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Juan Chalco
> > > > Kolibri Expeditions
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
> > > web links.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Kolibri Expeditions
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> > on-line, forum, pictures, identification, Expedition Birding, etc.
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Shipitiari - Thanks what a bizarre record 
thanks
Barry


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www.Birding-In-Peru.com
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gunnar Engblom 
  To: birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 1:16 PM
  Subject: [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's photos



  Barry

  Just talked to Alex. 
 Seen from the river below Itahuania and berfore Boca Manu. This was in 
September. Alex said the name of the place, but cannot remember exactly 
...something like "shimpkiari".... 


 Alex would not mistake himself on this species. In fact he was with me seeing 
it at Laguna Oconal. 


  Maybe the client has some pics!!

  Gunnar

   
  On 10/13/07, Barry Walker  wrote: 

 Dear Alex and Gunnar - I am interested in details of Crested Duck in Manu - 
can you send further details 

    Thanks
    Barry Walker


    ********************************************
    Manu Expeditions

    www.ManuExpeditions.com
    www.Birding-In-Peru.com
    www.ManuWildlifeCenter.com

    ***********************************************
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Gunnar Engblom 
      To: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:19 AM
      Subject: Re: [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's photos

       

      Juan Jose and Dan

 We also had Crested Duck at Laguna Oconal in June this year. Furthermore, Alex 
Durand mentioned seeing Crested Duck somewhere in Manu this year!! 

      I'll let you know when I talk to Alex...later today.

      Gunnar

       
      On 10/12/07, Daniel Lane  wrote: 
        Hola Juan,

        From your photos, I'd say your "antpitta" is a Buff-throated
        Foliage-gleaner (Automolus ochrolaemus) without a tail! I am curious
        to know about the circumstances of the Crested Duck at 1450m... I 
        suppose you didn't take any photos of it, did you? As you say, that is
        a surprisingly low elevation for the bird! Interesting.

        Now to add my two cents to the ID of Javir Colmenares' photos: I agree
        with most of the identifications already posted, but to me
        DSC_1359.JPG (Llanganuco Tyrant) is a Rufous-webbed Tyrant
        (Polioxolmis rufipennis), and DSC_0219.JPG (Mancora Dry Forest, Piura)
        is Yellow-olive Flycatcher (Tolmomyias sulphurescens). 

        Saludos,
        Dan Lane

        LSU Museum of Natural Science
        Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA

        --- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com, Juan Chalco  wrote:
        >
        > Just upload 4 photos of a Antpitta, but which one?. The photos was
        taken on the 30th of September 2002, 11:14 hours, 1500 m, at the P.N.
        Yanachaga Chemillen, Pasco.
        > Any help with the ID will be appreciated very much,
        > Beside that, We, Alejandro Tabini and Juan Liziola, saw a Crested
        Duck Anas specularoides at Laguna Oconal, Villa Rica, Pasco. Laguna 
        Oconal is at 1450m!!, this is well below its normal altitude range
        ( Clements-Shany)
        > Regards,
        > 
        > Juan Chalco
        > Kolibri Expeditions 
        > 
        > 
        > --------------------------------- 
        > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
        web links.
        >







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      Kolibri Expeditions
      http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com 
 www.birding-peru.com - checklist and data-base. Record your sightings on-line, 
forum, pictures, identification, Expedition Birding, etc. 

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forum, pictures, identification, Expedition Birding, etc. 

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  http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com 
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Barry

Just talked to Alex.
Seen from the river below Itahuania and berfore Boca Manu. This was in
September. Alex said the name of the place, but cannot remember exactly
...something like "shimpkiari"....

Alex would not mistake himself on this species. In fact he was with me
seeing it at Laguna Oconal.

Maybe the client has some pics!!

Gunnar


 On 10/13/07, Barry Walker  wrote:
>
>    *Dear Alex and Gunnar - I am interested in details of Crested Duck in
> Manu - can you send further details*
> *Thanks*
> *Barry Walker*
>
>
> ********************************************
> Manu Expeditions
>
> www.ManuExpeditions.com 
> www.Birding-In-Peru.com 
> www.ManuWildlifeCenter.com 
>
> ***********************************************
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Gunnar Engblom 
> *To:* Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 12, 2007 11:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's photos
>
>
>
>  Juan Jose and Dan
>
> We also had Crested Duck at Laguna Oconal in June this year. Furthermore,
> Alex Durand mentioned seeing Crested Duck somewhere in Manu this year!!
> I'll let you know when I talk to Alex...later today.
>
> Gunnar
>
>
> On 10/12/07, Daniel Lane  wrote:
> >
> >   Hola Juan,
> >
> > From your photos, I'd say your "antpitta" is a Buff-throated
> > Foliage-gleaner (Automolus ochrolaemus) without a tail! I am curious
> > to know about the circumstances of the Crested Duck at 1450m... I
> > suppose you didn't take any photos of it, did you? As you say, that is
> > a surprisingly low elevation for the bird! Interesting.
> >
> > Now to add my two cents to the ID of Javir Colmenares' photos: I agree
> > with most of the identifications already posted, but to me
> > DSC_1359.JPG (Llanganuco Tyrant) is a Rufous-webbed Tyrant
> > (Polioxolmis rufipennis), and DSC_0219.JPG (Mancora Dry Forest, Piura)
> > is Yellow-olive Flycatcher (Tolmomyias sulphurescens).
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Dan Lane
> >
> > LSU Museum of Natural Science
> > Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
> >
> > --- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com , Juan
> > Chalco  wrote:
> > >
> > > Just upload 4 photos of a Antpitta, but which one?. The photos was
> > taken on the 30th of September 2002, 11:14 hours, 1500 m, at the P.N.
> > Yanachaga Chemillen, Pasco.
> > > Any help with the ID will be appreciated very much,
> > > Beside that, We, Alejandro Tabini and Juan Liziola, saw a Crested
> > Duck Anas specularoides at Laguna Oconal, Villa Rica, Pasco. Laguna
> > Oconal is at 1450m!!, this is well below its normal altitude range
> > ( Clements-Shany)
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Juan Chalco
> > > Kolibri Expeditions
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
> > web links.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Gunnar Engblom-Lima, Peru.
> Kolibri Expeditions
> http://www.kolibriexpeditions.com
> www.birding-peru.com  - checklist and data-base. Record your sightings
> on-line, forum, pictures, identification, Expedition Birding, etc.
> Tel:  (office).  (home) cel:  or
> 
>
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Dear Alex and Gunnar - I am interested in details of Crested Duck in Manu - can 
you send further details 

Thanks
Barry Walker


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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gunnar Engblom 
  To: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's photos



  Juan Jose and Dan

 We also had Crested Duck at Laguna Oconal in June this year. Furthermore, Alex 
Durand mentioned seeing Crested Duck somewhere in Manu this year!! 

  I'll let you know when I talk to Alex...later today.

  Gunnar

   
  On 10/12/07, Daniel Lane  wrote: 
    Hola Juan,

    From your photos, I'd say your "antpitta" is a Buff-throated
    Foliage-gleaner (Automolus ochrolaemus) without a tail! I am curious
    to know about the circumstances of the Crested Duck at 1450m... I 
    suppose you didn't take any photos of it, did you? As you say, that is
    a surprisingly low elevation for the bird! Interesting.

    Now to add my two cents to the ID of Javir Colmenares' photos: I agree
    with most of the identifications already posted, but to me
    DSC_1359.JPG (Llanganuco Tyrant) is a Rufous-webbed Tyrant
    (Polioxolmis rufipennis), and DSC_0219.JPG (Mancora Dry Forest, Piura)
    is Yellow-olive Flycatcher (Tolmomyias sulphurescens). 

    Saludos,
    Dan Lane

    LSU Museum of Natural Science
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA

    --- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com, Juan Chalco  wrote:
    >
    > Just upload 4 photos of a Antpitta, but which one?. The photos was
    taken on the 30th of September 2002, 11:14 hours, 1500 m, at the P.N.
    Yanachaga Chemillen, Pasco.
    > Any help with the ID will be appreciated very much,
    > Beside that, We, Alejandro Tabini and Juan Liziola, saw a Crested
    Duck Anas specularoides at Laguna Oconal, Villa Rica, Pasco. Laguna 
    Oconal is at 1450m!!, this is well below its normal altitude range
    ( Clements-Shany)
    > Regards,
    > 
    > Juan Chalco
    > Kolibri Expeditions 
    > 
    > 
    > --------------------------------- 
    > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
    web links.
    >






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Dear Perubirders,
   
  I have to say that this bird confused me too. 
   
 What made me think on Leptopogon was the iris and bill color (according to the 
picture, the iris is dark and the bill only has pale base of the lower 
mandible). It is suposed that Tolmomyias has pale iris (somethimes is dark 
also) and pale lower mandible (not only the base). What's happening here? 
Wingbars? The pic is hiding the pale lower mandible? 

   
  fap
   
    

Rasmus Boegh  wrote:
          Hi Diego,

When dealing with potentially difficult families (e.g.
Tyrannidae) and photos where some things may not show,
people will sometimes reach different conclusions.
However, I suspect Dan is right on Tolmomyias
sulphurescens. Compared to the Leptopogon, the
Tolmomyias appears heftier, large-headed, larger-eyed
(in part caused by the indication of an eye-ring),
heavier-billed, has a pale lower mandible, less of a
dark auricular patch, yellower wing-bars (or
wing-spots) and a different tertial structure. Only
some of these things can be judged reliable from the
photo (and are also to some extend dependant on
subspecies, so not reliable everywhere), but under
normal field conditions the two are quite different
and generally easily separated. Even if not already
familiar with the two species, the relatively large
bill of the Tolmomyias is fairly distinctive.
Separating the various Tolmomyias is a far more
problematic issue, but as far as I know T.
sulphurescens is the only member of this genus one
would expect in Piura.

Regards,
Rasmus Boegh

--- Diego Garc�a Olaechea  skrev:

> Hi all, I have read the email of Dan Lane, and now i
> am very confuse. First I thought that was a Pacific
> Elaenia, which is not, I am moreless sure of that.
> But now, Dan said that is a Tolomyias sulphurescens,
> and Fernando thinks that is a Leptogon
> superciliaris.
> 
> De verdad, I have serious problems between this
> two birds on the field. I never know if is one of
> both, adding that Tolomyias in some case have dark
> eye.
> 
> Somebody can help me with some diagnostic field
> marks of those birds?
> 
> Gracias totales - (A lo SodaStereo, que vuelve a
> Peru ;-) 
> 
> Diego
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> 
> �S� un mejor ambientalista!
> Encuentra consejos para cuidar el lugar donde
> vivimos en:
>
http://telemundo.yahoo.com/promos/mejorambientalista.html

_________________________________

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Denmark
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This link works better!
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On 10/13/07, Gunnar Engblom  wrote:
>
> This may interest some on this list. Interesting records of apparantly
> breeding colony of Peruvian Martin.
>
> Gunnar
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Raul E. Sanchez Scaglioni 
> Date: Sep 15, 2007 8:40 PM
> Subject: [Biodiversidad-MedioAmbiente_PERU] Nuevos registros de la
> Golondrina Peruana (Progne murphyi) en dos islas de la costa peruana
> To: Biodiversidad-MedioAmbiente_PERU AT yahoogroups.com
> Cc: conservayconversa AT yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Bolet�n SAO Vol. XVII
> (No. 01) - Julio 2007 - Pag: 26-30
> Bolet�n SAO |
> http://www.sao.org.co/publicaciones/boletinsao/Boletin%20sao.htm| Julio
> 2007
> |
>
> Nuevos registros de la Golondrina Peruana (Progne murphyi) en dos islas de
>
> la costa peruana
> Mariano Valverde-Romero A, Mary Garc�a-Guzm�n B & Jos� Iannacone-Oliver C
> A,B Unidad de Investigaciones en Depredadores Superiores, Instituto del
> Mar
> del Per� (IMARPE). Apdo. 22, Callao,
> Per�. E-mail: amarianovalverde AT yahoo.com  ,
> b maryelbygarcia AT yahoo.com 
> c Laboratorio de Ecofisiolog�a Animal. Facultad de Ciencias Naturales y
> Matem�tica. Universidad Nacional Federico
> Villarreal. E-mail: joseiannacone AT gmail.com 
>
> Resumen
> Entre los meses de diciembre 2002 y septiembre de 2004 visitamos las Islas
>
> Santa y Ferrol (costa norte del Per�) y
> encontramos colonias de la golondrina peruana (Progne murphyi) que
> habitaban
> en los intersticios de muros de piedra
> construidos para retener el guano. Se realizaron conteos de individuos. Se
>
> presentan registros fotogr�ficos de
> individuos capturados. No se observ� comportamiento reproductivo. Este
> trabajo pretende incrementar el
> conocimiento de la distribuci�n y el estado de conservaci�n de la especie
> en
> el Per�.
>
> Saludos cordiales
>
> Ra�l E. S�nchez Scaglioni
>
> 
>
>
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This may interest some on this list. Interesting records of apparantly
breeding colony of Peruvian Martin.

Gunnar

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Raul E. Sanchez Scaglioni 
Date: Sep 15, 2007 8:40 PM
Subject: [Biodiversidad-MedioAmbiente_PERU] Nuevos registros de la
Golondrina Peruana (Progne murphyi) en dos islas de la costa peruana
To: Biodiversidad-MedioAmbiente_PERU AT yahoogroups.com
Cc: conservayconversa AT yahoogroups.com



Bolet�n SAO Vol. XVII
(No. 01) - Julio 2007 - Pag: 26-30
Bolet�n SAO |
http://www.sao.org.co/publicaciones/boletinsao/Boletin%20sao.htm| Julio 2007

|

Nuevos registros de la Golondrina Peruana (Progne murphyi) en dos islas de
la costa peruana
Mariano Valverde-Romero A, Mary Garc�a-Guzm�n B & Jos� Iannacone-Oliver C
A,B Unidad de Investigaciones en Depredadores Superiores, Instituto del Mar
del Per� (IMARPE). Apdo. 22, Callao,
Per�. E-mail: amarianovalverde AT yahoo.com  , b
maryelbygarcia AT yahoo.com 
c Laboratorio de Ecofisiolog�a Animal. Facultad de Ciencias Naturales y
Matem�tica. Universidad Nacional Federico
Villarreal. E-mail: joseiannacone AT gmail.com 

Resumen
Entre los meses de diciembre 2002 y septiembre de 2004 visitamos las Islas
Santa y Ferrol (costa norte del Per�) y
encontramos colonias de la golondrina peruana (Progne murphyi) que habitaban

en los intersticios de muros de piedra
construidos para retener el guano. Se realizaron conteos de individuos. Se
presentan registros fotogr�ficos de
individuos capturados. No se observ� comportamiento reproductivo. Este
trabajo pretende incrementar el
conocimiento de la distribuci�n y el estado de conservaci�n de la especie en

el Per�.

Saludos cordiales

Ra�l E. S�nchez Scaglioni




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Hi Diego,

When dealing with potentially difficult families (e.g.
Tyrannidae) and photos where some things may not show,
people will sometimes reach different conclusions.
However, I suspect Dan is right on Tolmomyias
sulphurescens. Compared to the Leptopogon, the
Tolmomyias appears heftier, large-headed, larger-eyed
(in part caused by the indication of an eye-ring),
heavier-billed, has a pale lower mandible, less of a
dark auricular patch, yellower wing-bars (or
wing-spots) and a different tertial structure. Only
some of these things can be judged reliable from the
photo (and are also to some extend dependant on
subspecies, so not reliable everywhere), but under
normal field conditions the two are quite different
and generally easily separated. Even if not already
familiar with the two species, the relatively large
bill of the Tolmomyias is fairly distinctive.
Separating the various Tolmomyias is a far more
problematic issue, but as far as I know T.
sulphurescens is the only member of this genus one
would expect in Piura.

Regards,
Rasmus Boegh

--- Diego Garc�a Olaechea  skrev:

> Hi all, I have read the email of Dan Lane, and now i
> am very confuse. First I thought that was a Pacific
> Elaenia, which is not, I am moreless sure of that.
> But now, Dan said that is a Tolomyias sulphurescens,
> and Fernando thinks that is a Leptogon
> superciliaris.
>    
>   De verdad, I have serious problems between this
> two birds on the field. I never know if is one of
> both, adding that Tolomyias in some case have dark
> eye.
>    
>   Somebody can help me with some diagnostic field
> marks of those birds?
>    
>   Gracias totales - (A lo SodaStereo, que vuelve a
> Peru ;-) 
>    
>   Diego
>    
> 
>        
> ---------------------------------
> 
> �S� un mejor ambientalista!
> Encuentra consejos para cuidar el lugar donde
> vivimos en:
>
http://telemundo.yahoo.com/promos/mejorambientalista.html


_________________________________

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Denmark
rasmus_boegh  yahoo.dk


 Tr�nger du til at se det store billede? Kelkoo giver dig gode tilbud p� LCD 
TV! Se her http://dk.yahoo.com/r/pat/lcd 

Hi all, I have read the email of Dan Lane, and now i am very confuse. First I 
thought that was a Pacific Elaenia, which is not, I am moreless sure of that. 
But now, Dan said that is a Tolomyias sulphurescens, and Fernando thinks that 
is a Leptogon superciliaris. 

   
 De verdad, I have serious problems between this two birds on the field. I 
never know if is one of both, adding that Tolomyias in some case have dark eye. 

   
  Somebody can help me with some diagnostic field marks of those birds?
   
  Gracias totales - (A lo SodaStereo, que vuelve a Peru ;-) 
   
  Diego
   

       
---------------------------------

�S� un mejor ambientalista!
Encuentra consejos para cuidar el lugar donde vivimos en:
http://telemundo.yahoo.com/promos/mejorambientalista.html

Hi Dan,

I have just uploaded to the Pic ID section 3 photos of this bird from Laguna 
Oconal in Villa Rica. 


Regards,

Alejandro Tabini



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gunnar Engblom 
  To: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's photos



  Juan Jose and Dan

 We also had Crested Duck at Laguna Oconal in June this year. Furthermore, Alex 
Durand mentioned seeing Crested Duck somewhere in Manu this year!! 

  I'll let you know when I talk to Alex...later today.

  Gunnar

   
  On 10/12/07, Daniel Lane  wrote: 
    Hola Juan,

    From your photos, I'd say your "antpitta" is a Buff-throated
    Foliage-gleaner (Automolus ochrolaemus) without a tail! I am curious
    to know about the circumstances of the Crested Duck at 1450m... I 
    suppose you didn't take any photos of it, did you? As you say, that is
    a surprisingly low elevation for the bird! Interesting.

    Now to add my two cents to the ID of Javir Colmenares' photos: I agree
    with most of the identifications already posted, but to me
    DSC_1359.JPG (Llanganuco Tyrant) is a Rufous-webbed Tyrant
    (Polioxolmis rufipennis), and DSC_0219.JPG (Mancora Dry Forest, Piura)
    is Yellow-olive Flycatcher (Tolmomyias sulphurescens). 

    Saludos,
    Dan Lane

    LSU Museum of Natural Science
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA

    --- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com, Juan Chalco  wrote:
    >
    > Just upload 4 photos of a Antpitta, but which one?. The photos was
    taken on the 30th of September 2002, 11:14 hours, 1500 m, at the P.N.
    Yanachaga Chemillen, Pasco.
    > Any help with the ID will be appreciated very much,
    > Beside that, We, Alejandro Tabini and Juan Liziola, saw a Crested
    Duck Anas specularoides at Laguna Oconal, Villa Rica, Pasco. Laguna 
    Oconal is at 1450m!!, this is well below its normal altitude range
    ( Clements-Shany)
    > Regards,
    > 
    > Juan Chalco
    > Kolibri Expeditions 
    > 
    > 
    > --------------------------------- 
    > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
    web links.
    >






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Hi Dan,

Yes we have some pictures of the crested duck from laguna oconal and if Juan 
Jose does not upload them I will do it when I get back home next week as I do 
not have the pictures here. 


There were two individual of Crested Duck at laguna oconal (1450 m.a.s.l) as 
Juan Jose mention and they were doing really good. 


Regards,

Alejandro Tabini


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gunnar Engblom 
  To: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [Birdingperu] Re: ID Help regarding Juan and Javir's photos



  Juan Jose and Dan

 We also had Crested Duck at Laguna Oconal in June this year. Furthermore, Alex 
Durand mentioned seeing Crested Duck somewhere in Manu this year!! 

  I'll let you know when I talk to Alex...later today.

  Gunnar

   
  On 10/12/07, Daniel Lane  wrote: 
    Hola Juan,

    From your photos, I'd say your "antpitta" is a Buff-throated
    Foliage-gleaner (Automolus ochrolaemus) without a tail! I am curious
    to know about the circumstances of the Crested Duck at 1450m... I 
    suppose you didn't take any photos of it, did you? As you say, that is
    a surprisingly low elevation for the bird! Interesting.

    Now to add my two cents to the ID of Javir Colmenares' photos: I agree
    with most of the identifications already posted, but to me
    DSC_1359.JPG (Llanganuco Tyrant) is a Rufous-webbed Tyrant
    (Polioxolmis rufipennis), and DSC_0219.JPG (Mancora Dry Forest, Piura)
    is Yellow-olive Flycatcher (Tolmomyias sulphurescens). 

    Saludos,
    Dan Lane

    LSU Museum of Natural Science
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA

    --- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com, Juan Chalco  wrote:
    >
    > Just upload 4 photos of a Antpitta, but which one?. The photos was
    taken on the 30th of September 2002, 11:14 hours, 1500 m, at the P.N.
    Yanachaga Chemillen, Pasco.
    > Any help with the ID will be appreciated very much,
    > Beside that, We, Alejandro Tabini and Juan Liziola, saw a Crested
    Duck Anas specularoides at Laguna Oconal, Villa Rica, Pasco. Laguna 
    Oconal is at 1450m!!, this is well below its normal altitude range
    ( Clements-Shany)
    > Regards,
    > 
    > Juan Chalco
    > Kolibri Expeditions 
    > 
    > 
    > --------------------------------- 
    > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
    web links.
    >






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En Espa�ol
and in English below

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jorge Riveros Cayo 
Date: Oct 12, 2007 1:46 PM
Subject: SALVEMOS CANDAMO! Carta al embajador FOZ con respecto al tema
Bahuaja-Sonene

Amigos todos,

seguimos con la campa�a para evitar que la administraci�n de Alan Garc�a
recorte irresponsablemente 209,000 hect�reas del Parque Nacional
Bahuaja-Sonene, para cederlos a la exploraci�n y explotaci�n petrolera en
manos de la transnacional estadounidense Hunt Oil. Si esto ocurre se
expondra la totalidad de las cuencas de los r�os Candamo y Tambopata a una
destrucci�n irreversible e injustificada.

En esta ocasi�n adjunto la carta que el congresista estadounidense Earl
Blumenauer, del partido Dem�crata y representante del estado de Oregon, ha
enviado al embajador de Per� en Washington, Fernando Ortiz de Zevallos,
expresando su preocupaci�n con respecto a la contradicci�n en la que el
gobierno peruano incurrir�, por los compromisos ambientales que asume al
suscribir el TLC con EEUU, si permite dicho recorte.

Pasen esta carta a todos sus amigos y allegados que tengan conciencia
ambiental e inter�s en el tema. Para los que a�n no firman el petitorio, por
favor entren a la siguiente p�gina web:

WWW.SALVEMOSCANDAMO.COM 

Esta iniciativa busca crear conciencia entre la poblaci�n y las autoridades
sobre la importancia de conservar y cuidar una de las zonas m�s biodiversas
del planeta.

Apoya esta causa con tu firma!

******

Friends all,

 we continue to promote the campaign in order to stop the Alan Garc�a
Administration of cutting off irresponsibly the Bahuaja-Sonene National
Park, by 209,000 hectares, opening it to oil and gas exploration, that will
be handed over to the U.S. transnational Hunt Oil. If this happens the
Candamo and Tampobata river basins will be totally exposed to an
irreversible and unjustified environmental damage.

 In this ocassion, I attach the letter sent by U.S. Congressman Earl
Blumenauer (D-OR), to the Peruvian Ambassador in the U.S., Fernando Ortiz de
Zevallos, expressing his concern about this decision, contrary to the spirit
and the provisions to protect the environment enclosed in the
U.S.-PeruTrade Promotion Agreement.

Pass on this letter to all your friends and acquaintances that have an
environmental concern and interest in the subject. For those that have not
signed the petition to stop the Peruvian government, please do so in the
following webpage:

www.geocities.com/macawmonitoring/candamo/candamo.html

This initiative seeks to create awareness among civil society and government
authorities about the importance of preserving and protecting one of the
most biodiverse regions of the planet.

Support the petition with your signature!


*jorge riveros cayo*
periodista / freelance journalist

Prolongaci�n San Mart�n 107, Dpto. 202,
Barranco, Lima 4 - Per�
T. +  / C. + 
Responda a / Reply to:
Correo personal / Personal email: *otorongo.solitario AT gmail.com*
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Tel:  (office).  (home) cel:  or

Juan Jose and Dan

We also had Crested Duck at Laguna Oconal in June this year. Furthermore,
Alex Durand mentioned seeing Crested Duck somewhere in Manu this year!!
I'll let you know when I talk to Alex...later today.

Gunnar


On 10/12/07, Daniel Lane  wrote:
>
>   Hola Juan,
>
> From your photos, I'd say your "antpitta" is a Buff-throated
> Foliage-gleaner (Automolus ochrolaemus) without a tail! I am curious
> to know about the circumstances of the Crested Duck at 1450m... I
> suppose you didn't take any photos of it, did you? As you say, that is
> a surprisingly low elevation for the bird! Interesting.
>
> Now to add my two cents to the ID of Javir Colmenares' photos: I agree
> with most of the identifications already posted, but to me
> DSC_1359.JPG (Llanganuco Tyrant) is a Rufous-webbed Tyrant
> (Polioxolmis rufipennis), and DSC_0219.JPG (Mancora Dry Forest, Piura)
> is Yellow-olive Flycatcher (Tolmomyias sulphurescens).
>
> Saludos,
> Dan Lane
>
> LSU Museum of Natural Science
> Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
>
> --- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com , Juan
> Chalco  wrote:
> >
> > Just upload 4 photos of a Antpitta, but which one?. The photos was
> taken on the 30th of September 2002, 11:14 hours, 1500 m, at the P.N.
> Yanachaga Chemillen, Pasco.
> > Any help with the ID will be appreciated very much,
> > Beside that, We, Alejandro Tabini and Juan Liziola, saw a Crested
> Duck Anas specularoides at Laguna Oconal, Villa Rica, Pasco. Laguna
> Oconal is at 1450m!!, this is well below its normal altitude range
> ( Clements-Shany)
> > Regards,
> >
> > Juan Chalco
> > Kolibri Expeditions
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not
> web links.
> >
>
> 
>



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on-line, forum, pictures, identification, Expedition Birding, etc.
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Hola Juan,

From your photos, I'd say your "antpitta" is a Buff-throated
Foliage-gleaner (Automolus ochrolaemus) without a tail! I am curious
to know about the circumstances of the Crested Duck at 1450m... I
suppose you didn't take any photos of it, did you? As you say, that is
a surprisingly low elevation for the bird! Interesting.

Now to add my two cents to the ID of Javir Colmenares' photos: I agree
with most of the identifications already posted, but to me
DSC_1359.JPG (Llanganuco Tyrant) is a Rufous-webbed Tyrant
(Polioxolmis rufipennis), and DSC_0219.JPG (Mancora Dry Forest, Piura)
is Yellow-olive Flycatcher (Tolmomyias sulphurescens).

Saludos,
Dan Lane

LSU Museum of Natural Science
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA

--- In Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com, Juan Chalco  wrote:
>
> Just upload 4 photos of a Antpitta, but which one?. The photos was
taken on the 30th of September 2002, 11:14 hours, 1500 m, at the P.N.
Yanachaga Chemillen, Pasco.
>   Any help with the ID will be appreciated very much,
>   Beside that, We, Alejandro Tabini and Juan Liziola, saw a Crested
Duck Anas specularoides at Laguna Oconal, Villa Rica, Pasco. Laguna
Oconal is at 1450m!!,  this is well below its normal altitude range
( Clements-Shany)
>   Regards,
>    
>   Juan Chalco
>   Kolibri Expeditions 
> 
>        
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally,  mobile search that gives answers, not
web links.
>

Just upload 4 photos of a Antpitta, but which one?. The photos was taken on the 
30th of September 2002, 11:14 hours, 1500 m, at the P.N. Yanachaga Chemillen, 
Pasco. 

  Any help with the ID will be appreciated very much,
 Beside that, We, Alejandro Tabini and Juan Liziola, saw a Crested Duck Anas 
specularoides at Laguna Oconal, Villa Rica, Pasco. Laguna Oconal is at 1450m!!, 
this is well below its normal altitude range ( Clements-Shany) 

  Regards,
   
  Juan Chalco
  Kolibri Expeditions 

       
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Javier, for me the birds are
   
  1. Amazilia humingbird - Amazilia amazilia
  2. Brown pelican juv. - Pelecanus occidentalis
  3. Pacific elaenia - Myiopagis subplacens 
  4. Parrot-billed Seedeater (male) - Sporophila peruviana
  5. Laughing Falcon - Herpetotheres cachinnans (Nice pic!)
  6. Peruvian Pigmy-Owl - Glaucidium peruanum
  7. Tricolored Heron - Egretta tricolor
  8. Yellow-crowned Night-heron - Nyctanassa violacea
   
  Saludos, 
   
  Diego

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I need your help to id some Birds, Please check:
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Thanks

Javier

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Javier,
  A few identifications:
   
  Sanpiper: Surfbird
  DSC_0208 Gray-and-white Tyrannulet
  Unknow Falcon: Laughing Falcon
  DSC_1480 Spot-throated HB
  DSC_0774 Female Great-tailed Grackle
  Heron Yellow-crowned Night-heron
  Falcon: Laughing Falcon
  Tumbes Pelican: Young Brown Pelicans
  DSC_0219 Slaty-capped Flycatcher
   
 The ones you put the name on I think are correct.Where you got the Laughing 
Falcon? 

   
  Un abrazo,
   
  fap
  

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I need your help to id some Birds, Please check:
http://www.birdingperu.com/picsfiles/photos.asp?idtipopic=1

Thanks

Javier

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Hola Javier

A few of the birds anyway....
Sanpiper.JPG  - Surfbird
DSC_0208.JPG - Gray and White Tyrannulet
Unknow Falcon.JPG - Laughing Falcon
DSC_1480.JPG - Spot-throated Hummingbird
DSC_0774.JPG Great-tailed Grackle
DSC_1359.JPG - Rufous-webbed Tyrant
Tyrant.JPG - suggesting Taczanowski's Ground-Tyrant (split from Plain-capped
GT)
Heron.JPG - Yellow-crowned Night-Heron
Tricolored Heron.JPG - Correct
Peruvian Pygmy-Owl.JPG - correct (Pacific form)
Falcon.JPG  - Laughing Falcon
Parrot-billed Seedeater.JPG - correct
DSC_0219.JPG Flycatcher  not sure at this point. No books at hand.
Ochraceous Atilla? Becard?
Tumbes Pelicans - guess they are juv Brown Pelicans
Amazilia Hummingbird is correct - northern subspecies

Gunnar
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On 10/10/07, Javier Colmenares  wrote:
>
>   Hello,
>
> I need your help to id some Birds, Please check:
> http://www.birdingperu.com/picsfiles/photos.asp?idtipopic=1
>
> Thanks
>
> Javier
>
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> Perfecciona tu t�cnica y encuentra las mejores fotos.
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> 
>



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-- 
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Kolibri Expeditions
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on-line, forum, pictures, identification, Expedition Birding, etc.
Tel:  (office).  (home) cel:  or

Hello,

I need your help to id some Birds, Please check:
http://www.birdingperu.com/picsfiles/photos.asp?idtipopic=1

Thanks

Javier


 
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Hi,

The photos of a hummingbird from Tacna bring back many good 
memories. Luckily I will soon visit Tacna again. 

I'm not sure it is possible to determinate if this is a Chilean 
Woodstar, this because the best pictures don't shove the tail, and 
it is crucial to see the tail if you want to distinguish between 
Peruvian Sheartail and Chilean Woodstar. During my time in Tacna I 
had a hummingbird feeder in my garden almost four years, and 10-20 
hummingbirds present all the time.  

I had plenty of opportunity to observe the Peruvian Sheartail during 
these years. Several times I had birds in my garden that I believed 
to be Chilean Woodstar. But when I had a closer look at the birds I 
discovered that they all were Peruvian Sheartails. 

Moulting Peruvian Sheartails can be rather tricky to identify. I 
have seen moulting adult birds (at least twice) lacking the white 
streamers, and some moulting birds have very short streamers 
normally hidden by the other tail feathers. These short streamers 
are only visible when the bird spreads its tail during the flight. 
If you overlook this you can easily misidentify this hummingbird. 

Once I believed to have a Chilean Woodstar at a hummingbird feeder 
close to the Plaza de Armas in Tacna. I studied the male bird for 
one hour before concluding that it was just a Peruvian Sheartail. 
This male moulted the feathers in the gorget and lacked the white 
streamers. After five years in Tacna I still lack this bird on my 
Peruvian birdlist!! 

However it seems like the bird at the last photo has white 
streamers, as indicated by Gunnar. If this is true it is a Peruvian 
Sheartail.  

 All the best,

Tor Egil H�gs�s
Juliaca, Peru

Hola todos.
   
 I have been sent some pics by Andy Rosas Quihue and uploaded them to pics ID 
on www.birdingperu.com 

   
 The female looking birds I cannot see any feature that would indicate Chilean 
Woodstar, but the young male has the start of a gorget, that according to the 
recently published article in Neotropical birding should have a white streak 
above the gorget and a white streak in it... 

 However, there is on Eulidia 4 some whitish seen at the tail area. If this is 
not an artifact it would rule out Chilean Woodstar. 

   
  Comments please...
   
 The Tacna ornithologists thinks Chilean Woodstar may be no more in Peru...as 
there is no hard evidence. Barry Walker mentioned in an earlier thread on this 
list of sightings in Tacna town not too long ago, but I don't suppose there are 
any pictures. I presume he has seen males. 

   
  Gunnar


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Hola Alejandro 
   
  I think your parrot is a indeed Red-billed Parrot....
 And it is not out of range...just that it is a scarce parrot in many parts of 
Peru, and therefore not yet in the data base on birding peru for the Oxapampa 
area. 

   
  Where exactly did you photograph it?
   
  Gunnar

altabpe00  escribi�:
  Just upload 3 pictures (2 of a Parrot and 1 from a Hummingbird) and 
would like some help to confirm or correct the IDs.

8197 and 8203 thinking about red-billed Parrot (Pionussordidus) becuase 
of the red bill, but would be out of its range. I also think of Pionus 
menstruus juvenile but it would have dusky bill.

48050 thinking of an Amethyst-throated Sunangel.

Any help would be appreciated

Alejandro




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Does anyone know the subspecific race of Guira Tanager that inhabits Manu and 
south-eastern Peru? 


Thanks in advance,
Scott

I suspect the presence of American Kestrel in the Tambopata area is a sad 
commentary on the forest clearance that has taken place in the region. 

John Arvin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pepe Rojas 
  To: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:28 PM
  Subject: [Birdingperu] American Kestrel in Tambopata



  Hello everybody,

 I just came from a birding trip in southeastern Peru and I was really 
surprised to see a female American Kestrel in the Tambopata area. Talking with 
Omar, the local guide, he mention that also the male has been spotted in the 
same area at least three times. 

 As far as I know it might be the first report of this species in Tambopata and 
I guess in the lowlands of Peru. 


 Does anybody has a record of this species on the lowlands? I have not been 
able to do some proper reading and search of literature about it, but in Birds 
of Ecuador (Ridgley and Greenfield) it say that this species does not occur in 
the lowlands at least in Ecuador. 

  Please any sights or literature in that regard will be highly appreciate it.

 Also today at Villa I saw a Ringed Teal. For those interested in seeing this 
sps it was in the Mar Villa circuit. Enjoy! 


  Good birding

  Pepe




  Pepe Rojas
  Naturalist and Birding Guide
  Peru,Ecuador, Brasil and Bolivia
  Palo Alto, California
  Mobile in USA 
  Mobile in Peru (
  www.exploringthewild.com
  pepereds AT exploringthewild.com
  Eubucco AT yahoo.com


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  Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. 

   

Hello everybody,

I just came from a birding trip in southeastern Peru and I was really surprised 
to see a female American Kestrel in the Tambopata area. Talking with Omar, the 
local guide, he mention that also the male has been spotted in the same area at 
least three times. 

As far as I know it might be the first report of this species in Tambopata and 
I guess in the lowlands of Peru. 

   
 Does anybody has a record of this species on the lowlands? I have not been 
able to do some proper reading and search of literature about it, but in Birds 
of Ecuador (Ridgley and Greenfield) it say that this species does not occur in 
the lowlands at least in Ecuador. 

  Please any sights or literature in that regard will be highly appreciate it.
   
 Also today at Villa I saw a Ringed Teal. For those interested in seeing this 
sps it was in the Mar Villa circuit. Enjoy! 

   
  Good birding
   
  Pepe




Pepe Rojas
Naturalist and Birding Guide
Peru,Ecuador, Brasil and Bolivia
Palo Alto, California
Mobile in USA 
Mobile in Peru (
www.exploringthewild.com
pepereds AT exploringthewild.com
Eubucco AT yahoo.com
       
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Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. 

Just upload 3 pictures (2 of a Parrot and 1 from a Hummingbird) and 
would like some help to confirm or correct the IDs.

8197 and 8203 thinking about red-billed Parrot (Pionussordidus) becuase 
of the red bill, but would be out of its range.  I also think of Pionus 
menstruus juvenile but it would have dusky bill.

48050 thinking of an Amethyst-throated Sunangel.

Any help would be appreciated

Alejandro

The Candamo documentary was broadcast on Canal 4 TV in the late 1990s. Gunnar - 
maybe local environmentalist groups would know who to contact? 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry Sirvio 
  To: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [Birdingperu] Oil and gas threaten Bahuaja Sonene National Park / 
Petroleo amenaza Candamo ["alan.lee" ] 



  Any ideas on how to see this documentary?



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: zuniga.griffis 
    To: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Birdingperu] Oil and gas threaten Bahuaja Sonene National Park / 
Petroleo amenaza Candamo ["alan.lee" ] 




 One way to awaken a wider audience and to influence decision makers to the 
dangers involved is to broadcast again that excellent documentary produced by 
Daniel Winitsky, "Candamo". It was made to protect the area and effectively 
pushed Mobil to decide not to continue exploration in the area in the 1990s. No 
harm in trying again! 


    Eleanor Griffis
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Eduardo del Solar 
      To: birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:14 AM
 Subject: [Birdingperu] Oil and gas threaten Bahuaja Sonene National Park / 
Petroleo amenaza Candamo ["alan.lee" ] 



 Thank you Alan for your timely message, I was unable to post a similar message 
two days ago. 


 The information you provide is quite critical given the historical and 
political forces at play here. The present president of Peru fled the country a 
few years ago amidst the charges that he had looted the national economy. 
Limenos were left with a multi-million dollar train project that was supposed 
to be a modern train system for the city of Lima that never worked. I assume a 
large number of Limenos believe, as I do, that the Bahuaja Sonene area of Madre 
de Dios will become another wasteland that will parallell the massive 
structures of concrete that were left in Lima with not one single train 
working..ever! While many Limenos make political jokes about these towers of 
concrete and the horrid visual impact on the city landscape, I can image the 
impact greed will have on the pristine areas in Madre de Dios! 


 There is no doubt in my mind that the political structure in Peru will use all 
their muscle and skill, they probably started negotiations, to sell the 200,000 
acres in this park area in the open market and behind closed doors. The 
response by the environmental/birding community will have to be equally strong, 
even stronger to stop this real threat. 


 Indeed a very serious threat, given the way the political system in Peru is 
structured to work. 


      Regards

      Eduardo

   

Any ideas on how to see this documentary?



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: zuniga.griffis 
  To: Birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Birdingperu] Oil and gas threaten Bahuaja Sonene National Park / 
Petroleo amenaza Candamo ["alan.lee" ] 




 One way to awaken a wider audience and to influence decision makers to the 
dangers involved is to broadcast again that excellent documentary produced by 
Daniel Winitsky, "Candamo". It was made to protect the area and effectively 
pushed Mobil to decide not to continue exploration in the area in the 1990s. No 
harm in trying again! 


  Eleanor Griffis
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Eduardo del Solar 
    To: birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:14 AM
 Subject: [Birdingperu] Oil and gas threaten Bahuaja Sonene National Park / 
Petroleo amenaza Candamo ["alan.lee" ] 



 Thank you Alan for your timely message, I was unable to post a similar message 
two days ago. 


 The information you provide is quite critical given the historical and 
political forces at play here. The present president of Peru fled the country a 
few years ago amidst the charges that he had looted the national economy. 
Limenos were left with a multi-million dollar train project that was supposed 
to be a modern train system for the city of Lima that never worked. I assume a 
large number of Limenos believe, as I do, that the Bahuaja Sonene area of Madre 
de Dios will become another wasteland that will parallell the massive 
structures of concrete that were left in Lima with not one single train 
working..ever! While many Limenos make political jokes about these towers of 
concrete and the horrid visual impact on the city landscape, I can image the 
impact greed will have on the pristine areas in Madre de Dios! 


 There is no doubt in my mind that the political structure in Peru will use all 
their muscle and skill, they probably started negotiations, to sell the 200,000 
acres in this park area in the open market and behind closed doors. The 
response by the environmental/birding community will have to be equally strong, 
even stronger to stop this real threat. 


 Indeed a very serious threat, given the way the political system in Peru is 
structured to work. 


    Regards

    Eduardo

   

Amigos Peruanos,

Ponte tu voz aka

http://www.salvemoscandamo.com/index.php#

Gracias!

------------------------------------------

If you have had problems accessing the posted link to the petition in
the original posting, it is currently accessible on the front page of
www.geocities.com/macawmonitoring

We have had a record response and later today I will be emailing the
1000 signatures already collected to members of the Peruvian congress.
After this time the site will be managed by the informal Save Candamo
Alliance. If you are part of an organisation that would like to
participate we hope to have more information at salvemoscandamo.com soon

Regards,

Alan Lee

One way to awaken a wider audience and to influence decision makers to the 
dangers involved is to broadcast again that excellent documentary produced by 
Daniel Winitsky, "Candamo". It was made to protect the area and effectively 
pushed Mobil to decide not to continue exploration in the area in the 1990s. No 
harm in trying again! 


Eleanor Griffis
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eduardo del Solar 
  To: birdingperu AT yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:14 AM
 Subject: [Birdingperu] Oil and gas threaten Bahuaja Sonene National Park / 
Petroleo amenaza Candamo ["alan.lee" ] 



 Thank you Alan for your timely message, I was unable to post a similar message 
two days ago. 


 The information you provide is quite critical given the historical and 
political forces at play here. The present president of Peru fled the country a 
few years ago amidst the charges that he had looted the national economy. 
Limenos were left with a multi-million dollar train project that was supposed 
to be a modern train system for the city of Lima that never worked. I assume a 
large number of Limenos believe, as I do, that the Bahuaja Sonene area of Madre 
de Dios will become another wasteland that will parallell the massive 
structures of concrete that were left in Lima with not one single train 
working..ever! While many Limenos make political jokes about these towers of 
concrete and the horrid visual impact on the city landscape, I can image the 
impact greed will have on the pristine areas in Madre de Dios! 


 There is no doubt in my mind that the political structure in Peru will use all 
their muscle and skill, they probably started negotiations, to sell the 200,000 
acres in this park area in the open market and behind closed doors. The 
response by the environmental/birding community will have to be equally strong, 
even stronger to stop this real threat. 


 Indeed a very serious threat, given the way the political system in Peru is 
structured to work. 


  Regards

  Eduardo
   

Thank you Alan for your timely message, I was unable to post a similar message 
two days ago. 


The information you provide is quite critical given the historical and 
political forces at play here. The present president of Peru fled the country a 
few years ago amidst the charges that he had looted the national economy. 
Limenos were left with a multi-million dollar train project that was supposed 
to be a modern train system for the city of Lima that never worked. I assume a 
large number of Limenos believe, as I do, that the Bahuaja Sonene area of Madre 
de Dios will become another wasteland that will parallell the massive 
structures of concrete that were left in Lima with not one single train 
working..ever! While many Limenos make political jokes about these towers of 
concrete and the horrid visual impact on the city landscape, I can image the 
impact greed will have on the pristine areas in Madre de Dios! 


There is no doubt in my mind that the political structure in Peru will use all 
their muscle and skill, they probably started negotiations, to sell the 200,000 
acres in this park area in the open market and behind closed doors. The 
response by the environmental/birding community will have to be equally strong, 
even stronger to stop this real threat. 


Indeed a very serious threat, given the way the political system in Peru is 
structured to work. 


Regards

Eduardo