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25 Nov Hammock Skipper ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
22 Nov Harshaw Road, Santa Cruz Co, AZ, Barred Yellow, another late date ["Alan Schmierer aaschmierer AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
22 Nov Re: [DesertLeps] RE: [leps-talk] Shapiro and his migration notes. ["Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" ]
22 Nov RE: [leps-talk] Shapiro and his migration notes. ["Harry Pavulaan harrypav AT hotmail.com [SoWestLep]" ]
22 Nov RE: [NEleps] New digital Mourning Cloaks ["Harry Pavulaan harrypav AT hotmail.com [SoWestLep]" ]
21 Nov Re: LRGV 2014 ["fsmodel AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
20 Nov BARRED YELLOW (Eurema daira) at Harshaw Rd, santa Cruz Co, az - Late date? ["Alan Schmierer aaschmierer AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
20 Nov Re: soldier update again ["'Hank Brodkin' hbrodkin AT cox.net [SoWestLep]" ]
19 Nov LRGV 2014 ["fsmodel AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
19 Nov soldier update again ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
17 Nov Re: Re: [DesertLeps] Warmest oceans ever recorded ["Alex Grkovich agrkovich2003 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
17 Nov Re: [DesertLeps] Warmest oceans ever recorded ["'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" ]
16 Nov Warmest oceans ever recorded ["'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" ]
15 Nov Another Soldier (Danaus eresimus) in Tucson; 15 Nov 2014 ["'Robert A. Behrstock' rbehrstock AT cox.net [SoWestLep]" ]
15 Nov soldier update ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov yard today ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov Final Soldier update ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov soldier update ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov soldier news ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov soldier update ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov soldier update ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov Shapiro and his migration notes. ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov soldier update ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov soldier update ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov soldier update ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
14 Nov Re: [DesertLeps] Danaus eresimus ["Alex Grkovich agrkovich2003 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
13 Nov RE: Re: [DesertLeps] Painted Lady's and other migrants ["Ken Wilson kaeagles AT hotmail.com [SoWestLep]" ]
13 Nov Danaus eresimus ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
13 Nov Re: [DesertLeps] Butterfly Eyespots Deflect Predation | The Scientist Magazine® ["Alex Grkovich agrkovich2003 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
13 Nov Butterfly Eyespots Deflect Predation | The Scientist Magazine ["'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" ]
13 Nov RE: Re: [SoWestLep] Painted Lady southward migration ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
13 Nov Re: Painted Lady southward migration ["Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" ]
13 Nov RE: [leps-talk] Painted Lady's migrate south in Europe ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov RE: [leps-talk] Re: [DesertLeps] Painted Lady's and other migrants ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
13 Nov Sexy spiders - link ["zapjammer AT comcast.net [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov Painted Lady's migrate south in Europe ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov RE: Re: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov RE: Painted Lady southward migration ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov Re: [DesertLeps] Painted Lady's and other migrants ["Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov RE: [DesertLeps] Re: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov Painted Lady's and other migrants ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov Re: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration ["chris kline kline_at_pine AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov Groundwater warming up in sync ["'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov Re: Painted Lady southward migration ["Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov Re: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration ["Alex Grkovich agrkovich2003 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov Painted Lady southward migration ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
12 Nov Re: Painted lady migration south ["Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" ]
11 Nov RE: Painted lady migration south ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
11 Nov Re: Painted lady migration south ["Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp [SoWestLep]" ]
11 Nov Re: Painted lady migration south ["Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" ]
11 Nov Painted lady migration south ["zapjammer AT comcast.net [SoWestLep]" ]
11 Nov RE: Painted lady migration south ["'Norbert Kondla' nkondla AT telus.net [SoWestLep]" ]
11 Nov RE: Painted lady migration south ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
11 Nov Painted lady migration south ["Richard Carlson rccarl AT pacbell.net [SoWestLep]" ]
10 Nov Re: Painted Lady migration ["Pete Spino petespino8 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
10 Nov Painted Lady migration ["'Lethaby, Nick' nlethaby AT ti.com [SoWestLep]" ]
10 Nov RE: Painted Lady - return migration ["'Norbert Kondla' nkondla AT telus.net [SoWestLep]" ]
9 Nov RE: Painted Lady ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
9 Nov RE: Painted Lady ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
9 Nov SE AZ: Butterflies of Tohono Chul Park ["'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" ]
10 Nov Re: Painted Lady ["Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp [SoWestLep]" ]
9 Nov Re: Painted Lady ["Elizabeth Long elizabeth.c.long AT gmail.com [SoWestLep]" ]
09 Nov Re: Painted Lady ["Bob Allen bugbob AT mac.com [SoWestLep]" ]
9 Nov Re: Painted Lady ["Art Douglas pop_art AT sbcglobal.net [SoWestLep]" ]
9 Nov Painted Lady ["Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp [SoWestLep]" ]
08 Nov Nicippe in Ventura ["Tommoth AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
08 Nov Giant Swallowtail - Santa Barbara, CA ["icbflys AT cox.net [SoWestLep]" ]
07 Nov SEAZ: Zilpa Longtail in Harshaw rabbitbrush ["mattbrownbirds AT gmail.com [SoWestLep]" ]
7 Nov Genetic Data Clarify Insect Evolution | The Scientist Magazine ["'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" ]
7 Nov NE Tucson: Mallow Scrub-hairstreak ["mary klinkel munchita AT msn.com [SoWestLep]" ]
4 Nov Snouts return to the Sierra for 20 minutes. ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
3 Nov 2015 DeWind Lepidoptera Research and Conservation Awards ["Candace Fallon candace AT xerces.org [SoWestLep]" ]
30 Oct RE: RE: [SoWestLep] More observations on migrants and other species: ["David Ferguson manzano57 AT msn.com [SoWestLep]" ]
30 Oct RE: More observations on migrants and other species: ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]
30 Oct Re: More observations on migrants and other species: ["JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" ]
30 Oct More observations on migrants and other species: ["'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" ]

Subject: Hammock Skipper
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:58:38 -0500
Lepsters,
 
Yet another Hammock Skipper (Polygonus leo) has arrived in the yard  today. 
The only significance of this is that this is the fourth one this fall  
that I've seen in my yard. I'm lucky to see one a year.
 
No sign of the female Soldier. She was last seen a week ago. Bugs are  
tapering off in the yard but we've managed to escape frost so far so the  
crucita might have another good week or so of bloom on it.
 
Cheers,  Jim B
Subject: Harshaw Road, Santa Cruz Co, AZ, Barred Yellow, another late date
From: "Alan Schmierer aaschmierer AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 23:08:51 +0000 (UTC)
Today at the Santa Cruz Co, AZ,  the Harshaw Road rabbitbrush was 95% dead, 
but butterflies persist, including at least one late date BARRED YELLOW (Eurema 
daira). About 12 species there, including a very fresh ACMON BLUE (Plebejus 
acmon). 



https://www.flickr.com/photos/sloalan/15852551291/  At the Las Cienegas 
National Conservation Area, Pima Co, AZ there was a rather fresh GREAT PURPLE 
HAIRSTREAK (Atlides halesus) and many others. 

 
Alan Schmierer
PO Box 626
Patagonia, AZ  85624
805-801-3701 (cell)
PHOTOS AT:
 www.flickr.com/photos/sloalan
Subject: Re: [DesertLeps] RE: [leps-talk] Shapiro and his migration notes.
From: "Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 09:01:39 -0800
Harry Pavulaan wrote:

> While the common perception indicates a southward migration 
> in fall, I have seen increased numbers of Vanessa cardui
> along the southern New England and Long Island coast in
> fall, but these almost always seem to be nectaring on th
> abundant Solidago that grows in the swales behind the
> dunes.  Same with Junonia coenia.  Yet I have never
> actually witnessed directional movement in these two
> species as I did with Danaus plexippus and Polygonia
> interrogationis.  My clear impression in Rhode Island
> and on Long Island is that they gather along the coast,
> remain behind after plexippus departs, but perish with
> the first hard freeze.
>  
> My own observations seem to indicate that if there is a
> southward migration in fall, it must be rather imperceptible.
>  A migration of individuals going their own way south,
> with no migratory paths such as along the coast. 

Harry, those are exactly the same experiences I have had
in the Sierra foothills of central California in October and
November and in Iowa, Nebraska and Oklahoma in September.

The late summer and fall Painted Ladies spend a huge
amount of time nectaring - the same butterfly one sees
in the morning on a butterfly bush will be there several
hours later - but the southward flight behavior is
not something I routinely see. In the spring the reverse
is true - the northward flight behavior is very obvious
and the butterflies seem to spend relatively little time
nectaring.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.


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Subject: RE: [leps-talk] Shapiro and his migration notes.
From: "Harry Pavulaan harrypav AT hotmail.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:37:15 +0000
All:

While the common perception indicates a southward migration in fall, I have 
seen increased numbers of Vanessa cardui along the southern New England and 
Long Island coast in fall, but these almost always seem to be nectaring on the 
abundant Solidago that grows in the swales behind the dunes. Same with Junonia 
coenia. Yet I have never actually witnessed directional movement in these two 
species as I did with Danaus plexippus and Polygonia interrogationis. My clear 
impression in Rhode Island and on Long Island is that they gather along the 
coast, remain behind after plexippus departs, but perish with the first hard 
freeze. 


My own observations seem to indicate that if there is a southward migration in 
fall, it must be rather imperceptible. A migration of individuals going their 
own way south, with no migratory paths such as along the coast. 


Interestingly, I have heard reports to the contrary, with some observers 
claiming to witness "hundreds" of both cardui and coenia moving south over open 
water (i.e. Chesapeake Bay) in fall. Clearly a lot to be learned of these 
migrations. 


Harry Pavulaan

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TILS-leps-talk AT yahoogroups.com 

From: TILS-leps-talk-noreply AT yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:11:46 -0800
Subject: [leps-talk] Shapiro and his migration notes.












































































Everyone:


   If you have Shapiro's San Francisco Bay Area
and Sacramento Valley book, read the species accounts
for Painted Lady and West Coast Lady.


   Shapiro DID recognize a Fall migration for
Vanessa cardui and mentioned that the migration was more casual in nature.
If I read his comments correctly, spring migrants hatch out with body fat that
powers their northward movements while fall migrants lack such body fat and
have to spend much more time seeking sustenance.  So their directional
movement would be less likely to be observed.


   On page 197 Shapiro states: "A reverse
(southward) migration occurs from late August through November. This is a much
more casual affair. The butterflies, that were mostly born in the Pacific 
Northwest, are not provisioned with fat and must 

feed as they go."


   Shapiro also mentions elevational movements up
or downslope for Vanessa annabella but no movements going north or south.
They can be hilltoppers.





Best Wishes, Ken Davenport


kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net

















































 		 	   		  
Subject: RE: [NEleps] New digital Mourning Cloaks
From: "Harry Pavulaan harrypav AT hotmail.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 04:56:49 +0000
Norbert, all:

Amazingly, hyperborea is most distinct from all other antiopa subspecies. 
Despite descriptions of antiopa in texts, these have a red dorsal ground color. 
Some are remarkably red. Eurasian antiopa is more blackish, as is lintneri. 


Harry

To: WCanButterflies AT yahoogroups.com; TILS-leps-talk AT yahoogroups.com; 
DesertLeps AT yahoogroups.com; butterfly_obs AT yahoogroups.ca; 
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From: NEleps-noreply AT yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:35:32 -0700
Subject: [NEleps] New digital Mourning Cloaks
















      
























I previously put pics of some older and faded Cloak specimens in my cloak album 
on 
flickrhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/118126948 AT N03/sets/72157642797352014/Yesterday 
I added jpg format screen clips from pdf files, showing some fresh/fresher 
individuals of the taxa antiopa, asopos, hyperborea and lintnerii.The source 
pdf files are available in my public folder on 
Onedrivehttp://1drv.ms/1pPxZrEThese provide the option of viewing the pics up 
to 300% magnification without signifiant quality reduction.One thing I have 
learned from watching Cloak specimens fade over the past 9 years is that 
hyperborea usually fades from blackish to brownish faster and to a larger 
degree than other cloak taxa. Even some very fresh hyperborea start off with 
noticeable brown on venter. Norbert KondlaRimbey, Alberta 































 		 	   		  
Subject: Re: LRGV 2014
From: "fsmodel AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 14:46:04 -0500
Hi again,



The album I posted to Facebook yesterday did not carry forward my captions, 
which contained the time, place, and ID information. So that noble experiment 
didn't work. I have therefore now also posted to Flickr, which retains that 
information. Anyone who wants to know what I saw and not just the pictures, can 
access that here. 

https://www.flickr.com/phot…/fsmodel/sets/72157647069045404/



Cheers,
Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: fsmodel 
To: MassLep ; sowestlep 
Sent: Wed, Nov 19, 2014 7:36 pm
Subject: LRGV 2014


Happy Week-Before-Thanksgiving,


I am back from the LRGV. I have posted my photos to Facebook [rather than 
Flickr] and you can access the album here: 




https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.864401406933577.1073741826.100000911786591&type=3 



Three US lifers [curved-wing metalmark, pearly gray hairstreak, common 
bluevent]. It was a very good fall season and most people had many more lifers 
than I. On the other hand, my "secondary" butterflies included a lot of 
goodies, such as Xami hairstreak, Lacey's scrub hairstreak, saltbush sootywing, 
red-crescent scrub hairstreak, Erichson's white skipper, red rim, lantana scrub 
hairstreak [with good dorsal shots of both male and fermale], etc. 



So click on the link and enjoy the show.


Cheers,
Frank
Subject: BARRED YELLOW (Eurema daira) at Harshaw Rd, santa Cruz Co, az - Late date?
From: "Alan Schmierer aaschmierer AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:21:53 +0000 (UTC)
 There were 3, possibly 4, BARRED YELLOW (Eurema daira) at the mostly-gone-by 
rabbitbrush along Harshaw Rd, Patagonia Mts, Santa Cruz Co, AZ near noon today. 
One was rather pale like the "summer from" and 2 were more marked with brown 
ventrally like the "winter form". This may be a late date for Arizona. There is 
a photo of the latter at:https://www.flickr.com/photos/sloalan/15651059168/ 




Alan Schmierer
PO Box 626
Patagonia, AZ  85624
805-801-3701 (cell)
PHOTOS AT:
 www.flickr.com/photos/sloalan
Subject: Re: soldier update again
From: "'Hank Brodkin' hbrodkin AT cox.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 07:38:35 -0700
Jim:
Is this not a latest date for P. leo?

Hank Brodkin 
Carr Canyon, Cochise County, AZ
31°26’59.8”N 110°16’02.8”W
hbrodkin AT cox.net
"Butterflies of Arizona - a Photographic Guide"
"Finding Butterflies in Arizona - a Guide to the Best Sites"
http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/hbrodkin/


From: mailto:SoWestLep-noreply AT yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:21 PM
To: DesertLeps AT yahoogroups.com ; SoWestLep AT yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [SoWestLep] soldier update again




Lepstalkers,

Had the Soldier in the yard yesterday afternoon after it was MIA for 
Sunday/Monday. Today, no show so far but a Hammock Skipper (Ploygonus leo) in 
reasonably good shape is in the house also on crucita. 


Jim B


Subject: LRGV 2014
From: "fsmodel AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:36:38 -0500
Happy Week-Before-Thanksgiving,


I am back from the LRGV. I have posted my photos to Facebook [rather than 
Flickr] and you can access the album here: 




https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.864401406933577.1073741826.100000911786591&type=3 



Three US lifers [curved-wing metalmark, pearly gray hairstreak, common 
bluevent]. It was a very good fall season and most people had many more lifers 
than I. On the other hand, my "secondary" butterflies included a lot of 
goodies, such as Xami hairstreak, Lacey's scrub hairstreak, saltbush sootywing, 
red-crescent scrub hairstreak, Erichson's white skipper, red rim, lantana scrub 
hairstreak [with good dorsal shots of both male and fermale], etc. 



So click on the link and enjoy the show.


Cheers,
Frank
Subject: soldier update again
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:21:47 -0500
Lepstalkers,
 
Had the Soldier in the yard yesterday afternoon after it was MIA for  
Sunday/Monday. Today, no show so far but a Hammock Skipper (Ploygonus  leo) in 
reasonably good shape is in the house also on crucita.
 
Jim B
Subject: Re: Re: [DesertLeps] Warmest oceans ever recorded
From: "Alex Grkovich agrkovich2003 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:44:23 +0000 (UTC)
John,
Obviously you and I and everyone else knows that the Earth has gone through a 
series of NATURALLY occurring warming and cooling cycles over the past 
100 thousand years or thereabouts - with "man's inputs"....We're apparently in 
just another such (natural) cycle (which from what I have been reading has 
actually been LEVELLING off over the past decade. 

Oh, and I suppose it's just a shame that the ESA wasn't in place late in the 
Cretaceous...Who know, Tyrannosaurus Rex might have been "saved" and still be 
extant... 

Alex
  From: "'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" 
 

 To: Lep1 ; Lep2  
 Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 2:31 AM
 Subject: [SoWestLep] Re: [DesertLeps] Warmest oceans ever recorded
   
  >>> Did the Vikings record sea temperatures, when they settled in Greenland? 
Should have been the same as today. 

 According to the IPCC in 2007, "Average Northern Hemisphere temperatures 
during the second half of the 20th century were very likely higher than during 
any other 50-year period in the last 500 years and likely the highest in at 
least the past 1,300 years."  The thermometer dates from the early 17th 
century. World temperature records exist for only the last 150 or so years. 
 However, using proxies for actual temperature measurements, such as tree 
rings, lake sediments, ice cores, and corals, on the one hand, and historical 
records of crop harvest dates and ice-free periods in harbors, on the other, 
augmented by diary entries of heat waves and frosts, scientists are able to 
form a fairly accurate impression of world temperatures over the last 
millennium or two. There are now over two dozen reconstructions of world temps 
over the last 2,000 years, leading to a consensus that we are now in the 
warmest period of the last two millennia. --- 

John Saba
Tucson, AZ
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Subject: Re: [DesertLeps] Warmest oceans ever recorded
From: "'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 00:31:23 -0700
>>> Did the Vikings record sea temperatures, when they settled in Greenland? 
Should have been the same as today. 



According to the IPCC in 2007, "Average Northern Hemisphere temperatures during 
the second half of the 20th century were very likely higher than during any 
other 50-year period in the last 500 years and likely the highest in at least 
the past 1,300 years." 


The thermometer dates from the early 17th century. World temperature records 
exist for only the last 150 or so years. 


However, using proxies for actual temperature measurements, such as tree rings, 
lake sediments, ice cores, and corals, on the one hand, and historical records 
of crop harvest dates and ice-free periods in harbors, on the other, augmented 
by diary entries of heat waves and frosts, scientists are able to form a fairly 
accurate impression of world temperatures over the last millennium or two. 


There are now over two dozen reconstructions of world temps over the last 2,000 
years, leading to a consensus that we are now in the warmest period of the last 
two millennia. 


---
John Saba
Tucson, AZ
Nature Study Is a Grand Adventure!
Subject: Warmest oceans ever recorded
From: "'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 15:12:22 -0700
I saw this on ScienceDaily:

Warmest oceans ever recorded

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141114090009.htm?utm_source=feedburner 

---
John Saba
Tucson, AZ
Nature Study Is a Grand Adventure!
Subject: Another Soldier (Danaus eresimus) in Tucson; 15 Nov 2014
From: "'Robert A. Behrstock' rbehrstock AT cox.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 20:21:00 -0700
Dear Lepsters,

 

On the heels of Jim Brocks Soldier in his yard a couple days ago:

 

Karen and I were at Desert Survivors (1020 W Starr Pass Blvd, Tucson) this
morning loading up on plants. This native plant nursery sells hundreds of
small plants, trees, vines, shrubs, etc. from S Arizona and N Mexico and is
an astonishing resource for naturalist/gardeners. Their plants are
propagated by seed and cuttings; theyre not bringing truckloads of plants
in from south of the border. There was lots of nectar available and there
were plenty of butterflies on the property - Queens, several species of
pierids, ladies, several blues, etc. Around 11:30, I noted one basking
individual that was a deeper burnt orange then the surrounding Queens - a
useful field mark for the several dozen Soldiers I saw in Texas during the
last couple of weeks. Also obvious was the white spot band that crossed the
forewing tip but didnt turn inward toward the abdomen (as in a Queen). When
I got a bit closer, the black veins in the forewing tip were obvious - not
the case with Queens. This individual was a male. When we photographed it
around 11:45 it was resting on a boneset/mistflower (Eupatorium or whatever
it is now) about 40 in front of the office door.  Both Karen and I obtained
dorsal and ventral photos. We were able to share the sighting with two staff
members and one other customer.  I will circulate some photos tomorrow to
the Powers That Be. Note: Desert Survivors is not open on Sunday or Monday.


 

Best to all,

RAB  

 

 

Robert A. Behrstock

10359 S. Thicket Pl. 

Hereford, AZ 85615

Phone:  (520) 378-3262

Cell: (520) 732-4784

N31 22' 49.75"  W110 13' 41.08",  5,012' elev. 

Please visit my website:  
http://www.naturewideimages.com/

Birdlife of Houston, Galveston, and the Upper Texas Coast

http://www.tamupress.com/product/Birdlife-of-Houston-Galveston-and-the-Upper
-Texa,356.aspx

Finding Birds on the Great Texas Coastal Birding Trail

http://www.tamupress.com/product/Finding-Birds-on-the-Great-Texas-Coastal-Bi
rding-T,709.aspx

Dragonflies & Damselflies of the Southwest

 
http://www.rionuevo.com/book.php?book_isbn=9781933855141 

 

 
Subject: soldier update
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 14:47:09 -0500
The female Danaus eresimus is still hanging out today in my  yard. Now I 
wonder if she might have been here sooner since I was out of  town until last 
Wednesday afternoon.
 
Jim B
Subject: yard today
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 17:15:44 -0500
Lepheads,
 
Despite the weather it turned out to be a good day for butterflies in the  
yard. I think I guessed there were about 50 individuals hanging around but 
it  turns out to be closer to 100. Judy and John can attest to that fact. 
Counted 23  species, the best being the aforementioned Soldier and a 
Mallow-scrub Hairstreak. I did not see the Dorantes Longtail that showed up 
yesterday. 

 
La lista:
 
Giant Swallowtail    P  cresphontes                         1
Checkered White    P.  protodice                            1
Mexican Yellow      E mexicana  and  larvae           10
Sleepy Orange       E  nicippe                                  5
Dainty Sulphur       N iole   and  larvae                     1
Southern Dogface   C  cesonia                                8
Fatal Metalmark     C  nemesis                               3
Gray Hairstreak      S  melinus                               3
Mallow-scrub HS    S  istapa                                  1
Great Blue HS        A  halesus                               2
Ceraunus Blue        H  ceraunus                            4
Marine Blue            L  marina                                6
Western Pygmy B   B  exile                                  1
Monarch                  D  plexippus                          2
Queen                     D  gilippus                            20-25
Soldier                 D  eresimus                           1
Texan Crescent       A  texana                             20 -30
Painted Lady           V  cardui                              10-15
American Lady        V  virginiensis                        1
American Snout       L  bachmani                          5-15
Gulf  Fritillary            A  vanillae                            2
Eufala Skipper         L  eufala                              2
Fiery Skipper           H  phyleus                            3
 
Jim B
 
Subject: Final Soldier update
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 16:33:07 -0500
Have not seen the eresimus since about 2 PM when it started to really cloud 
 up and get windy. Thanks to the hundreds of folks that stopped by!
 
With sun tomorrow I'll check for her again.
 
Jim B
Subject: soldier update
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 15:09:21 -0500
She's still here. Audience has swollen to three folks counting myself.  
There is also a Mallow Scrub Hairstreak nearby.
 
Jim B
Subject: soldier news
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:50:53 -0500
Rich Bailowitz informs me that the last sighting on record was 2001. Does  
that tell you how rarely this bug is observed in Arizona? I'm jazzed that 
not  only is it in my yard but it is in really excellent condition for 
photographs. The weather is improving and warming up big time now. I must have 
50 

butterflies  in the yard - mostly queens and Texan crescents but also Great 
Purple  Hairstreaks, Mexican Yellows, etc.
 
Jim B
Subject: soldier update
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:43:42 -0500
She's back! Just spotted her on the crucita. If you want to drop by send me 
 an E-mail. If I've already contacted you just come through the arched gate 
next  to my garage. I'll be keeping an eye out for you.
 
Jim B
Subject: soldier update
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 13:06:18 -0500
Lepsters,
 
No Soldier as of this posting so I'm going to call it for today unless she  
shows meaning no more posts on this. Thanks for all your interest. If I see 
her  I'll let you know.
 
Jim B
Subject: Shapiro and his migration notes.
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:11:46 -0800
Everyone:

   If you have Shapiro's San Francisco Bay Area and Sacramento Valley book,
read the species accounts for Painted Lady and West Coast Lady.

   Shapiro DID recognize a Fall migration for Vanessa cardui and mentioned
that the migration was more casual in nature.  If I read his comments
correctly, spring migrants hatch out with body fat that powers their
northward movements while fall migrants lack such body fat and have to spend
much more time seeking sustenance.  So their directional movement would be
less likely to be observed.

   On page 197 Shapiro states: "A reverse (southward) migration occurs from
late August through November. This is a much more casual affair. The
butterflies, that were mostly born in the Pacific Northwest, are not
provisioned with fat and must feed as they go."

   Shapiro also mentions elevational movements up or downslope for Vanessa
annabella but no movements going north or south.  They can be hilltoppers.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



 
Subject: soldier update
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:03:28 -0500
Still no sign, folks. Cloud cover is an issue so I'll keep checking. Next  
post will be 11 AM unless I spot her prior. Activity was good around 9:30 AM 
 with full sun but it has tailed off. My Mexican Yellows aren't even flying 
and  most of the queens are basking on trees. :(
Subject: soldier update
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:30:18 -0500
No sight of her yet. Dealing with cloud cover the next hour. Next post will 
 be 10 AM.
 
Jim B
Subject: soldier update
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:12:26 -0500
Lepnuts,
 
The yard is just warming up and so are the Queens. No sign of the Soldier  
yet but the crucita is still mostly in shade. I'll have another update at 
9:30  AM or in roughly 20 minutes.
 
Jim B
Subject: Re: [DesertLeps] Danaus eresimus
From: "Alex Grkovich agrkovich2003 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 12:44:39 +0000 (UTC)
What do y'all think:
Is it EH-RE-Sigh-mus or eh-re-si-MUS?
I've always called it the first way.....

Alex
  From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [DesertLeps]"  

 To: DesertLeps AT yahoogroups.com; SoWestLep AT yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 5:36 PM
 Subject: [DesertLeps] Danaus eresimus
   
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Lepheads, I've had a Soldier (Danaus eresimus) in the yard the entire day. 
It's a girl and it's in excellent shape. Good chance it will stay and 
be around tomorrow. It's been on the same patch of crucita all day. If you 
would like to come by tomorrow and see it, reply to this post and I'll give you 
my address. I have to do some errands in the morning then by 10 AM I'll check 
to see if it's still here and I'll send out an E-mail saying yea or nay. This 
is the first one I've seen in the state for 15 years or so and a first for the 
yard!  Jim B 




  
Subject: RE: Re: [DesertLeps] Painted Lady's and other migrants
From: "Ken Wilson kaeagles AT hotmail.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 03:18:32 +0000
Paul,


I still have Gulf Fritillary coming to my yard. Last year was the first year I 
ever saw them here. We have a passion vine and I've seen as many as 6 cats at 
various stages on it. Had a fresh female here 2 days ago. 



Ken Wilson
Pleasanton CA


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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:02 -0800
Subject: [SoWestLep] Re: [DesertLeps] Painted Lady's and other migrants












































 

      Kenneth Davenport wrote:






> Gulf Fritillary (Agraulis vanillae incarnata): the first collected in the


> southern Sierra Nevada to my knowledge






I also had a fresh male Gulf Frit in my north-central Sierra foothill


El Dorado, Calif. yard last week at 1,505 feet elevation 35 miles


east of Sacramento and 4 miles west of downtown Placerville,


Calif. nectaring on buddleia bush flowers - only the


second Gulf I have seen in 26 years living at this location.  And


the first one was seen last year.  So maybe these Gulfs are


increasing in abundance over time in inland California.






No one grows passion vines in the Sierra foothills because


winters are too cold for the vines to survive.






Art Shapiro has no records of Gulf Frit sightings in the Sierra


foothills or higher elevations:


http://butterfly.ucdavis.edu/butterfly/Agraulis/vanillae






Paul Cherubini


El Dorado, Calif.






























   		 	   		  
Subject: Danaus eresimus
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:36:43 -0500
Lepheads,
 
I've had a Soldier (Danaus eresimus) in the yard the entire day. It's a  
girl and it's in excellent shape. Good chance it will stay and  be around 
tomorrow. It's been on the same patch of crucita all day. If you would like to 

come by tomorrow and see it, reply to this post and I'll give you  my 
address. I have to do some errands in the morning then by 10 AM I'll check to 
see 

if it's still here and I'll send out an E-mail saying yea or  nay.
 
This is the first one I've seen in the state for 15 years or so and a first 
 for the yard! 
 
Jim B
Subject: Re: [DesertLeps] Butterfly Eyespots Deflect Predation | The Scientist Magazine®
From: "Alex Grkovich agrkovich2003 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:53:00 +0000 (UTC)
Of course...anyone with a collection will notice how the eyespots (ocelli) of 
Buckeyes or Satyrs attract bird attacks.... 

Alex
  From: "'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [DesertLeps]" 
 

 To: Lep1 ; Lep2  
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:49 PM
 Subject: [DesertLeps] Butterfly Eyespots Deflect Predation | The Scientist 
Magazine® 

   
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Tucson lepsters will remember Katy Prudic, the lead 
author: http://shar.es/1XnIip 


Researchers show that patterned coloration can be an effective means of 
distracting predators from vital body parts. 


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Subject: Butterfly Eyespots Deflect Predation | The Scientist Magazine
From: "'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:49:38 -0700
Tucson lepsters will remember Katy Prudic, the lead author:
http://shar.es/1XnIip

Researchers show that patterned coloration can be an effective means of 
distracting predators from vital body parts. 


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Subject: RE: Re: [SoWestLep] Painted Lady southward migration
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:47:04 -0800
Paul:

   I agree, the Monarch seems to have lots of back up plans.  They don't put
all their "eggs" in a single overwintering site, or even in a lot of
overwintering sites.  I see that in the area I live and Monarchs do filter
into the Eastern Mojave Desert into NW Arizona.  Maybe some of those Weldon
Monarchs go there.

   I also note that individual Monarchs (and Painted Ladies) at Weldon may
pause at a patch of flowers for hours in the morning before disappearing in
the afternoon when winds come up.  I even saw a Queen individual sit on one
bush (yes, the "bush) for an hour and a half through 3 checks.

   During these calm early hours, non directional seems to be the rule for
both species.  Snouts on the other hand are going north and only pause
briefly.  Novel idea: Migrating north for the winter!  I wonder if any of
those Snouts will survive the winter in the Sierra?

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



Subject: [DesertLeps] Re: [SoWestLep] Painted Lady southward migration

 

  

Kenneth Davenport wrote:

> Paul:
> A LOT of Monarchs right now are also non-directional or flying northward
> at least for short distances. 

True. The southward migratory drive of monarchs weakens in
early November and vanishes by Thanksgiving. That's why 
considerable numbers of fall migrant monarchs don't reach
the traditional big overwintering sites along the California
coast and high mountains of Michoacan, Mexico. Instead,
they end up spending the winter at widely scattered spots
in the desert Southwest, the lowlands of central and northern
Mexico, parts of the Gulf and Atlantic coasts including islands 
just off the coast of N & S Carolina.

This is one reason why the monarch migration is extinction-proof;
i.e. it is inconceivable that any natural or anthropogenic calamity
could wipe out all or nearly all the overwintering monarchs.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.


Subject: Re: Painted Lady southward migration
From: "Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 08:12:05 -0800
Kenneth Davenport wrote:

> Paul:
> A LOT of Monarchs right now are also non-directional or flying northward
> at least for short distances. 

True.  The southward migratory drive of monarchs weakens in
early November and vanishes by Thanksgiving.  That's why 
considerable numbers of fall migrant monarchs don't reach
the traditional big overwintering sites along the California
coast and high mountains of Michoacan, Mexico.  Instead,
they end up spending the winter at widely scattered spots
in the desert Southwest, the lowlands of central and northern
Mexico, parts of the Gulf and Atlantic coasts including islands 
just off the coast of N & S Carolina.

This is one reason why the monarch migration is extinction-proof;
i.e. it is inconceivable that any natural or anthropogenic calamity
could wipe out all or nearly all the overwintering monarchs.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.






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Subject: RE: [leps-talk] Painted Lady's migrate south in Europe
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 07:50:29 -0800
Eddie:

   Thank you for providing the source document information.  A LOT of people
were involved weren't they?  Awake! doesn't usually give references but I
know that every statement made in that magazine has to have a reference/s to
back it up and that organization keeps such records.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



Subject: RE: [leps-talk] Painted Lady's migrate south in Europe

 

Hello All

1.                              For those wishing to have the full reference
to the Painted Lady article, here it is:

Multi-generational long-distance migration of insects: studying the painted
lady butterfly in the Western Palaearctic. 2012. Constant Stefanescu,
Ferran Pramo, Susanne kesson, Marta Alarcn, Anna vila, Tom Brereton,
Jofre Carnicer, Louis F. Cassar, Richard Fox, Janne Helil, Jane K. Hill,
Norbert Hirneisen, Nils Kjelln, Elisabeth Khn, Mikko Kuussaari, Matti
Leskinen, Felix Liechti, Martin Musche, Eugenie C. Regan, Don R. Reynolds,
David B. Roy, Nils Ryrholm, Heiko Schmaljohann, Josef Settele, Chris D.
Thomas, Chris van Swaay and Jason W. Chapman. Ecography 35: 001014, 2012.

2.                              Google on Ecography 35: 001014, 2012 and
youll find a download available via ResearchGate.

3.                               

4.                              The eastern Mediterranean experiences
something similar each year, with spring migrations northwards through
countries of the Levant and return (far less noticeable) migrations in the
autumn.  Numbers are generally smaller than in the western Mediterranean 
although much work remains to be done in the east. 

 

All the best

Eddie

 

CBSG-logoWeb

Eddie John FLS, FRES

  www.cyprusbutterflies.co.uk

 

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Subject: [leps-talk] Painted Lady's migrate south in Europe

 

  

Everyone:

   I stated that Painted Lady's migrate south in Europe.  I had understood
they did that for a long time.  But anyway, there is a one page article in
the Awake! magazine on page 14 in the December 2013 issue entitled "The
Painted Lady, a Mystery Revealed published by Jehovah's Witnesses.  It is a
science article which can probably be accessed by going to JW.org   I will
leave out the picture of a Painted Lady with the wings folded over its back.
You all know what they look like anyway.

 

   " European observers have long admired colorful painted lady butterflies
(Vanessa cardui) and wondered what happened to them at the end of each
summer. Do they simply perish with the onset of cold weather?  Fresh
research reveals an extraordinary story. The butterflies make an annual
journey between northern Europe and Africa.

   Researchers combined results from sophisticated radar with thousands of
sightings reported by volunteers across Europe. The results revealed  that
as the summer ends, millions of painted lady  butterflies migrate south,
mostly flying at an altitude of more than 1,600 feet (500 m)--therefore
hardly ever seen by humans. The butterflies wait for favorable winds, which
they ride at an average speed of 28 miles per hour (45 KM/h) on the long
trip to Africa. Their annual migration is up to 9,300 miles (15,000 km)
long, beginning from as far north as the fringes of the arctic and
terminating as far south as tropical West Africa.  The trip is almost double
that of the North American monarch butterfly.  It takes six successive
generations of painted ladies to complete the round trip.

   Professor Jane Hill of the University of York, in England, explains: "The
Painted Lady" just keeps going, breeding and moving." Annually, those steps
take the whole population from northern Europe to Africa and back again.

  "This tiny creature weighing less than a gram (0.04 oz) with a brain the
size of a pin head and no opportunity to learn from older, experienced
individuals, undertakes an epic intercontinental migration, states Richard
Fox, surveys manager at Butterfly Conservation.  This insect was "once
thought to be blindly led, at the mercy of the wind, into an evolutionary
dead end in the lethal British winter," Fox adds. Yet this study "has shown
Painted Ladies to be sophisticated travellers."

 

End of article:  My personal comments:

 

  Since they do this across the "big pond", should it surprise us that
Painted Ladies would do the same in North America?  I saw over 140 Painted
Lady's at Weldon in the Kern River Valley in the southern Sierra Nevada
today on a November 12th.  That would seem most unusual so late in the
Season were they not migrating. Based on personal experience, most Fall
migrations of Vanessa cardui have more individuals than the spring northward
flights in my region, though Spring flights can have much greater numbers at
times and are more ubiquitous in their occurrence.  Their southern migration
in California may also use high elevation flight, maybe why they are seen in
the Sherman Pass area a few miles to the north commonly above 8000'
elevation.  Their movements seem more leisurely than the spring migrations
and they seem more preoccupied feeding which may explain non directional
flights happening more frequently.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



 





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Subject: RE: [leps-talk] Re: [DesertLeps] Painted Lady's and other migrants
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:05:05 -0800
Paul:

   Send me the County and date and I can publish your Gulf Fritillary
record.

 

   I also have this record for it from Marla Sisneros submitted to BAMONA
with a photo or two:

 

Agraulis vanillae: Diamond Spring 16 Sept. 2014, El Dorado County.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
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Subject: [leps-talk] Re: [DesertLeps] Painted Lady's and other migrants

 

  

Kenneth Davenport wrote:

> Gulf Fritillary (Agraulis vanillae incarnata): the first collected in the
> southern Sierra Nevada to my knowledge 

I also had a fresh male Gulf Frit in my north-central Sierra foothill
El Dorado, Calif. yard last week at 1,505 feet elevation 35 miles 
east of Sacramento and 4 miles west of downtown Placerville,
Calif. nectaring on buddleia bush flowers - only the 
second Gulf I have seen in 26 years living at this location. And
the first one was seen last year. So maybe these Gulfs are
increasing in abundance over time in inland California. 

No one grows passion vines in the Sierra foothills because 
winters are too cold for the vines to survive. 

Art Shapiro has no records of Gulf Frit sightings in the Sierra
foothills or higher elevations:
http://butterfly.ucdavis.edu/butterfly/Agraulis/vanillae

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.


Subject: Sexy spiders - link
From: "zapjammer AT comcast.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 06:56:23 +0000 (UTC)
All, 

Here is a link of some interest: 

http://www.insidescience.org/blog/2014/11/11/smell-sex-lures-moths-spidery-doom 


Jonathan P. Pelham 
Subject: Painted Lady's migrate south in Europe
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 22:42:37 -0800
Everyone:

   I stated that Painted Lady's migrate south in Europe.  I had understood
they did that for a long time.  But anyway, there is a one page article in
the Awake! magazine on page 14 in the December 2013 issue entitled "The
Painted Lady, a Mystery Revealed published by Jehovah's Witnesses.  It is a
science article which can probably be accessed by going to JW.org   I will
leave out the picture of a Painted Lady with the wings folded over its back.
You all know what they look like anyway.

 

   " European observers have long admired colorful painted lady butterflies
(Vanessa cardui) and wondered what happened to them at the end of each
summer. Do they simply perish with the onset of cold weather?  Fresh
research reveals an extraordinary story. The butterflies make an annual
journey between northern Europe and Africa.

   Researchers combined results from sophisticated radar with thousands of
sightings reported by volunteers across Europe. The results revealed  that
as the summer ends, millions of painted lady  butterflies migrate south,
mostly flying at an altitude of more than 1,600 feet (500 m)--therefore
hardly ever seen by humans. The butterflies wait for favorable winds, which
they ride at an average speed of 28 miles per hour (45 KM/h) on the long
trip to Africa. Their annual migration is up to 9,300 miles (15,000 km)
long, beginning from as far north as the fringes of the arctic and
terminating as far south as tropical West Africa.  The trip is almost double
that of the North American monarch butterfly.  It takes six successive
generations of painted ladies to complete the round trip.

   Professor Jane Hill of the University of York, in England, explains: "The
Painted Lady" just keeps going, breeding and moving." Annually, those steps
take the whole population from northern Europe to Africa and back again.

  "This tiny creature weighing less than a gram (0.04 oz) with a brain the
size of a pin head and no opportunity to learn from older, experienced
individuals, undertakes an epic intercontinental migration, states Richard
Fox, surveys manager at Butterfly Conservation.  This insect was "once
thought to be blindly led, at the mercy of the wind, into an evolutionary
dead end in the lethal British winter," Fox adds. Yet this study "has shown
Painted Ladies to be sophisticated travellers."

 

End of article:  My personal comments:

 

  Since they do this across the "big pond", should it surprise us that
Painted Ladies would do the same in North America?  I saw over 140 Painted
Lady's at Weldon in the Kern River Valley in the southern Sierra Nevada
today on a November 12th.  That would seem most unusual so late in the
Season were they not migrating. Based on personal experience, most Fall
migrations of Vanessa cardui have more individuals than the spring northward
flights in my region, though Spring flights can have much greater numbers at
times and are more ubiquitous in their occurrence.  Their southern migration
in California may also use high elevation flight, maybe why they are seen in
the Sherman Pass area a few miles to the north commonly above 8000'
elevation.  Their movements seem more leisurely than the spring migrations
and they seem more preoccupied feeding which may explain non directional
flights happening more frequently.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



 
Subject: RE: Re: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 21:34:04 -0800
Chris:

   That would be interesting.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



Subject: [SoWestLep] Re: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration

 

  

I have always wondered if Queens had a fall migration.  If I had stayed in
AZ, that was a direction I was going to take the monarch study, start
tagging queens in fall to study their movements.

 

 


Chris Kline 
Sugar Grove, Ohio

To learn more about my Tony Spencer Mystery Series and my Butterfly books
visit: http://beeryridge.yolasite.com  

 

 


Subject: RE: Painted Lady southward migration
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 21:26:24 -0800
Paul:
  A LOT of Monarchs right now are also non-directional or flying northward
at least for short distances.  My experience in my area is that Fall
migrations are not as hurried and the butterflies are busy taking nectar.
But collecting by locality to the south shows the movement is generally
moving south.

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 

Subject: Re: [SoWestLep] Painted Lady southward migration

Ken wrote:

> Everyone:
>    Apparently many folks are not aware that Painted Lady Butterflies
> (Vanessa cardui) have a southward migration.  

Bob Allen and Koji reported them moving in northerly directions in recent
weeks in SoCal. So whereas we all agree Painted Ladies are moving
north in March-April throughout the West, their flight directions in the 
fall are more variable and inconsistent.  And some may not even
migrate as evidenced by the fact I can shoot video of them nectaring in
my Sierra foothill yard east of Sacramento until late November (until
the last of my Buddleia flowers are still in bloom).

Paul Cherubini
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Subject: Re: [DesertLeps] Painted Lady's and other migrants
From: "Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:27:02 -0800
Kenneth Davenport wrote:

> Gulf Fritillary (Agraulis vanillae incarnata): the first collected in the
> southern Sierra Nevada to my knowledge 

I also had a fresh male Gulf Frit in my north-central Sierra foothill
El Dorado, Calif. yard last week at 1,505 feet elevation 35 miles 
east of Sacramento and 4 miles west of downtown Placerville,
Calif. nectaring on buddleia bush flowers - only the 
second Gulf I have seen in 26 years living at this location.  And
the first one was seen last year.  So maybe these Gulfs are
increasing in abundance over time in inland California.  

No one grows passion vines in the Sierra foothills because 
winters are too cold for the vines to survive. 

Art Shapiro has no records of Gulf Frit sightings in the Sierra
foothills or higher elevations:
http://butterfly.ucdavis.edu/butterfly/Agraulis/vanillae

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.




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Subject: RE: [DesertLeps] Re: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:53:43 -0800
Alex:

   I believe that was evidence of a migration, just as it was for Monarchs
you saw there.  That is published in the Season Summary.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
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Subject: [DesertLeps] Re: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration

 

  

There was a HUGE flight of them at and near Lake Havasu City, AZ as I
observed in early December 2000.......

 

One West Coast Lady was also observed among them...if there were more I
didn't notice them.

 

Alex
  

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From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [TILS-leps-talk]"

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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:27 AM
Subject: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration

 

  

Everyone:

   Apparently many folks are not aware that Painted Lady Butterflies
(Vanessa cardui) have a southward migration.  Looking at some of the
literature, it is apparent some (many?) authors were only aware of the
spring migration.  In 2013 my region in south-central California saw an
extremely poor barely discernable spring migration north but had a major
southerly migration in the late summer and fall.  In fact Painted Lady
butterflies returning south in my area way outnumber the Monarchs out there.
The southerly movement is not a brief one, it lasts as long as the Monarch
migration...months.  Some Painted Lady's in the southern Sierra Nevada
overwinter in the Jawbone Canyon area and in the southern San Joaquin Valley
.

   Huge numbers in the Fall can be observed.  In the Hualapai Mts. of Mohave
County , AZ they have been so abundant as to be an incredible distraction.
I have seen them commonly in the Fall months moving south in the Mojave
Desert and like the Monarch, they follow the Sierra Nevada southward along
the Kern River Corridor and seem to me most common at high elevations that
have abundant late summer -fall nectar sources and water.

   I have been posting these observations for years in my posts and have an
article into the News of the Lepidopterists' Society, though that article
focuses more on the Monarch. I thought everyone was aware Painted Ladies
have a return migration just like the Monarch, but the route of the Painted
Lady movement may differ from Monarchs.  When the fall nectar sources to
support Monarchs, Queens and Painted Ladies, the butterflies disappear,
rather abruptly.  Where do these adults go and by what route?  Good question
but my thorough collecting in the southern Sierra and Mojave Desert (the
latter mostly in good years of rainfall).  Painted Ladies may seem
non-directional at sites where observed because they as individuals seem to
hold up at suitable locations that provide what they need and they aggregate
in such areas (they can be common at a site one day, scarce at the same site
a week later, then common the next day).  Robert Langston published spring
and fall records of Painted Ladies under "Migratory species" for years.
Believing both migrations in the spring and fall were well known I have not
done so.  At some point records become redundant.

   Maybe Fall Painted Lady migrations get less noted because they don't
appear to have prominent overwintering sites assembling in trees but I would
guess these butterflies largely migrate into Mexico with overwintering areas
in the southern portions within the southwestern states.  They also are not
tagged and monitored like Monarchs are.  Maybe they should be.

   Here are other butterfly movements I notice that maybe most don't:

(1) West Coast Lady (Vanessa annabella): While these do overwinter in cities
in the San Joaquin Valley, these butterflies become notably more common in
the Kern River Valley, the Kern River Corridor and even above 7000-9000' at
Sherman Pass where these are normally scarce from September into early
November then abruptly disappear when the fall blooms disappear.  Where do
all of these West Coast Lady's come from?

(2) Snout Butterfly (Libytheana carinenta streckeri): This year they have
been observed and collected in small numbers at Weldon in the Kern River
Valley in the southern Sierra Nevada, apparently moving together in some
numbers (last week at Weldon I observed six and collected three in 20
minutes whereas the rest of the day there I only observed one).  I had a
similar experience there the week before.  There are maybe twelve documented
records of Snouts in the Sierra Nevada , but these may be a northwardly
emigration into the Sierra for no apparent survival purpose.

(3) Dainty Sulphur (Nathalis iole):  These may be migrants or maybe they
just disperse from high population areas like the Snouts.  Two were at
Weldon, but I also saw three in the White Mts. east of Bishop last summer.
One was at nearly 12,000' on Sheep Mountain flying with Hesperia miriamae.

(4) Sleepy Orange (Abaeis nicippe): These appear to move into the southern
Sierra in the spring and fall and some individuals may overwinter there.

(5) Queens (Danaus gilippus): Breed in the Kern River Valley in Spring and
summer, probably from spring emigrants since this species can probably not
survive winters in that region.  They are common in early November most
years then abruptly disappear when the nectar sources do.  Where do they go?
I don't know but John Emmel told me once that they move southward into the
deserts elsewhere.

 

   Many of the most popular books used by the newer generation of
lepidopterists (watchers and collectors) have identification as the main
focus.  Not very many get books with more details that help all of us to get
into a deeper knowledge of the butterflies we seek to photograph or collect.
Maybe with respect to Painted Lady's, the return migration is not
nationwide, but more limited to the Pacific Coast states and western Arizona
?  Is there not a return migrations of Painted Ladies in Europe, Asia and
Africa ?

 

   While I am a collector, I am also very much a watcher.  If weather
permits, I may be heading back to the southern Sierra this morning to see
what I can find or observe.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 

 

 


Subject: Painted Lady's and other migrants
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:51:54 -0800
Everyone:

   Despite overcast conditions in Bakersfield I went to Weldon (November 12,
2014) in the Sierra where there was a weather inversion and conditions there
were sunny and fairly warm until a little after 1 PM when winds came up.  I
noticed a certain bush in full bloom as I turned right on Kelso Valley Rd.
off Hwy. 178 at about 10:25 AM. I stopped and checked it out.  The one bush
had 5 Monarchs, 6 Painted Lady's and 5 West Coast Lady's and 2 Queens.  That
bush would kind of become like the burning bush was to Moses in the book of
Exodus.  It would be historic through the collecting day until shadows
covered it by about 1:30 PM.

   Before I start discussing the days finds I have confirmed in the
literature that Painted Lady's do indeed migrate south at the end of summer
from northern Europe down into Africa.  So the northward migration on those
continents does have a purpose.  Maybe later today I can share an article on
that subject that discusses that.  There is no question in my mind that
Painted Lady's do migrate in North America the same way and there are
reasons why few may have seen them in the Fall.  But it is apparent that I
live in a corridor where they do migrate south.  The Painted Lady migration
also peaks when most butterfly watchers and collectors are no longer in the
field.

 

Butterflies observed at Weldon, Kern County, CA along Kelso Valley Rd. and
Paul's Place and at Hanning Flat off the Sierra Hwy., the latter site had
none of the migrants...no nectar sources.  November 12, 2014; 4 hours of
observations.  17 species.

 

Checkered Skipper (Pyrgus communis complex), both communis and albescens
occur here: 10-12, fresh brood.  Found at all 3 sites.

Sandhill Skipper (Polites sabuleti sabuleti)-40+

Field Skipper or Sachem (Atalopedes campestris campestris including dark
form tenebricosus: 20+

Checkered White (Pontia protodice including some form "vernalis": 30+

Orange Sulphur (Colias eurytheme): 30+

Great Purple Hairstreak (Atlides halesus corcorani): 3, 2 were found on the
"historic" bush at the entrance to the habitat collected.

Purplish Copper (Lycaena helloides): 60+, common on the bush as well.

Pygmy Blue (Brephidium exilis): 15

Acmon Blue (Plebejus acmon)-1

 

Gulf Fritillary (Agraulis vanillae incarnata): the first collected in the
southern Sierra Nevada to my knowledge (Fred Heath saw one two summers ago
at Wofford Heights on the Greenhorn Mts. butterfly count).  I was a block or
more uproad from the "bush" when I saw a very reddish butterfly with I
initially believed was an unusually reddish Queen.  It perched for a moment
on rabbitbrush and I saw it was a Gulf Fritillary in perfect condition.  As
I approached it, it flew up a steep hill and alighted on other blooms of
rabbitbrush only to take off again as I neared it several times, then
disappeared heading out of sight towards Hwy. 178.  I followed in the hope
it would stop at the "bush."  As I approached the "bush" I did not see it
but then it appeared from a spot previously out of sight.  I netted it while
visiting a bloom and I had it.  Somehow, it had been bird beaked in the 2-3
minutes I had lost sight of it.  That doesn't ruin its scientific
appearance.  It needs to be in a museum. Indiana Jones would approve.

 

Southwestern Snout (Libytheana carinenta streckeri): None seen in the area
where I collected 6 other Snouts and saw others in the past 2 weeks, but at
the "bush" I caught a perfect individual and may have seen another there 2
minutes before.

 

Mylitta Crescent (Phyciodes mylitta mylitta): 8

 

Painted Lady (Vanessa cardui): 140+ most commonly seen first 2 hours of the
day but seen at the bush all day.  There were always at least 4 cardui there
till the bush went dark when shadows covered it.  Very common W of Paul's
Place on blooms there.  Painted Lady's are rarely seen in Weldon between
spring and fall migrations.  Ditto for the Kern River Corridor and the
Sherman Pass area (Tulare County, CA) until August at the latter location
where adult cardui are common above 7000' prior to the migration, presumably
for abundant nectar and water.  Painted Lady's are seen in numbers lower
down (Kern River Corridor below 3000' in late Sept.-October and November as
higher elevation blooms go to seed.

 

West Coast Lady (Vanessa annabella): 70-80 seen.  This is another species
that occurs in the Kern River Valley, Kern River Corridor and Sherman Pass
region not seen in numbers until late summer and fall when it becomes
markedly common, even to 9000' W of Sherman Pass.  Common on the "bush" as
long as it was in the sun.

 

Buckeye (Junonia coenia grisea)-7

 

Monarch (Danaus plexippus): 70+  Essentially missing at Weldon Aug-Sept.
this year until the Fall blooms. Breeds commonly here at those times most
wetter years.  Painted Lady's much more common than Monarchs.  Common all
day on the bush.

 

Queens (Danaus gilippus thersippus): 16, usually at least 2 on the bush
everytime checked.  Also common at usual spots uproad and 2 seen near Paul's
Place.  All but 2 were in mint condition except 2 near Paul's Place which
had faded coloration but intact wings.

 

Notes: Number of species had declined. No Heliopetes ericetorum, Pieris
rapae, Abaeis nicippe, Nathalis iole, Strymon melinus or istapa, Vanessa
virginiensis or atalanta.  16 out of the 17 species were observed on the
bush sometime during the 10:25-1:30 PM time.  Maybe not coincidently, I am
actually sometimes paid to provide tours to the former home of the two
President Bush's to the home where they previously lived in Bakersfield.  By
the way, it is a "white house".  Weldon is only a little over an hours drive
from my home, only two blocks off Hwy. 178 in Bakersfield.  I guess I have a
direct route since most of todays collecting was 1-2 blocks off Hwy. 178.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



 
Subject: Re: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration
From: "chris kline kline_at_pine AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:32:44 -0800
I have always wondered if Queens had a fall migration. If I had stayed in AZ, 
that was a direction I was going to take the monarch study, start tagging 
queens in fall to study their movements. 

 
 

Chris Kline 
Sugar Grove, Ohio
To learn more about my Tony Spencer Mystery Series and my Butterfly books 
visit: http://beeryridge.yolasite.com 
Subject: Groundwater warming up in sync
From: "'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:42:21 -0700
I saw this on ScienceDaily:

Groundwater warming up in sync

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/11/141111111701.htm?utm_source=feedburner 
Subject: Re: Painted Lady southward migration
From: "Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:42:17 -0800
Ken wrote:

> Everyone:
>    Apparently many folks are not aware that Painted Lady Butterflies
> (Vanessa cardui) have a southward migration.  

Bob Allen and Koji reported them moving in northerly directions in recent
weeks in SoCal. So whereas we all agree Painted Ladies are moving
north in March-April throughout the West, their flight directions in the 
fall are more variable and inconsistent.  And some may not even
migrate as evidenced by the fact I can shoot video of them nectaring in
my Sierra foothill yard east of Sacramento until late November (until
the last of my Buddleia flowers are still in bloom).

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.


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Subject: Re: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration
From: "Alex Grkovich agrkovich2003 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:00:14 +0000 (UTC)
There was a HUGE flight of them at and near Lake Havasu City, AZ as I observed 
in early December 2000....... 

One West Coast Lady was also observed among them...if there were more I 
didn't notice them. 

Alex
  From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [TILS-leps-talk]" 
 

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 Subject: [leps-talk] Painted Lady southward migration
   
   Everyone:    Apparently many folks are not aware thatPainted Lady 
Butterflies (Vanessa cardui) have a southward migration. Looking at some of 
the literature, it is apparent some (many?) authors wereonly aware of the 
spring migration.  In 2013 my region in south-central California saw 
anextremely poor barely discernable spring migration north but had a 
majorsoutherly migration in the late summer and fall.  In fact Painted 
Ladybutterflies returning south in my area way outnumber the Monarchs out 
there. The southerly movement is not a brief one, it lasts as long as the 
Monarchmigration...months.  Some Painted Lady's in the southern Sierra 
Nevadaoverwinter in the Jawbone Canyon area and in the southern San Joaquin 
Valley .    Huge numbers in the Fall can be observed. In the Hualapai Mts. 
of Mohave County , AZ they have been so abundant asto be an incredible 
distraction.  I have seen them commonly in the Fallmonths moving south in the 
Mojave Desert and like the Monarch, they follow theSierra Nevada southward 
along the Kern River Corridor and seem to me mostcommon at high elevations that 
have abundant late summer -fall nectar sourcesand water.    I have been 
posting these observations foryears in my posts and have an article into the 
News of the Lepidopterists'Society, though that article focuses more on the 
Monarch. I thought everyonewas aware Painted Ladies have a return migration 
just like the Monarch, but theroute of the Painted Lady movement may differ 
from Monarchs.  When thefall nectar sources to support Monarchs, Queens and 
Painted Ladies, the butterflies disappear, rather abruptly.  Where dothese 
adults go and by what route?  Good question but my thoroughcollecting in the 
southern Sierra and Mojave Desert (the latter mostly in good years of 
rainfall).  Painted Ladies may seemnon-directional at sites where observed 
because they as individuals seem tohold up at suitable locations that provide 
what they need and they aggregate insuch areas (they can be common at a site 
one day, scarce at the same site aweek later, then common the next day).  
Robert Langston published springand fall records of Painted Ladies under 
"Migratory species" foryears.  Believing both migrations in the spring and 
fall were well known Ihave not done so.  At some point records become 
redundant.    Maybe Fall Painted Lady migrations get lessnoted because they 
don't appear to have prominent overwintering sitesassembling in trees but I 
would guess these butterflies largely migrate into Mexico withoverwintering 
areas in the southern portions within the southwestern states. They also are 
not tagged and monitored like Monarchs are.  Maybe theyshould be.    Here 
are other butterfly movements I noticethat maybe most don't: (1) West Coast 
Lady (Vanessa annabella): While these dooverwinter in cities in the San Joaquin 
Valley, these butterflies becomenotably more common in the Kern River Valley, 
the Kern River Corridor and evenabove 7000-9000' at Sherman Pass where these 
are normally scarce from Septemberinto early November then abruptly disappear 
when the fall blooms disappear. Where do all of these West Coast Lady's come 
from? (2) Snout Butterfly (Libytheana carinenta streckeri): Thisyear they have 
been observed and collected in small numbers at Weldon in theKern River Valley 
in the southern Sierra Nevada, apparently moving together insome numbers (last 
week at Weldon I observed six and collected three in 20minutes whereas the rest 
of the day there I only observed one).  I had asimilar experience there the 
week before.  There are maybe twelvedocumented records of Snouts in the Sierra 
Nevada ,but these may be a northwardly emigration into the Sierra for no 
apparentsurvival purpose. (3) Dainty Sulphur (Nathalis iole):  These may be 
migrants or maybe they just disperse fromhigh population areas like the 
Snouts.  Two were at Weldon, but I also sawthree in the White Mts. east of 
Bishop last summer.  One was at nearly12,000' on Sheep Mountain flying with 
Hesperia miriamae. (4) Sleepy Orange (Abaeis nicippe): These appear to move 
into the southern Sierra in the springand fall and some individuals may 
overwinter there. (5) Queens (Danaus gilippus): Breed in the Kern River Valley 
in Spring and summer, probably from spring emigrants since this species 
canprobably not survive winters in that region.  They are common in 
earlyNovember most years then abruptly disappear when the nectar sources 
do. Where do they go?  I don't know but John Emmel told me once that they 
move southward into the deserts elsewhere.      Many of the most popular 
books used by thenewer generation of lepidopterists (watchers and collectors) 
haveidentification as the main focus.  Not very many get books with 
moredetails that help all of us to get into a deeper knowledge of the 
butterflieswe seek to photograph or collect.  Maybe with respect to Painted 
Lady's,the return migration is not nationwide, but more limited to the Pacific 
Coast states and western Arizona ? Is there not a return migrations of Painted 
Ladies in Europe, Asia and Africa ?      While I am a collector, I am also 
very much awatcher.  If weather permits, I may be heading back to the southern 
Sierrathis morning to see what I can find or observe.   Best Wishes, Ken 
Davenport 

kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 

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Subject: Painted Lady southward migration
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 07:27:25 -0800
Everyone:

   Apparently many folks are not aware that Painted Lady Butterflies
(Vanessa cardui) have a southward migration.  Looking at some of the
literature, it is apparent some (many?) authors were only aware of the
spring migration.  In 2013 my region in south-central California saw an
extremely poor barely discernable spring migration north but had a major
southerly migration in the late summer and fall.  In fact Painted Lady
butterflies returning south in my area way outnumber the Monarchs out there.
The southerly movement is not a brief one, it lasts as long as the Monarch
migration...months.  Some Painted Lady's in the southern Sierra Nevada
overwinter in the Jawbone Canyon area and in the southern San Joaquin
Valley.

   Huge numbers in the Fall can be observed.  In the Hualapai Mts. of Mohave
County, AZ they have been so abundant as to be an incredible distraction.  I
have seen them commonly in the Fall months moving south in the Mojave Desert
and like the Monarch, they follow the Sierra Nevada southward along the Kern
River Corridor and seem to me most common at high elevations that have
abundant late summer -fall nectar sources and water.

   I have been posting these observations for years in my posts and have an
article into the News of the Lepidopterists' Society, though that article
focuses more on the Monarch. I thought everyone was aware Painted Ladies
have a return migration just like the Monarch, but the route of the Painted
Lady movement may differ from Monarchs.  When the fall nectar sources to
support Monarchs, Queens and Painted Ladies, the butterflies disappear,
rather abruptly.  Where do these adults go and by what route?  Good question
but my thorough collecting in the southern Sierra and Mojave Desert (the
latter mostly in good years of rainfall).  Painted Ladies may seem
non-directional at sites where observed because they as individuals seem to
hold up at suitable locations that provide what they need and they aggregate
in such areas (they can be common at a site one day, scarce at the same site
a week later, then common the next day).  Robert Langston published spring
and fall records of Painted Ladies under "Migratory species" for years.
Believing both migrations in the spring and fall were well known I have not
done so.  At some point records become redundant.

   Maybe Fall Painted Lady migrations get less noted because they don't
appear to have prominent overwintering sites assembling in trees but I would
guess these butterflies largely migrate into Mexico with overwintering areas
in the southern portions within the southwestern states.  They also are not
tagged and monitored like Monarchs are.  Maybe they should be.

   Here are other butterfly movements I notice that maybe most don't:

(1) West Coast Lady (Vanessa annabella): While these do overwinter in cities
in the San Joaquin Valley, these butterflies become notably more common in
the Kern River Valley, the Kern River Corridor and even above 7000-9000' at
Sherman Pass where these are normally scarce from September into early
November then abruptly disappear when the fall blooms disappear.  Where do
all of these West Coast Lady's come from?

(2) Snout Butterfly (Libytheana carinenta streckeri): This year they have
been observed and collected in small numbers at Weldon in the Kern River
Valley in the southern Sierra Nevada, apparently moving together in some
numbers (last week at Weldon I observed six and collected three in 20
minutes whereas the rest of the day there I only observed one).  I had a
similar experience there the week before.  There are maybe twelve documented
records of Snouts in the Sierra Nevada, but these may be a northwardly
emigration into the Sierra for no apparent survival purpose.

(3) Dainty Sulphur (Nathalis iole):  These may be migrants or maybe they
just disperse from high population areas like the Snouts.  Two were at
Weldon, but I also saw three in the White Mts. east of Bishop last summer.
One was at nearly 12,000' on Sheep Mountain flying with Hesperia miriamae.

(4) Sleepy Orange (Abaeis nicippe): These appear to move into the southern
Sierra in the spring and fall and some individuals may overwinter there.

(5) Queens (Danaus gilippus): Breed in the Kern River Valley in Spring and
summer, probably from spring emigrants since this species can probably not
survive winters in that region.  They are common in early November most
years then abruptly disappear when the nectar sources do.  Where do they go?
I don't know but John Emmel told me once that they move southward into the
deserts elsewhere.

 

   Many of the most popular books used by the newer generation of
lepidopterists (watchers and collectors) have identification as the main
focus.  Not very many get books with more details that help all of us to get
into a deeper knowledge of the butterflies we seek to photograph or collect.
Maybe with respect to Painted Lady's, the return migration is not
nationwide, but more limited to the Pacific Coast states and western
Arizona?  Is there not a return migrations of Painted Ladies in Europe, Asia
and Africa?

 

   While I am a collector, I am also very much a watcher.  If weather
permits, I may be heading back to the southern Sierra this morning to see
what I can find or observe.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



 
Subject: Re: Painted lady migration south
From: "Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 06:23:53 -0800
Ken wrote:

> Paul, you've been so busy chasing Monarchs you failed
> to see the Painted Lady's?  

I see them all over central California in October-Nov,
but I don't see them regularly flying south. Maybe they
are high altitude flyers and soarers in the fall, hence
are largely out of sight - I just don't know.
These fall Painted Ladies seem to be obsessed
with nectaring.  They are mostly in young, brightly colored
condition and often rather large in size.  

Early spring Painted Ladies in central California are
generally smaller and more faded and seem obsessed with
migrating rapidly north, even against brisk northerly
winds.

In the 1990's Derham Guiliani and I witnessed Painted 
Ladies meandering around in the Saline Valley northwest 
of Death Valley in Dec & January in the same general
locations where monarchs overwintered (e.g. Hunter Canyon).

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.


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Subject: RE: Painted lady migration south
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 21:21:36 -0800
Paul:

   Robert Langston reported the southern Painted Lady migration it regularly
on a yearly basis when he was the Season Summary Coordinator.  And I have
noticed it every year for over 50 years.  I wrote an article in the NEWS
several years ago re: an overwintering site for them in Kern County and have
one currently in press, though the main topic is the Monarch.

   Paul, you've been so busy chasing Monarchs you failed to see the Painted
Lady's?  You better widen out before they try to list them too.

   I have had several people tell me Painted Lady's are not in North
America...they are migratory in Europe, Asia and Africa only.

   Maybe people haven't noted the migrations because they are too busy read
leps serves posts, or writing them!

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



Subject: Re: [SoWestLep] Painted lady migration south

 

  

Kenneth Davenport wrote:

> The migrations north in the spring and south in the fall are
> well known and documented. 

Ken, who has documented a southerly Painted Lady migration
in the western USA in the fall? So far none of the southern California
folks who have posted in this thread have said they have seen
Painted Ladies migrating south. 

For the past 3 consecutive years, Painted Ladies have been
common in my Sierra Nevada mountain foothill yard east
of Sacramento in Sept-Nov. nectaring on buddleia bush 
flowers, but I have not noticed any directionality to their flight.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.


Subject: Re: Painted lady migration south
From: "Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:45:56 -0800
Very interesting article.

This makes sense if they migrate north in the spring and south in the fall.
But looks like our Painted Ladies moves northward twice a year when there is 
precipitation in the south. I wonder if they also return south twice a year? I 
bet ours behave different from European/African ones. It would be interesting 
topic to research! 


Koji

> 2014/11/11 10:09、zapjammer AT comcast.net [SoWestLep] 
 のメール: 

> 
> 
> All,
> 
> Re: Painted Lady migration
> 
> Radar helps solve painted lady migration mystery
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/19991550 
> 
> Pelham
> 
> 
Subject: Re: Painted lady migration south
From: "Paul Cherubini monarch AT saber.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:20:47 -0800
Kenneth Davenport wrote:

> The migrations north in the spring and south in the fall are
> well known and documented.  

Ken, who has documented a southerly Painted Lady migration
in the western USA in the fall?  So far none of the southern California
folks who have posted in this thread have said they have seen
Painted Ladies migrating south.  

For the past 3 consecutive years, Painted Ladies have been
common in my Sierra Nevada mountain foothill yard east
of Sacramento in Sept-Nov. nectaring on buddleia bush 
flowers, but I have not noticed any directionality to their flight.

Paul Cherubini
El Dorado, Calif.




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Subject: Painted lady migration south
From: "zapjammer AT comcast.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 18:09:43 +0000 (UTC)
All, 

Re: Painted Lady migration 

Radar helps solve painted lady migration mystery 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/19991550 

Pelham 
Subject: RE: Painted lady migration south
From: "'Norbert Kondla' nkondla AT telus.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:47:55 -0700
It is possible. Even with a small group of insects like butterflies, the
literature is vast. A keyword search of 'Vanessa cardui migration' on Google
Scholar turned up 1500 hits ---- 

 

Norbert Kondla

Rimbey, Alberta

 

From: SoWestLep AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:SoWestLep AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Carlson rccarl AT pacbell.net [SoWestLep]
Sent: November-11-14 6:38 AM
To: sowestlep
Subject: [SoWestLep] Painted lady migration south

 

  

Fascinating article re southward migration. Has anyone demonstrated a full
migration cycle i.e. some southward migrants lay eggs that result in return
north the next season?

Richard Carlson
Full time birder,biker, Rotarian
Part-time Economist
Tucson, AZ
Lake Tahoe, CA
Kirkland, WA
Sent from my iPad


Subject: RE: Painted lady migration south
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 08:52:16 -0800
Richard:

   I personally have no doubt many individuals live to go both ways.  The
migrations north in the spring and south in the fall are well known and
documented.  But I know of no one "tagging" Painted Lady's to recover and
prove the point.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



Subject: [SoWestLep] Painted lady migration south

 

  

Fascinating article re southward migration. Has anyone demonstrated a full
migration cycle i.e. some southward migrants lay eggs that result in return
north the next season?

Richard Carlson
Full time birder,biker, Rotarian
Part-time Economist
Tucson, AZ
Lake Tahoe, CA
Kirkland, WA
Sent from my iPad


Subject: Painted lady migration south
From: "Richard Carlson rccarl AT pacbell.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 05:38:25 -0800
Fascinating article re southward migration. Has anyone demonstrated a full 
migration cycle i.e. some southward migrants lay eggs that result in return 
north the next season? 


Richard Carlson
Full time birder,biker, Rotarian
Part-time Economist
Tucson, AZ
Lake Tahoe, CA
Kirkland, WA
Sent from my iPad

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Subject: Re: Painted Lady migration
From: "Pete Spino petespino8 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 17:58:35 -0800
I cannot take a walk in my neighborhood without counting them now.
They are very conspicuous. This weekend I counted 14 on Saturday
and 9 on Sunday. The smaller numbers on Sunday were on account
of those ladies who attended church.

Pete Spino
 
    
 It’s been very
 noticeable in Santa Barbara last week with a lot arriving. I
 am out checking for migrant butterflies more than usual
 looking for something good but no luck so far. 
    
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Subject: Painted Lady migration
From: "'Lethaby, Nick' nlethaby AT ti.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:15:08 +0000
It's been very noticeable in Santa Barbara last week with a lot arriving. I am 
out checking for migrant butterflies more than usual looking for something good 
but no luck so far. 


Nick Lethaby
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mobile: +1 805 284 6200
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Subject: RE: Painted Lady - return migration
From: "'Norbert Kondla' nkondla AT telus.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:14:18 -0700
I don't know what they do in California but a return migration has been
documented in western Canada. See:

Myres, MT. 1985. A southward return migration of painted lady butterflies,
Vanessa cardui, over southern Alberta in the fall of 1983 and
biometeorological aspects of their outbreaks into North America and Europe.
Canadian Field-Naturalist 99:147-155.

This is available for free download from the Biodiversity Heritage Library
website

 

Norbert Kondla

Rimbey, Alberta

 

From: SoWestLep AT yahoogroups.com [mailto:SoWestLep AT yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of 'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]
Sent: November-10-14 12:40 AM
To: 'Bob Allen'; 'ML-SoWestLeps'
Subject: RE: [SoWestLep] Painted Lady

 

  

Bob:

   I think at least a few Painted Lady's do make return trips, at least some
of those that overwinter in Kern County.  And what about the West Coast Lady
movements into the Sierra?, also a yearly event in the Fall.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 




Subject: Re: [SoWestLep] Painted Lady

 

  

Here in southern Orange County, CA, I've noticed a few individuals of
Vanessa cardui flying northwest-ward, but nothing I'd call a substantial
emigration.

 

("Migration" implies that they make a return trip, which Vanessa cardui does
not do).


-Bob Allen

bugbob AT mac.com

Author, Wildflowers of Orange County and the Santa Ana Mountains

 

 

 

On Nov 9, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp
[SoWestLep]  wrote:

 

Hi All,

I've been noticing Painted Lady migration in San Diego and Orange counties.
Maybe it's been discussed already. Has anybody been noticing it?

Koji
San Diego


  _____  


Posted by: Kojiro Shiraiwa  


  _____  


 


Subject: RE: Painted Lady
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 23:39:56 -0800
Bob:

   I think at least a few Painted Lady's do make return trips, at least some
of those that overwinter in Kern County.  And what about the West Coast Lady
movements into the Sierra?, also a yearly event in the Fall.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



Subject: Re: [SoWestLep] Painted Lady

 

  

Here in southern Orange County, CA, I've noticed a few individuals of
Vanessa cardui flying northwest-ward, but nothing I'd call a substantial
emigration.

 

("Migration" implies that they make a return trip, which Vanessa cardui does
not do).


-Bob Allen

bugbob AT mac.com

Author, Wildflowers of Orange County and the Santa Ana Mountains

 

 

 

On Nov 9, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp
[SoWestLep]  wrote:

 

Hi All,

I've been noticing Painted Lady migration in San Diego and Orange counties.
Maybe it's been discussed already. Has anybody been noticing it?

Koji
San Diego


  _____  


Posted by: Kojiro Shiraiwa  


  _____  


 


Subject: RE: Painted Lady
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 23:29:18 -0800
Koji:

   Yes, in Kern and Tulare Counties for the past 2 1/2 months.  But most
notable in the past month.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



To: ML-SoWestLeps
Subject: [SoWestLep] Painted Lady

 

  

Hi All,

I've been noticing Painted Lady migration in San Diego and Orange counties.
Maybe it's been discussed already. Has anybody been noticing it?

Koji
San Diego


Subject: SE AZ: Butterflies of Tohono Chul Park
From: "'John Saba' sabaj AT theriver.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 23:20:21 -0700
The local paper today had a nice, full-page spread, with lots of photos, of the 
Butterflies of Tohono Chul Park. A docent there, Sue Feyrer, has written a 
small book featuring 45 species that can be seen in the park. There are photos 
of the adults and also some of the caterpillars, and there is discussion of 
host plants. Jim Brock also gets some press. 


I imagine the park will see an uptick in the number of folks visiting this 
week. 


---
John Saba
Tucson, AZ
Nature Study Is a Grand Adventure!
Subject: Re: Painted Lady
From: "Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 00:45:13 -0500
Thank you all. 
It is very unusual time to see them migrating indeed. 

Koji
San Diego



2014/11/09 15:05、Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp [SoWestLep] 
 のメッセージ: 


> Hi All,
> 
> I've been noticing Painted Lady migration in San Diego and Orange counties. 
Maybe it's been discussed already. Has anybody been noticing it? 

> 
> Koji
> San Diego
> 
> 
Subject: Re: Painted Lady
From: "Elizabeth Long elizabeth.c.long AT gmail.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 17:32:20 -0800
I'm seeing lots of them in the Santa Monica Mountains, and in several areas
around the urban parts of LA




On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Bob Allen bugbob AT mac.com [SoWestLep] <
SoWestLep-noreply AT yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Here in southern Orange County, CA, I’ve noticed a few individuals of
> Vanessa cardui flying northwest-ward, but nothing I’d call a substantial
> emigration.
>
> (“Migration" implies that they make a return trip, which Vanessa cardui
> does not do).
>
> -Bob Allen
> bugbob AT mac.com
> Author, Wildflowers of Orange County and the Santa Ana Mountains
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp
> [SoWestLep]  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've been noticing Painted Lady migration in San Diego and Orange
> counties. Maybe it's been discussed already. Has anybody been noticing it?
>
> Koji
> San Diego
>
> ------------------------------
> Posted by: Kojiro Shiraiwa 
> ------------------------------
>
>
>  
>
Subject: Re: Painted Lady
From: "Bob Allen bugbob AT mac.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2014 14:45:05 -0800
Here in southern Orange County, CA, I’ve noticed a few individuals of Vanessa 
cardui flying northwest-ward, but nothing I’d call a substantial emigration. 


(“Migration" implies that they make a return trip, which Vanessa cardui does 
not do). 


-Bob Allen
bugbob AT mac.com
Author, Wildflowers of Orange County and the Santa Ana Mountains




> On Nov 9, 2014, at 12:05 PM, Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp 
[SoWestLep]  wrote: 

> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I've been noticing Painted Lady migration in San Diego and Orange counties. 
Maybe it's been discussed already. Has anybody been noticing it? 

> 
> Koji
> San Diego
> 
> 
> 
> Posted by: Kojiro Shiraiwa > 

Subject: Re: Painted Lady
From: "Art Douglas pop_art AT sbcglobal.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 12:24:45 -0800
Yes. For the past two weeks I've seen one or more in my garden most every day 
in West Los Angeles. I don't recall seeing them here this late in the season 
before. 


Art Douglas
Subject: Painted Lady
From: "Kojiro Shiraiwa whiterock AT bekkoame.ne.jp [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 12:05:16 -0800
Hi All,

I've been noticing Painted Lady migration in San Diego and Orange counties. 
Maybe it's been discussed already. Has anybody been noticing it? 


Koji
San Diego




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Subject: Nicippe in Ventura
From: "Tommoth AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 08 Nov 2014 13:55:32 -0800
Today for the first time since 1965 I saw a Nicippe Yellow (or Sleepy Orange) 
flying around the yard investigating the senna plants. Unfortunately it was a 
male, so no eggs, but I'm hopeful that females will find it sooner or later. 
They used to be a common butterfly in Ventura city, but few people plant senna 
anymore. 

 

 However, senna sulfurs have been abundant for over a year and a half. There 
would probably be more, but I suspect Argentine ants, which swarm over the 
senna plants, are causing the butterflies high mortality. 

 

 Tom Dimock
 Ventura, CA
 

Subject: Giant Swallowtail - Santa Barbara, CA
From: "icbflys AT cox.net [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 08 Nov 2014 13:38:06 -0800
Wow...I just had a Giant Swallowtail in my yard here in Santa Barbara near the 
Mission. I haven't been on the group in a long while, so not sure if this 
sighting is all that unusual by now. It was very fresh and very actively 
nectaring on lantana. It was about 1:20 this afternoon. I got a couple of 
blurry shots, but it is identifiable in at least one. And I am experienced 
enough to make the ID. 


Mary Shepherd
Santa Barbara, CA
 

Subject: SEAZ: Zilpa Longtail in Harshaw rabbitbrush
From: "mattbrownbirds AT gmail.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 07 Nov 2014 17:53:50 -0800
Hi all-
Today while up in the Harshaw Creek rabbitbrush patch (at the intersection of 
Harshaw Creek Road and San Rafael Valley Road) in the Patagonia Mountains with 
Al Schmeirer, I found a ZILPA LONGTAIL, Chioides zilpa, right near the road. Al 
& I were able to follow/lose/refind it a couple of times before we lost it for 
good around 12:30. Not as big as the one I saw 10 days ago in the Las Cienegas 
NCA, this one was about the same size (but longer-tailed) than the numerous 
Dorantes around. I got a record shot, and one of Al's photos came out pretty 
good. We're hoping this may be a late date for the species by a week or so. 


We also found what were probably 2 different BARRED YELLOWS, Eurema daira, and 
(in no particular order) lots each of Painted Ladies, Mexican Yellows, Tailed 
Oranges, both Buckeyes, all 4 small blues, Snouts, Queens, Orange Sulphurs, 
Southern Dogfaces, Dainty Sulphurs, Leda Ministreaks, Checkered-Skippers, 
Variegated Fritillaries, Texan Crescents, and Dorantes Longtails, plus a couple 
Pahaskas Skippers and Mournful Duskywings, and probably a few others I'm 
forgetting. 


It looks like the rabbitbrush will be attractive for a few more days at least, 
so maybe there will continue to be lots and lots of butterflies around here for 
a little longer. 


Matt Brown
520-604-6300
The Patagonia Birding & Butterfly Co.
mattbrownbirdsATgmail.com
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Subject: NE Tucson: Mallow Scrub-hairstreak
From: "mary klinkel munchita AT msn.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 19:04:45 +0000
New yard butterfly #59 seen today ovipositing on pink-flowered mallow!! Extra 
exciting as I am planning to sell the house, and the yard was nearly razed 2 
days ago (in order to appeal to “normal” potential buyers). 



Mary Klinkel, Tucson AZ




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Subject: Snouts return to the Sierra for 20 minutes.
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 18:39:39 -0800
Everyone: 

   November 4th may have been my last collecting day of 2014.  I wanted to
follow up last weeks productive spot at Weldon, Kern County, CA. last
October 28th when Snouts made a movement into the Sierra Nevada in the Kern
River Valley.  Again survey numbers can change markedly in just a few days
and many migrations or movements were in progress.  I used to put up my net
after the first week of October.  Now I wait till after the first week of
November.  We had a good rain in the region in the past week, temperatures
are going down markedly and the blooming rabbitbrush at Weldon will go to
seed in the next few days.  But today may have been my best day ever for
this late in the year in the Sierra Nevada.  It was a high species count for
November,  23 and some were historical.  The annotated list:

 

Checkered Skipper complex (Pyrgus communis/albescens): 8-10

Large or Northern White Skipper (Heliopetes ericetorum)-2

Sandhill Skipper (Polites sabuleti sabuleti): 40

Field Skipper or Sachem (Atalopedes campestris campestris)-8

Checkered White (Pontia protodice): 20+

Cabbage White (Pieris rapae)-3

Orange Sulphur (Colias eurytheme): 10-15

Sleepy Orange (Albaeis nicippe): only one winter form seen on Paul's Place
(Rd.) near Hwy. 178.  None at the usual hangout off Kelso Valley Rd. one
block off Hwy. 178.

Dainty Sulphur (Nathalis iole): 2 collected off Kelso Valley Rd. in the
ravine with rabbitbrush

Purplish Copper (Lycaena helloides): 60+  Also several seen on the Audubon
Preserve.

Great Purple Hairstreak (Atlides halesus corcorani)-2

 

MALLOW SCRUB HAIRSTREAK (Strymon istapa clenchi) collected one in very good
condition, only the 3rd Kern County record, all from the Weldon area.  This
one was on rabbitbrush about 100 yards off Hwy 178 off Kelso Valley Rd.

 

Pygmy Blue (Brephidium exilis): 30+

Acmon Blue (Plebejus acmon)-2

 

WESTERN SNOUT BUTTERFLY (Libytheana carinenta streckeri): One possible Snout
was seen in the AM at the same location where I saw several and collected 3
individuals last October 28th.  I left the location at about 12:20 PM to
spend some survey time in the nearby Audubon Preserve where I have
collecting privileges and spent most of my time there talking to a turtle
scientist.  I decided to return to the Weldon spot at 1:45 PM to find a
group of Snouts at the Kelso Valley Rd. site.  Within 20 minutes I saw about
six individuals and was able to collect three of them.  After that, I would
see no more.  I suspect this species may move together in small groups.
Migrating (or emigrating) north into the Sierra?  Looks like it.  These
butterflies sure like to alight on dead branches and several did not settle
down long enough for a positive ID.

 

Mylitta Crescent (Phyciodes mylitta mylitta): 16 including the Audubon
Preserve.

 

PAINTED LADY (Vanessa cardui): Much higher numbers than last week, 100+

 

WEST COAST LADY (Vanessa annabella): 100+  Where is the source of all these
butterflies?, not a common species here in the southern Sierra until late
September or October.

 

American Painted Lady (Vanessa virginiensis)-1

Red Admiral (Vanessa atalanta rubria)-1 on the Audubon Preserve.

Buckeye (Junonia coenia grisea)-2

 

MONARCH (Danaus plexippus): 45 to 50

Queen (Danaus gilippus thersippus): 14, all in very good condition.

 

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
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Subject: RE: RE: [SoWestLep] More observations on migrants and other species:
From: "David Ferguson manzano57 AT msn.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:12:36 -0600
Saw Quite a few of them (Eurema nicippe) along the highway down to the desert 
from Baldwin Lake on October 15 (Especially at Cactus Flat); all of them very 
orange and rather dull of pattern below. Not sure if these are in any way 
significant? I think I netted one or two. There was something of a Vanessa 
swarm on the Rabbitbrush there too - three species, all the orange ones. And 
saw a few Queens ( I think the subject of Queens in CA came up a few days 
back), but didn't chace any of them down. There were Euphilotes (not I.D.'d to 
species, but I caught a couple) and Plebejus acmon (or lupuni?), Pontia 
protodice, Colias eurytheme, Nathalis iole, and Apodemia mormo (black dorsal 
hind wings, both fresh and worn). Pretty much everything was nectaring, not 
obviously moving an any particular direction. Caught a few Skippers, but 
haven't I.D.'d them yet. There were lots of Heliopetes ericetorum though. 

 
Dave Ferguson
 
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From: DesertLeps-noreply AT yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:02:48 -0700
Subject: [DesertLeps] RE: [SoWestLep] More observations on migrants and other 
species: 















 

 



  


    
      
      
      







Jim:


   I agree, Sleepy Oranges have
been seen in the Sierra in March as things warm up, one at the Kern/Tulare
County line at Riverkern, several years ago.  I also suspect adult nectar
sources may draw them, especially in dry years where nothing much is likely
blooming in the deserts.  The Weldon nicippe seem to be evenly divided
between males and females.

 



Best Wishes, Ken Davenport

kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 





Subject: Re: [SoWestLep]
More observations on migrants and other species:



 

  In
a message dated 10/30/2014 12:09:14 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,
SoWestLep-noreply AT yahoogroups.com writes:









Sleepy Orange
(Abaeis nicippe).  4 or 5 more sightings, one more capture of the winter
form at Weldon.  One definite sighting at Goldledge Camp along the Kern
River in Tulare
 County,
a late date extension for that county.  At Weldon I have to wonder if the
Sleepy Orange is using another host other than Cassia which I have not seen
there.





Ken,





 





I think (and the key word is think) that
they are seeking the best places to overwinter meaning the warmest nooks and
crannies. As long as there are edible leaves on your native Senna they'll breed
but at this point your Kern County dudes might be finished in that
regard. Nicippe is a great wanderer and finding them miles
from their host is not unusual. My three cents - and I wish you plenty of
rain from this storm.





 





Jim B















    
     

    
    






   		 	   		  
Subject: RE: More observations on migrants and other species:
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 14:02:48 -0700
Jim:

   I agree, Sleepy Oranges have been seen in the Sierra in March as things
warm up, one at the Kern/Tulare County line at Riverkern, several years ago.
I also suspect adult nectar sources may draw them, especially in dry years
where nothing much is likely blooming in the deserts.  The Weldon nicippe
seem to be evenly divided between males and females.

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net 



Subject: Re: [SoWestLep] More observations on migrants and other species:

 

  In a message dated 10/30/2014 12:09:14 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,
SoWestLep-noreply AT yahoogroups.com writes:

Sleepy Orange (Abaeis nicippe).  4 or 5 more sightings, one more capture of
the winter form at Weldon.  One definite sighting at Goldledge Camp along
the Kern River in Tulare County, a late date extension for that county.  At
Weldon I have to wonder if the Sleepy Orange is using another host other
than Cassia which I have not seen there.

Ken,

 

I think (and the key word is think) that they are seeking the best places to
overwinter meaning the warmest nooks and crannies. As long as there are
edible leaves on your native Senna they'll breed but at this point your Kern
County dudes might be finished in that regard. Nicippe is a great wanderer
and finding them miles from their host is not unusual. My three cents - and
I wish you plenty of rain from this storm.

 

Jim B


Subject: Re: More observations on migrants and other species:
From: "JimJoanJoy AT aol.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:47:40 -0400

In a message dated 10/30/2014 12:09:14 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,  
SoWestLep-noreply AT yahoogroups.com writes:

Sleepy  Sleepy (Abaeis nicippe).  4 or 5 more sightings,  one more capture 
of the winter form at Weldon.  One definite sighting at  Goldledge Camp 
along the Kern River in  One d   , a late date extension for that county.  At  
Weldon I have to wonder if the Sleepy Orange is using another host other than 
 Cassia which I have not seen there.
Ken,
 
I think (and the key word is think) that they are seeking the best places  
to overwinter meaning the warmest nooks and crannies. As long as there are  
edible leaves on your native Senna they'll breed but at this point your Kern 
 County dudes might be finished in that regard. Nicippe is a  great 
wanderer and finding them miles from their host is not unusual. My three cents 
- 

and I wish you plenty of rain from this storm.
 
Jim B
Subject: More observations on migrants and other species:
From: "'Kenneth Davenport' kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com [SoWestLep]" <SoWestLep-noreply@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:08:59 -0700
   On Wednesday, October 29th, I followed up the day at Weldon the day
before to see what was flying along the upper Kern River north Of Riverkern
(Kern County) in Tulare County but late in the collecting day (1:50 PM-3:15
PM would make a stop at Weldon.  Comments on migrants or emigrants first:

 

Sleepy Orange (Abaeis nicippe).  4 or 5 more sightings, one more capture of
the winter form at Weldon.  One definite sighting at Goldledge Camp along
the Kern River in Tulare County, a late date extension for that county.  At
Weldon I have to wonder if the Sleepy Orange is using another host other
than Cassia which I have not seen there.

 

Snout (Libytheana carinenta streckeri)  One possible sighting at Weldon, but
none seen close enough for a postive ID.  It is possible all the Snouts at
Weldon Tuesday were traveling as a "wave" or group that comes in numbers for
awhile then leaves after a short time.  I have seen this in other migrants
as with Polygonus leo in the Kern County Desert and Kricogonia lyside at
Bear Creek (Cochise Co) and Box Canyon, Pima County, Arizona.  It is also
possible that the three Snouts I caught two days ago had stopped their
travels for a time because they liked that spot.

 

Monarchs (Danaus plexippus): Many individuals at Weldon Tuesday were there
for multiple hours.  Most or all of those individuals were no longer there
by the time I arrived Wednesday.  Numbers of Monarch were more common in the
AM when there was no wind.  Numbers tend to get lower when winds pick up.

   In the upper Kern River Corridor yesterday (Oct. 29th) Monarchs were very
abundant at the Sequoia Headquarters Camp where some kind of fall composite
was in full bloom.  They were also common at Goldledge Camp but few and far
between at Limestone and Calkin's Flat where so common about 2 weeks ago.

   What I have seen in surveys of both Monarchs and other species this fall
how numbers can change quickly based on temperature, weather factors and
blooming vegetation available. What are the true baseline numbers?  In a
butterfly like Monarchs I doubt there is one.  Maybe at overwintering sites
BUT, as some of us know they vary from year to year as to where they may
overwinter, favored sites and probably move around some on warmer days. Time
of day see big numbers differences at any given site along migration routes.
Solar exposure, temperatures, winds, availability of water and nectar
sources are among the apparent factors.

 

Queens (Danaus gilippus thersippus): None seen along the upper Kern in
Tulare County yesterday.  Three seen at Weldon in an hour and a half
yesterday, fewer than seen the day before.  These generally seem more common
at the site in AM's.

 

Painted Lady (Vanessa cardui): Also most common same places where Monarchs
were seen along the upper Kern River in Tulare County: Sequoia Headquarter
and Goldledge Camp.  Also notably less common at Weldon.  Maybe this species
moves in "waves" a lot.

 

Other species observations October 29th:  All locations except Weldon are in
Tulare County, CA:

Pyrgus communis/albescens: 1 at Calkin's Flat, Tulare County

Heliopetes ericetorum: common several sites along the upper Kern River, seen
at Weldon.

Hesperia juba: 1 at Calkin's Flat

Sandhill Skipper (Polites sabuleti sabuleti): common at Weldon

Checkered White (Pontia protodice): 5 all day, common at Weldon the day
before.  Winds discourage flight?

Orange Sulphur (Colias eurythere): Not seen until afternoon.  2 at
Goldledge, some at Weldon

Purplish Copper (Lycaena helloides): common at Weldon, but less common in
the breexy weather.

Great Purple Hairstreak (Atlides halesus): fresh female at Weldon.

Pygmy Blue (Brephidium exilis): 20 + at Weldon

Acmon Blue (Plebejus acmon): a couple along the upper Kern River.

Mylitta Crescent (Phyciodes mylitta mylitta): Fresh emergence along upper
Kern and at Weldon.  More common at Weldon than the day before.

West Coast Lady (Vanessa annabella) Several along the Kern River and at
Weldon

Buckeye (Junonia coenia): A few seen in both counties.

Lorquin's Admiral (Limenitis lorquini lorquini): 1 at Sequoia Headquarters.

California Sister (Adelpha californica): 2 at Goldledge, 1 at Goldledge and
2 along Sherman Pass Rd. to 4900'

 

Best Wishes, Ken Davenport
kdavenport93306 AT yahoo.com or flutterflies93306 AT att.net